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Mass Effect: Save our characters,
Save our Game petition.

In response to the recent comments
by Bioware’s Casey Hudson and Ray Muzyka as well as other Bioware staff members,
we the fans of the Mass Effect trilogy, would like to submit a formal petition
to voice our concerns in regards to the continuing story of our beloved
characters in hopes that the fans and artists can mutually cooperate in
continuing to build a better ME experience.

First and foremost we would like to thank all of the
artists and staff members that have worked for years in building this wonderful
experience. Though many of us have voiced our dissatisfaction with various
features and choices in the game, we ask that you please do not misunderstand, not
one of us
doubts the intense amount of labor and love it took to get the game to where
it is today.
All that hard work can be reflected not only in the end
product itself, but also in its loyal and passionate fan base.

We’ve fallen in love with
its universe, mythologies, cultures, and ultimately with its characters. Many
of us have become so emotionally invested in this world that we have come to
genuinely care for these characters, especially our squad mates. This is an
amazing achievement on behalf of the writers, concept artists, and animators.
However, it is because of this that it came to us as such a shock and
disappointment the way some character’s stories were treated in ME3. Bioware
and its artists have all the right to protect their artistic integrity, however
some decisions such as the ones of not allowing Shepard to continue his or her relationship
with a previous ME2 character go against what was promised to the players. It felt
like a message telling the fans,” you should have picked this instead of this.”

We are of course speaking
of Thane Krios and Jacob Taylor. Not only does Shepard have no choice in the
matter of their relationship, their change in attitude go against what the
characters have developed alongside her through the events of ME2. It may not
seem important to a lot of people since they wouldn’t have had the same
experience, but in an otherwise excellent game these small but important details
become incredibly jarring and jeopardize the experience as a whole.

In the case of Thane Krios,
please let us have a choice to save him.

Trust us it was incredibly
emotional when he died, but not so much because he died protecting the council,
but rather how his death was treated as a whole. From the moment you meet Thane
whatever will to live he had developed because of Shepard, in six months it is
all but gone. Despite clear precursors to possible cures, the writers opted to
ignore these entirely and decided to completely take any choice away from the
player. After two years of hoping, players had to resign to his inevitable fate.
As if that wasn’t enough during the entire ordeal Shepard is surprisingly indifferent
about their relationship or with his death. When Thane finally dies in the one
place he wished not to die, a hospital bed, a prayer is said and our hope of
showing him a desert dies with him. Only a few words are exchanged, differing
slightly whether he was a love interest or not. And then the last straw happens
when Shepard seeks the comfort of her friends, of whom not one mentions Thane
or his sacrifice. The only one to mention him would be his killer later on in
the game. Thane doesn’t even get a codex entry. This can be considered pretty
dismal treatment for 2010’s most popular character, ME2 poster boy, and a
favorite of the female fan base. If he were brought back as a squad mate, even
male players would welcome him, he is one of the most compelling and well-made
characters in modern games.

As for Jacob Taylor, his
decision to cheat on Shepard during their six month time apart is out of
character to say the least. For someone that developed a trauma by his father
leaving him, he essentially abandoned Shepard just as well. This seemed very
out of the blue and a huge surprise to his female fans.

It is also vexing how the
two characters that were given this treatment were for the female players,
meanwhile there are six love interests available to male players. We’re all
about variety, and we wouldn’t take one word, sentence, or choice away from these
characters because we know these truly help make the game a much better
experience.  However we hope that Bioware
doesn’t forget about its female fan base, which is large and just as
passionate, and let us save these characters, because they mean a lot to us. We
understand it would be difficult, but then again, “most things worth keeping
are.”
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RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

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thane has always been a terminally ill assassin coming to terms with his imminent death,
having him somehow magically be cured is silly and against his character.

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clonedoriginzero wrote...

thane has always been a terminally ill assassin coming to terms with his imminent death,
having him somehow magically be cured is silly and against his character.


Very true, if it were magically done yes.
As I mentioned there were options, he was a candidate for a lung transplant, there was also info on some lung medigel. 
Also I think its a lot more "magical" to revive someone who got blown to bits and even went through a planets atmosphere...atmosphere can even reduce asteroids to tiny rocks. 
Spolier on the genophage:
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The cure was pretty much just pulled out of Mordin's ass.

Also regarding him coming to terms on it, if you didn't romance Thane then it would make perfect sense.
Those of us that went the paramour route our last scene says otherwise.
He comes to her cabin, and tells Shep how he's actually scared  to die.

Modifié par Nube9, 19 mars 2012 - 11:52 .


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Can someone explain what was so "poor" about the treatment of Thane compare to the other ME2 cast? We've known he was going to die since the first conversation we had with him, Why are people so pissed and surprise that it happened?

If anyone should be complaining it should be all four of Jacob's fans.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 19 mars 2012 - 11:54 .


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I find it kind of funny that they just completely forgot about Thane in this game. More lack of effort from Bioware.

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Honestly, I can't support the people that want Bioware to "take back" Thane's death. It was a beautiful, awesome, and perfect way for him to go out. He died saving the life of the Salarian Councilor and protecting his friends. He, a weak and terminally ill former assassin, held his ground and fought back against a healthy and skilled human assassin, gaining the upper hand at several instances. Though he sacrificed himself, he caused Cerberus to fail, humbling that xenophobe Kai Leng in the process. He acknowledged this and took complete confidence in it. He died a redeemed man and even said a prayer for his friend and ally Commander Shepard. He died with his boots on and even had an opportunity to "say goodbye."

As to the people that romanced him, I'm sorry, but you should've realized that romancing a man that literally had months to live was a heavy risk... not that I'm discouraging the romance, I'm just saying... heavy risk...

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The last moment with Thane and Kolyat was probably the most emotional moment for me in ME3 (besides the ending of course). But ever since ME2 i knew it would be a rough ending for Thane in ME3.

Got a little disappointed after leaving the hospital as i thought Kolyat would join your squad in for vendetta or something :(

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I would love Thane-related DLC but any DLC the Devs make should be something that incorporates all the sidelined ME2 LIs (Thane included). Everyone should be able to get closure, regardless of who they romanced. This is the last game of the trilogy, after all.

I like your suggestions for Thane. I always supported a choice regarding whether he lives or dies. I still do. The fact that we only get one conversation with him before his death was horrible. Especially since Shepard visits the hospital several times for talks with the VS. You pass him by and there are no new dialogue options, even if he's romanced! You can't even tell him you're there to see him because you got his message. Instead, it's always "I'm here for the VS..."

Shepard's lack of emotion when he died was horrible and the scene barely differed if he was romanced. Shepard didn't even get the chance to tell him she loves him. D: It just breaks my heart. It was handled horribly and the fact that they "forgot" to include any kind of aftermath is insulting. I really hope they fix it.

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Rogue Unit wrote...

Can someone explain what was so "poor" about the treatment of Thane compare to the other ME2 cast? We've known he was going to die since the first conversation we had with him, Why are people so pissed and surprise that it happened?

If anyone should be complaining it should be all four of Jacob's fans.


 I didn't romance him, but I've heard it's pretty bad.
Yea you're right, I also mentioned this on my post, the general treatment of most of the cast was just negligent.
Honestly, Bioware should just fix all of them from what I hear.

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Check my sig for all the appropriate links! Most of the ME2 characters need a re-write in ME3!!

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Omega Torsk wrote...

Honestly, I can't support the people that want Bioware to "take back" Thane's death. It was a beautiful, awesome, and perfect way for him to go out. He died saving the life of the Salarian Councilor and protecting his friends. He, a weak and terminally ill former assassin, held his ground and fought back against a healthy and skilled human assassin, gaining the upper hand at several instances. Though he sacrificed himself, he caused Cerberus to fail, humbling that xenophobe Kai Leng in the process. He acknowledged this and took complete confidence in it. He died a redeemed man and even said a prayer for his friend and ally Commander Shepard. He died with his boots on and even had an opportunity to "say goodbye."

As to the people that romanced him, I'm sorry, but you should've realized that romancing a man that literally had months to live was a heavy risk... not that I'm discouraging the romance, I'm just saying... heavy risk...


As someone who romanced Thane all I was thinking is: WTF. The man you love is dying and you're not showing any emotion. You can't even tell him you love him?!

Then I watched Miranda's death (which is totally optional) and felt jealous:

If you're going to kill a love interest and make it a scripted event at least put some damn effort into it! They did for Miranda but not Thane.

Thane's death scene is fine if he wasn't romanced but if he was it's complete BS. I am bitter.

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wow, you can't start a petition for every death you don't agree with in the game.

Thane was always going to go out in a blaze of glory.

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I thought that Thane's send off was very well done, I was cheering him on as he took on Kai Leng, obviously highly concerned and in tears when he died but it all felt very loyal to his character, right down the prayer. I thought if you didn't talk to him before the Cerberus coup on the citadel he didn't take on Kai Leng anyway? (not tried myself but read it somewhere) and if so, in that scenario isn't he alive?

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Thane was always meant to die; that was clear after the recruitment mission in ME2. Taking that away ruins a lot of his character. And besides, aren't we already asking for a hell of a patch with just the endings? One step at a time here, people.

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For one that didn't care about Thane, watching him against Kai Leng really made me think how awsome he was.

I don't think he was treated poorly, he saved the concil; from all cameos, i think Thane got the most important and complicated of all ME2 caracters role... but i can't say how it is as a LI.
I just wanted to say that even for a non fan of Thane like me, his last fight was grandiose.
/ respect
/ salute the man.

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I know that there is a lot of people here right now getting all up in your face about this. I think most of them didn't romance him, so I wouldn't take it too much to heart. I will support this and I will leave here what I wrote in the feedback thread earlier concerning the ME2 romances/Thane. People can yap all they want, truth be to told... alot of people got hurt by these romances.

I have written this before, but I will rewrite it again to make my point across. I have been playing Bioware’s games for a long time now. However for the first time, I could not finish Mass Effect 3. I won’t complete it unless the ME2 romances in ME3 are done correctly and as soon as possible. I feel that since Bioware promised equality in all romances and failed to do so, I shouldn’t have to wait longer.

I did look up the endings on youtube, but I can’t really express my opinion on it since I didn’t finish the game. However I will share the problems in the Thane, Tali, and Jacob romance.

ME2 Romances in general:

We were promised equality in all romances however we did not receive it. Liara, Kaiden, and Ashley received the best, especially Liara. Garrus/Tail romances got it good but not like the ME1 romances. Miranda/Jack got something but it sucked. Thane and Jacob romances were slaughtered so bad that I don’t know if fans can recover from it. My best advice on this is to make all romances equal to Liara’s romance. It’s our job, as the fans to pick favorites, but it’s Bioware’s job to keep it neutral.

Jacob Romance:

Honestly I don’t know how someone can fix this without it sounding like a Murray Show. I think and believe that the whole Jacob romance needs to be scraped and rewritten. It was too much realism for a fictional character in a fictional world. The fans who romanced Jacob, even if the group is small, they deserved better than this.  Jacob is a honorable man, he would have waited for Shepard. The ME1 characters waited two years for Shepard, Jacob could have waited six months.

Tali Romance:

Even though the Tail/Garrus romance had it better than the rest of the ME2 romances, Tail fans should have gotten a better photo than what they received. If you go to www.deviantart.com, you can research how most Tail fans thought she looked like and get a good art concept of her. Bioware, my brother is a Tali-mancer and if you need an original art concept of her…  I do it myself. I’m an artist. I also believe an extra sex scene would do nicely for both Tali/Garrus romances.

Thane Romance:

This is where I come in strongly. My main and only LI was Thane. I was someone who lost their husband last year due to cancer. I connected with Thane and because of that reason I romanced him. I believed that there was going to be an option to save him because of the promotion that you guys held yourself on facebook. I would have changed my romance option if I knew otherwise. I didn’t pay $70 for a game to be reminded of my dead husband. An option would have pleased both parties. His character does attract a certain group of people like me, those who have experience lost and/or illness. The sensitive nature of this topic should have made those writing Thane more careful on how they approached it. However I will not go into it further but I will leave my ideas on how it should have been handled.

If Thane needed to die:

-More emotion from Shepard and the mention of his death from the crewmates. I also like to see the lesbian crewmates not to hit on ya right away. Can you imagine how it’s like to lose your love and then have 2 lesbians/kaiden hit on you right after? I’M NOT A LESBIAN. In rl, I would find it weird, but in a game I felt it was weird and insulting.  Just because I’m a female player does not mean I will go from a straight relationship into a
lesbian one. Seriously.

-The flash back to your love interest in the end should have been of Thane. Not Liara. I never romanced her to start off with.

-More romance/dialogue for Thane. I don’t know why I felt like this, but it  felt like I had an one night stand with him than an actual romance. It was like I was being punished for not pursuing the romance with Kaiden. I only romanced Kaiden to start off with because I wanted a fight. Which none of us got.

-Please, take out the hospital sex scene. I know it was a 2 second scene that lead into a black out scene, but come on, really?

-Fix the glitching in the first conversation with Thane at the hospital. It’s insulting enough that his romance was an afterthought and water down, but we could have gotten better in graphics.

What I believe should have been the Thane romance:

-There should have been an OPITION. Not all of us believed he was defined by his illness. In matter of fact, at the end of the ME2 romance he made it clear to us that he didn’t consider himself define by it. So I don’t get how he contradicts himself in ME3. He wanted to live for his son and for Shepard.

-There was hope to cure/prolonging him. In the shadow broker level, it mentions he is eligible for a lung transplant. He also mentions in his dialog that the Hanar were working on a cure for his disease. Was it so unrealistic that he couldn’t be saved? The cancer my husband died from is currently being researched for a cure.
This happens every day in life, people find ways to help the terminal.

-Thane should come back as a squad member, if you choose to save him. Along with everyone else’s ME2 love interest. I would love to have Jacob/Miranda/Jack back on the Normandy. It’s not everyone from the second game, but at least its a few characters.


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mayrabgood wrote...

Yes, Thane's character needs to be amended. He was totally pushed to the side =(


I agree. One conversation with him, and then he dies. No one mentions anything about it, except Kai Leng of all people. And can't forget about Shepard's "This is for Thane, you SOB."

Wow. >.>

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Thanks Squeegee.
Im sorry for your loss.

Yea,to those that didn't romance him at all  his death must have been a glorious way to die.

But for us that did, I feel like I need to repeat this, it was really poorly done.
Its like he  simply disappeared altogether. 
The only thing we get is his name on the wall, none of the other characters even mention him, and then Shepard's reaction through out the entire ordeal was anticlimatic and lacked any of the emotion that should have been there.

It's fine if you, mostly non-romanced sheps, like the way he died, to you it makes perfect sense, that is understandable.
But having a choice is not bad.
Bioware's talented writers could make it a hard choice, and a challenging quest to finish.

Besides, what if you could have him back as a squadmate? He was ME2 poster boy and one of the most well liked characters in the ME universe.

Squeegee83 wrote...

I know that there is a lot of people here right now getting all up in your face about this. I think most of them didn't romance him, so I wouldn't take it too much to heart. I will support this and I will leave here what I wrote in the feedback thread earlier concerning the ME2 romances/Thane. People can yap all they want, truth be to told... alot of people got hurt by these romances.

I have written this before, but I will rewrite it again to make my point across. I have been playing Bioware’s games for a long time now. However for the first time, I could not finish Mass Effect 3. I won’t complete it unless the ME2 romances in ME3 are done correctly and as soon as possible. I feel that since Bioware promised equality in all romances and failed to do so, I shouldn’t have to wait longer.

I did look up the endings on youtube, but I can’t really express my opinion on it since I didn’t finish the game. However I will share the problems in the Thane, Tali, and Jacob romance.

ME2 Romances in general:

We were promised equality in all romances however we did not receive it. Liara, Kaiden, and Ashley received the best, especially Liara. Garrus/Tail romances got it good but not like the ME1 romances. Miranda/Jack got something but it sucked. Thane and Jacob romances were slaughtered so bad that I don’t know if fans can recover from it. My best advice on this is to make all romances equal to Liara’s romance. It’s our job, as the fans to pick favorites, but it’s Bioware’s job to keep it neutral.

Jacob Romance:

Honestly I don’t know how someone can fix this without it sounding like a Murray Show. I think and believe that the whole Jacob romance needs to be scraped and rewritten. It was too much realism for a fictional character in a fictional world. The fans who romanced Jacob, even if the group is small, they deserved better than this.  Jacob is a honorable man, he would have waited for Shepard. The ME1 characters waited two years for Shepard, Jacob could have waited six months.

Tali Romance:

Even though the Tail/Garrus romance had it better than the rest of the ME2 romances, Tail fans should have gotten a better photo than what they received. If you go to www.deviantart.com, you can research how most Tail fans thought she looked like and get a good art concept of her. Bioware, my brother is a Tali-mancer and if you need an original art concept of her…  I do it myself. I’m an artist. I also believe an extra sex scene would do nicely for both Tali/Garrus romances.

Thane Romance:

This is where I come in strongly. My main and only LI was Thane. I was someone who lost their husband last year due to cancer. I connected with Thane and because of that reason I romanced him. I believed that there was going to be an option to save him because of the promotion that you guys held yourself on facebook. I would have changed my romance option if I knew otherwise. I didn’t pay $70 for a game to be reminded of my dead husband. An option would have pleased both parties. His character does attract a certain group of people like me, those who have experience lost and/or illness. The sensitive nature of this topic should have made those writing Thane more careful on how they approached it. However I will not go into it further but I will leave my ideas on how it should have been handled.

If Thane needed to die:

-More emotion from Shepard and the mention of his death from the crewmates. I also like to see the lesbian crewmates not to hit on ya right away. Can you imagine how it’s like to lose your love and then have 2 lesbians/kaiden hit on you right after? I’M NOT A LESBIAN. In rl, I would find it weird, but in a game I felt it was weird and insulting.  Just because I’m a female player does not mean I will go from a straight relationship into a
lesbian one. Seriously.

-The flash back to your love interest in the end should have been of Thane. Not Liara. I never romanced her to start off with.

-More romance/dialogue for Thane. I don’t know why I felt like this, but it  felt like I had an one night stand with him than an actual romance. It was like I was being punished for not pursuing the romance with Kaiden. I only romanced Kaiden to start off with because I wanted a fight. Which none of us got.

-Please, take out the hospital sex scene. I know it was a 2 second scene that lead into a black out scene, but come on, really?

-Fix the glitching in the first conversation with Thane at the hospital. It’s insulting enough that his romance was an afterthought and water down, but we could have gotten better in graphics.

What I believe should have been the Thane romance:

-There should have been an OPITION. Not all of us believed he was defined by his illness. In matter of fact, at the end of the ME2 romance he made it clear to us that he didn’t consider himself define by it. So I don’t get how he contradicts himself in ME3. He wanted to live for his son and for Shepard.

-There was hope to cure/prolonging him. In the shadow broker level, it mentions he is eligible for a lung transplant. He also mentions in his dialog that the Hanar were working on a cure for his disease. Was it so unrealistic that he couldn’t be saved? The cancer my husband died from is currently being researched for a cure.
This happens every day in life, people find ways to help the terminal.

-Thane should come back as a squad member, if you choose to save him. Along with everyone else’s ME2 love interest. I would love to have Jacob/Miranda/Jack back on the Normandy. It’s not everyone from the second game, but at least its a few characters.




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I love how people come into these types of threads and immediately are like "I don't understand what the big deal was, I thought the death was handled well!"

That is NOT the point. Most of us are not protesting Thane's death. We are protesting how badly it was treated as an LI scene. There is absolutely no difference between Love and Friend dialogue besides one or two lines. That's it. After it happens no one even mentions him ever again. Every other character gets a "It was good to see so and so again!" or "I'm sorry to hear about so and so" Hell, even Tali fricken gets drunk after the mission with Miranda to acknowledge her. All we get is a name on the alliance board and a bunch of other squad mates coming to hit on us cause we're single now (even though they make no mention of Thane or ask Shepard how she is, just flat out hit on her). Seriously? According to the squad Shepard saved the Salarian Councillor, yay for her! Um not, Thane did. Do they acknowledge that? Nope. Does a romanced Shep leaving Thane to chase Kai Leng act any different than a non-romanced? Nope. I don't know about you, but I would have at least shown some emotion leaving Thane to who knows what kind of fate while I went to chase the assassin. Duty or not.

One of the writers (devs?) even made a comment that they dropped the ball on Thane, and "forgot" he was a LI to some. If that doesn't prove something nothing will.

We are also protesting the lack of choice we had, for anything. Especially after being made to think otherwise through out the space between ME2 and ME3. Personally, I liked the death scene, I would have probably picked it anyway. As a friendship role. I did not like how it was handled as a LI role. It was beautiful in it's way, but having a romanced non-emotional Shepard was a little rude to me when the "love of your life" is dying. If it was handled better I would have had no problem picking it in a romanced role as well.


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I'll just leave this here. Support.

What was Upsetting: It's Mr.Thane Krios, not Mr.Kepr Al Syndrome.

- Thane was a fascinating character with a well-thought-out and developed past and personality. And while the Kepral's Syndrome perhaps adds to the urgency of his character, most of his fans have never defined himself by it. He was a Drell, a child taking part in the Compact, an assassin for the Hanar Illuminated Primacy, a lover of reading, a husband, a father, a reader of philosophy, a widower, and an absentee-by-necessity father, all before he was a man dying of Keprals.

At the end of the romance in ME 2, it was satisfying to see Thane stop defining himself by it. That was his character arch: he no longer believed or could accept that he was the equivalent of a dead man walking because of the disease. He had something to live for; his son and Shepard. For the first time ever since he had met Irikah and lost her, he wanted to live. A mental victory over the Syndrome at the very least.

When found on the Citadel in ME3, his being was entirely defined by his severely advanced Kepral's Syndrome. The majority of his only conversation with Shepard, romanced or otherwise, was about the disease. He didn't die because of Kai Leng (had he gotten that wound without Kepral's he would have been fine after surgery, as the doctor noted) but because of Kepral's Syndrome. Even if Shepard didn't find him at Huerta hospital, and consequently didn't get involved with assassination attempt? He still died of Keprals. He didn't want to die in a hospital bed, as said in his Lair of the Shadow Broker Letter, and yet, that is where and how he died.

When people say, "The whole point of his character was that he was dying," well those people are patently wrong. And having written him that way in ME3 was worse.

What kind of message is, "dying people are what disease they have?" My mother is dying of pancreatic cancer. Is she only the disease? Did she cease to be a person once she was diagnosed with it? Has she lost all facets of her personality because she is now a dying woman? Of course not. Why should it be any different with Thane? I only bring this up because I am, of course, not the only one who is watching a loved one suffer from a terrible, debilitating illness. For those of us who are or have, there was a strong connection with Shepard. That made Thane's death all the more terrible to watch. We did not need the message that, "sometimes, things are out of your control" or "sometimes, people close to you die." Many of us are living that reality, and certainly do not need a second dose of it in the video games we play for recreation. It could have and should have been handled with more care, more respect.

What Was Particularly Depressing: Thane's Death Broke Suspension of Disbelief

- I spoke with someone who had no reason to lie, and they said that there was never any path planned for saving Thane, that his death would be so moving, so powerful, so emotional as to be worth the loss of his character, that offering a way out would cheapen it.

Does the option to save Jack at Grissom Academy negate the effect of her gruesome transformation and manipulation at the hands of Cerberus? Does the option to tip off Miranda about Kai-Leng undercut the scene where she dies in Shepard's arms? Does the sacrifice/Warden death ending of Dragon Age: Origins cancel out the effect of the coronation ceremony? No. It's just an option! In a a game that is purportedly about options! In a game such as this, it is indeed possible to please everyone, just offer more than one option! Why didn't people who wanted to save Thane have that option?

Directly after being recruited in ME2, during the first conversation on the Normandy, Thane mentioned that the Hanar were working on a cure; he just didn't expect that he would live long enough to benefit from it. In Lair of the Shadow Broker, Thane's dossier showed that he was an eligible transplant candidate: it was possible for Thane to receive a transplant that would extend his life. There would not need to be a miracle cure because there was already one in the works by the Hanar. In addition, the CDN mentioned a new medigel for the lungs that would revolutionize internal medicine; I hope I need not explain how this could immediately benefit Thane. This felt like a particular nod to Thane fans, because an article talking about medigel for the lungs would only be of interest to Thane fans and no other portions of the fan base.

Unlike the game endings, there was setup here. The pieces were all in place. It wouldn't be a deus ex machina, people could look back at the game and see the trail that lead from there to a cured, or at least, surviving Thane. An expedient cure wasn't even necessary, if the disease was just stabilized, it would have been enough for us to hope that he would live long enough to receive the Hanar cure.

And yet, all that foreshadowing was dismissed. What was given to us in ME3 was a slap in the face. There was hope; not hope from desperate fans reaching for any half-baked scrap of information to support their claim, but hope born of game-provided evidence. If Thane was always slated to die, why give fans any hope at all? Why have Thane mention that the Hanar were working on a cure? Why put in Thane's Shadow Broker Dossier that he was an eligible transplant candidate? Why release on the CDN information about a medigel for the lungs, when that information would only be of interest to a select group of the fan base? Why recognize the "Cure Thane in ME3" banner, giving more hope to fans?

His unavoidable death was all the more bitter because we believed, in a universe were cancer had been beaten; in a universe where death, however costly had been surmounted; in a universe where the Genophage, a product of years and many individuals' labor could be reversed by one, (despite supposedly being years away from a cure in ME2) that Thane's life could have been extended, and that his death could have been avoided.

What was an Insult: The Aftermath
Both Thane's death itself and the aftermath was done so poorly (from a romanced Shepard's perspective) that it should not have happened at all. It was not beautiful, it was not touching. Shepard showed no emotion, and wasn't given any option to show any. Because the "romance" that came before it was so threadbare and uninspired, it fails on the very fronts it needed to succeed at to be considered successful and satisfying to those who had no way to avoid losing a favorite character/LI.

The majority of Thane fans had accepted the possibility of Thane's death, despite all the alleged foreshadowing from the previous games and DLC. We had many other reasons than the obvious to pray that it wouldn't come to pass; in previous ME games, character/squadmate death wasn't exactly given the gravitas it deserved. In Mass Effect 2, during the Suicide Mission, Shepard shrugs and moves on no matter who died, even their LI. Afterwards, none of the other squadmates even mentioned that they had lost some of their number. This dismissive treatment was something we all feared more than Thane's death itself; he wouldn't just die, he also wouldn't be remembered. And that was exactly how it went.

Right after that tearjerking (/sarcasm) goodbye, does Shepard get to talk to anyone about losing Thane, romanced or otherwise? Does any other ME2 character mention him? Did any other character even ask how Shepard was coping? No, but he gets his name on that wall!

This was as the more painful to see, especially because in nearly every other instance, when another ME2 character died, everyone on the ship had something to say about it. If the Virmire Survivor died on the Citadel, Garrus had something to say. If Samara died at the monastery, Joker had a comment. Tali remembered Miranda, could remember Legion. It was proved through these characters' deaths, that their loss could resonate. Why didn't it happen with Thane? I inferred from a conversation with someone in the know, that there were resource and time issues that contributed to this.

If the aftermath of a character's death cannot be handled with as much care as the death was, then the character shouldn't die. Period. Why was Thane the only one fighting Kai-Leng? Why was Shepard and the others just standing uselessly with their guns drawn? Why does the nurse at the hospital mention that Thane needs more blood and then states more blood won't do any good?

Why do those who romanced Thane get the exact same Lair of the Shadow Broker goodbye letter, if they already romanced Thane? It was understandable, that it was made available for those who didn't play Lair of the Shadow Broker, who didn't/couldn't go on the internet to look it up, but what did those who had already read it get? Nothing! Nothing new and bitterly inadequate, given Thane fans are the only ones who are forced to see their LI die in game, on camera, with no way to avert it.

If any LI should have given Shepard a trinket, it should have been Thane. A picture of them on their desert vacation, taken when they were together before Shepard turned herself in, or a holo (like the one Thane had made of Mouse). Something. Anything to remember him by. Anything other than absence.


What Changes Should Be Made

- An option to save Thane should be made available. I've now seen how he died: he went unmourned by all, Shepard included. Nothing will take those memories away. While the lack of death/romance recognition/lack of romance dialogue/romance scene issues should be corrected, I want to see him live. We deserve to be able to save Thane and if we choose not to we also deserve his death to be handled better, but the latter is no use to many Thane fans without the option of the former.
- If the above won't be done, have a Shepard that romanced Thane show more emotion during the death scene. Have the option for her to tell him she loves him, and have him do the same. Miranda got a better, more satisfying death scene, and it wasn't mandatory. For the required death of an ME2 LI, Thane should have been given at least that much care.
- Thane was one of the few ME2 characters who didn't get a mission in the game. Please, please, please make it happen. Make a Kahje mission where, if completed, there can be assets for the war and a cure for Thane. Those who didn't romance him or don't want him (and the Drell to be cured) could still get the resources through Kasumi's mission. Thane is a natural connection to the Hanar. He worked for them. He had the procedure done so he could see their bioluminescence. His race is inextricably tied to theirs. The Hanar worship the Protheans, had prevented the "defilement" of some Prothean ruins in ME1; maybe there is a Prothean object that could be of use in building the crucible or just providing important information, that Shepard+CO could help retrieve.

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RShara

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CGramn wrote...

1)
A romanced Thane is 95% the same as a friend or bromance Thane. There
is one or two extra dialogue options for him, the rest is exactly the
same as if he was not romanced.

2) His death may look cool and
have weight in the circumstances, but his death makes no impact on
anyone after the fact. When Mordin, Legion, or anyone else dies,
everyone has something to say about it. When Thane dies, everyone is
talking about how nice it is to have Kaiden/Ashley back on board. Thane
is never mentioned or shown again for the rest of the game except when
you kill Kai-Leng, which prompts the same response whether romanced or
not.

3) Thane is the only character not to get a Codex entry at all.

4)
Thane's character when romanced in ME2 is a very different character
from a non-romanced Thane. He goes from being prepared for death without
regrets, to genuine fear of dying because of the life he has found with
Femshep and the life he wants to have with her. In ME3, no matter what
you did, Thane is once again reserved to dying and your decisions have
made no impact on his character.

EDIT: 5) Your continued romance
with Thane does also not trigger the Paramour achievement, which is in
itself a huge disservice to the Thanemancers.

There are other
reasons as well, but like the Retake Mass Effect movement, I think
Thane's "Better Romance" movement along with Jacob's same effort is
often being thrown aside as "They just want a happy ending" when that's
really not what the core issue is at all. It's again the same neglect
and poor writing the ending suffers from, and one of the writers have
admitted to the fact that romanced Thane got lost somewhere in the
process.



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Aurien wrote...

One of the writers (devs?) even made a comment that they dropped the ball on Thane, and "forgot" he was a LI to some. If that doesn't prove something nothing will.


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wow, that really pisses me off.

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