@Visii - your my hero <squeeze>
Great responses by all. I sooo don't have the fight in me tonight. Ima just gonna be all ya-alls cheerleader, k? Go, go, go!
"Save Thane Krios" Petition
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#277
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:07
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@Coldi...watch out for PDS, she might throw a bottle at ya.
You cheer and I'll just refrain from my instincts to use enough verbage to make a long shoreman blush.
You cheer and I'll just refrain from my instincts to use enough verbage to make a long shoreman blush.
#278
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:14
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@masseffect Is there an actual person on the other end here or just some soulless, indoctrinated machine hellbent on ignoring ME2 LI fans?
@masseffect Is there an actual person on the other end here or just some soulless, indoctrinated machine hellbent on ignoring ME2 LI fans?
#279
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:18
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Look I'm Sorry, Thane was dying. He always said that he was going to die. Maybe if he had you know gotten treatment instead of going on a suicide mission and running around being an assassin he would have lived. Part of me wonders why anyone would romance him, yes I loved Thane's character I did. But seriously people why would anyone romance a dying man.
His death scene was touching his death scene made me cry, because that was Thane. People die, Mordin died, Grunt could die, Miranda could die. if I could make Jacob die...you know I would have. Ashley or Kaiden died, hell you could shoot them in ME3. Tali commits suicide if you don't choose the right options, same with Samara. Jack could die, if you didn't save her in time. The one character you have an issue with "choice" is the one character who from day 1 we knew was going to die eventually because of his syndrome. And you know what he gave his life to protect Shepard. So yes let's you know draw out Thane's death, let him die a slow and painful death so Shepard can have some more lines with him, and some sexy time, a dying man.
The fight scene was cool, and yes I get the whole why did he go closer to Kai when he had a gun. I'm sure someone could explain it in a way that would make sense to everyone, but the whole lets have a single dlc, where we can properly romance Thane, and get the option of saving him...only for him to die brutally when the Reapers move the Citadel above Earth...or you know die a slow painful death somewhere else...seems kinda cruel, and pointless.
There are fixed points in the game, Thane dying was one of them. It sucks but again you romanced a dying man...who went out in a blaze of glory rather than being confined to a bed. I approve of this, and I'm sure you'll find more people who want to keep Thane's death a fixed unchangeable point. Argue for more dialogue. Argue to get people to acknowledge that Thane died for you. Do not argue for a choice to "save Thane".
His death scene was touching his death scene made me cry, because that was Thane. People die, Mordin died, Grunt could die, Miranda could die. if I could make Jacob die...you know I would have. Ashley or Kaiden died, hell you could shoot them in ME3. Tali commits suicide if you don't choose the right options, same with Samara. Jack could die, if you didn't save her in time. The one character you have an issue with "choice" is the one character who from day 1 we knew was going to die eventually because of his syndrome. And you know what he gave his life to protect Shepard. So yes let's you know draw out Thane's death, let him die a slow and painful death so Shepard can have some more lines with him, and some sexy time, a dying man.
The fight scene was cool, and yes I get the whole why did he go closer to Kai when he had a gun. I'm sure someone could explain it in a way that would make sense to everyone, but the whole lets have a single dlc, where we can properly romance Thane, and get the option of saving him...only for him to die brutally when the Reapers move the Citadel above Earth...or you know die a slow painful death somewhere else...seems kinda cruel, and pointless.
There are fixed points in the game, Thane dying was one of them. It sucks but again you romanced a dying man...who went out in a blaze of glory rather than being confined to a bed. I approve of this, and I'm sure you'll find more people who want to keep Thane's death a fixed unchangeable point. Argue for more dialogue. Argue to get people to acknowledge that Thane died for you. Do not argue for a choice to "save Thane".
#280
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:22
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*Sigh.* You can't tell me not to argue for a choice to save Thane. He DID die in a hospital bed, not from his injuries from Kai-Leng, but from Keprals, the only thing he could talk about Shepard with, during that one conversation before Leng's attack.
I for one, want a cure, and will not stop wanting one because the way his death was handled was terrible. Miranda had a better death scene than Thane, and hers was optional. They had their chance to make me look back at Thane's death (and the time my Shepard spent with him before it) touching, and bittersweet. They were supposed to leave me sad, but satisfied.
Instead, we got:
1) There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2)There was a shameful lack of romantic dialogue.
3) Barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's.
4) Only one, Keprals/VS oriented dialogue with Thane before he died.
5) No shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??
6) The fight with Kai-Leng was stupid (why was Shep+others just standing there? Why close the distance, Thane, when Leng had a sword?) Also, a bit nonsensical and pointless; Thane dies trying to save the Salarian councilor, an act that can be replaced by several other characters, and that has no real connection or significance to Thane.
7) The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's.
8) After he died, no one save Kai-Leng mentioned Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not.
9) Every other ME2 LI can be saved or damned by Shepard's actions (or lack thereof) all but Thane. Parity thy name is Absent in ME3.
Fail.
I for one, want a cure, and will not stop wanting one because the way his death was handled was terrible. Miranda had a better death scene than Thane, and hers was optional. They had their chance to make me look back at Thane's death (and the time my Shepard spent with him before it) touching, and bittersweet. They were supposed to leave me sad, but satisfied.
Instead, we got:
1) There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2)There was a shameful lack of romantic dialogue.
3) Barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's.
4) Only one, Keprals/VS oriented dialogue with Thane before he died.
5) No shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??
6) The fight with Kai-Leng was stupid (why was Shep+others just standing there? Why close the distance, Thane, when Leng had a sword?) Also, a bit nonsensical and pointless; Thane dies trying to save the Salarian councilor, an act that can be replaced by several other characters, and that has no real connection or significance to Thane.
7) The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's.
8) After he died, no one save Kai-Leng mentioned Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not.
9) Every other ME2 LI can be saved or damned by Shepard's actions (or lack thereof) all but Thane. Parity thy name is Absent in ME3.
Fail.
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#281
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:25
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Personally, I do not care what you approve of. Do not tell me what I may or may not argue for. Do you have a LI? Good, go there.
This is a petition thread. If you are not here to support it, move along.
This is a petition thread. If you are not here to support it, move along.
#282
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:26
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miniy2j wrote...
Look I'm Sorry, Thane was dying. He always said that he was going to die. Maybe if he had you know gotten treatment instead of going on a suicide mission and running around being an assassin he would have lived. Part of me wonders why anyone would romance him, yes I loved Thane's character I did. But seriously people why would anyone romance a dying man.
His death scene was touching his death scene made me cry, because that was Thane. People die, Mordin died, Grunt could die, Miranda could die. if I could make Jacob die...you know I would have. Ashley or Kaiden died, hell you could shoot them in ME3. Tali commits suicide if you don't choose the right options, same with Samara. Jack could die, if you didn't save her in time. The one character you have an issue with "choice" is the one character who from day 1 we knew was going to die eventually because of his syndrome. And you know what he gave his life to protect Shepard. So yes let's you know draw out Thane's death, let him die a slow and painful death so Shepard can have some more lines with him, and some sexy time, a dying man.
The fight scene was cool, and yes I get the whole why did he go closer to Kai when he had a gun. I'm sure someone could explain it in a way that would make sense to everyone, but the whole lets have a single dlc, where we can properly romance Thane, and get the option of saving him...only for him to die brutally when the Reapers move the Citadel above Earth...or you know die a slow painful death somewhere else...seems kinda cruel, and pointless.
There are fixed points in the game, Thane dying was one of them. It sucks but again you romanced a dying man...who went out in a blaze of glory rather than being confined to a bed. I approve of this, and I'm sure you'll find more people who want to keep Thane's death a fixed unchangeable point. Argue for more dialogue. Argue to get people to acknowledge that Thane died for you. Do not argue for a choice to "save Thane".
You're missing the point. While I would never turn down the option to save him if they gave it to me, the real problem is that romanced shep acts no different than regular shep. There's no "I love you" or anything. Nobody even says anything about him after Shepard just watched the man she loved die.
#283
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:31
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miniy2j wrote...
Look I'm Sorry, Thane was dying. He always said that he was going to d--
*falcon punch*
I'm tired of all these disingenuous assertions! Seriously people.
Read. The Goddamn. Fraking. Thread.
Copying and pasting Visii:
There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar
cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow
Broker.
Modifié par sunnie7699, 25 mars 2012 - 05:31 .
#284
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:41
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sunnie7699 wrote...
miniy2j wrote...
Look I'm Sorry, Thane was dying. He always said that he was going to d--
*falcon punch*
I'm tired of all these disingenuous assertions! Seriously people.
Read. The Goddamn. Fraking. Thread.
Copying and pasting Visii:
There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar
cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow
Broker.
Exactly.
Most of these people who come in hear and say stupid things like that didn't even bother to read the thread.
Thane dying is not the main reason we are angry.
#285
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:42
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Exaclty what miniy2j is emphasizing. Please, I'm not saying this to undermine his value as a LI or saying he's not worth saving in the least. His death was by far one of the greatest scenes and his send off was one of the best written scenes in the game. I teared up when Kolyat said who the prayer was for. and it was undeniably one of the most emotional scenes in the game.
I cursed Cerberus for the rest of the game and vowed to have the illusive mans head, cause thane was my favorite ally in ME2. I'm only starting a FemShep playthrough in the series (and i am a guy so i probably wont romance him anyway). But i can't support that his death scene deserves any kind of discredit in terms of emotional value, whether he was romanced or not.
You also get the pleasure of the "This is dor Thane" scene, which was one of THE most satisfying moments in gaming history (IMO).
So it seems extremely selfish to me, that we are going to have ANOTHER petition signed against bioware, due to some discrepency's (which i understand may mean more to others than to me) with his romance dialogue. His goodbye was meaningful regardless of whether you boinked him or not. I think its unjustified to try and take that away from BW when were already giving them all this grief over another issue.
But i respect that you wish to be heard and that you want awareness on the issue. We've done that in these last few pages, I'm simply presenting another opinion for the readers of this thread. Nothing wrong with that, right?
I cursed Cerberus for the rest of the game and vowed to have the illusive mans head, cause thane was my favorite ally in ME2. I'm only starting a FemShep playthrough in the series (and i am a guy so i probably wont romance him anyway). But i can't support that his death scene deserves any kind of discredit in terms of emotional value, whether he was romanced or not.
You also get the pleasure of the "This is dor Thane" scene, which was one of THE most satisfying moments in gaming history (IMO).
So it seems extremely selfish to me, that we are going to have ANOTHER petition signed against bioware, due to some discrepency's (which i understand may mean more to others than to me) with his romance dialogue. His goodbye was meaningful regardless of whether you boinked him or not. I think its unjustified to try and take that away from BW when were already giving them all this grief over another issue.
But i respect that you wish to be heard and that you want awareness on the issue. We've done that in these last few pages, I'm simply presenting another opinion for the readers of this thread. Nothing wrong with that, right?
#286
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:45
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sunnie7699 wrote...
miniy2j wrote...
Look I'm Sorry, Thane was dying. He always said that he was going to d--
*falcon punch*
I'm tired of all these disingenuous assertions! Seriously people.
Read. The Goddamn. Fraking. Thread.
Copying and pasting Visii:
There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar
cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow
Broker.
Bolded for truth! Damnit, I'm getting pissed now......and I hate getting this way! What was bw thinking when they give us such a well developed, and SPECIFICALLY designed for WOMAN, character, then give him servitude as assassin since 6yrs of age, dead wife, estranged son AND space cancer. Feed us false hopes about life extention/cure which DOES fit with his romance arc, then kill him and drop the ball on his romance in ME3! They do all of this and send a message to some seriously unempathetic mouth breathers that:
1) you should NEVER love/romance a sick/dying person
2) that all those with a disease are DEFINED by it
3) that anyone who did think/feel differently about #1and #2, are apparently idiots
4) and finally..... breaking suspension of disbelief is fine if you make it LOOK cool (i.e. the ridiculous fight with Kai Leng)
Halleluha....holy ***t!...........Where's the Tylanol.
#287
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:55
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@Bloodhound,
It seems extremely selfish to me, that you came here and tried to tell us how we should feel. Bioware has been lauded for their storytelling and characterization; when they fail to please their audience, then the criticism about the ME2 LIs and about the endings is completely justified.
Bioware is not a group of Gods, as shown by the endings, the ME2 LI treatment and the myriad of other issues with the game. They are also not fragile-minded children, needing to be coddled and protected from legitimate criticism for fear of hurting their feelings. They are a company we are giving hard-earned money to, for the sole purpose of being entertained.
And when they fail to deliver, especially after promising that all romance arcs would be treated equally, and that they all would reach a satisfactory conclusion, that's when people make petitions like this. And that's why it's good for people to make petitions like this, to make their discontent known: no one ever solved an issue by keeping silent about it.
You can sympathize with Bioware and make excuses for them, but I can't.
It seems extremely selfish to me, that you came here and tried to tell us how we should feel. Bioware has been lauded for their storytelling and characterization; when they fail to please their audience, then the criticism about the ME2 LIs and about the endings is completely justified.
Bioware is not a group of Gods, as shown by the endings, the ME2 LI treatment and the myriad of other issues with the game. They are also not fragile-minded children, needing to be coddled and protected from legitimate criticism for fear of hurting their feelings. They are a company we are giving hard-earned money to, for the sole purpose of being entertained.
And when they fail to deliver, especially after promising that all romance arcs would be treated equally, and that they all would reach a satisfactory conclusion, that's when people make petitions like this. And that's why it's good for people to make petitions like this, to make their discontent known: no one ever solved an issue by keeping silent about it.
You can sympathize with Bioware and make excuses for them, but I can't.
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#288
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 05:59
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Bloodhound66 wrote...
...I think its unjustified to try and take that away from BW when were already giving them all this grief over another issue....But i respect that you wish to be heard and that you want awareness on the issue. We've done that in these last few pages, I'm simply presenting another opinion for the readers of this thread. Nothing wrong with that, right?
I'm.. not really sure what you're saying. You think we are selfish for wanting to be heard, but then you say that you respect us for wanting to be heard?
Look, I understand that you liked the way Thane was handled, but if Bioware does make any changes, they are most certainly giving priority to the ending of ME3 so you don't need to worry about that. If they ever do acknowledge our opinions and make new Thane content, it's most certainly going to be paid DLC, so YOU don't have to buy it and change your perfect Thane death in any way.
Bioware isn't made up of one person, there are multiple people dealing with community concerns. Did it ever occur to you that if there are enough people who protest Thane's romance treatment with completely reasonable arguments, that it IS a real issue that deserves attention? It was mentioned before that Garrus and Tali became LIs in ME2 because of fans coming together and voicing their opinions.
I might have not been attracted to Garrus or Tali, but I didn't go trolling them saying stuff like 'you guys voicing your opinions is selfish and might take away from the quality of ME2'.
#289
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:05
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(This post of support is from Enmystic, who would much rather undergo the many torments of the damned than give Eaware her money for ME3 and deal with the hell of game registration required to post on the ME3 forums).
"I would like to sign this.
I think it's absolutely horrible that the characters of Mass Effect 2 were downgraded in Mass Effect 3. To me, what happened to Thane and Jacob was unacceptable. I also agree that the rest of the ME2 cast deserved better as well. You don't just forget that these characters exist and that people are allowed to care about them the way we do.
Popularity shouldn't matter. What should matter is giving everyone an experience that allows them to walk away from the game feeling satisfied. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. What makes things worse is that Mass Effect 3 is the last game. All of the characters and their romances should have gone out with a bang, not a chosen few. Thane should've had a choice.
Keep fighting guys. I'll do my best to offer support, even though I can't actively post here anymore."
"I would like to sign this.
I think it's absolutely horrible that the characters of Mass Effect 2 were downgraded in Mass Effect 3. To me, what happened to Thane and Jacob was unacceptable. I also agree that the rest of the ME2 cast deserved better as well. You don't just forget that these characters exist and that people are allowed to care about them the way we do.
Popularity shouldn't matter. What should matter is giving everyone an experience that allows them to walk away from the game feeling satisfied. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. What makes things worse is that Mass Effect 3 is the last game. All of the characters and their romances should have gone out with a bang, not a chosen few. Thane should've had a choice.
Keep fighting guys. I'll do my best to offer support, even though I can't actively post here anymore."
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#290
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:09
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coldwetn0se wrote...
sunnie7699 wrote...
miniy2j wrote...
Look I'm Sorry, Thane was dying. He always said that he was going to d--
*falcon punch*
I'm tired of all these disingenuous assertions! Seriously people.
Read. The Goddamn. Fraking. Thread.
Copying and pasting Visii:
There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar
cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow
Broker.
Bolded for truth! Damnit, I'm getting pissed now......and I hate getting this way! What was bw thinking when they give us such a well developed, and SPECIFICALLY designed for WOMAN, character, then give him servitude as assassin since 6yrs of age, dead wife, estranged son AND space cancer. Feed us false hopes about life extention/cure which DOES fit with his romance arc, then kill him and drop the ball on his romance in ME3! They do all of this and send a message to some seriously unempathetic mouth breathers that:
1) you should NEVER love/romance a sick/dying person
2) that all those with a disease are DEFINED by it
3) that anyone who did think/feel differently about #1and #2, are apparently idiots
4) and finally..... breaking suspension of disbelief is fine if you make it LOOK cool (i.e. the ridiculous fight with Kai Leng)
Halleluha....holy ***t!...........Where's the Tylanol.
Amen, sister!
And I understand that being an assassin from the age of 6, having his wife die because of him, having an estranged son and having space cancer made him who he was, but falling in love with Shepard ALSO changed him if you romanced him, and there was absolutely no continuation of that in ME3. THAT is why we are pissed. He didn't act the way he should have if he was romanced, and even if he had come to terms with his death in the time he was seperated from Shep, he didn't even talk about how he managed to get come to terms with his death when he specifically stated he was AFRAID to DIE again after falling in love and uniting with his son. We had NO choices, not to do anything to help him or even ASK if there was anything we could do to help him. What kind of fraking romance is that?
Thane: Hey Siha
Shep: Oh hey Thane, I actually came to see Kaiden (Me: no I fracking didn't.. what?!)
Thane: Cool, I'll protect him (Me: no you won't, he doesn't even need protection.. what???)
Shep: *slaps him on the back* appreciate it, mate (Me: WHAT)
Thane: Cool. I don't really care that I'm dying anymore. (Me:..............)
Shep: Oh ok. Can you come with me anyway?
Thane: Nah, I'm good.
Shep: K, let's make out infront of sick people, while I make strange moaning noises (Me: *dead*)
#291
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:11
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Ughhh trolls are so annoying. This is a thread for the petition to save Thane. It's not like posting on here will magically erase any of our signatures. If you want to do something productive, read our fricken posts to see what we're *actually saying,* and then sign the damn thing or leave us alone.
#292
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:14
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Visii wrote...
@Bloodhound,
It seems extremely selfish to me, that you came here and tried to tell us how we should feel. Bioware has been lauded for their storytelling and characterization; when they fail to please their audience, then the criticism about the ME2 LIs and about the endings is completely justified.
Bioware is not a group of Gods, as shown by the endings, the ME2 LI treatment and the myriad of other issues with the game. They are also not fragile-minded children, needing to be coddled and protected from legitimate criticism for fear of hurting their feelings. They are a company we are giving hard-earned money to, for the sole purpose of being entertained.
And when they fail to deliver, especially after promising that all romance arcs would be treated equally, and that they all would reach a satisfactory conclusion, that's when people make petitions like this. And that's why it's good for people to make petitions like this, to make their discontent known: no one ever solved an issue by keeping silent about it.
You can sympathize with Bioware and make excuses for them, but I can't.
Beautifully said
#293
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:17
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sunnie7699 wrote...
coldwetn0se wrote...
sunnie7699 wrote...
miniy2j wrote...
Look I'm Sorry, Thane was dying. He always said that he was going to d--
*falcon punch*
I'm tired of all these disingenuous assertions! Seriously people.
Read. The Goddamn. Fraking. Thread.
Copying and pasting Visii:
There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar
cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow
Broker.
Bolded for truth! Damnit, I'm getting pissed now......and I hate getting this way! What was bw thinking when they give us such a well developed, and SPECIFICALLY designed for WOMAN, character, then give him servitude as assassin since 6yrs of age, dead wife, estranged son AND space cancer. Feed us false hopes about life extention/cure which DOES fit with his romance arc, then kill him and drop the ball on his romance in ME3! They do all of this and send a message to some seriously unempathetic mouth breathers that:
1) you should NEVER love/romance a sick/dying person
2) that all those with a disease are DEFINED by it
3) that anyone who did think/feel differently about #1and #2, are apparently idiots
4) and finally..... breaking suspension of disbelief is fine if you make it LOOK cool (i.e. the ridiculous fight with Kai Leng)
Halleluha....holy ***t!...........Where's the Tylanol.
Amen, sister!
And I understand that being an assassin from the age of 6, having his wife die because of him, having an estranged son and having space cancer made him who he was, but falling in love with Shepard ALSO changed him if you romanced him, and there was absolutely no continuation of that in ME3. THAT is why we are pissed. He didn't act the way he should have if he was romanced, and even if he had come to terms with his death in the time he was seperated from Shep, he didn't even talk about how he managed to get come to terms with his death when he specifically stated he was AFRAID to DIE again after falling in love and uniting with his son. We had NO choices, not to do anything to help him or even ASK if there was anything we could do to help him. What kind of fraking romance is that?
Thane: Hey Siha
Shep: Oh hey Thane, I actually came to see Kaiden (Me: no I fracking didn't.. what?!)
Thane: Cool, I'll protect him (Me: no you won't, he doesn't even need protection.. what???)
Shep: *slaps him on the back* appreciate it, mate (Me: WHAT)
Thane: Cool. I don't really care that I'm dying anymore. (Me:..............)
Shep: Oh ok. Can you come with me anyway?
Thane: Nah, I'm good.
Shep: K, let's make out infront of sick people, while I make strange moaning noises (Me: *dead*)
THIS. I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw Thane's romance. It actually hurt a little. I kind of felt like he didn't love my femshep anymore.
#294
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:19
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sunnie7699 wrote...
*snippity*
Amen, sister!
And I understand that being an assassin from the age of 6, having his wife die because of him, having an estranged son and having space cancer made him who he was, but falling in love with Shepard ALSO changed him if you romanced him, and there was absolutely no continuation of that in ME3. THAT is why we are pissed. He didn't act the way he should have if he was romanced, and even if he had come to terms with his death in the time he was seperated from Shep, he didn't even talk about how he managed to get come to terms with his death when he specifically stated he was AFRAID to DIE again after falling in love and uniting with his son. We had NO choices, not to do anything to help him or even ASK if there was anything we could do to help him. What kind of fraking romance is that?
Thane: Hey Siha
Shep: Oh hey Thane, I actually came to see Kaiden (Me: no I fracking didn't.. what?!)
Thane: Cool, I'll protect him (Me: no you won't, he doesn't even need protection.. what???)
Shep: *slaps him on the back* appreciate it, mate (Me: WHAT)
Thane: Cool. I don't really care that I'm dying anymore. (Me:..............)
Shep: Oh ok. Can you come with me anyway?
Thane: Nah, I'm good.
Shep: K, let's make out infront of sick people, while I make strange moaning noises (Me: *dead*)
Yup! Dat's wut happened...word!
-Too funny, Sunnie.....
#295
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:23
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@visii
I didnt tell anyone what to feel. I said starting a second petition over the lack of the words "i love you" when a scene was already ripe with emotion is petty and discrediting to an already amazing scene REGARDLESS OF IF YOU TAPPED HIM. That is also not me defending BW, thats me defending a satisfactory closure with a character i cared about (as a bro)
Respect is a two-way street. If you can't respect why i think the death scene should stick, why should i give a thought to any of your objections. Also, your petition isn't "more dialogue for Thane." Its "SAVE THANE." and i object that his death should be redone in any way or taken away, as it was one of the best scenes in the game.
@sunnie
I can respect an opinion, i don't have to agree with it or defend it in any way.
I didnt tell anyone what to feel. I said starting a second petition over the lack of the words "i love you" when a scene was already ripe with emotion is petty and discrediting to an already amazing scene REGARDLESS OF IF YOU TAPPED HIM. That is also not me defending BW, thats me defending a satisfactory closure with a character i cared about (as a bro)
Respect is a two-way street. If you can't respect why i think the death scene should stick, why should i give a thought to any of your objections. Also, your petition isn't "more dialogue for Thane." Its "SAVE THANE." and i object that his death should be redone in any way or taken away, as it was one of the best scenes in the game.
@sunnie
I can respect an opinion, i don't have to agree with it or defend it in any way.
#296
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:32
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Bloodhound66 wrote...
@visii
I didnt tell anyone what to feel. I said starting a second petition over the lack of the words "i love you" when a scene was already ripe with emotion is petty and discrediting to an already amazing scene REGARDLESS OF IF YOU TAPPED HIM. That is also not me defending BW, thats me defending a satisfactory closure with a character i cared about (as a bro)
Respect is a two-way street. If you can't respect why i think the death scene should stick, why should i give a thought to any of your objections. Also, your petition isn't "more dialogue for Thane." Its "SAVE THANE." and i object that his death should be redone in any way or taken away, as it was one of the best scenes in the game.
You said: His goodbye was meaningful regardless of whether you boinked him or not. I think its unjustified to try and take that away from BW when were already giving them all this grief over another issue."
I say: That's telling me (and everyone else on this thread) that you feel that our opinion, that Thane's cameo was anything but beautiful and meaningful, is wrong.
I can't respect your opinion because you completely disregarded several pages of well thought out and concise posts detailing our displeasure with Thane's portrayal in ME3. If you had read any of them you would have seen that most of us agree that, so far as friendship goes, Thane's might just barely pass muster.
But when it comes to the Romance, something you freely admit you have no knowledge of, whar was given as a romance arc, when this is the last game in the series and this was supposed to be the conclusion, was simply unacceptable.
And instead of doing what several other people have done, (admitting after careful consideration of previous posts, that the romantic content for Thane-mancers in ME3 was more than a little bit dissatisfying) you said, as if you are of some authority on the matter, "His goodbye was meaningful regardless of whether you boinked him or not."
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#297
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:34
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Bloodhound66 wrote...
@visii
I didnt tell anyone what to feel. I said starting a second petition over the lack of the words "i love you" when a scene was already ripe with emotion is petty and discrediting to an already amazing scene REGARDLESS OF IF YOU TAPPED HIM. That is also not me defending BW, thats me defending a satisfactory closure with a character i cared about (as a bro)
Respect is a two-way street. If you can't respect why i think the death scene should stick, why should i give a thought to any of your objections. Also, your petition isn't "more dialogue for Thane." Its "SAVE THANE." and i object that his death should be redone in any way or taken away, as it was one of the best scenes in the game.
@sunnie
I can respect an opinion, i don't have to agree with it or defend it in any way.
Not only do we want to have the option to save thane, because it was implied that we would be able to save him, but we also want more dialogue with him. We want both, and if we can't have the option to save him, we want the option for more dialogue with him.
Ok, I respect that you feel that his death was fine as a bro, and I EVEN respect that you think the romance was fine as well, but I do NOT respect that you think we are being selfish. That is just an attack on us, for having the opinions that we have.
#298
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:37
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I know, I was hurt that it felt like neither of them cared about eachother that much anymore, that it was extremely superficial and that bioware thought we would be satisfied with dry humping in public area full of sick people and their worried families. It made me uncomfortable watching the way Shep manhandled him.Taavo wrote...
sunnie7699 wrote...
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Look I'm Sorry, Thane was dying. He always said that he was going to d--
*falcon punch*
I'm tired of all these disingenuous assertions! Seriously people.
Read. The Goddamn. Fraking. Thread.
Copying and pasting Visii:
There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar
cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow
Broker.
Bolded for truth! Damnit, I'm getting pissed now......and I hate getting this way! What was bw thinking when they give us such a well developed, and SPECIFICALLY designed for WOMAN, character, then give him servitude as assassin since 6yrs of age, dead wife, estranged son AND space cancer. Feed us false hopes about life extention/cure which DOES fit with his romance arc, then kill him and drop the ball on his romance in ME3! They do all of this and send a message to some seriously unempathetic mouth breathers that:
1) you should NEVER love/romance a sick/dying person
2) that all those with a disease are DEFINED by it
3) that anyone who did think/feel differently about #1and #2, are apparently idiots
4) and finally..... breaking suspension of disbelief is fine if you make it LOOK cool (i.e. the ridiculous fight with Kai Leng)
Halleluha....holy ***t!...........Where's the Tylanol.
Amen, sister!
And I understand that being an assassin from the age of 6, having his wife die because of him, having an estranged son and having space cancer made him who he was, but falling in love with Shepard ALSO changed him if you romanced him, and there was absolutely no continuation of that in ME3. THAT is why we are pissed. He didn't act the way he should have if he was romanced, and even if he had come to terms with his death in the time he was seperated from Shep, he didn't even talk about how he managed to get come to terms with his death when he specifically stated he was AFRAID to DIE again after falling in love and uniting with his son. We had NO choices, not to do anything to help him or even ASK if there was anything we could do to help him. What kind of fraking romance is that?
Thane: Hey Siha
Shep: Oh hey Thane, I actually came to see Kaiden (Me: no I fracking didn't.. what?!)
Thane: Cool, I'll protect him (Me: no you won't, he doesn't even need protection.. what???)
Shep: *slaps him on the back* appreciate it, mate (Me: WHAT)
Thane: Cool. I don't really care that I'm dying anymore. (Me:..............)
Shep: Oh ok. Can you come with me anyway?
Thane: Nah, I'm good.
Shep: K, let's make out infront of sick people, while I make strange moaning noises (Me: *dead*)
THIS. I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw Thane's romance. It actually hurt a little. I kind of felt like he didn't love my femshep anymore.
#299
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:39
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"I said starting a second petition over the lack of the words 'i love you' when a scene was already ripe with emotion is petty and discrediting to an already amazing scene"
IMO my Shepard looked only slightly displeased. I definately wouldn't call her ripe with emotion.
"--amazing scene REGARDLESS OF IF YOU TAPPED HIM."
He's a LOVE INTEREST. If they didn't want to treat him as such then they shouldn't have made him an LI in ME2.
"Also, your petition isn't "more dialogue for Thane." Its "SAVE THANE." and i object that his death should be redone in any way or taken away, as it was one of the best scenes in the game."
We only want the option to save him.
IMO my Shepard looked only slightly displeased. I definately wouldn't call her ripe with emotion.
"--amazing scene REGARDLESS OF IF YOU TAPPED HIM."
He's a LOVE INTEREST. If they didn't want to treat him as such then they shouldn't have made him an LI in ME2.
"Also, your petition isn't "more dialogue for Thane." Its "SAVE THANE." and i object that his death should be redone in any way or taken away, as it was one of the best scenes in the game."
We only want the option to save him.
#300
Posté 25 mars 2012 - 06:42
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@Bloodhound
There are reasons in every page of this thread as to why we believe Thane's romance arc was ignored. We also wished for choices, especially when it came to a romanced Thane. Choices in an RPG are a good thing. Choices mean more content, more replayability. If what they gave us in me3 was enough for you, then good. It wasn't for us, and nothing you say, will change our minds on that. Just as you will not change your mind about considering what we have stated in these threads....repeatedly. So, as a matter of peaceful accord, feel free to return to your me3 endings petition, and leave us to ours. It has ZERO effect on your thread.
Oh, and understand something; most of us may WISH to save Thane, but we are not under the delusion that we will receive any such concession from bw. Nor is bw under any obligation to do so. Still doesn't mean I won't voice my opinion about Thane Krios' character in me3, in a Thane Thread.
There are reasons in every page of this thread as to why we believe Thane's romance arc was ignored. We also wished for choices, especially when it came to a romanced Thane. Choices in an RPG are a good thing. Choices mean more content, more replayability. If what they gave us in me3 was enough for you, then good. It wasn't for us, and nothing you say, will change our minds on that. Just as you will not change your mind about considering what we have stated in these threads....repeatedly. So, as a matter of peaceful accord, feel free to return to your me3 endings petition, and leave us to ours. It has ZERO effect on your thread.
Oh, and understand something; most of us may WISH to save Thane, but we are not under the delusion that we will receive any such concession from bw. Nor is bw under any obligation to do so. Still doesn't mean I won't voice my opinion about Thane Krios' character in me3, in a Thane Thread.
