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[disc0nnect7]

mnomaha wrote...

....Mystery to me... I see what you did there.

The things you guys get up to when I'm not around.

I may be currently reading that fanfic.....it is intense.

[mnomaha]

It is one of my absolute favourites!!

[Emeraldfern]

I can haz Link to fanfic?

Also I might add that we have two other supporters from irl: my brother and his friend, they both thought Thane's death was lame and unfair to those who romanced him.
(Even if they always play MShep with Miranda/Tali as their favorites)

[Newnation]

Why is it that the save Thane Krios petition shows up after Mass Effect 3 comes out when the second or third thing that comes out of his mouth in ME 2 was, "I'm dying." Honestly, I thought his and Mordin's death were handled extremely well. Thane's death also made the developing rivalry between Kai Leng and Shepard more personal.

[Visii]

Newnation wrote...

Why is it that the save Thane Krios petition shows up after Mass Effect 3 comes out when the second or third thing that comes out of his mouth in ME 2 was, "I'm dying." Honestly, I thought his and Mordin's death were handled extremely well. Thane's death also made the developing rivalry between Kai Leng and Shepard more personal.

Because the fourth thing that comes out of his mouth on the Normandy in ME2 was, "The Hanar are working on a cure. They should be able to adapt us."

[Taavo]

Does nobody read the posts before they reply?

[Visii]

Taavo wrote...

Does nobody read the posts before they reply?

Seems not.

We appear to be surrounded by idiots illterates.

[Prism]

As I said many times: Thane as a character is very much defined by his imminent death. He died a good death. Better romance? Sure, whatever. But cure? No thank you. Deal with it.

[Bloodhound66]

I apologise for my trolling. I definitely don't want to start a getting a negative reputation around the forums.

You're all absolutely right; If enough people agree that Thane's LI dialogue was lacking, I have no real reason to object. I was adament in defending the scene because I thought it was amazingly well done, and the prayer part caught me off guard.

I do remember walking through the Normandy afterwards, wondering why no one wpuld talk about it. If he were a LI, I can see how this would fall short.

@visii

Sorry for attacking this thread with such animosity. It kinda sounded absurd at first, (Ya know, like, "Lets petition this now!") but I can see the points being made. Sincere apologies to you, and everyone else I offended.

[Thane64]

As a dude i didnt romanced Thane (i romanced Miri ) but i really wished that there would have been some way to save my favourite character ever. I remember a rumor going around before release that one of the side missions would take place on the Hanar home wold and you would cure Thane's kepral syndrome, and i was really disapointed that it didnt happen :'(

[sunnie7699]

Newnation wrote...

Why is it that the save Thane Krios petition shows up after Mass Effect 3 comes out when the second or third thing that comes out of his mouth in ME 2 was, "I'm dying." Honestly, I thought his and Mordin's death were handled extremely well. Thane's death also made the developing rivalry between Kai Leng and Shepard more personal.

*slams head on desk*

I wonder if there is a broken "I don't understand why you guys are pissed. He was always going to die" record lying around that people constantly feel the need to play on this thread...

[Visii]

Prismvg wrote...

As I said many times: Thane as a character is very much defined by his imminent death. He died a good death. Better romance? Sure, whatever. But cure? No thank you. Deal with it.

My mother is dying of pancreatic cancer. Did she cease to be a human being once she was diagnosed with the disease? Did she lose all facets of her personality because she has a terminal illness? Did she not have a life before the test results came in?

Of course not. So why should it be any different with fictional characters, that are supposed to be portrayed as complex, three-dimensional and realistic?

An optional cure in no way, shape, or form affects your gameplay. You denying an option for us affect ours.

Modifié par Visii, 25 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[sunnie7699]

Thane64 wrote...

As a dude i didnt romanced Thane (i romanced Miri ) but i really wished that there would have been some way to save my favourite character ever. I remember a rumor going around before release that one of the side missions would take place on the Hanar home wold and you would cure Thane's kepral syndrome, and i was really disapointed that it didnt happen :'(

THANKYOU. Finally, someone who didn't romance him that has their facts straight!

[mnomaha]

Sometimes you just have to stop posting and read the Thane lemons. And that's what I'm going to do.

Emerald...Couldn't pm you so linked it on the main Thane thread.

[Prism]

Visii wrote...

My mother is dying of pancreatic cancer. Did she cease to be a human being once she was diagnosed with the disease? Did she lose all facets of her personality because she has a terminal illness? Did she not have a life before the test results came in?

I am very sorry about your mother and I wish all the best for her.
As for bringing it up into this context... no comment.

[sunnie7699]

Prismvg wrote...

As I said many times: Thane as a character is very much defined by his imminent death. He died a good death. Better romance? Sure, whatever. But cure? No thank you. Deal with it.

Try having someone close to you with a terminal illness and see if you still feel that they are 'very much defined by their imminent death'. Maybe it has a great affect on who he is but it's not what defines him. Thane is a character that many of us are attached to, and clearly you must not have paid much attention to his character if you think he is just defined by his illness.

[LucyMaire]

@Newnation
So...Thane was used to make the rivalry between Kai Leng and Shep more personal. What a great way to waste such a good character. On an assassin who hides behind gunships and uses a fricken sword.
Wonderful.

[Visii]

Prismvg wrote...

Visii wrote...

My mother is dying of pancreatic cancer. Did she cease to be a human being once she was diagnosed with the disease? Did she lose all facets of her personality because she has a terminal illness? Did she not have a life before the test results came in?

I am very sorry about your mother and I wish all the best for her.
As for bringing it up into this context... no comment.

And what's the matter for bringing it up in this context?

You can leave if it makes you uncomfortable. But seeing as I have no problem sharing, I can't see why you have any reason to object to it.

[RShara]

Bloodhound66 wrote...

@visii

Wow, everything im trying to say is just going right over your head. And now your just putting different tones on the way I wrote my objection to make me look like I'm just an arrogant ass.

Your petitioning to change the entire scene. That's unnecessary. If it was just "we'd like some more LI dialogue with thane." i wouldnt have said a thing.

Please stop, to say figuratively, "putting words in my mouth" and please see that i just think to take an amazing scene out for more LI closure is entirely unnecassary and is a very one sided argument to those of us who dont have thane as a LI and are "happy with how it was handled."

@Bloodhound: W e are not asking that the scene be changed for a NONROMANCED Thane.  As it stands, it's a nice scene for a squadmate and friend.
We are asking for an ALTERNATE OPTION for those who ROMANCED Thane.  Because that scene is very lacking for a romanced option.
We are also ASKING for an OPTION to save him, again for Loyal Romanced Thanes.  This wouldn't change the arc for anyone who didn't want to save him, or who thinks (for whatever bizarre reason) that his illness "defined" him.  

Why is that such a difficult thing to understand, or such a horrible thing to ask for?

[Prism]

sunnie7699 wrote...

Prismvg wrote...

As I said many times: Thane as a character is very much defined by his imminent death. He died a good death. Better romance? Sure, whatever. But cure? No thank you. Deal with it.

Try having someone close to you with a terminal illness and see if you still feel that they are 'very much defined by their imminent death'. Maybe it has a great affect on who he is but it's not what defines him. Thane is a character that many of us are attached to, and clearly you must not have paid much attention to his character if you think he is just defined by his illness.

Given the fact that among my many malesheps I have a single femshep for whom I chose a Thane romance throughout the trilogy, I think it's safe to assume I have spent a fair amount of time "paying attention".
Ok, "defined" may have been poorly chosen. "Shaped" may be better. The fact is some people saw it coming for two years and still can't accept it. I have accepted his death. Good luck with your fight for his cure.

[RShara]

Prismvg wrote...

As I said many times: Thane as a character is very much defined by his imminent death. He died a good death. Better romance? Sure, whatever. But cure? No thank you. Deal with it.

Thane:  Explicitly did not want to die in a hospital bed.  Dies in a hospital bed.  Best assassin in the galaxy, trained his entire life, pure dedication, close combat and weaponry expert.  Gets stabbed.  Dies in a hospital bed.  Ill or not, he should have been able to take down Kai Leng in the fight that they had.  A more fitting end for his character would be a mutual kill--he takes out Kai Leng, but dies in the process.  That would have been acceptable.   Additionally, if your FemShep romanced him in ME2, other than a single short scene, there is absolutely no acknowledgement of this.  He doesn't even unlock the Paramour achievement.  What?  Also, for us Thane fans, BioWare totally gave false hope.  They had several features of our Cure for Thane banner.  And then he dies in a hospital bed.  Yes, there is a lot of bitterness here!  Now I'm not asking for rainbows and bunny rabbits, but I could see lots of ways for a more satisfactory conclusion than what there was--ranging from the pathos to the joyous.

Thane was never "destined" to die. The writers in ME2 said they weren't sure where they were going to take the character.

In the leaked script, there were several options where Thane takes a bullet during the Coup, to stop Udina. In one of the options, he pulls off "A slick move" and stops Udina, and just looks "out of breath."

Mordin can magically cure the genophage in a few weeks, but no one can cure drell in years? From a bacterial infection? And we're not talking just 1 person, but an entire race.

From LotSB, you see Thane is a candidate for a transplant but declined. It is not specified whether this is BEFORE or after romancing Shepard.

It's only been 6 months or so since the end of ME2 (Arrival). Thane says that he as told he had 3 months to live 9 months ago. So..............he was 3 months PAST his expected life expectancy when he agreed to join up (and kicked ass)???

The doctor you talk to when you go to see Thane says that they had a problem with lack of drell blood for transfusion. Shepard offers to find some, and boom, Kolyat is there. Granted, he can't give ALL of his blood to Thane, but he should be able to donate a good bit. Certainly enough to buy enough time for Shepard to find more (fetch mission to Kahje?). I mean, you go fetching like, flags, and stuff. Wouldn't be any more ridiculous than that.

Thane's also the only ME2 squadmate that doesn't have at least some sort of sidemission, even a Running-Around-The-Citadel type mission.

What would make sense is that, if you romanced him in ME2, you have the OPTION to talk him in to a transplant. If he agrees, (and maybe if your Reputation is high enough) then he is strong enough to recover from the fight with Kai Leng. Strength of will, will to live makes a HUGE difference in survival odds. This isn't even a cure, but it's something that would extend him through ME 3, and leave the rest to......SPECULATION.

Modifié par RShara, 25 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[sunnie7699]

Prismvg wrote...

Visii wrote...

My mother is dying of pancreatic cancer. Did she cease to be a human being once she was diagnosed with the disease? Did she lose all facets of her personality because she has a terminal illness? Did she not have a life before the test results came in?

I am very sorry about your mother and I wish all the best for her.
As for bringing it up into this context... no comment.

Well maybe you shouldn't have cut the part of her post where she explains why she brought it up in this context when you quoted her?

[sunnie7699]

Prismvg wrote...

sunnie7699 wrote...

Prismvg wrote...

As I said many times: Thane as a character is very much defined by his imminent death. He died a good death. Better romance? Sure, whatever. But cure? No thank you. Deal with it.

Try having someone close to you with a terminal illness and see if you still feel that they are 'very much defined by their imminent death'. Maybe it has a great affect on who he is but it's not what defines him. Thane is a character that many of us are attached to, and clearly you must not have paid much attention to his character if you think he is just defined by his illness.

Given the fact that among my many malesheps I have a single femshep for whom I chose a Thane romance throughout the trilogy, I think it's safe to assume I have spent a fair amount of time "paying attention".
Ok, "defined" may have been poorly chosen. "Shaped" may be better. The fact is some people saw it coming for two years and still can't accept it. I have accepted his death. Good luck with your fight for his cure.

Well at least you went from 'deal with it' to 'good luck with your fight', even if it had sarcastic undertones

[sunnie7699]

Bloodhound66 wrote...

I apologise for my trolling. I definitely don't want to start a getting a negative reputation around the forums.

You're all absolutely right; If enough people agree that Thane's LI dialogue was lacking, I have no real reason to object. I was adament in defending the scene because I thought it was amazingly well done, and the prayer part caught me off guard.

I do remember walking through the Normandy afterwards, wondering why no one wpuld talk about it. If he were a LI, I can see how this would fall short.

@visii

Sorry for attacking this thread with such animosity. It kinda sounded absurd at first, (Ya know, like, "Lets petition this now!") but I can see the points being made. Sincere apologies to you, and everyone else I offended.

Thank you You are forgiven, at least by me.

[RShara]

I don't understand the, "Defined by his illness." statements. How exactly is a character defined by one single attribute?
It's like saying, Garrus is defined by his dead team. Or Miranda is defined by her father. They all have FLAWS, but the whole point of Mass Effect for a lot of us is to conquer the flaws and succeed.

Thane is defined by his PAST, just as any other person, place, or thing. His illness is a part of him, but it doesn't DEFINE him.
In fact, his relationship with his son is MUCH more important to him than his future death.

We're all going to die. Are we all defined by death? I think not. I think what's important is not that he's ill and going to die, but that he is an interesting character in and of himself, that deserves more than a perfunct conversation and a single (questionably) interesting fight/cutscene.