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[PsyrenY]

Aello89 wrote...


How exactly does my choice of choosing an OPTION A diminish your decision of picking OPTION B ?
 
Also how can allowing OPTION A (for other players then you) make you all unhappy if you can still pick OPTION B?

But you can apply that logic to any character's sacrifice. On Virmire, why can't we save both Ashley and Kaidan? Clearly if I want to save them both in my game, and you want one of them to die in your game, Bioware should accommodate both courses of action, right? 

Or Mordin - why do I have to choose between keeping him alive and curing the genophage? Who cares if he's had a full life - he can atone after I lie to the Krogan and gain their support.

And why can't I make a backup copy of Legion? He's just simple software, right, no complex character in there at all. Why should he have to sacrifice himself if I want to keep him around? Shepard's a god, s/he should be able to keep anyone from dying. Slap in the face from Bioware.

[mnomaha]

Squeegee83 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

LMAO innocent...hahahahaaaaaaa

i swear my body made me do it, not my soul. *coughs, gags... chokes* lol

...carrots?

[Yermogi]

I signed as well.

For me, it's not so much that Thane dies that bothers me- it's the fact that HIS ROMANCE IS HARDLY ACKNOWLEDGED AT ALL, EVEN BY A ROMANCED SHEPARD. This is called NEGLIGENCE and is unfair to everyone who romanced him. If Thane has said to Shepard that he loves her and wants to fight to live in ME2, then THIS SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN ME3, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER HE LIVES OR DIES.

A cure would, of course, be nice. But I will happily settle for Thane and Shepard sharing a last loving moment rather than having a generic dialogue that was given to Shepard whether he was romance or not. 

I won't deny that his being killed by Kai Leng was a great sacrifice, and it motivated my Shepard who was his friend. It would motivate anyone who was his friend. But to a Shepard who loved him and slept with him and wanted to be with him, it should be heartbreaking, and the dialogue should be reflected with that in mind.

Also- would it be SO DAMN HARD for them to have SOMEONE (Liara, Garrus, even Joker) try to comfort a mourning Shepard? I don't think so.

Modifié par Yermogi, 26 mars 2012 - 12:27 .

[mnomaha]

@Yermogi...exactly! I would fight for a cure, but if that's not possible, at least have it make a difference. Give his miserably written death some meaning for MY Shepard in MY game. Not this generic hastily written death scene that didn't have to happen. I'm waiting for the crew to say "Thane who?", but even that would require acknowledgement that he actually existed.

Shame on you bw!

[Yermogi]

SIGN THE PETITION PEOPLE, PLEASE! If there's anyone you know who hasn't seen this thread and doesn't know about this petition, tell them to come here and sign it! I KNOW there must be at LEAST 1000 people out there who are unhappy with the state of the ME2 LIs!

[Visii]

You should go into some of the groups and raise awareness there. Sometimes people there don't venture out into the general forums.

[Yermogi]

Really? Which groups? How do I find them?

[MisterJB]

Optimystic_X wrote...
But you can apply that logic to any character's sacrifice. On Virmire, why can't we save both Ashley and Kaidan? Clearly if I want to save them both in my game, and you want one of them to die in your game, Bioware should accommodate both courses of action, right? 

Or Mordin - why do I have to choose between keeping him alive and curing the genophage? Who cares if he's had a full life - he can atone after I lie to the Krogan and gain their support.

And why can't I make a backup copy of Legion? He's just simple software, right, no complex character in there at all. Why should he have to sacrifice himself if I want to keep him around? Shepard's a god, s/he should be able to keep anyone from dying. Slap in the face from Bioware.

The difference is that in the situations you described; with the exception of Legion's; Shepard actually had a choice in the matter.
You can't cure the Genophage and save Mordin but you can choose one. The same thing applies to the Virmire Decision.
However, in Thane's case, there simply is no choice.

If you talk to Thane, he dies. If you choose to not talk to Thane, he will still die. And to add insult to injury, he is not even essential to save the Councilor, Kirrahe can replace him. Worse, even if the salarian dies, it has no lasting consequences.
His role has no impact. It's in the game to please his fans and even that it has failed to do.
How about something in the lines of what happens in Kasumi's mission?
Shepard has to make a choice. Thane can receive a cure that will allow him to join the war effort or he can delete the virus that will leave the hanar defenseless against the Reapers.

Modifié par MisterJB, 26 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[sunnie7699]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Aello89 wrote...


How exactly does my choice of choosing an OPTION A diminish your decision of picking OPTION B ?
 
Also how can allowing OPTION A (for other players then you) make you all unhappy if you can still pick OPTION B?

But you can apply that logic to any character's sacrifice. On Virmire, why can't we save both Ashley and Kaidan? Clearly if I want to save them both in my game, and you want one of them to die in your game, Bioware should accommodate both courses of action, right? 

Or Mordin - why do I have to choose between keeping him alive and curing the genophage? Who cares if he's had a full life - he can atone after I lie to the Krogan and gain their support.

And why can't I make a backup copy of Legion? He's just simple software, right, no complex character in there at all. Why should he have to sacrifice himself if I want to keep him around? Shepard's a god, s/he should be able to keep anyone from dying. Slap in the face from Bioware.

See, even in those cases where characters die, there was always a choice to save them or lose something else. They didn't have to make it easy, there could have been a consequence to saving Thane but weren't even given that choice, it was just 'he dies' or 'he dies later offscreen'.

[PsyrenY]

For the record I do agree with several points made here. Romanced Thane and non-romanced Thane should indeed have more differentiated dialogue, and I'd also be fine with more talking about Thane on the Normandy itself.

I just don't think it's fair to call Bioware out on "bad writing" when they executed on the very thing they said they were going to, and gave him a badass send-off too.

MisterJB wrote...

Shepard has to make a choice. Thane can receive a cure that will allow him to join the war effort or he can delete the virus that will leave the hanar defenseless against the Reapers.

That choice is no choice at all. Kaidan vs. Ashley is a sacrifice that actually gives you some pause; so does Mordin vs. Genophage Cure (or perhaps more poignantly, Mordin vs. Wrex.)

But Thane vs. some nameless Hanar that work out to, what,  -20 EMS? -50? There'd be no point to even including that as an option.

sunnie7699 wrote...

See, even in those cases where characters die, there was always a choice to save them or lose something else. They didn't have to make it easy, there could have been a consequence to saving Thane but weren't even given that choice, it was just 'he dies' or 'he dies later offscreen'.

Perhaps. Would he have wanted you to sacrifice for him? (Would his wife?)

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 26 mars 2012 - 01:36 .

[MisterJB]

Optimystic_X wrote...

That choice is no choice at all. Kaidan vs. Ashley is a sacrifice that actually gives you some pause; so does Mordin vs. Genophage Cure (or perhaps more poignantly, Mordin vs. Wrex.)

But Thane vs. some nameless Hanar that work out to, what,  -20 EMS? -50? There'd be no point to even including that as an option.

I meant it as Thane vs Kahje. The virus would deactivate the planetary defense network thus leaving the hanar race; and by extent, the drell; defenseless against the Reapers.

[sunnie7699]

Optimystic_X wrote...

For the record I do agree with several points made here. Romanced Thane and non-romanced Thane should indeed have more differentiated dialogue, and I'd also be fine with more talking about Thane on the Normandy itself.

I just don't think it's fair to call Bioware out on "bad writing" when they executed on the very thing they said they were going to, and gave him a badass send-off too.

MisterJB wrote...

Shepard has to make a choice. Thane can receive a cure that will allow him to join the war effort or he can delete the virus that will leave the hanar defenseless against the Reapers.

That choice is no choice at all. Kaidan vs. Ashley is a sacrifice that actually gives you some pause; so does Mordin vs. Genophage Cure (or perhaps more poignantly, Mordin vs. Wrex.)

But Thane vs. some nameless Hanar that work out to, what,  -20 EMS? -50? There'd be no point to even including that as an option.

sunnie7699 wrote...

See, even in those cases where characters die, there was always a choice to save them or lose something else. They didn't have to make it easy, there could have been a consequence to saving Thane but weren't even given that choice, it was just 'he dies' or 'he dies later offscreen'.

Perhaps. Would he have wanted you to sacrifice for him? (Would his wife?)

It depends on how big the sacrifice is. And actually, now that I think about it, there isn't a single LI that you have to sacrifice something big in order to save them. Even on Virmire, you had the choice to save your LI. With Miranda and Jack and Tali in ME3 you just had to warn them/help them/have enough paragon to save them. Why didn't we get an option like that? And not to mention Jacob not getting anything at all..

[Redrose2727]

I'm really just a lurker so I never post anything on here, plus on top of being super peeved about this game something happened with my ea and bsn account so I couldn't post at all . I actually went through hell and back trying to fix the account mess I was in just so I could rant about Thane.....That’s how depressed I was lol.
Anyway I have signed the petition and I really hope they make some kind of DLC for him, I know I would gladly shell out the cash just so I can have a little closure.


bleh don't even get me started on the ending......

Modifié par Redrose2727, 26 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[mnomaha]

Welcome Redrose. We seem to be in agreement..on everything. Good start, **** middle, ****tastic ending.

[Redrose2727]

mnomaha wrote...

Welcome Redrose. We seem to be in agreement..on everything. Good start, **** middle, ****tastic ending.

Well thank you for the welcome! It's such a shame how they treated all the ME2 LI so I hope they give a little something for everyone, but Thane and Jacob got shafted the most by far...
I am also getting irritated that the game either keeps pushing me towards either the VS or Liara (Thane I did not come to the hospital to see Kaidan! why can't I say that?) *sigh*. I need to go eat a whole tub of ice cream to feel better haha.

[mnomaha]

Ohhhhh, you're gonna fit in here just right.

Welcome to our own private hell, where the Drell run around nekkid (in my head) and the entire staff at ea/bw ignore us.

Also, would love to see you on our facebook page. The link is in my signature.

Modifié par mnomaha, 26 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[JECW]

Welcome Redrose
That's pretty much how the rest of us feel about it too.

[Nube9]

Hey we got over a hundred signatures, not bad, 1/10 of the way there. Keep sharing in other forums and sites to keep it going, maybe we have a shot at being heard

[N7KnightSabre]

Yermogi wrote...

I signed as well.

For me, it's not so much that Thane dies that bothers me- it's the fact that HIS ROMANCE IS HARDLY ACKNOWLEDGED AT ALL, EVEN BY A ROMANCED SHEPARD. This is called NEGLIGENCE and is unfair to everyone who romanced him. If Thane has said to Shepard that he loves her and wants to fight to live in ME2, then THIS SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN ME3, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER HE LIVES OR DIES.

A cure would, of course, be nice. But I will happily settle for Thane and Shepard sharing a last loving moment rather than having a generic dialogue that was given to Shepard whether he was romance or not. 

I won't deny that his being killed by Kai Leng was a great sacrifice, and it motivated my Shepard who was his friend. It would motivate anyone who was his friend. But to a Shepard who loved him and slept with him and wanted to be with him, it should be heartbreaking, and the dialogue should be reflected with that in mind.

Also- would it be SO DAMN HARD for them to have SOMEONE (Liara, Garrus, even Joker) try to comfort a mourning Shepard? I don't think so.

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[Demonhoopa]

vasht wrote...

RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

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[Visii]

Demonhoopa wrote...

vasht wrote...

RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

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[JECW]

Demonhoopa wrote...

vasht wrote...

RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

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