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[mnomaha]

I voted (shameless bump)

[sunnie7699]

Me too

[OhManTFE]

Does anyone know how the prayer sequence goes if you never got Thane's loyalty or Kolyat escaped during the loyalty quest?

[PrinceLionheart]

JECW wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

vasht wrote...

RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

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This.

Two more people who have nothing better to do.

I don't think it comes down to not having anything better to do. While I think his scenes should've had more closure, I'm also in the camp that is fine with him dying. Infact, considering his character character arc in ME2 was making peace with his son before he finall dies, it makes alot of sense.

[JECW]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

JECW wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

vasht wrote...

RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

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This.

Two more people who have nothing better to do.

I don't think it comes down to not having anything better to do. While I think his scenes should've had more closure, I'm also in the camp that is fine with him dying. Infact, considering his character character arc in ME2 was making peace with his son before he finall dies, it makes alot of sense.

Yes it does because him dying is not the main reason we are angry. If they bothered to read the first page they would know this.
Before people come in here and assume we are just angry because bioware decided to kill him why don't they read what we have to say. Do his romance in ME3 and tell me we don't have a reason to be upset.

Just so it's clear his death is not the main reason we are angry.

Modifié par JECW, 28 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[Demonhoopa]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

JECW wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

vasht wrote...

RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

petition unsupported

This.

Two more people who have nothing better to do.

I don't think it comes down to not having anything better to do. While I think his scenes should've had more closure, I'm also in the camp that is fine with him dying. Infact, considering his character character arc in ME2 was making peace with his son before he finall dies, it makes alot of sense.

Well said. Not only does it make sense but I find it to be necessary. I would have cringed if I fired this game up to find that they shoe horned some Disney scenario into the story so Thane could live. I thought his final scene with his son to be very nice. I've heard the romance was done poorly but have not loaded my "Thane mance" character yet so I wouldn't know.

[JECW]

Demonhoopa wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

JECW wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

vasht wrote...

RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

petition unsupported

This.

Two more people who have nothing better to do.

I don't think it comes down to not having anything better to do. While I think his scenes should've had more closure, I'm also in the camp that is fine with him dying. Infact, considering his character character arc in ME2 was making peace with his son before he finall dies, it makes alot of sense.

Well said. Not only does it make sense but I find it to be necessary. I would have cringed if I fired this game up to find that they shoe horned some Disney scenario into the story so Thane could live. I thought his final scene with his son to be very nice. I've heard the romance was done poorly but have not loaded my "Thane mance" character yet so I wouldn't know.

Thane's death is not the main reason we are angry. What about that don't you understand.

Modifié par JECW, 28 mars 2012 - 07:37 .

[Demonhoopa]

JECW wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

JECW wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

vasht wrote...

RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

petition unsupported

This.

Two more people who have nothing better to do.

I don't think it comes down to not having anything better to do. While I think his scenes should've had more closure, I'm also in the camp that is fine with him dying. Infact, considering his character character arc in ME2 was making peace with his son before he finall dies, it makes alot of sense.

Well said. Not only does it make sense but I find it to be necessary. I would have cringed if I fired this game up to find that they shoe horned some Disney scenario into the story so Thane could live. I thought his final scene with his son to be very nice. I've heard the romance was done poorly but have not loaded my "Thane mance" character yet so I wouldn't know.

Thane's death is not the main reason we are angry. What about that don't you understand.

Did it ever occur to you that I simply don't care? 

Sorry but rage over a video game is beyond my comprehension capabilities. I hope you'll forgive me my limitations in that area.

But I do really like Thane for what it's worth.

[JECW]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Did it ever occur to you that I simply don't care? 

Sorry but rage over a video game is beyond my comprehension capabilities. I hope you'll forgive me my limitations in that area.

But I do really like Thane for what it's worth.

If you don't care then why are you here in this thread. Why waste your time. I'm sure you can find something better to do then to talk about a character you don't even care about.

This is why I say you have nothing better to do.

[RShara]

So....you don't care enough to support a character you like, so you show your not-caring by protesting a thread of people who care enough to protest about the character that you like?

[mnomaha]

...Apparently I need more coffee.

[RShara]

2deep4u

[mnomaha]

It is right now. LOL

I'll be back shortly with more cognitive capabilities.

[Mechler]

Thane was one of my favorites. But bring him back? Worst. Idea. Ever. Now, most of my favorites died(Mordin, Thane ,Legion ,Shepard) but all of them were done because it was meant to be. And all of them were both touching and crazy awesome. In his own words, Thane should have died in his recruitment mission.

[Darth Wraith]

I thought Thane got a great exit. It was stated pretty clearly in ME2 that he was going to die, and then he got to go out in a blaze of glory, complete with a well-crafted farewell scene. Bringing him back somehow would cheapen the whole thing.

[JECW]

RShara wrote...

So....you don't care enough to support a character you like, so you show your not-caring by protesting a thread of people who care enough to protest about the character that you like?

It's because he has nothing better to do.

Modifié par JECW, 28 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[mnomaha]

Apparently, many people have nothing better to do today. Geez.

[JECW]

mnomaha wrote...

Apparently, many people have nothing better to do today. Geez.

Apparently so.
Why bother with a character you don't care about. I just don't get it.

[Demonhoopa]

JECW wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Did it ever occur to you that I simply don't care? 

Sorry but rage over a video game is beyond my comprehension capabilities. I hope you'll forgive me my limitations in that area.

But I do really like Thane for what it's worth.

If you don't care then why are you here in this thread. Why waste your time. I'm sure you can find something better to do then to talk about a character you don't even care about.

This is why I say you have nothing better to do.

Actually I've mostly been in the thread responding to your inane butt hurt rants. If you look, my only contribution to this thread prior to receiving personal attacks was one word:

"This".

But I'll stand by what I said and clarify it for those who apparently need it. I DON'T CARE what it is you ARE or ARE NOT angry about.

I DO CARE if Thane does or does not die in the game which is why I clicked on the thread after reading the title. Thane should die and is dead. Sad but necessary.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 28 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[RShara]

I tend to ignore trolls.

But here's my standard response, for the standard "No he shuld dii"

Thane was never "destined" to die. The writers in ME2 said they weren't sure where they were going to take the character.

Thane's also the only ME2 squadmate that doesn't have at least some sort of sidemission, even a Running-Around-The-Citadel type mission.

What would make sense is that, if you romanced him in ME2, you have the OPTION to talk him in to a transplant. If he agrees, (and maybe if your Reputation is high enough) then he is strong enough to recover from the fight with Kai Leng. Strength of will, will to live makes a HUGE difference in survival odds. This isn't even a cure, but it's something that would extend him through ME 3, and leave the rest to......SPECULATION.


And a quote from one of the other awesome posters:
1) There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2)There was a shameful lack of romantic dialogue.
3) Barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's.
4) Only one, Keprals/VS oriented dialogue with Thane before he died.
5) No shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??
6) The fight with Kai-Leng was stupid (why was Shep+others just standing there? Why close the distance, Thane, when Leng had a sword?) Also, a bit nonsensical and pointless; Thane dies trying to save the Salarian councilor, an act that can be replaced by several other characters, and that has no real connection or significance to Thane.
7) The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's.
8) After he died, no one save Kai-Leng mentioned Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not.

[RShara]

And for those tl;dr: There should have been a choice. And if he did die, there should have been a reaction. Instead, there is a blaring gulf of nothingness where his character was.

[Demonhoopa]

RShara wrote...

And for those tl;dr: There should have been a choice. And if he did die, there should have been a reaction. Instead, there is a blaring gulf of nothingness where his character was.

Fair enough. But life isn't fair. It isn't "everyone gets a trophy" (although some are trying to make it that way, at least in the states). Some of the finest novels and films in history wrenched our guts by killing off a beloved character. There's nothing wrong with that. Sad is good. Apathy is bad.

Your complaint of "lack of reaction" is a valid one however. If they did a crappy job of fleshing out his character, that's a legitimate complaint. But "we should have a choice"? Not so much.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 28 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[RShara]

dead <> good writing

Dead CAN be good writing. The way BW did it doesn't qualify, imo.

Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.

Thane's death was AWESOME for a non-romanced Shepard (leaving aside the question why sword > gun). It was completely wrong for a romanced one.

[Demonhoopa]

RShara wrote...

dead <> good writing

Dead CAN be good writing. The way BW did it doesn't qualify, imo.

Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.

Thane's death was AWESOME for a non-romanced Shepard (leaving aside the question why sword > gun). It was completely wrong for a romanced one.

And there's the crux of it. I've beaten the game 3 times, none of the three characters were Thane romances. I started play #4 last night and this Shepard is a Thane romance character so I'm going to experience the "crappadoodle" everyone's so unhappy about shortly.

I'm sure I'll agree it's crap (although I didn't agree with the room on Jacob, but I digress), but I'd be shocked if I see anything that convinces me there needs to be a "Thane Lives" scenario. But I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. Problem is this particular character is a renegade b*tch on wheels. While she likes Thane, I don't think she's that serious about him. She already stiff armed Liara and gave her the "that was a long time ago, lets just be friends" speech.

Well see.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 28 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[Nube9]

Demonhoopa wrote...

RShara wrote...

And for those tl;dr: There should have been a choice. And if he did die, there should have been a reaction. Instead, there is a blaring gulf of nothingness where his character was.

Fair enough. But life isn't fair. It isn't "everyone gets a trophy" (although some are trying to make it that way, at least in the states). Some of the finest novels and films in history wrenched our guts by killing off a beloved character. There's nothing wrong with that. Sad is good. Apathy is bad.

Your complaint of "lack of reaction" is a valid one however. If they did a crappy job of fleshing out his character, that's a legitimate complaint. But "we should have a choice"? Not so much.

True, deaths can be good plot devices used to incite extreme emotions onto the audience. However in this case it goes against what was promised to players prior to ME3. The whole logic of "the world sucks, **** happens deal with it" while understandable it ignores the purpose of the game, which is to entertain. When a plot device such as this negatively affects the  player's experience it looses something just as important as its artistic integrity,  it looses its audience.
Bioware made a game centered around choices and decisions, removing such critical choices, despite precursors that could have allowed them to do so otherwise, screams more of a budget/popularity omission rather than purely an artistic decision.
I am confident the writers of Mass Effect, specially Thane's original writer who left Bioware, would be able to write an equatially emotionally powerful alternative to his "inevitable death".
Again this thread, like the game, is about choices. We just want a choice

Also, I don't know if you've noticed but women, basically only have two options to romance (not counting Liara, though I love her and Traynor), while men have 6, plus Cortez.