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[RShara]

Keep in mind the conversation you get with a non-romanced Thane, when you go through it.

And also remember: If Shep romanced him in 2, during the pre-Omega 4 scene, he comes to Shep's cabin and tells Shep how she woke him up and he doesn't want to die any more.

[Emeraldfern]

And to add some fuel to the "He didn't want to die after being romanced" fire, this letter:

Siha,

I write this with a heavy hand, knowing you will read this letter when I am no longer able to share my thoughts. I am dying, Siha. Perhaps because of the differences between our species, I can hope that time will treat you with kindness and dim the hurt of my passing to faded recollections that a drell would forever remember with perfect clarity.

Selfishly, however, I could not leave this world without leaving a piece of me behind that would never fade.

I once accepted my fate. Nothing remained but a shell destined to die. I only had to choose the when and how of my passing. I had refused to be confined to a bed, gasping horribly as my life beeped away to machinery I had no use for. I thought of my Irikah, broken, bloodied, and betrayed by my absence. Of Kolyat, small and afraid, bravely pushing at his eyes to stem the flow of tears I had entrusted to him to cry... for both our sakes.

The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am. I was content to simply watch, take the time left given and praise all I know for allowing me to walk my final days with hope and certainty that I am worthy of more than my cold isolation, solely because you believed.

I love you. If all else whispers back into the tide, know this for fact. By grace given me by the Goddess Arashu, I bid her divine protection to you, my warrior-angel, my Siha, to succeed in your destiny. To light your path through the coming darkness. To give you hope, when all seems lost.

I will await you across the sea.

Thane

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and this before the Omega 4 relay:

Thane: I've worked so hard. Meditated and prayed and done good deeds. Atoned for the Evils I've done Shepard.
I should be at peace on the eve of battle. I think of my death and a chill settles in my gut. I'm afraid...and it shames me Siha.

(I could have some minor errors on that quote but that's what I remember)

That does not sound like someone who is at peace with iminent death or to be forgotten...at least not to me.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 28 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[Demonhoopa]

RShara wrote...

Keep in mind the conversation you get with a non-romanced Thane, when you go through it.

And also remember: If Shep romanced him in 2, during the pre-Omega 4 scene, he comes to Shep's cabin and tells Shep how she woke him up and he doesn't want to die any more.

Oh yeah, I remember that. That was SO SAD.

Don't get me all emo. I'm going to lose my man card.

[Demonhoopa]

Nube9 wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

RShara wrote...

And for those tl;dr: There should have been a choice. And if he did die, there should have been a reaction. Instead, there is a blaring gulf of nothingness where his character was.

Fair enough. But life isn't fair. It isn't "everyone gets a trophy" (although some are trying to make it that way, at least in the states). Some of the finest novels and films in history wrenched our guts by killing off a beloved character. There's nothing wrong with that. Sad is good. Apathy is bad.

Your complaint of "lack of reaction" is a valid one however. If they did a crappy job of fleshing out his character, that's a legitimate complaint. But "we should have a choice"? Not so much.

True, deaths can be good plot devices used to incite extreme emotions onto the audience. However in this case it goes against what was promised to players prior to ME3. The whole logic of "the world sucks, **** happens deal with it" while understandable it ignores the purpose of the game, which is to entertain. When a plot device such as this negatively affects the  player's experience it looses something just as important as its artistic integrity,  it looses its audience.
Bioware made a game centered around choices and decisions, removing such critical choices, despite precursors that could have allowed them to do so otherwise, screams more of a budget/popularity omission rather than purely an artistic decision.
I am confident the writers of Mass Effect, specially Thane's original writer who left Bioware, would be able to write an equatially emotionally powerful alternative to his "inevitable death".
Again this thread, like the game, is about choices. We just want a choice

Also, I don't know if you've noticed but women, basically only have two options to romance (not counting Liara, though I love her and Traynor), while men have 6, plus Cortez.

While I don't agree with everything you said, it's well stated and I understand where you're coming from. You make some fine points.

As far as romantic choices, I was very surprised that Vega was not included as a romantic option to even things up. Or maybe Thane or Jacob could come on to your ship like Tali. Basically if someone wants to play Femshep as a straight character, Kaidan better be alive or they better have romanced Garrus in 2. I'm in the position of being a guy that prefers Femshep (I just find the female model to be a superior character. The story is much more impactful for me with her. Personal preference) so I have to really get into role playing the character. What is SHE about. What would SHE want. Has nothing to do with what I like or what I want. If it was, none of my characters would ever romance a guy. But back to your comment, on my second playthrough, I was playing a character who I had RP'd as a straight character and had written and posted quite a bit of fan fic about. She had romanced Kaidan but left him to die on Virmire (very tragic, I liked that), had a fling with Jacob in ME2 while still trying to get over it (him dumping her in ME3 was perfect for this char, as was how poor she handled it. It was so HER). My plan was a happily ever after with Vega. Oops, it's only flirting, no male option. Fail.

And then she died so it didn't matter.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 28 mars 2012 - 11:41 .

[Redrose2727]

I can understand someone not wanting to cure Thane in their game but all we want is the option to save him (you know OPTIONS, what an RPG should have).

Anyway most people here just want some sort of acknowledgement that the relationship exists. I would at least be happy with more than one conversation and the option to say that shep loves him. One creepy makeout scene just does not do it for me sorry; and when my sheps story is almost over she waits as her true love flashes before her eyes and it's....wait for it................liaras ugly mug WTF?......

I guess it's not so bad, he could have ended up like Jacob . I guess at the end of the game I at least got to pick my favorite color lol.

I'm sorry if there are a lot of mistakes in this but I am at work so I had to write this as fast as possible.

Modifié par Redrose2727, 29 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[mnomaha]

@Redrose...I'm with ya, especially the at work part.

Yeah, choices. Acknowledgement that yes, we did love Thane and he mattered, if to no one else, than to us. I don't care that the VS died (scene at the memorial wall) I want to talk about Thane. I want someone besides me to remember him. If he has to die, I want his face to be the last thing I see before *I* die.

At the end of the day, I want to option to not have him die at all. Nothing mandatory for all those that don't, but an option.

[BouncyCaitian]

Thane died with grace and at least went out relatively peacefully surround by those he cared about in the end.

not a bad way to go. quicker than the slow suffication his disease represented

[mnomaha]

Yeah, sure, unless you romanced him.

[Cosmochyck]

BouncyCaitian wrote...

Thane died with grace and at least went out relatively peacefully surround by those he cared about in the end.

not a bad way to go. quicker than the slow suffication his disease represented

That's true, except it's not the way he wanted to go at all.  By the end of ME2 he wanted to live, and had his son, perhaps Shep.  he also specifically said that he didn't want to die in a hospital (if you romanced him you got a letter).  So not great continuity there. 

[edwardhazelden]

Thane Krios despite being terminally ill made one of the best assassins in the galaxy to lose his target at the cost of his already rather short life? Yeah I think I'll be skipping this petition Thane went down like a badass.What else did you want Bioware to do just make him cough and wheeze himself to an early grave or go out in style like he did? Perhaps bring him along on missions as a meat shield while he stopped to catch his breath every 5 minutes perhaps? Loved the character and loved the way he went out.

[Nube9]

Just a quick reminder, to please continue sharing the petition if you can. Even if in the same forum, thread, or fb group, it helps spread the word

[Visii]

A reiteration as to why we're angry about Thane's death from a romanced Thane's perspective:

1) There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2)There was a shameful lack of romantic dialogue.
3) Barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's.
4) Only one, Keprals/VS oriented dialogue with Thane before he died.
5) No shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??
6) The fight with Kai-Leng was stupid (why was Shep+others just standing there? Why close the distance, Thane, when Leng had a sword?) Also, a bit nonsensical and pointless; Thane dies trying to save the Salarian councilor, an act that can be replaced by several other characters, and that has no real connection or significance to Thane.
7) The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's.
8) After he died, no one save Kai-Leng mentioned Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not.
9) Every other ME2 LI can be saved or damned by Shepard's actions (or lack thereof) all but Thane. Parity thy name is Absent in ME3.

Fail.

[Demonhoopa]

mayrabgood wrote...

It really amuses me how people that don't want to petition for Thane come in here and say that they don't want to save him and will skip the petition, but yet they took the time to come in here just to say that. Isn't easier to just ignore it?

Please don't waste your time here and move along if you don't agree. And if you have something to say, read OP first before saying anything since most people who don't agree have never romanced him so they don't know what we are talking about.

You're making assumptions. Maybe some of us like Thane, and want to protect the integrity of the character. He says he's terminally ill the second Shepard meets him, the death fits his story arc.

I just loaded my Thane romance character last night so I haven't experienced the botched romance. So I'm going to assume it's as bad as you are all saying and sign the petition out of empathy.

Besides, I dig Thane. Dude is a boss.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 29 mars 2012 - 12:39 .

[mnomaha]

Thank you Demonhoopa. Your support is welcomed and appreciated.

[Demonhoopa]

Signed.

[Visii]

Demonhoopa wrote...


You're making assumptions. Maybe some of us like Thane, and want to protect the integrity of the character. He says he's terminally ill the second Shepard meets him, the death fits his story arc. I just loaded my Thane romance character last night so I haven't experienced the botched romance. So I'm going to assume it's as bad as you are all saying and sign the petition out of empathy.

Besides, I dig Thane. Dude is a boss.

Read my above post.

The second Thane gets back on the Normandy, he mentions that the Hanar are working on a cure. What integrity of his character are you talking about?


What kind of message is, "dying people are what disease they have?" Most of us did not need the message that, "sometimes, things are out of your control" or "sometimes, people close to you die." Many of us are living that reality, and certainly do not need a second dose of it in the video games we play for recreation. It could have and should have been handled with more care, more respect.

Also, there was one Thane fan whose name escapes me that has Cystic Fibrosis, what they based Thane's Keprals on. How do you think they feel, when Bioware basically told her that she's nothing but the disease?

[RShara]

BouncyCaitian wrote...

Thane died with grace and at least went out relatively peacefully surround by those he cared about in the end.

not a bad way to go. quicker than the slow suffication his disease represented

edwardhazelden wrote...

Thane Krios despite being terminally ill made one of the best assassins in the galaxy to lose his target at the cost of his already rather short life? Yeah I think I'll be skipping this petition Thane went down like a badass.What else did you want Bioware to do just make him cough and wheeze himself to an early grave or go out in style like he did? Perhaps bring him along on missions as a meat shield while he stopped to catch his breath every 5 minutes perhaps? Loved the character and loved the way he went out.

Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.

Thane's death was AWESOME for a non-romanced Shepard (leaving aside the question why sword > gun). It was completely wrong for a romanced one.

Modifié par RShara, 29 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Demonhoopa]

Visii wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...


You're making assumptions. Maybe some of us like Thane, and want to protect the integrity of the character. He says he's terminally ill the second Shepard meets him, the death fits his story arc. I just loaded my Thane romance character last night so I haven't experienced the botched romance. So I'm going to assume it's as bad as you are all saying and sign the petition out of empathy.

Besides, I dig Thane. Dude is a boss.

Read my above post.

The second Thane gets back on the Normandy, he mentions that the Hanar are working on a cure. What integrity of his character are you talking about?


What kind of message is, "dying people are what disease they have?" Most of us did not need the message that, "sometimes, things are out of your control" or "sometimes, people close to you die." Many of us are living that reality, and certainly do not need a second dose of it in the video games we play for recreation. It could have and should have been handled with more care, more respect.

Also, there was one Thane fan whose name escapes me that has Cystic Fibrosis, what they based Thane's Keprals on. How do you think they feel, when Bioware basically told her that she's nothing but the disease?

He also said he'd never live to see the cure, that it is many years away.

The point is dismissing everyone that disagrees as a troll that should just ignore the thread is weak (quite a few have done that here, not you). Besides, I already said I empathize and I signed the petition. I draw the line at being strong armed out of my personal opinion. I think it's a better story if he dies. Period. But I am now in favor of an OPTIONAL scenario (that I will never use) where he survives so that the Thane fans can excercise said option.

I think I've been fair and reasonable enough.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 29 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[RShara]

Demonhoopa, yep you have been fair and reasonable. Some people are considered trolls because they drop in, make a quick un-thought-out post and leave. They don't bother reading the OP, or sticking around to see any of the reasons we are upset (read: That a lot of us are not even necessarily most wanting a cure--a life extension, or even some decent reactions would be better than what we have now, etc).

I think a lot of us are also veerrry bitter

[Demonhoopa]

RShara wrote...

Demonhoopa, yep you have been fair and reasonable. Some people are considered trolls because they drop in, make a quick un-thought-out post and leave. They don't bother reading the OP, or sticking around to see any of the reasons we are upset (read: That a lot of us are not even necessarily most wanting a cure--a life extension, or even some decent reactions would be better than what we have now, etc).

I think a lot of us are also veerrry bitter

I'm sure my b*tchy renegade red head that I just loaded will be bitter when she gets to the Thane part of the story and get's short changed.



"What the f*ck? That's IT?"
- Sam Shepard.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 29 mars 2012 - 12:59 .

[mnomaha]

We welcome ****Shep's support too!

[Dessalines]

Actually, I like my renegade female shep's reaction to Thane's death, but I did not romance him. It is one of the better deaths that I can recall in the game's history. The death scene, not the fight scene. Yeah, the fight scene does not make any sense. I would like to believe we saw the slow down version of the fight, but it was much faster. If we did not see the slow down version, you do have to ask why did anyone else just shoot, biotic charge, warp, etc, Kei Lang?
I know why they did the scene, but wouldn't the scene have been better if it was just Thane stopping the assasination. Thane versus  Kei Lang with his group of phantoms. He still backhands Kei Lang, then Thanet takes down most of the phantoms, and then Kei Lang stabs him in the back just as you finally get down there. That would have been better death. Shoot, showing Thane taking down Cerebus agents on his way to the place would have been a better scene. He just tells you that he is near death, and you don't get the option to tell him to stay hidden. You get to tell Reegar that in Mass Effect 2, and he is not even near death. It is bit forced
I do not think that Kasumi's mission should have been givin to Thane. I do not think wanting to live or waiting for a cure is the same as a guarantee. Everyone who is facing death finally accepts it. That being said, after seeing all the scenes on youtube. It is a jip
Really, for some reason female shep gets jip in most relations.
Thane dies
Jacob moves on.
Male shep gets all of his choices from pasr series.
So basically if you let Kaidan die, then you are basically had to romance Garrus, or Liara. That is really weird. I romanced Liara, but it kinda messed up that male shep gets all of his choices and femshep only gets Garrus or Kaidan.
I do agree you have a valid claim.

Modifié par Dessalines, 29 mars 2012 - 01:58 .

[coldwetn0se]

Dessalines wrote...

Actually, I like my renegade female shep's reaction to Thane's death, but I did not romance him. It is one of the better deaths that I can recall in the game's history. The death scene, not the fight scene. Yeah, the fight scene does not make any sense. I would like to believe we saw the slow down version of the fight, but it was much faster. If we did not see the slow down version, you do have to ask why did anyone else just shoot, biotic charge, warp, etc, Kei Lang?
I know why they did the scene, but wouldn't the scene have been better if it was just Thane stopping the assasination. Thane versus  Kei Lang with his group of phantoms. He still backhands Kei Lang, then Thanet takes down most of the phantoms, and then Kei Lang stabs him in the back just as you finally get down there. That would have been better death. Shoot, showing Thane taking down Cerebus agents on his way to the place would have been a better scene. He just tells you that he is near death, and you don't get the option to tell him to stay hidden. You get to tell Reegar that in Mass Effect 2, and he is not even near death. It is bit forced
I do not think that Kasumi's mission should have been givin to Thane. I do not think wanting to live or waiting for a cure is the same as a guarantee. Everyone who is facing death finally accepts it. That being said, after seeing all the scenes on youtube. It is a jip
Really, for some reason female shep gets jip in most relations.
Thane dies
Jacob moves on.
Male shep gets all of his choices from pasr series.
So basically if you let Kaidan die, then you are basically had to romance Garrus, or Liara. That is really weird. I romanced Liara, but it kinda messed up that male shep gets all of his choices and femshep only gets Garrus or Kaidan.
I do agree you have a valid claim.

Thank you for your thoughts.  For me, I don't actually believe they will change anything.  But, I was (as were many) hoping for choices, and for Thane to have a bit of character autonomy (i.e. based on players choices in ME2, friended/romanced/successful LM) he could have chosen something, like the transplant, during the six months Shep was under house arrest, to extend his life.  They obviously went a different wayyyyy.  Love choices in RPG's (even "light" ones").  Was hoping for them; didn't get them.  Maybe this noise will at the very least set a few things right.  Too bad it won't be enough for me, but then, they didn't develop the game just for a coldwetn0se!

[Redrose2727]

Demonhoopa wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

It really amuses me how people that don't want to petition for Thane come in here and say that they don't want to save him and will skip the petition, but yet they took the time to come in here just to say that. Isn't easier to just ignore it?

Please don't waste your time here and move along if you don't agree. And if you have something to say, read OP first before saying anything since most people who don't agree have never romanced him so they don't know what we are talking about.

You're making assumptions. Maybe some of us like Thane, and want to protect the integrity of the character. He says he's terminally ill the second Shepard meets him, the death fits his story arc.

I just loaded my Thane romance character last night so I haven't experienced the botched romance. So I'm going to assume it's as bad as you are all saying and sign the petition out of empathy.

Besides, I dig Thane. Dude is a boss.

Don't worry Demonhoopa I think most people in here see that you're not a troll and are very reasonable. You take the time to make well thought out articulate answers (even though I don't agree that his death fits his story arc if you romance him) and you have a right to state your opinions just like everyone else. Thank you for your support!