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Very well written Visii
I think you make a very good point


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What was Upsetting: It's Mr.Thane Krios, not Mr.Kepr Al Syndrome.

- Thane was a fascinating character with a well-thought-out and developed past and personality. And while the Kepral's Syndrome perhaps adds to the urgency of his character, most of his fans have never defined himself by it. He was a Drell, a child taking part in the Compact, an assassin for the Hanar Illuminated Primacy, a lover of reading, a husband, a father, a reader of philosophy, a widower, and an absentee-by-necessity father, all before he was a man dying of Keprals.

At the end of the romance in ME 2, it was satisfying to see Thane stop defining himself by it. That was his character arch: he no longer believed or could accept that he was the equivalent of a dead man walking because of the disease. He had something to live for; his son and Shepard. For the first time ever since he had met Irikah and lost her, he wanted to live. A mental victory over the Syndrome at the very least.

When found on the Citadel in ME3, his being was entirely defined by his severely advanced Kepral's Syndrome. The majority of his only conversation with Shepard, romanced or otherwise, was about the disease. He didn't die because of Kai Leng (had he gotten that wound without Kepral's he would have been fine after surgery, as the doctor noted) but because of Kepral's Syndrome. Even if Shepard didn't find him at Huerta hospital, and consequently didn't get involved with assassination attempt? He still died of Keprals. He didn't want to die in a hospital bed, as said in his Lair of the Shadow Broker Letter, and yet, that is where and how he died.

When people say, "The whole point of his character was that he was dying," well those people are patently wrong. And having written him that way in ME3 was worse.

What kind of message is, "dying people are what disease they have?" My mother is dying of pancreatic cancer. Is she only the disease? Did she cease to be a person once she was diagnosed with it? Has she lost all facets of her personality because she is now a dying woman? Of course not. Why should it be any different with Thane? I only bring this up because I am, of course, not the only one who is watching a loved one suffer from a terrible, debilitating illness. For those of us who are or have, there was a strong connection with Shepard. That made Thane's death all the more terrible to watch. We did not need the message that, "sometimes, things are out of your control" or "sometimes, people close to you die." Many of us are living that reality, and certainly do not need a second dose of it in the video games we play for recreation. It could have and should have been handled with more care, more respect.



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Thanks Squeegee.
Im sorry for your loss.

Yea,to those that didn't romance him at all  his death must have been a glorious way to die.

But for us that did, I feel like I need to repeat this, it was really poorly done.
Its like he  simply disappeared altogether. 
The only thing we get is his name on the wall, none of the other characters even mention him, and then Shepard's reaction through out the entire ordeal was anticlimatic and lacked any of the emotion that should have been there.

It's fine if you, mostly non-romanced sheps, like the way he died, to you it makes perfect sense, that is understandable.
But having a choice is not bad.
Bioware's talented writers could make it a hard choice, and a challenging quest to finish.

Besides, what if you could have him back as a squadmate? He was ME2 poster boy and one of the most well liked characters in the ME universe.


Thank you *hugs*

It was a glorious way to die for those who did not romance him. I watched the whole thing on youtube, I thought it was great and made sense. However when you see it from the otherside, it was just sloppy and done extremely poorly. I felt like my heart was ripped out and nobody gave a **** about it. (lol, excuse my language)

Of course an option is not a bad idea. I believed it was just common sense to have an option. Ya can't force one opinion on an entire group. There was some who believe Thane was defined by his illness and then there was those who did not. An option would have made it fair. Can you imagine if Liara had a sloppy death scene with no option to save her? The entire world would just explode.

If I had Thane back as a squadmate I would dance around in circles. Garrus and himself was my team in ME2 and I miss that very much.

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See, there definitely shouldn't be a magical cure for Thane. That would be cliche and almost as offensive as what has happened in game.
I think that if you romanced him, and got the conversation where he no longer wants to die, then when you import your game, you should have the option to go on a quest to save him. You can save Miranda depending on your decisions, why can't you save Thane?
If Thane were strong enough he should have been able to drive off Kai Leng without being seriously hurt (accepting the fact that Kai Leng has impenetrable plot armor).

Thane was never "destined" to die. The writers in ME2 said they weren't sure where they were going to take the character.

In the leaked script, there were several options where Thane takes a bullet during the Coup, to stop Udina. In one of the options, he pulls off "A slick move" and stops Udina, and just looks "out of breath."

Mordin can magically cure the genophage in a few weeks, but no one can cure drell in years? From a bacterial infection? And we're not talking just 1 person, but an entire race.

From LotSB, you see Thane is a candidate for a transplant but declined. It is not specified whether this is BEFORE or after romancing Shepard.

It's only been 6 months or so since the end of ME2 (Arrival). Thane says that he as told he had 3 months to live 9 months ago. So..............he was 3 months PAST his expected life expectancy when he agreed to join up (and kicked ass)???

The doctor you talk to when you go to see Thane says that they had a problem with lack of drell blood for transfusion. Shepard offers to find some, and boom, Kolyat is there. Granted, he can't give ALL of his blood to Thane, but he should be able to donate a good bit. Certainly enough to buy enough time for Shepard to find more (fetch mission to Kahje?). I mean, you go fetching like, flags, and stuff. Wouldn't be any more ridiculous than that.

Thane's also the only ME2 squadmate that doesn't have at least some sort of sidemission, even a Running-Around-The-Citadel type mission.

What would make sense is that, if you romanced him in ME2, you have the OPTION to talk him in to a transplant. If he agrees, (and maybe if your Reputation is high enough) then he is strong enough to recover from the fight with Kai Leng. Strength of will, will to live makes a HUGE difference in survival odds. This isn't even a cure, but it's something that would extend him through ME 3, and leave the rest to......SPECULATION.

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vasht wrote...

RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

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RShara wrote...

You can save Miranda depending on your decisions, why can't you save Thane?


Perhaps it might be due to the fact that SHE'S not terminally ill?

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lol, I like this so much
I made both of those faces

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Wrex/Wreave/krogan females are largely infertile, and they got cured.
The rachni queen was dead
Shepard was dead

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RShara wrote...

Wrex/Wreave/krogan females are largely infertile, and they got cured.
The rachni queen was dead
Shepard was dead


Exactly.
The biggest thing being Shepard was dead.
Shepard can be brought back after two years and no one says anything about that, but Thane getting a cure is a big issue.

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At the beginning he defined himself by his illness, but near the end (if you romanced him you hear this from him)
He was scared to die, he had people he cared about again, he wanted to live.

Just because you're terminally ill doesn't mean you shouldn't have hope.  Extraordinary people have survived the most damning prognosis. 
Also, if Shep was revived fom the tiny clump of burnt flesh she must have been at the beginning of ME1, and if a centuries old genophage was cured in a week... I think Kepral's syndrome is not much of a death sentence :/

If you liked the way he died, fine.
But for the other half of fans I think we just as much deserve a choice.

Optimystic_X wrote...

RShara wrote...

You can save Miranda depending on your decisions, why can't you save Thane?


Perhaps it might be due to the fact that SHE'S not terminally ill?



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RShara wrote...

Wrex/Wreave/krogan females are largely infertile, and they got cured.
The rachni queen was dead
Shepard was dead


1) There were no guilty salarians working round the clock to cure Kepral's, nor was it an artificial disease.
2) The Rachni Queen never comes back from the dead. Either you saved her and she didn't die at all, or you didn't and the Reapers stitch a bunch of Rachni together into an unholy flesh golem abomination that acts like one.
3) Nobody with TIM's bankroll cares about Thane.

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Optimystic_X wrote...

RShara wrote...

Wrex/Wreave/krogan females are largely infertile, and they got cured.
The rachni queen was dead
Shepard was dead


1) There were no guilty salarians working round the clock to cure Kepral's, nor was it an artificial disease.
2) The Rachni Queen never comes back from the dead. Either you saved her and she didn't die at all, or you didn't and the Reapers stitch a bunch of Rachni together into an unholy flesh golem abomination that acts like one.
3) Nobody with TIM's bankroll cares about Thane.


1) Kepral's syndrome affected an entire race, and was more damning than the genophage. The fact that no other race, specially the all curious Salarians were not doing anything about it would be an inconsistency. There was a lung medigel, and Thane was a candidate for a transplant.
2) if the Rachni Queen dies, then the way they bring her back is sloppy. Really? stich a bunch of little Rachni's together and you can make a queen, that has babies...right
3) Forget his money, when they found Shep she was probably closer to burnt Macdonald's pink slime than to a human being. 

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Nube9 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

RShara wrote...

Wrex/Wreave/krogan females are largely infertile, and they got cured.
The rachni queen was dead
Shepard was dead


1) There were no guilty salarians working round the clock to cure Kepral's, nor was it an artificial disease.
2) The Rachni Queen never comes back from the dead. Either you saved her and she didn't die at all, or you didn't and the Reapers stitch a bunch of Rachni together into an unholy flesh golem abomination that acts like one.
3) Nobody with TIM's bankroll cares about Thane.


1) Kepral's syndrome affected an entire race, and was more damning than the genophage. The fact that no other race, specially the all curious Salarians were not doing anything about it would be an inconsistency. There was a lung medigel, and Thane was a candidate for a transplant.
2) if the Rachni Queen dies, then the way they bring her back is sloppy. Really? stich a bunch of little Rachni's together and you can make a queen, that has babies...right
3) Forget his money, when they found Shep she was probably closer to burnt Macdonald's pink slime than to a human being. 


1.  Because infertility vs death, infertility wins?  Because curing a bacterial disease is much more expensive than the mass migration of the entire race from a dying planet?

2.  What nube9 said.  Stick a bunch of dead things together and they can have babbies.  It's the zombie apocalypse!
3.  It's the future.  A lung transpant is way less expensive and complicated than rebuilding a whole body.

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Nube9 wrote...

1) Kepral's syndrome affected an entire race, and was more damning than the genophage. The fact that no other race, specially the all curious Salarians were not doing anything about it would be an inconsistency. There was a lung medigel, and Thane was a candidate for a transplant.
2) if the Rachni Queen dies, then the way they bring her back is sloppy. Really? stich a bunch of little Rachni's together and you can make a queen, that has babies...right
3) Forget his money, when they found Shep she was probably closer to burnt Macdonald's pink slime than to a human being. 


1) The Hanar are already trying to get it cured, they just haven't been successful. Why would the Salarians throw resources away on it too, especially when they had nothing to do with it?

2) Yes, that's exactly what happens. Play the mission again. And she isn't perfect either, if you save "her", some of the Rachni she sends you go crazy and kill scientists on the Crucible, costing you assets.

3) And? Shep's still more valuable than Thane.

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Optimystic_X wrote...

RShara wrote...

You can save Miranda depending on your decisions, why can't you save Thane?


Perhaps it might be due to the fact that SHE'S not terminally ill?


ah yes optimystic here to poop on parties

1) thane doesn't die of a terminal illness in the first place so like point invalid
2) shepard gets brought back from the dead
3) genophage is magically cured
4) synthesis ending

get owt brah

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Thane≠Keprals Syndrome.
Thane=Drell, living weapon, assassin, spiritual, husband, father, widower.

ME3 forgot that.

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Optimystic_X wrote...

Nube9 wrote...

1) Kepral's syndrome affected an entire race, and was more damning than the genophage. The fact that no other race, specially the all curious Salarians were not doing anything about it would be an inconsistency. There was a lung medigel, and Thane was a candidate for a transplant.
2) if the Rachni Queen dies, then the way they bring her back is sloppy. Really? stich a bunch of little Rachni's together and you can make a queen, that has babies...right
3) Forget his money, when they found Shep she was probably closer to burnt Macdonald's pink slime than to a human being. 


1) The Hanar are already trying to get it cured, they just haven't been successful. Why would the Salarians throw resources away on it too, especially when they had nothing to do with it?

2) Yes, that's exactly what happens. Play the mission again. And she isn't perfect either, if you save "her", some of the Rachni she sends you go crazy and kill scientists on the Crucible, costing you assets.

3) And? Shep's still more valuable than Thane.


anyway all of this is also invalid because bioware already magic'd up a lung transplant + lung curing medigel so arguing that it's not possible is just silly

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lyssalu wrote...


1) thane doesn't die of a terminal illness in the first place so like point invalid
2) shepard gets brought back from the dead
3) genophage is magically cured
4) synthesis ending

get owt brah


1) You're still wrong - the doctor points out that Kolyat's transfusion would have worked were it not for his advanced Kepral's. So yes, the disease is what killed him. 
2) By a ton of money that nobody is willing to spend on Thane (nor is there a reason to.)
3) A magic cure to a magic disease, created by two extremely guilty Salarians. Who is guilty over Keprals? Who created it?
4) Synthesis doesn't happen until after Thane dies, assuming it would have saved him (though I think it would have.)

In adult stories, people die who don't always deserve it. Some of us thought Thane's end was suitably epic and fitting for such a great character. 

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Optimystic_X wrote...

vasht wrote...

RIP thane.

and thats how it should be

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Oh hey, great, you don't support it. So you'll just go ahead and leave the thread. Bye!

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1. Because it's an entire race, many of which have been trained as thoroughly as Thane in their profession of choice. The quest with Kasumi should have described some of the drell war assets (that should have belonged to Thane's mission, not Kasumi).
2. So.....zombie babbies are so much better/easier/more feasible than a lung transplant?
3. Really? We're going there?

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lyssalu wrote...

anyway all of this is also invalid because bioware already magic'd up a lung transplant + lung curing medigel so arguing that it's not possible is just silly


Kepral's spreads to other organs after the lungs.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Drell#Biology

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He wouldn't be eligible for a transplant if his other organs had been significantly damaged already.

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1. Because it's an entire race, many of which have been trained as thoroughly as Thane in their profession of choice. The quest with Kasumi should have described some of the drell war assets (that should have belonged to Thane's mission, not Kasumi).
2. So.....zombie babbies are so much better/easier/more feasible than a lung transplant?
3. Really? We're going there?


1) Kepral's doesn't affect all Drell. Kolyat doesn't have it.
2) I have no doubt that the Reapers could cure Kepral's too if they tried. They have no reason to do so, however.
3) It's an honest question. Genophage is artificial and due to Salarians, Kepral's is neither. Why should Salarians care?


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He wouldn't be eligible for a transplant if his other organs had been significantly damaged already.


He refused the transplant, which indicates one of two things:
(a) it wouldn't have done any good
(B) he didn't want to live

Since we know (B) is not the case, the answer must be (a).

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 20 mars 2012 - 03:22 .


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1. Yet. It's the leading cause of death among drell
2. You're missing the point. A lung transplant is a fairly simple operation that any qualified medical surgeon can handle. Zombie babbies is way more difficult and far fetched.
3. Why are the salarians interested in uplifting yahg? Why is Mordin interested in curing the Omega plague? Because they are interfering and (sometimes) good people.

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Optimystic_X wrote...

RShara wrote...

He wouldn't be eligible for a transplant if his other organs had been significantly damaged already.


He refused the transplant, which indicates one of two things:
(a) it wouldn't have done any good
(B) he didn't want to live

Since we know (B) is not the case, the answer must be (a).


He refused the transplant because the writers are lazy and dropped the ball on any LI that they didn't deem popular enough. They could just as easily have written it the other way.

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Optimystic_X wrote...

lyssalu wrote...


1) thane doesn't die of a terminal illness in the first place so like point invalid
2) shepard gets brought back from the dead
3) genophage is magically cured
4) synthesis ending

get owt brah


1) You're still wrong - the doctor points out that Kolyat's transfusion would have worked were it not for his advanced Kepral's. So yes, the disease is what killed him. 
2) By a ton of money that nobody is willing to spend on Thane (nor is there a reason to.)
3) A magic cure to a magic disease, created by two extremely guilty Salarians. Who is guilty over Keprals? Who created it?
4) Synthesis doesn't happen until after Thane dies, assuming it would have saved him (though I think it would have.)

In adult stories, people die who don't always deserve it. Some of us thought Thane's end was suitably epic and fitting for such a great character. 


right, but if he hadn't have gotten stabbed in the first place, it wouldn't have mattered.  your point was that miranda's death scene was optional because she didn't have a disease.  your argument doesn't stand, as that had no direct impact on whether or not miranda's death was optional.  it was a silly boy thing to say.  this isn't about the details, it's about your logic, and your logic was silly.

the money thing is irrelevant.  money doesn't explain someone's brain being repaired after death.  it was the single stupidest plot point ever introduced into this trilogy and a **** load more full of :wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard: than an already established lung transplant/possible cure would be.

and that's the point, bro.  it's space magic.  you arguing that his illness is there no matter what is ****ing SILLEH BOY when you're sitting here conceding to me that most of this series is :wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:

and i brought up synthesis because of how ridiculously stupid and ~space magical~ it was.

you realize jack also had a terminal illness, right?  no one ever remembers the severe and rapid mental deterioration that's supposed to kill her~

anyway, don't condescend about ~adult stories~

most of us are not upset about dark endings or thane's death in general, but rather we're appauled at the way his character arc was handled from the perspective of an LI.  i would have been fine with his death if it had 1) been recognized 2) been meaningful to shepard and 3) if it had been pulled off as well as this: www.youtube.com/watch

but herp derp it wasn't

shepard can't even hold thane or tell him that she loves him

there was no physical contact with him until after he died, and that was just to close his eyes or some ****

ridiculous

anyway, the death scene was terribly botched from the perspective of  the ~romance~ and thus we want another option in order to avoid that stupid scene altogether.  it'd be nice if the devs would deliver on that cure they kept hinting about.
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