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[RShara]

RShara wrote...
I think that if you romanced him, and got the conversation where he no longer wants to die, then when you import your game, you should have the option to go on a quest to save him.

From LotSB, you see Thane is a candidate for a transplant but declined. It is not specified whether this is BEFORE or after romancing Shepard.

[lyssalu]

spamhead80 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

RShara wrote...

He wouldn't be eligible for a transplant if his other organs had been significantly damaged already.

He refused the transplant, which indicates one of two things:
(a) it wouldn't have done any good
( he didn't want to live

Since we know ( is not the case, the answer must be (a).

He refused the transplant because the writers are lazy and dropped the ball on any LI that they didn't deem popular enough. They could just as easily have written it the other way.

i'm also presuming he refused the lung transplant before he established any kind of romance with shepard.  prior to shepard, he wanted to die.  after he rekindled his relationship with his son and found a new love, he wanted to live.  he expresses this explicitly in me2.  there's no reason he wouldn't want a transplant after that except for lazy writing.

[Fusioncode]

Sometimes a character just has to die. And Thane's death scene was a 100% more awesome then having him magically cured. We all knew he was going to die, and Bioware handled it very well. You can't just start a petition for evry little thing you have wrong with the game.

[lyssalu]

Optimystic_X wrote...

RShara wrote...

1. Because it's an entire race, many of which have been trained as thoroughly as Thane in their profession of choice. The quest with Kasumi should have described some of the drell war assets (that should have belonged to Thane's mission, not Kasumi).
2. So.....zombie babbies are so much better/easier/more feasible than a lung transplant?
3. Really? We're going there?

1) Kepral's doesn't affect all Drell. Kolyat doesn't have it.
2) I have no doubt that the Reapers could cure Kepral's too if they tried. They have no reason to do so, however.
3) It's an honest question. Genophage is artificial and due to Salarians, Kepral's is neither. Why should Salarians care?

RShara wrote...

He wouldn't be eligible for a transplant if his other organs had been significantly damaged already.

He refused the transplant, which indicates one of two things:
(a) it wouldn't have done any good
( he didn't want to live

Since we know ( is not the case, the answer must be (a).

how are you inferring a from any of that?  your logic mans

there would have been no reason to bring up the lung transplant if he weren't eligible.  it more spoke to the selflessness of his character than any other odd thing that you could infer from it.  and no, you don't know it's not b, as at one point, he wanted to die.

[RShara]

Fusioncode wrote...

Sometimes a character just has to die.
And Thane's death scene was a 100% more awesome then having him
magically cured. We all knew he was going to die, and Bioware handled it
very well. You can't just start a petition for evry little thing you
have wrong with the game.

Sorry, did you read the previous posts and how inconsistent his magical death is? And even if he has to die, why does Shepard not react, and none of the crew react?
Garrus is standing in front of the freaking monument where Thane's name is written, and he asks about KAIDAN.

Modifié par RShara, 20 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[spamhead80]

lyssalu wrote...

spamhead80 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

RShara wrote...

He wouldn't be eligible for a transplant if his other organs had been significantly damaged already.

He refused the transplant, which indicates one of two things:
(a) it wouldn't have done any good
( he didn't want to live

Since we know ( is not the case, the answer must be (a).

He refused the transplant because the writers are lazy and dropped the ball on any LI that they didn't deem popular enough. They could just as easily have written it the other way.

i'm also presuming he refused the lung transplant before he established any kind of romance with shepard.  prior to shepard, he wanted to die.  after he rekindled his relationship with his son and found a new love, he wanted to live.  he expresses this explicitly in me2.  there's no reason he wouldn't want a transplant after that except for lazy writing.

You are probably right about the timeline, lyss. And everything else, really.

It's just funny that anyone wants to come in here and argue that the games canon contradicts Thane being cured, when that canon is certainly altered for other situations without hesitation. 

[S.A.K]

I thought his death was well written. He is supposed to be dead anyway and he went doing something that matters.

[lyssalu]

Fusioncode wrote...

Sometimes a character just has to die. And Thane's death scene was a 100% more awesome then having him magically cured. We all knew he was going to die, and Bioware handled it very well. You can't just start a petition for evry little thing you have wrong with the game.

i disagree.  that's why we want options.  with thane as an LI, that death scene was poorly written and laughable.  in a game about choices, we should have been given one.

[PsyrenY]

Fusioncode wrote...

Sometimes a character just has to die. And Thane's death scene was a 100% more awesome then having him magically cured. We all knew he was going to die, and Bioware handled it very well. You can't just start a petition for evry little thing you have wrong with the game.

S.A.K wrote...

I thought his death was well written. He is supposed to be dead anyway and he went doing something that matters.

Exactly, thank you both for understanding good writing.

Anyway, I'll move along - I made my point.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 20 mars 2012 - 03:36 .

[Saberchic]

I don't think he should be cured, but I do think they could have handled his LI status better.

So I do support them putting in more LI content and talk with others about Thane (but no cure). It's like, once he died, that was it. I didn't hear anything about him until I avenged him. BW did drop the ball on that for sure.

[MrDizazta]

Not supported. As much as I liked Thane, I felt that his death did him justice.

[lyssalu]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Fusioncode wrote...

Sometimes a character just has to die. And Thane's death scene was a 100% more awesome then having him magically cured. We all knew he was going to die, and Bioware handled it very well. You can't just start a petition for evry little thing you have wrong with the game.

S.A.K wrote...

I thought his death was well written. He is supposed to be dead anyway and he went doing something that matters.

Exactly, thank you both for understanding good writing.

Anyway, I'll move along - I made my point.

[spamhead80]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Fusioncode wrote...

Sometimes a character just has to die. And Thane's death scene was a 100% more awesome then having him magically cured. We all knew he was going to die, and Bioware handled it very well. You can't just start a petition for evry little thing you have wrong with the game.

S.A.K wrote...

I thought his death was well written. He is supposed to be dead anyway and he went doing something that matters.

Exactly, thank you both for understanding good writing.

Anyway, I'll move along - I made my point.

Thank you so much for sharing your expert writing opinions with us. I'll miss you!!!

[RShara]

dead <> good writing
Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.

Thane's death was AWESOME for a non-romanced Shepard (leaving aside the question why sword > gun). It was completely wrong for a romanced one.

Modifié par RShara, 20 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[Julia_xo]

RShara wrote...

dead <> good writing
Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.

Thane's death was AWESOME for a non-romanced Shepard. It was completely wrong for a romanced one.

Apparently, this is too much for some to comprehend.

How is Thane doing a 180 in ME3, if romanced, 'good writing'?

If the lung transplant was never going to mean anything WHY mention it at all?

If the relationship was just going to be dismissed in ME3 WHY bother making him a Love Interest?

[utaker1988]

Again, I'm all for choice. I'm not going to get into an argument with those who do not know the character thoroughly and just blindly say, "yes, he needed to die." Your opinion, I respect it. We have our opinion, respect it and remain civil about it. I'm not a Tali fan, sorry but I can do without her. If the writers had given her some OOC dialogue related to her romance and then no matter what you did, peace or no peace she just leaps off the cliff anyway, I'd fully support those who thought a choice should have been given.

A person is not defined by their illness. It impacts who they are and what choices they make but that is not all that they are. If that is all you see when you look at someone then you truly have not seen them.

[RShara]

utaker1988 wrote...

Again, I'm all for choice. I'm not going to get into an argument with those who do not know the character thoroughly and just blindly say, "yes, he needed to die." Your opinion, I respect it. We have our opinion, respect it and remain civil about it. I'm not a Tali fan, sorry but I can do without her. If the writers had given her some OOC dialogue related to her romance and then no matter what you did, peace or no peace she just leaps off the cliff anyway, I'd fully support those who thought a choice should have been given.

A person is not defined by their illness. It impacts who they are and what choices they make but that is not all that they are. If that is all you see when you look at someone then you truly have not seen them.

Thank you so much for your reasoned and explanatory post.  It's really nice to have people post who are open to having a CHOICE, which is all anyone can ask for

[JECW]

utaker1988 wrote...

Again, I'm all for choice. I'm not going to get into an argument with those who do not know the character thoroughly and just blindly say, "yes, he needed to die." Your opinion, I respect it. We have our opinion, respect it and remain civil about it. I'm not a Tali fan, sorry but I can do without her. If the writers had given her some OOC dialogue related to her romance and then no matter what you did, peace or no peace she just leaps off the cliff anyway, I'd fully support those who thought a choice should have been given.

A person is not defined by their illness. It impacts who they are and what choices they make but that is not all that they are. If that is all you see when you look at someone then you truly have not seen them.

I agree with everything you said, and this is how most Thane fans feel.
I honeslty don't know why people who don't want him to have a cure are even here. They don't really know this character and could care less about him so why does it matter.

[utaker1988]

RShara wrote...


Thank you so much for your reasoned and explanatory post.  It's really nice to have people post who are open to having a CHOICE, which is all anyone can ask for

Trust me, I would jump through fire, destroy some more Batarians, and cut off my Shep's arms to have given Thane a longer life.  Who knows if he would have wanted her if she had no arms but I'm sure  could have fixed that arm thing.  But yes, after all the hints and carrots they dangled in front of us, something should have been done or said.  I still cannot play ME3 as all my imports have Thane as an LI and I just cannot watch what they did the man who was afraid to die, who wanted to live, is now sitting in front of a hospital window looking so sad and forlorn.  Depressing.  I still don't get how those of us who want a choice is taking away from those who want him to die.  Simple, don't ever choose that option.  I shot Kaidan and will continue to do so.  Does that change anyone else's game?  Does it impact their overall experience?  Does it make their romance with him any less meaningful because I keel him?  No.  If there was a choice for Thane, would my gameplay be ruined because others killed him?  No, it would not.  

[mnomaha]

Because they're young, spoiled little fan boys, barely beyond their first wet dream? Or maybe, just maybe, they have never had to watch someone waste away to nothing. I've lost too much in RL to have to deal with it in a ****ing game. I play games to escape the realities of real life.

bw promised equal treatment. They did *NOT* deliver.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Double signed! *sigh*

[lyssalu]

mnomaha wrote...

Because they're young, spoiled little fan boys, barely beyond their first wet dream? Or maybe, just maybe, they have never had to watch someone waste away to nothing. I've lost too much in RL to have to deal with it in a ****ing game. I play games to escape the realities of real life.

bw promised equal treatment. They did *NOT* deliver.

yep

lol bioware don't understand that video games are just escapism 

[lyssalu]

an awesome post from one of my group members:

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

So we're in a series where

Resurrection after two years of complete and through brain-and-body death is completely viable and without side-effects

Having the entire racial and cultural memory of a fifty-thousand year old precursor race implanted in your head is only slightly invasive

A race of congenitally immuno-deficient space gypsies can be restored to complete robustness by their sworn enemies uploading themselves into their suits.

A member of the aforementioned fifty-thousand-years-gone precursor race just sort of turns up when handy and is able to interface with your team

and the protagonist regularly stares down literal suicide missions unscathed

and a dude dying of space cancer is necessary to remind us that some things ~can't be stopped~?

This isn't The Cold Equations.

What is possible or impossible has consistently contorted to suit the whim of the writers for far more superficial reasons than giving a popular character a good out.

There's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to cure Thane. If you're worried about your gritty realism being tarnished, just put an opportunity cost on it like, you know, other decisions in the same game are handled.

makes the point pretty nicely, i think.

[mythlover20]

Romeo-Whiskey wrote...

I thought that Thane's send off was very well done, I was cheering him on as he took on Kai Leng, obviously highly concerned and in tears when he died but it all felt very loyal to his character, right down the prayer. I thought if you didn't talk to him before the Cerberus coup on the citadel he didn't take on Kai Leng anyway? (not tried myself but read it somewhere) and if so, in that scenario isn't he alive?

No. Thane ALWAYS dies. If you don't talk to him you don't get any kind of message of notification that he has died. His name just appears on that bloody wall. I didn't even know that until I sat there an actually looked for it.

Either way he's doomed.

His death was just not handled well. NPCs and squadmates just wouldn't shut up about Mordin dying, and his was optional! (In my Garrus romance he lived). Yet not a single one commented on him. Garrus, Joker, Liara, and Tali all knew him. It does not make sense that they would forget him, unless they all got amnesia, in which case they shouldn't remember Shepard either.

The fight scene was awkward, not on Thane's part, but on Kai Leng's. Thane we all can understand, even sympathise with. Kai Leng however is the man who is supposed to take out the best assassin in the galaxy, and he just stands there showing off. It Thane was at his best, Kai Leng would have been dead with the first shot.

The prayer is beautiful, and imo was well written, but it shows up for EVERY Shepard, not just those who romanced him. And those who romanced him should have gotten something separate.

Thane only has one dialogue, which completely negates his character arc from ME2. Forgetting the romance arc, at the end of ME2 he has been reunited with his son, and has learnt of the Reaper threat. He cares, deeply, and tries to do something about it. Yet in ME3 he just sits there, uncaring, staring out of the hospital window. Don't mention that he came out to fight in the Coup; THAT does not count. In ME2 he fought to redeem himself, because he CARED. In ME3, he fights because he was forced out of his comfy hospital chair.

And to the cure, if you don't want Thane cured, don't cure him. But give those of us who do, who either romanced him or just found him a worthwhile character that deserved better, the OPTION to do so.

What don't you understand about that? We don't want to take away his death, we want to be given the CHOICE to let him live, to do his character justice.

His name is THANE KRIOS. NOT Mr. Kepr Al Syndrome, as someone else has said (sorry, I forget who). He is definied by his character, not his disease.

My mother is not defined by her own lung disease. My father was not defined by his lung cancer. My grandfather was not defined by his pancreatic cancer. My grandmother was not defined by her kidney failure. My aunt is not defined by her onset of alzheimers. They are individuals. Complex beings. Characters are no different. They are created to be a complex as any individual being and that's what the did with Thane.

You don't define a living being by his disease. Why are you so closed minded, callous, or inhumane to do the same thing to a character?

Because it's not a very big jump from fictional characters to real people, because those characters COME from real people.

After all, wasn't the inspiration for Thane's battle with Kepral's taken from one of the writer's friend's battle with cyctic fibrosis or something? Would you sideline that person just because you were told they were going to die. Would you sideline a friend because you were told they were going to die? Would you sideline a family member?

Would you like them to sideline you?

Think about that.

[Nube9]

Thank you every one for your comments. Tomorrow I will start writing the petition, ill post a rough draft on this thread for all of you to contribute to.

Again, for those who liked Thane's death.
We respect that, but please also respect our desire for a choice in the matter.