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[RShara]

dead <> good writing
Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.

Thane's death was AWESOME for a non-romanced Shepard (leaving aside the question why sword > gun). It was completely wrong for a romanced one.

[Rip The Reaper]

Jack and Jacob got the worst. And becasue of what? popularity? F U Bioware. Don't start something your not going to finish

[RShara]

At least Jack lives if you make the right choice. Thane doesn't have that option. And he should!  Jacob totally got shafted, and I heard Jack and Miranda get pretty skimpy screentime too

Modifié par RShara, 20 mars 2012 - 05:33 .

[JECW]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Thane were cool.

Blah blah blah if miss him like the rest of you whiney fans, go play Mass Effect 2. You had more options than what we had. I wish be able to cuddle eith, have blue babies with Liara!!!

Clearly you have nothing better to do.
You don't miss Thane, and you are not a fan. If you don't like these kinds of threads then just stay out of them.

[Provo_101]

Thane went into the Suicide Mission in ME2 with the intention of death, at least initially. Seeing Kolyat again may have changed that, but Thane doesn't hide from his death, he's come to terms with it and it fits. I didn't want Mordin to die, but when he did I was FINE with it.

Mordin, Thane, and even Legion had deaths that were incredibly well done if you keep their characters and story arcs in mind.

[Xeyska]

Provo_101 wrote...

Thane went into the Suicide Mission in ME2 with the intention of death, at least initially. Seeing Kolyat again may have changed that, but Thane doesn't hide from his death, he's come to terms with it and it fits. I didn't want Mordin to die, but when he did I was FINE with it.

Mordin, Thane, and even Legion had deaths that were incredibly well done if you keep their characters and story arcs in mind.

But for FemSheps who romanced Thane, it was quite the opposite. It pretty much went against everything the romance was about in ME2. ME3 Thane was a slap in the face for those who romanced him.

Modifié par Xeyska, 20 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[Rip The Reaper]

RShara wrote...

At least Jack lives if you make the right choice. Thane doesn't have that option. And he should!  Jacob totally got shafted, and I heard Jack and Miranda get pretty skimpy screentime too

It's not about them just dieing. It's about a proper sent off. It's not about screentime. It's about quality screentime.
With Jack, it's more about the dialog and character. It's like they completly forgotten about the paragon romance in ME2 and even subtly force you away from her. I know Jacob wasn't the most popular but damn bioware, why? Not sure why people are complaining about Mirandas. Personaly I thought Thanes was good, some more choices in dialog would be better though. Did people forget that Thane was a dieing character from the get-go? I thought that's what made the character more compelling romance for femshep imo.

[Hadeedak]

I'll say Thane's death WAS done well, if in dire need of more involvement from Shep -- no single tear? Really? He died because he was protecting you, your squad, and your Councillor. What Thane's death in general needed was more variation and a LOT more aftermath. Like. Any aftermath.

A codex entry and an achievement would have been nice, as would SOMEONE ON YOUR SQUAD AND YOUR DAMN SHEPARD noticing he died. It irked me even on a friendship path, because I'd always figured somehow Esperanza Shepard, Thane and Garrus were a team. I certainly took them enough places together. It's not quite like not noticing if Tali died, but it felt (on that playthrough) like if Liara died on Mars to Cerberus, and Kaidan nudged her corpse with a boot, and Shepard looked sad for a moment... And then they went to go get the plans without her. And no one ever mentioned her again.

[Rip The Reaper]

Hadeedak wrote...

I'll say Thane's death WAS done well, if in dire need of more involvement from Shep -- no single tear? Really? He died because he was protecting you, your squad, and your Councillor. What Thane's death in general needed was more variation and a LOT more aftermath. Like. Any aftermath.

A codex entry and an achievement would have been nice, as would SOMEONE ON YOUR SQUAD AND YOUR DAMN SHEPARD noticing he died. It irked me even on a friendship path, because I'd always figured somehow Esperanza Shepard, Thane and Garrus were a team. I certainly took them enough places together. It's not quite like not noticing if Tali died, but it felt (on that playthrough) like if Liara died on Mars to Cerberus, and Kaidan nudged her corpse with a boot, and Shepard looked sad for a moment... And then they went to go get the plans without her. And no one ever mentioned her again.

It WAS done well. There shouldn't be a petition to save him. it sucks he died yeah but its just that the death scene  for LIs didn't get any extra dialog or any big difference from the non-romance Thane death scene. I thought it was heart wrenching and tear dropping the way it played out. Something I'd give anything for my fav LI Jack to have. (Someone you'd think would already have something like that, maybe even a single line in dialog for crying out loud..)

Modifié par Rip The Reaper, 20 mars 2012 - 05:57 .

[Hadeedak]

What I was going for is I like choice. I mean, you don't HAVE to have the gutclenching Jack death if you don't want it.

[Rip The Reaper]

Hadeedak wrote...

What I was going for is I like choice. I mean, you don't HAVE to have the gutclenching Jack death if you don't want it.

Sorry, you misunderstand, i was aggreing with you by quoting you and added some of my thoughts.  Ishould have said that sorry

[Hadeedak]

Eh. It's late and... Well, I agree. I hope it's not just for the romancers, if such a thing gets added. It'd totally gut me to lose Jack or Samara just because I didn't hit on them on one playthrough, and my FRIENDSHEP would try to save Thane if that's what he wound up wanting.

[lyssalu]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Thane were cool.

Blah blah blah if miss him like the rest of you whiney fans, go play Mass Effect 2. You had more options than what we had. I wish be able to cuddle eith, have blue babies with Liara!!!

what do you mean we had more options

are you saying that

thane romancers

had more options than

liaramancers

is that what you're saying

man this board is bad for my health

[sunnie7699]

RShara wrote...

See, there definitely shouldn't be a magical cure for Thane. That would be cliche and almost as offensive as what has happened in game.
I think that if you romanced him, and got the conversation where he no longer wants to die, then when you import your game, you should have the option to go on a quest to save him. You can save Miranda depending on your decisions, why can't you save Thane?
If Thane were strong enough he should have been able to drive off Kai Leng without being seriously hurt (accepting the fact that Kai Leng has impenetrable plot armor).

Thane was never "destined" to die. The writers in ME2 said they weren't sure where they were going to take the character.

In the leaked script, there were several options where Thane takes a bullet during the Coup, to stop Udina. In one of the options, he pulls off "A slick move" and stops Udina, and just looks "out of breath."

Mordin can magically cure the genophage in a few weeks, but no one can cure drell in years? From a bacterial infection? And we're not talking just 1 person, but an entire race.

From LotSB, you see Thane is a candidate for a transplant but declined. It is not specified whether this is BEFORE or after romancing Shepard.

It's only been 6 months or so since the end of ME2 (Arrival). Thane says that he as told he had 3 months to live 9 months ago. So..............he was 3 months PAST his expected life expectancy when he agreed to join up (and kicked ass)???

The doctor you talk to when you go to see Thane says that they had a problem with lack of drell blood for transfusion. Shepard offers to find some, and boom, Kolyat is there. Granted, he can't give ALL of his blood to Thane, but he should be able to donate a good bit. Certainly enough to buy enough time for Shepard to find more (fetch mission to Kahje?). I mean, you go fetching like, flags, and stuff. Wouldn't be any more ridiculous than that.

Thane's also the only ME2 squadmate that doesn't have at least some sort of sidemission, even a Running-Around-The-Citadel type mission.

What would make sense is that, if you romanced him in ME2, you have the OPTION to talk him in to a transplant. If he agrees, (and maybe if your Reputation is high enough) then he is strong enough to recover from the fight with Kai Leng. Strength of will, will to live makes a HUGE difference in survival odds. This isn't even a cure, but it's something that would extend him through ME 3, and leave the rest to......SPECULATION.

I agree with this completely, and support this petition. Why did bioware think anyone would give a crap about characters like Diana Allers? In the time they spent scanning her face into the game, they could have put more time and resources into ME2 characters, especially Thane .

[loftywishes]

lyssalu wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Thane were cool.

Blah blah blah if miss him like the rest of you whiney fans, go play Mass Effect 2. You had more options than what we had. I wish be able to cuddle eith, have blue babies with Liara!!!

what do you mean we had more options

are you saying that

thane romancers

had more options than

liaramancers

is that what you're saying

man this board is bad for my health

>more options that what we had
>more options
>

[Udalango]

I can understand for people who romanced Thane.

But when he was first stabbed I was like HOLY ISH thats so BS.

But the more I think about it the more im actually happy it happened. For one Thane himself was at peace with it. Why should I get the final say when the person dying 100% ok with his fate. Secondly if it were me I would much rather go out embarrassing another assassin while I am terminally ill, than VERRRYY slowly suffocate

[Rip The Reaper]

lyssalu wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Thane were cool.

Blah blah blah if miss him like the rest of you whiney fans, go play Mass Effect 2. You had more options than what we had. I wish be able to cuddle eith, have blue babies with Liara!!!

what do you mean we had more options

are you saying that

thane romancers

had more options than

liaramancers

is that what you're saying

man this board is bad for my health

More than Jack and Jacob....

[lyssalu]

Rip The Reaper wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Thane were cool.

Blah blah blah if miss him like the rest of you whiney fans, go play Mass Effect 2. You had more options than what we had. I wish be able to cuddle eith, have blue babies with Liara!!!

what do you mean we had more options

are you saying that

thane romancers

had more options than

liaramancers

is that what you're saying

man this board is bad for my health

More than Jack and Jacob....

why won't you admit that thane was one of the LIs who got the most screwed?  jack got more romantic content than he did, though whether or not you think she got a proper "send off" or whatever doesn't really matter given that she doesn't die and send offs are for dead people.

ME2 romances are in the same boat, with the LIs intended for women taking the hardest hit given that they're a minority audience.

Modifié par lyssalu, 20 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[lyssalu]

Udalango wrote...

I can understand for people who romanced Thane.

But when he was first stabbed I was like HOLY ISH thats so BS.

But the more I think about it the more im actually happy it happened. For one Thane himself was at peace with it. Why should I get the final say when the person dying 100% ok with his fate. Secondly if it were me I would much rather go out embarrassing another assassin while I am terminally ill, than VERRRYY slowly suffocate

well, the reason the people who romanced him are mad is because thane wasn't okay with dying after falling in love with shepard and reconciling his relationship with his son.  he states this explicitly in his ME2 culmination scene, and then emphasizes this in the letter for shepard taken from his personal drive in LOTSB, which is later sent to shepard after he dies in ME3.

so if your reasoning is: thane is okay with dying ---> thane dying is good, it doesn't work out here, because, again, once romanced, he tells shepard how much he fears death and how much he isn't okay with it.  i realize that in his conversation with shepard in ME3 he states the opposite, but this was a retcon and totally inconsistent with his character arc, which is why fans are so ****ing mad.  and, to iterate, we know that this was a retcon and a byproduct of ****ty, inconsistent writing, because right after he dies, he sends shepard a letter talking about how she reawakened him and how much he didn't want to die!

and

the ****ing kicker

is that in the letter  he tells shepard that he doesn't want to die in a hospital bed

AND YOU ARE SENT THIS

RIGHT AFTER HE DIES IN A HOSPITAL BED!

it's so cool and touching and good, isn't it?

[mnomaha]

...I'm glad we're on the same side luv.

And you tell those dirty rotten douchebags all about it! Cuz really, I can't top that.

[Udalango]

lyssalu wrote...

Udalango wrote...

I can understand for people who romanced Thane.

But when he was first stabbed I was like HOLY ISH thats so BS.

But the more I think about it the more im actually happy it happened. For one Thane himself was at peace with it. Why should I get the final say when the person dying 100% ok with his fate. Secondly if it were me I would much rather go out embarrassing another assassin while I am terminally ill, than VERRRYY slowly suffocate

well, the reason the people who romanced him are mad is because thane wasn't okay with dying after falling in love with shepard and reconciling his relationship with his son.  he states this explicitly in his ME2 culmination scene, and then emphasizes this in the letter for shepard taken from his personal drive in LOTSB, which is later sent to shepard after he dies in ME3.

so if your reasoning is: thane is okay with dying ---> thane dying is good, it doesn't work out here, because, again, once romanced, he tells shepard how much he fears death and how much he isn't okay with it.  i realize that in his conversation with shepard in ME3 he states the opposite, but this was a retcon and totally inconsistent with his character arc, which is why fans are so ****ing mad.  and, to iterate, we know that this was a retcon and a byproduct of ****ty, inconsistent writing, because right after he dies, he sends shepard a letter talking about how she reawakened him and how much he didn't want to die!

and

the ****ing kicker

is that in the letter  he tells shepard that he doesn't want to die in a hospital bed

AND YOU ARE SENT THIS

RIGHT AFTER HE DIES IN A HOSPITAL BED!

it's so cool and touching and good, isn't it?

I very clearly said I can understand why people who romanced him are angry.  It was my very first sentence.  I didnt romance him.  So my reasonin is actually not faulty.

But yes that all sucks I understand why you are mad.  But look yes he wants to live now he wants the illness gone.  But a sword to the gut isnt really an illness so much as it is you know a bodily inconveniance.  He died helping you to save the council which he could reason out helps your odds at surviving.  It could also be reasoned that after being stabbed he realized you worrying over his health would be a detriment to your Reaper problem.  So he accepted his fate.  Seems like something Thane would do

No beforre you go telling me my reasoning sucks again.  I realize having to project my reasoning on to Thane sucks.  Just like Projecting things on to Jack sucked for me.  

[lyssalu]

Udalango wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Udalango wrote...

I can understand for people who romanced Thane.

But when he was first stabbed I was like HOLY ISH thats so BS.

But the more I think about it the more im actually happy it happened. For one Thane himself was at peace with it. Why should I get the final say when the person dying 100% ok with his fate. Secondly if it were me I would much rather go out embarrassing another assassin while I am terminally ill, than VERRRYY slowly suffocate

well, the reason the people who romanced him are mad is because thane wasn't okay with dying after falling in love with shepard and reconciling his relationship with his son.  he states this explicitly in his ME2 culmination scene, and then emphasizes this in the letter for shepard taken from his personal drive in LOTSB, which is later sent to shepard after he dies in ME3.

so if your reasoning is: thane is okay with dying ---> thane dying is good, it doesn't work out here, because, again, once romanced, he tells shepard how much he fears death and how much he isn't okay with it.  i realize that in his conversation with shepard in ME3 he states the opposite, but this was a retcon and totally inconsistent with his character arc, which is why fans are so ****ing mad.  and, to iterate, we know that this was a retcon and a byproduct of ****ty, inconsistent writing, because right after he dies, he sends shepard a letter talking about how she reawakened him and how much he didn't want to die!

and

the ****ing kicker

is that in the letter  he tells shepard that he doesn't want to die in a hospital bed

AND YOU ARE SENT THIS

RIGHT AFTER HE DIES IN A HOSPITAL BED!

it's so cool and touching and good, isn't it?

I very clearly said I can understand why people who romanced him are angry.  It was my very first sentence.  I didnt romance him.  So my reasonin is actually not faulty.

But yes that all sucks I understand why you are mad.  But look yes he wants to live now he wants the illness gone.  But a sword to the gut isnt really an illness so much as it is you know a bodily inconveniance.  He died helping you to save the council which he could reason out helps your odds at surviving.  It could also be reasoned that after being stabbed he realized you worrying over his health would be a detriment to your Reaper problem.  So he accepted his fate.  Seems like something Thane would do

No beforre you go telling me my reasoning sucks again.  I realize having to project my reasoning on to Thane sucks.  Just like Projecting things on to Jack sucked for me.  

sure.  another thing that's compounding this problem, though, is that in the leaked script, thane survives his confrontation with kai leng after "pulling a sleak move" and all is well.  this wasn't destined.  this didn't have to happen.  in official, alternate scenarios in the script, it didn't happen this way.  this is why we're upset.

why was it so necessary for bioware to skewer him on the end of some stupid space ninja's sword?  it did thane no justice whatsoever, and it rid the player of having choice, and that's bull****.  it'd be like if at the same coup, you had no choice but to shoot the VS in order to get to udina, and that's bull****.  but the player did get a choice there for kaidan and ashley.  so why not thane?

in your playthrough, he can die for you.  i don't want that in mine, and i don't want to sacrifice player choice just because of some ill concieved notion of "emotional payoff" that bioware has with regards to thane's character arc.

[alynnen]

I would've loved if thane would have died in a _emotional_scene on shepards arms after Kai leng stabbed him. Or something. Did not expect a death on hospital bed...

The leaked script and promises of a kahje mission in twitter and hints in lotsb made me believe.. So I was heartbroken when he died.

Also would've been awesome if you had a mission where you have to choose between drells cure and something like destruction of kahje/no assets from hanar/someone die etc..

And the fact they forgot about him being a LI is beyond ridiculous.