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#101
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alynnen wrote...

I would've loved if thane would have died in a _emotional_scene on shepards arms after Kai leng stabbed him. Or something. Did not expect a death on hospital bed...

The leaked script and promises of a kahje mission in twitter and hints in lotsb made me believe.. So I was heartbroken when he died.

Also would've been awesome if you had a mission where you have to choose between drells cure and something like destruction of kahje/no assets from hanar/someone die etc..

And the fact they forgot about him being a LI is beyond ridiculous.


i agree sooo hard

it sucks all of this was so poorly implemented

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Like I've said many times already, it isn't the death of Thane itself that has many fans mad, it's the way that his romance was completely reduced to nothing.
For a Shepard who is only friends with him, I think Thane was okay. But NOT for a Shepard who romanced him.

There are many posts before this one that give you more details about why and how, so I suggest you read those.

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Daicotje wrote...

Like I've said many times already, it isn't the death of Thane itself that has many fans mad, it's the way that his romance was completely reduced to nothing.
For a Shepard who is only friends with him, I think Thane was okay. But NOT for a Shepard who romanced him.

There are many posts before this one that give you more details about why and how, so I suggest you read those.


+1

really, if they had actually given his death meaning and fleshed out his romance, i'd be happy with it.  

buuuut, since they didn't, i want the option of being able to cure him so that i can just avoid that whole mess altogether.  and i was also irritated that the player had no choice, so there ya go.

Modifié par lyssalu, 20 mars 2012 - 10:04 .


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No. Thane ALWAYS dies. If you don't talk to him you don't get any kind of message of notification that he has died. His name just appears on that bloody wall. I didn't even know that until I sat there an actually looked for it.

Either way he's doomed.

His death was just not handled well. NPCs and squadmates just wouldn't shut up about Mordin dying, and his was optional! (In my Garrus romance he lived). Yet not a single one commented on him. Garrus, Joker, Liara, and Tali all knew him. It does not make sense that they would forget him, unless they all got amnesia, in which case they shouldn't remember Shepard either.

The fight scene was awkward, not on Thane's part, but on Kai Leng's. Thane we all can understand, even sympathise with. Kai Leng however is the man who is supposed to take out the best assassin in the galaxy, and he just stands there showing off. It Thane was at his best, Kai Leng would have been dead with the first shot.

The prayer is beautiful, and imo was well written, but it shows up for EVERY Shepard, not just those who romanced him. And those who romanced him should have gotten something separate.

Thane only has one dialogue, which completely negates his character arc from ME2. Forgetting the romance arc, at the end of ME2 he has been reunited with his son, and has learnt of the Reaper threat. He cares, deeply, and tries to do something about it. Yet in ME3 he just sits there, uncaring, staring out of the hospital window. Don't mention that he came out to fight in the Coup; THAT does not count. In ME2 he fought to redeem himself, because he CARED. In ME3, he fights because he was forced out of his comfy hospital chair.

And to the cure, if you don't want Thane cured, don't cure him. But give those of us who do, who either romanced him or just found him a worthwhile character that deserved better, the OPTION to do so.

What don't you understand about that? We don't want to take away his death, we want to be given the CHOICE to let him live, to do his character justice.

His name is THANE KRIOS. NOT Mr. Kepr Al Syndrome, as someone else has said (sorry, I forget who). He is definied by his character, not his disease.

My mother is not defined by her own lung disease. My father was not defined by his lung cancer. My grandfather was not defined by his pancreatic cancer. My grandmother was not defined by her kidney failure. My aunt is not defined by her onset of alzheimers. They are individuals. Complex beings. Characters are no different. They are created to be a complex as any individual being and that's what the did with Thane.

You don't define a living being by his disease. Why are you so closed minded, callous, or inhumane to do the same thing to a character?

Because it's not a very big jump from fictional characters to real people, because those characters COME from real people.

After all, wasn't the inspiration for Thane's battle with Kepral's taken from one of the writer's friend's battle with cyctic fibrosis or something? Would you sideline that person just because you were told they were going to die. Would you sideline a friend because you were told they were going to die? Would you sideline a family member?

Would you like them to sideline you?

Think about that.


Quoted for truth. Last night I had a terrible exchange on Twitter:


Vi ‏ @Asenza
@masseffect Thane≠Keprals Syndrome. Thane=Drell,
living weapon, assassin, spiritual, husband, father, widower. Why did
ME3 forget that?
*****
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@asenza He's certainly not defined by his sickness, but it does limit what he can do. No one will forget who Thane truly is.
******
Vi ‏ @Asenza
@masseffect
EVERYONE forgot who Thane was. No one but Kai-Leng spoke his name in
game after the attack on the Salarian councilor.

Is it the same as the endings? They wanted to make Thane's death "memorable"? Well, like the endings, Thane's death is not just unforgetable, but unforgiveable.

I would have been able to deal with it if it had been done properly, but it wasn't.

#105
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lyssalu wrote...

Daicotje wrote...

Like I've said many times already, it isn't the death of Thane itself that has many fans mad, it's the way that his romance was completely reduced to nothing.
For a Shepard who is only friends with him, I think Thane was okay. But NOT for a Shepard who romanced him.

There are many posts before this one that give you more details about why and how, so I suggest you read those.


+1

really, if they had actually given his death meaning and fleshed out his romance, i'd be happy with it.  

buuuut, since they didn't, i want the option of being able to cure him so that i can just avoid that whole mess altogether.  and i was also irritated that the player had no choice, so there ya go.


+2 for both comments quoted above!

I was just coming in to write pretty much the same things!

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Thane were cool.

Blah blah blah if miss him like the rest of you whiney fans, go play Mass Effect 2. You had more options than what we had. I wish be able to cuddle eith, have blue babies with Liara!!!


Hey, cool, thanks for contributing. Let's compare what Liara romancers get to what Thane romancers get.

1. A full fledged romance/squadmate in ME1 vs. No romance in ME1. Sure, he wasn't in the game, so that is completely explainable.
2. A nice bit of dlc in ME2 that included the LI as a squadmate, with a cute little romance scene vs. a cool squadmate with a great loyalty mission and nice makeout scene. After the dlc, you could also go back and visit Liara anytime you wanted, though you sadly could not make out with her again. The balance tilts slightly in Thane's favor here, but Liara probably has as much dialogue in the end.
3. An entire game where you were able to include Liara in your squad, interact with her whenever you want, go on a date with her, have one of the better done romance scenes with her, etc. You also got a great final goodbye, with unique dialogue for a romance option. VS. Five minutes of actual dialogue that you could control with Thane, no squadmate possibility, a fight cutscene that you are forced to stand there and watch because PLOT ARMOR, and a death scene that has a nice prayer, but is the same for every freaking Shepard, romance or otherwise. Liara wins that one pretty freaking handily.

We all got screwed in the end, because everyone pretty much died as far as we know. So, in the end, all of the LI's are in the same boat. However, during the game, some LIs got superior treatment (hint, Thane is not one of them). I like Liara, and I am honestly glad that her fans got a great romance. You not being able to have blue babies with her does not equate to your LI not counting at all and dying pointlessly (you know, like what happens with Thane). 

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Thane Krios is deaaaaaad!

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ImperatorMortis wrote...

Thane Krios is deaaaaaad!


UNDO IT

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Rather he went out like he did than helpless in a hospital bed.

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lyssalu wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Thane Krios is deaaaaaad!


UNDO IT


Resurrection!

Hey, it worked with Leliana...

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Adam-Sadface wrote...

Rather he went out like he did than helpless in a hospital bed.


but he did go out helpless on a hospital bed

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liesandpropaganda wrote...

Adam-Sadface wrote...

Rather he went out like he did than helpless in a hospital bed.


but he did go out helpless on a hospital bed


But not before a heroic save.  He went on his own terms, not waiting to die from disease.

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Visii wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Thane Krios is deaaaaaad!


UNDO IT


Resurrection!

Hey, it worked with Leliana Shepard...



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Adam-Sadface wrote...

Rather he went out like he did than helpless in a hospital bed.


did you skip his death scene? he did die helpless in a hospital bed.

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Adam-Sadface wrote...

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Adam-Sadface wrote...

Rather he went out like he did than helpless in a hospital bed.


but he did go out helpless on a hospital bed


But not before a heroic save.  He went on his own terms, not waiting to die from disease.


lol he didn't stab himself with a sword so it wasn't exactly on his own terms. it's a video game brah, he didn't need to die in the first place

and that ****'s seriously offensive if you really think people are better off being murdered or committing suicide is a better way to die than having an illness

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He had a fitting end. Maybe the romance could have done with a fair bit more padding out and it would have been nice to interact with him some more even on the bro-mance side of things but considering we all knew he was inevitably going to kark it in the third game I liked it; he saved the Salarian counciller and died in relative comfort overlooking the presidum with his son and Shepard.

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lyssalu wrote...

Adam-Sadface wrote...

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Adam-Sadface wrote...

Rather he went out like he did than helpless in a hospital bed.


but he did go out helpless on a hospital bed


But not before a heroic save.  He went on his own terms, not waiting to die from disease.


lol he didn't stab himself with a sword so it wasn't exactly on his own terms. it's a video game brah, he didn't need to die in the first place

and that ****'s seriously offensive if you really think people are better off being murdered or committing suicide is a better way to die than having an illness


His days were umbered due to terminal disease, we knew that 2 years ago.

And it was on his own terms, he opted to put himself in harms way knowing he probably wasn't strong enough to come away the victor but knew he could rescue the moment. He made his choice.

Death was his business and he went in an honourable manner doing what he was best at, being badass and saving his friends.

Edit: How is it offensive? "It's a videogame brah".

Modifié par Adam-Sadface, 20 mars 2012 - 06:15 .


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CHALET wrote...

He had a fitting end. Maybe the romance could have done with a fair bit more padding out and it would have been nice to interact with him some more even on the bro-mance side of things but considering we all knew he was inevitably going to kark it in the third game I liked it; he saved the Salarian counciller and died in relative comfort overlooking the presidum with his son and Shepard.


In a death scene that was both totally unecessary and exactly the same regardless of romance status. Win-win! Also, dying to a tool like Kai Leng is an insult to any character.

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spamhead80 wrote...



 Also, dying to a tool like Kai Leng is an insult to any character.


Yup, made you hate Kai Leng though didn't it? Plus I bet you enjoyed ending him even more because of it.

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He was already dying, unfortunately :( I think that he wouldn't of lived long enough to see the end of the game (lucky him) anyway, but remember he died a hero guys! :D Every time I walk past that memorial wall in the Normandy I think of his sacrifice, and I wouldn;t have been able to do it without him :')

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Adam-Sadface wrote...

spamhead80 wrote...



 Also, dying to a tool like Kai Leng is an insult to any character.


Yup, made you hate Kai Leng though didn't it? Plus I bet you enjoyed ending him even more because of it.


Actually, no, I never hated Kai Leng. In order to hate him he would have to be a well fleshed out and well written character... he doesn't qualify. I was, however, frustrated at the game itself for railroading me into a situation where I could do nothing but stand there and watch a cutscene. It rendered Thane's death all the more useless and pathetic. 

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spamhead80 wrote...

Adam-Sadface wrote...

spamhead80 wrote...



 Also, dying to a tool like Kai Leng is an insult to any character.


Yup, made you hate Kai Leng though didn't it? Plus I bet you enjoyed ending him even more because of it.


Actually, no, I never hated Kai Leng. In order to hate him he would have to be a well fleshed out and well written character... he doesn't qualify. I was, however, frustrated at the game itself for railroading me into a situation where I could do nothing but stand there and watch a cutscene. It rendered Thane's death all the more useless and pathetic. 


THIS!

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 idk, i personally liked how it was done. He was dying in the 2nd game so he shouldn't magically be cured. Perhaps if i romanced him (i never play femshep) i would feel differently; but i don't.

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spamhead80 wrote...

Adam-Sadface wrote...

spamhead80 wrote...



 Also, dying to a tool like Kai Leng is an insult to any character.


Yup, made you hate Kai Leng though didn't it? Plus I bet you enjoyed ending him even more because of it.


Actually, no, I never hated Kai Leng. In order to hate him he would have to be a well fleshed out and well written character... he doesn't qualify. I was, however, frustrated at the game itself for railroading me into a situation where I could do nothing but stand there and watch a cutscene. It rendered Thane's death all the more useless and pathetic. 


No, him dying of Kepral's syndrome watching Blasto on the hospital TV whilst his close friends are trying to save the universe is useless and pathetic.  He went a hero.

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Adam-Sadface wrote...

spamhead80 wrote...

Adam-Sadface wrote...

spamhead80 wrote...



 Also, dying to a tool like Kai Leng is an insult to any character.


Yup, made you hate Kai Leng though didn't it? Plus I bet you enjoyed ending him even more because of it.


Actually, no, I never hated Kai Leng. In order to hate him he would have to be a well fleshed out and well written character... he doesn't qualify. I was, however, frustrated at the game itself for railroading me into a situation where I could do nothing but stand there and watch a cutscene. It rendered Thane's death all the more useless and pathetic. 


No, him dying of Kepral's syndrome watching Blasto on the hospital TV whilst his close friends are trying to save the universe is useless and pathetic.  He went a hero.


Putting him in the hospital was another mistake on Bioware's part, so what exactly is your point here? There was no definite and established timeline to Thane's potential death established in ME2. No one ever came out and said, "Oh hey, Thane, you only have six to eight months left to live. Enjoy your time, brosef!" The circumstances were absolutely vague enough that something meaningful could have been done with Thane's character in ME3. Bioware most definitely took the lazy and easy way out with his character.