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[Adam-Sadface]

spamhead80 wrote...

Putting him in the hospital was another mistake on Bioware's part, so what exactly is your point here? There was no definite and established timeline to Thane's potential death established in ME2. No one ever came out and said, "Oh hey, Thane, you only have six to eight months left to live. Enjoy your time, brosef!" The circumstances were absolutely vague enough that something meaningful could have been done with Thane's character in ME3. Bioware most definitely took the lazy and easy way out with his character. 

Each to their own I guess, I liked Thane and personally thought he was well handled in ME3, he got better than Legion and Miranda did anyway.

I was kind of hoping his son would join the fight though.

[Visii]

Arcian wrote...


It's your right to not like something, but a lot of people agrees that Thane's death was well-done and that reversing it would cheapen his storyline. Look on the bright side - you who romanced Thane at least got a conclusion to your romance with him - EVERYONE ELSE got shafted by the endings. Be thankful for that, at least.

Conclusion to the romance? No, wait, we got a romance?!

Modifié par Visii, 20 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[disc0nnect7]

Just popping in to show my support for this thread. I was very disappointed with Thane's romance and his brief inclusion in the game.

[Julia_xo]

Arcian wrote...
It's your right to not like something, but a lot of people agrees that Thane's death was well-done and that reversing it would cheapen his storyline. Look on the bright side - you who romanced Thane at least got a conclusion to your romance with him - EVERYONE ELSE got shafted by the endings. Be thankful for that, at least.

We got a conclusion to Thane's romance? REALLY?  The romance was practically nonexistent.  Thane's character development from his ME2 romance arc was discarded. We got one conversation about his disease and why he can't join Shepard. When Thane dies the scene is the same exact thing whether you romanced him or not. Shepard is emotionless and can't even tell him she loves him. There is no closure, just a sense of WTF, that is only exacerbated once you get back on the ship and no one mentions or remembers him.

We're asking for a choice to keep him alive. He can stay dead in your game if that's what you want but I'd like a choice to keep him alive in mine.

Modifié par Julia_xo, 20 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[Litany of Fury]

Even if you did cure him, he'd have to get a stab-proof chest installed as well...

Anyway, I thought that his end was well played out and fitting. We knew he was going to die from the first time we met, and he went out in a blaze of glory rather than be rendered useless by his disease. He died as he lived: kicking ass and taking names.

R.I.P Thane, you magnificent assassin...

[RShara]

Daicotje wrote...

Like I've said many times already, it isn't the death of Thane itself that has many fans mad, it's the way that his romance was completely reduced to nothing.
For a Shepard who is only friends with him, I think Thane was okay. But NOT for a Shepard who romanced him.

There are many posts before this one that give you more details about why and how, so I suggest you read those.

[coldwetn0se]

Arcian wrote...

Thane's death was one of the best moments of this game.

Mordin and Legion have always in my top 5 ME characters, and their deaths crushed my soul - but it was done WELL, and ultimately that's all that matters. Thane was also very high on my list (nr 6, actually), and his death was soulcrushing as well - but it was WELL DONE.

It's your right to not like something, but a lot of people agrees that Thane's death was well-done and that reversing it would cheapen his storyline. Look on the bright side - you who romanced Thane at least got a conclusion to your romance with him - EVERYONE ELSE got shafted by the endings. Be thankful for that, at least.

no romance pretty much at all.....just no.

[stwu]

RShara wrote...

CGramn wrote...

1)
A romanced Thane is 95% the same as a friend or bromance Thane. There
is one or two extra dialogue options for him, the rest is exactly the
same as if he was not romanced.

2) His death may look cool and
have weight in the circumstances, but his death makes no impact on
anyone after the fact. When Mordin, Legion, or anyone else dies,
everyone has something to say about it. When Thane dies, everyone is
talking about how nice it is to have Kaiden/Ashley back on board. Thane
is never mentioned or shown again for the rest of the game except when
you kill Kai-Leng, which prompts the same response whether romanced or
not.

3) Thane is the only character not to get a Codex entry at all.

4)
Thane's character when romanced in ME2 is a very different character
from a non-romanced Thane. He goes from being prepared for death without
regrets, to genuine fear of dying because of the life he has found with
Femshep and the life he wants to have with her. In ME3, no matter what
you did, Thane is once again reserved to dying and your decisions have
made no impact on his character.

EDIT: 5) Your continued romance
with Thane does also not trigger the Paramour achievement, which is in
itself a huge disservice to the Thanemancers.

There are other
reasons as well, but like the Retake Mass Effect movement, I think
Thane's "Better Romance" movement along with Jacob's same effort is
often being thrown aside as "They just want a happy ending" when that's
really not what the core issue is at all. It's again the same neglect
and poor writing the ending suffers from, and one of the writers have
admitted to the fact that romanced Thane got lost somewhere in the
process.

It's all about choices, give us the choice to save Thane. I understand that many don't want him to live but you can at least help us get a CHOICE.

[CHALET]

spamhead80 wrote...

CHALET wrote...

He had a fitting end. Maybe the romance could have done with a fair bit more padding out and it would have been nice to interact with him some more even on the bro-mance side of things but considering we all knew he was inevitably going to kark it in the third game I liked it; he saved the Salarian counciller and died in relative comfort overlooking the presidum with his son and Shepard.

In a death scene that was both totally unecessary and exactly the same regardless of romance status. Win-win! Also, dying to a tool like Kai Leng is an insult to any character.

Thane himself said Kai Lang got beaten by a guy who was beating at deaths door. Better to go out that way than coughing and spluttering up blood in agony for a few hours.

[RShara]

What would make sense is that, if you romanced him in ME2, you have the OPTION to talk him in to a transplant. If he agrees, (and maybe if your Reputation is high enough) then he is strong enough to recover from the fight with Kai Leng. Strength of will, will to live makes a HUGE difference in survival odds. This isn't even a cure, but it's something that would extend him through ME 3, and leave the rest to......SPECULATION.

[wildannie]

of course I support this

[RShara]

I've started just quoting myself

[Merchant2006]

Lmao, the dude was already in his final stages of his illness. He's barely got much time left. Bahahaha, can't believe you're hoping BioWare will change it.

[RShara]

trollolololol thanks for not reading

It's only been 6 months or so since the end of ME2 (Arrival). Thane says that he as told he had 3 months to live 9 months ago. So..............he was 3 months PAST his expected life expectancy when he agreed to join up (and kicked ass)???

[N7KnightSabre]

I loved Thane and if Garrus wasn't a LI then Thane would have been the one for my Shepard. I also thought that you might have had some chance to help Thane with his illness between ME2 and ME3 because he wasn't sick enough to be unqualified for curing. With Shepard incarcerated it made it difficult but I thought Mordin might've helped or the something.

I thought his death was handled beautifully. I kept crying for days because of his prayer for Shepard. I have since watched the LI's version of the scene and was surprised that it wasn't much different so yes, I do support justice for Thane's Sihas.

[Zirinna]

I'm all for more options, especially for my Thane. But what made me the maddest was the total lack of recognition once I was back on the Normandy. Everyone talked about Kaidan being back and Udina going nuts and having to be put down like the mad dog he was. After the total lack of mention, I was almost surprised someone remembered to put him on the memorial wall.

All other deaths were mentioned by multiple people, but not Thane, its as if between the time he died and I got back on the ship, everyone forgot him. I know in the 'letter' Thane hoped that time would dim the hurt of his passing... but to completely forget him before I even leave the citadel seems a bit of a stretch.

I do however have to disagree with those who have pointed to the letter's mention of him not wanting to die in a hospital bed as being proof of them changing his char... If you actually read what it is saying it says that was how he felt before meeting Shep and joining her cause and falling in love with her. Go back and reread the letter. He 'once' accepted his fate and 'had' refused to be confined to a bed. That is past tense, back when all he had were the bad memories of his wife's death and abandonment of his son.

His expectations changed because Shepard 'awoke' him and he found reason to care about his life and that of someone else. And now he's content to spend what remaining time he has giving thanks for being able to spend his final days knowing that he was worthy of more than his 'cold isolation'.

So the fact that he dies in a hospital bed is not going against his char... it goes against who he was before meeting Shep sure. but not after.

Do I want better romance options with Thane? Most definitely
Do I want to be able to save him? Yes, but if not, I can live with him dying so long as my crew acknowledges his death.

Other than that I liked the hospital scene with the prayers, very fitting for his char. Though perhaps a longer/more involved prayer for those who romanced him would have been good.

[Tinve]

I support this petition.

"To light your path through the coming darkness. To give you hope, when all seems lost."

[Rip The Reaper]

RShara wrote...

CGramn wrote...

1)
A romanced Thane is 95% the same as a friend or bromance Thane. There
is one or two extra dialogue options for him, the rest is exactly the
same as if he was not romanced.

2) His death may look cool and
have weight in the circumstances, but his death makes no impact on
anyone after the fact. When Mordin, Legion, or anyone else dies,
everyone has something to say about it. When Thane dies, everyone is
talking about how nice it is to have Kaiden/Ashley back on board. Thane
is never mentioned or shown again for the rest of the game except when
you kill Kai-Leng, which prompts the same response whether romanced or
not.

3) Thane is the only character not to get a Codex entry at all.

4)
Thane's character when romanced in ME2 is a very different character
from a non-romanced Thane. He goes from being prepared for death without
regrets, to genuine fear of dying because of the life he has found with
Femshep and the life he wants to have with her. In ME3, no matter what
you did, Thane is once again reserved to dying and your decisions have
made no impact on his character.

EDIT: 5) Your continued romance
with Thane does also not trigger the Paramour achievement, which is in
itself a huge disservice to the Thanemancers.

There are other
reasons as well, but like the Retake Mass Effect movement, I think
Thane's "Better Romance" movement along with Jacob's same effort is
often being thrown aside as "They just want a happy ending" when that's
really not what the core issue is at all. It's again the same neglect
and poor writing the ending suffers from, and one of the writers have
admitted to the fact that romanced Thane got lost somewhere in the
process.

Thane isn't the only one they screwed. They screwed pretty much all me2 for some f'ed up reason. example.

1) Pretty much the same for Jack. a 5 line difference and a paragon interrupt.

3) Jack didn't have codex entry.

4) To a degree same is true for jack. 'There's not enough emotion, Jack is apathetic about Shepard possibly dying, when the last time he risked dying, she came to him to pour out her emotions at him.  Jack is apathetic about Shepard choosing to break up with her, and no dialogue afterward acknowledges her feelings of hurt, disappointment, anger, or betrayal.  Shepard sounds completely uninterested in Jack.  The Jack romance feels empty.  It feels like it was given token treatment only.'

5) 'Everyone gets to dance with Jack, but dancing with her when she's romanced grants the Paramour achievement, which is almost insulting.' But yes I agree Thane got it worst.

They only cared about the me1 romances for some reason it seems..

[lyssalu]

Rip The Reaper wrote...

RShara wrote...

CGramn wrote...

1)
A romanced Thane is 95% the same as a friend or bromance Thane. There
is one or two extra dialogue options for him, the rest is exactly the
same as if he was not romanced.

2) His death may look cool and
have weight in the circumstances, but his death makes no impact on
anyone after the fact. When Mordin, Legion, or anyone else dies,
everyone has something to say about it. When Thane dies, everyone is
talking about how nice it is to have Kaiden/Ashley back on board. Thane
is never mentioned or shown again for the rest of the game except when
you kill Kai-Leng, which prompts the same response whether romanced or
not.

3) Thane is the only character not to get a Codex entry at all.

4)
Thane's character when romanced in ME2 is a very different character
from a non-romanced Thane. He goes from being prepared for death without
regrets, to genuine fear of dying because of the life he has found with
Femshep and the life he wants to have with her. In ME3, no matter what
you did, Thane is once again reserved to dying and your decisions have
made no impact on his character.

EDIT: 5) Your continued romance
with Thane does also not trigger the Paramour achievement, which is in
itself a huge disservice to the Thanemancers.

There are other
reasons as well, but like the Retake Mass Effect movement, I think
Thane's "Better Romance" movement along with Jacob's same effort is
often being thrown aside as "They just want a happy ending" when that's
really not what the core issue is at all. It's again the same neglect
and poor writing the ending suffers from, and one of the writers have
admitted to the fact that romanced Thane got lost somewhere in the
process.

Thane isn't the only one they screwed. They screwed pretty much all me2 for some f'ed up reason. example.

1) Pretty much the same for Jack. a 5 line difference and a paragon interrupt.

3) Jack didn't have codex entry.

4) To a degree same is true for jack. 'There's not enough emotion, Jack is apathetic about Shepard possibly dying, when the last time he risked dying, she came to him to pour out her emotions at him.  Jack is apathetic about Shepard choosing to break up with her, and no dialogue afterward acknowledges her feelings of hurt, disappointment, anger, or betrayal.  Shepard sounds completely uninterested in Jack.  The Jack romance feels empty.  It feels like it was given token treatment only.'

5) 'Everyone gets to dance with Jack, but dancing with her when she's romanced grants the Paramour achievement, which is almost insulting.' But yes I agree Thane got it worst.

They only cared about the me1 romances for some reason it seems..

yes!  exactly.

this is why we should show solidarity!  they all got really screwed.

[lyssalu]

Arcian wrote...

Thane's death was one of the best moments of this game.

Mordin and Legion have always in my top 5 ME characters, and their deaths crushed my soul - but it was done WELL, and ultimately that's all that matters. Thane was also very high on my list (nr 6, actually), and his death was soulcrushing as well - but it was WELL DONE.

It's your right to not like something, but a lot of people agrees that Thane's death was well-done and that reversing it would cheapen his storyline. Look on the bright side - you who romanced Thane at least got a conclusion to your romance with him - EVERYONE ELSE got shafted by the endings. Be thankful for that, at least.

the people who agree with you didn't romance him.  a majority of the people who pursued him as an LI got totally ****ed with this stupid death scene and it was HORRIBLY DONE from a romantic perspective.  

compare miranda's OPTIONAL romanced death scene: www.youtube.com/watch

to thane's MANDATORY romanced death scene: www.youtube.com/watch

there's a serious decline in quality between those two scenes, and not even just in terms of the romantic aspects, and miranda didn't even have to die.  you'd think that something mandatory would have been better written than an optional scene, but there you go.  yet another disappointment from bioware.

and mass effect is about choices.  if you feel that someone dying added a lot to your ****ing enjoyment of their character arc, good for you.  those who didn't find it meaningful should have gotten a choice.

Modifié par lyssalu, 20 mars 2012 - 10:47 .

[Visii]

lyssalu wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Thane's death was one of the best moments of this game.

Mordin and Legion have always in my top 5 ME characters, and their deaths crushed my soul - but it was done WELL, and ultimately that's all that matters. Thane was also very high on my list (nr 6, actually), and his death was soulcrushing as well - but it was WELL DONE.

It's your right to not like something, but a lot of people agrees that Thane's death was well-done and that reversing it would cheapen his storyline. Look on the bright side - you who romanced Thane at least got a conclusion to your romance with him - EVERYONE ELSE got shafted by the endings. Be thankful for that, at least.

the people who agree with you didn't romance him.  a majority of the people who pursued him as an LI got totally ****ed with this stupid death scene and it was HORRIBLY DONE from a romantic perspective.  

compare miranda's OPTIONAL romanced death scene: www.youtube.com/watch

to thane's MANDATORY romanced death scene: www.youtube.com/watch

there's a serious decline in quality between those two scenes, and not even just in terms of the romantic aspects, and miranda didn't even have to die.  you'd think that something mandatory would have been better written than an optional scene, but there you go.  yet another disappointment from bioware.

and mass effect is about choices.  if you feel that someone dying added a lot to your ****ing enjoyment of their character arc, good for you.  those who didn't find it meaningful should have gotten a choice.

Don't forget, people also remembered Miranda had once been alive, afterwards.