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[Rip The Reaper]

lyssalu wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Thane's death was one of the best moments of this game.

Mordin and Legion have always in my top 5 ME characters, and their deaths crushed my soul - but it was done WELL, and ultimately that's all that matters. Thane was also very high on my list (nr 6, actually), and his death was soulcrushing as well - but it was WELL DONE.

It's your right to not like something, but a lot of people agrees that Thane's death was well-done and that reversing it would cheapen his storyline. Look on the bright side - you who romanced Thane at least got a conclusion to your romance with him - EVERYONE ELSE got shafted by the endings. Be thankful for that, at least.

the people who agree with you didn't romance him.  a majority of the people who pursued him as an LI got totally ****ed with this stupid death scene and it was HORRIBLY DONE from a romantic perspective.  

compare miranda's OPTIONAL romanced death scene: www.youtube.com/watch

to thane's MANDATORY romanced death scene: www.youtube.com/watch

there's a serious decline in quality between those two scenes, and not even just in terms of the romantic aspects, and miranda didn't even have to die.  you'd think that something mandatory would have been better written than an optional scene, but there you go.  yet another disappointment from bioware.

and mass effect is about choices.  if you feel that someone dying added a lot to your ****ing enjoyment of their character arc, good for you.  those who didn't find it meaningful should have gotten a choice.

Yes. After going through the break-up scenes with Miranda and then Jack. Just like the Thane vs Miranda death scenes, it makes you go wtf. It makes me think that it was just a popularity contest, and bioware chose their focus accordingly. that's messed up.

[Cosmochyck]

Rip The Reaper wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Thane's death was one of the best moments of this game.

Mordin and Legion have always in my top 5 ME characters, and their deaths crushed my soul - but it was done WELL, and ultimately that's all that matters. Thane was also very high on my list (nr 6, actually), and his death was soulcrushing as well - but it was WELL DONE.

It's your right to not like something, but a lot of people agrees that Thane's death was well-done and that reversing it would cheapen his storyline. Look on the bright side - you who romanced Thane at least got a conclusion to your romance with him - EVERYONE ELSE got shafted by the endings. Be thankful for that, at least.

the people who agree with you didn't romance him.  a majority of the people who pursued him as an LI got totally ****ed with this stupid death scene and it was HORRIBLY DONE from a romantic perspective.  

compare miranda's OPTIONAL romanced death scene: www.youtube.com/watch

to thane's MANDATORY romanced death scene: www.youtube.com/watch

there's a serious decline in quality between those two scenes, and not even just in terms of the romantic aspects, and miranda didn't even have to die.  you'd think that something mandatory would have been better written than an optional scene, but there you go.  yet another disappointment from bioware.

and mass effect is about choices.  if you feel that someone dying added a lot to your ****ing enjoyment of their character arc, good for you.  those who didn't find it meaningful should have gotten a choice.

Yes. After going through the break-up scenes with Miranda and then Jack. Just like the Thane vs Miranda death scenes, it makes you go wtf. It makes me think that it was just a popularity contest, and bioware chose their focus accordingly. that's messed up.

Sure they chose - Liara first, then VS, then Garrus/Tali then everyone else - who are all those people?  Where did they come from?  Oh, I know - ME2!!!!

Yes we should have an option to cure/save Thane.  I've said it before and I'll say it again. 

[kitteh-1]

I can get behind this. On the whole I'm OK with him dying, but his character/the romance was treated very poorly. I could've written it better, and I'm an undergrad in a field having nothing to do with writing. o_O''

What bugged me especially was after the first time you talk to him, if you ask him for some alone time, he's just like "lol no." And I kind of went "...uh?"
Also, LITERALLY NO ONE says "Hey Shepard, sorry Thane died" or anything to that effect. Kaidan just tried to get into my pants pretty much immediately, which irked me a little.

Just to reiterate, I'm fine if he lives or dies. Just don't throw the Thane fans under the bus. o_o

[LucyMaire]

Yes, please, this petition would be amazing.
And it is just infuriating me to see people against the petition when they don't realize the reason we want it. Thane's death was "well done." Not really, since he was not mentioned once after it and Shepard just remained basically impassive the entire time. Even if you romanced him. In comparison to the emotional Miranda-death scene, it's just...maddening.
People who romanced Thane want more than ONE scene with him, and a CHOICE to save him like there was for EVERY.OTHER.LI. Name one other LI that *had* to die. People are also saying a cure wouldn't be realistic. Umm...several months ago it was discussed on the Cerberus network that the Hanar would have a cure ready in six months. ME3 is nine months from ME2. So, no it's not unrealistic. And honestly, who cares about realism in a game where you bring someone back from the dead after their body was burnt to a crisp? If the people at Bioware can pass that as possible, then it shouldn't be too fricken hard to think of a cure for Thane.
To all of the people against this petition: Imagine if your absolute favorite LI from Mass Effect was given one scene (a crappy one that was all about them dying), and then they died and Shepard didn't even shed a tear, and a minute later another LI (Kaidan, in this case) says he forgives you for cheating. Oh, and no one even acknowledges your LI's death.
It's not fair!! Bioware makes great characters that are so easy to get emotionally attached to. And then they do things like this....
I'm just asking you to try to see it from our point of view. You would hate it if it happened to you.

Modifié par LucyMaire, 20 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[Saodade]

I support Thane remission . if you not support Thane what are you doing here ?

My shepard would gladly rip off herself 3/4 of her implants; biotics and dtuff to give them to Thane if it could help.
Save him ; let him come with us till the end as he wanted to stay close till the end ;(

[Saodade]

Or maybe give us a toolset

[RShara]

I'd learn a toolset to fix this crap!

[utaker1988]

I'd love a toolset. Hee hee...what fun I had with the DA:O one.

[spamhead80]

LadyPaine wrote...

I loved Thane and if Garrus wasn't a LI then Thane would have been the one for my Shepard. I also thought that you might have had some chance to help Thane with his illness between ME2 and ME3 because he wasn't sick enough to be unqualified for curing. With Shepard incarcerated it made it difficult but I thought Mordin might've helped or the something.

I thought his death was handled beautifully. I kept crying for days because of his prayer for Shepard. I have since watched the LI's version of the scene and was surprised that it wasn't much different so yes, I do support justice for Thane's Sihas.

Thanks for this . I'm all for other LI's getting their due as well, and I'd never begrudge someone else whatever good stuff Bioware might manage to throw at them.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

This is stupid. I support change to the endings. But making petitions over noble character deaths? Thane told you in ME2 that he was going to die and had the best doctors, and there is no cure.

He felt too sick and ill to go on the Normandy. He was in pain. He died herocally which is what he always wanted instead of a grim slow and painful death.

[spamhead80]

Just going to continue to post this here for all of the "helpful" people who have read none of the thread and think that everyone is b*tching because Thane died.

CGramn wrote...

1) A romanced Thane is 95% the same as a friend or bromance Thane. There
is one or two extra dialogue options for him, the rest is exactly the
same as if he was not romanced.

2) His death may look cool and have weight in the circumstances, but his death makes no impact on
anyone after the fact. When Mordin, Legion, or anyone else dies,
everyone has something to say about it. When Thane dies, everyone is
talking about how nice it is to have Kaiden/Ashley back on board. Thane
is never mentioned or shown again for the rest of the game except when
you kill Kai-Leng, which prompts the same response whether romanced or
not.

3) Thane is the only character not to get a Codex entry at all (edit: apparently Jack doesn't either).

4)Thane's character when romanced in ME2 is a very different character
from a non-romanced Thane. He goes from being prepared for death without
regrets, to genuine fear of dying because of the life he has found with
Femshep and the life he wants to have with her. In ME3, no matter what
you did, Thane is once again reserved to dying and your decisions have
made no impact on his character.

EDIT: 5) Your continued romance
with Thane does also not trigger the Paramour achievement, which is in
itself a huge disservice to the Thanemancers.

There are other
reasons as well, but like the Retake Mass Effect movement, I think
Thane's "Better Romance" movement along with Jacob's same effort is
often being thrown aside as "They just want a happy ending" when that's
really not what the core issue is at all. It's again the same neglect
and poor writing the ending suffers from, and one of the writers have
admitted to the fact that romanced Thane got lost somewhere in the
process.

Modifié par spamhead80, 21 mars 2012 - 02:11 .

[mnomaha]

Yeah, yeah, move along.

A toolset would be great! I support your learning RShara!

[LucyMaire]

@Pr3yingM4nti5 360 Again, you're missing the point. We chose to romance him, but Bioware must have forgotten it. We were given one scene with him, with barely any acknowledgement of our relationship, and then he dIes (again with barely any acknowledgement of our relationship). We want Bioware to stay true to the hints they gave that Thane would survive, and we want a chance to save him. If you prefer him dying, than that's your choice. Mass effect is about choices. He's an LI, so we should have that choice for him.

Modifié par LucyMaire, 21 mars 2012 - 02:15 .

[Nube9]

 I’m by no means a talented writer, I mostly just draw.
So I
ask for your cooperation in writing this.
BRAINSTORMING PHASE

For now I’ll just write a skeleton rough draft, I’m counting
on your guy’s help to get to a final version.



For the skeleton rough draft I am including Jacob  Taylor, since a lot of fans in the forum also
seem extremely disappointed, with due reason, on how his story was carried out.
However I’ll have to leave that up to his fans to add input on. If you have
good cause to add another character to this petition, perhaps Jack, feel free
to do so. That ball is entirely on your court.

Repost with edits if necessary.

Again, please bear with me, this is mostly brainstorming, and by no means something I would even think about submitting in a state anywhere near this. 

-Tentative Title (“Save our Characters, save our Game petition
“)

 

Thesis statement

*We the fans the Mass Effect franchise, formally petition
Bioware to readdress not only the disappointing endings to one of the most
beloved franchises in recent memory, but also the storyline of the characters
we have come to love and how they are treated in the game.

(-need a better thesis statement)

*We the fans, do not believe the treatment of its characters
and story is just to what the series has been building up to.

* Staff members have publicly admitted to the negligent
treatment of its characters.

By publicly making these statements, we hope the company is
sincere to its large fanbase and is willing to make amends.

In answer to their sincerity we the fans have collaborated
in this petition to voice what we hope Bioware will readdress for the future of
MassEffect 3 and its franchise.

 

This petition is meant mostly to these characters, whose
stories were botched and inconsistent if they were a romantic interest in ME2.

Thane Krios

-First and foremost we want a choice to save Thane Krios.

*there were hints at a cure

*for those that are his fans, his disease never  defined him, and it was a real character
development when he overcame that 
complacency with his disease at the end of Me2.

*This is a game about choice, we deserve this choice.

- the choice shouldn’t be easy either, if you want to keep
it emotionally charged  the writers can
implement it as a hard choice, and the game designers could make it a hard to
quest to do. This sort of game design involves the player, and is much more
emotionally intense than when the player is given no input in the matter.
Bioware has been developing this sort of involvement since the series first
started,  taking so much control from the
player is a step back.

(Ill need Jack and Jacob fans to help me out on this one, )

Jacob Taylor

Jack

Side note on Tali.

Her picture was a badly photoshoped stock photo

WTF!?!?

Lets make this happen people 
"It is difficult, all things worth keeping are"

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

LucyMaire wrote...

@Pr3yingM4nti5 360 Again, you're missing the point. We chose to romance him, but Bioware must have forgotten it. We were given one scene with him, with barely any acknowledgement of our relationship, and then he dIes (again with barely any acknowledgement of our relationship). We want Bioware to stay true to the hints they gave that Thane would survive, and we want a chance to save him. If you prefer him dying, than that's your choice. Mass effect is about choices. He's an LI, so we should have that choice for him.

You romanced him in ME2, after he was abundantly clear he would die. It's a bittersweet romance. You enjoy the time you have with him. So no you can't save him.

That said... I do agree with you on the acknowledging the relationship part, but whats the point, voice actor is gone now. They aren't going to re-hire him to fix the scene.

Focus on things they can change.

[tobynator89]

Krios is dead, deal with it.

[JECW]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

LucyMaire wrote...

@Pr3yingM4nti5 360 Again, you're missing the point. We chose to romance him, but Bioware must have forgotten it. We were given one scene with him, with barely any acknowledgement of our relationship, and then he dIes (again with barely any acknowledgement of our relationship). We want Bioware to stay true to the hints they gave that Thane would survive, and we want a chance to save him. If you prefer him dying, than that's your choice. Mass effect is about choices. He's an LI, so we should have that choice for him.

You romanced him in ME2, after he was abundantly clear he would die. It's a bittersweet romance. You enjoy the time you have with him. So no you can't save him.

That said... I do agree with you on the acknowledging the relationship part, but whats the point, voice actor is gone now. They aren't going to re-hire him to fix the scene.

Focus on things they can change.

We don't see it that way. We have explained why we are doing this if you would bother to read.
If you don't like it then don't read it. Why are you even hear? You won't change our minds, and we won't try to change yours so lets just leave it at that.

[JECW]

tobynator89 wrote...

Krios is dead, deal with it.

Clearly someone else who has nothing to do. 

[coldwetn0se]

@JECW - the guys a trolololo....he's in a couple other threads tossing **** around there too.

[RShara]

I don't understand why people would go into a petition thread just to poop all over it. If you don't agree, don't sign. Is that so hard?

And if any of them would just read any of the previous posts and see where we're coming from, it's really not that hard to understand.

[mnomaha]

Don't feed them. They're just grumpy because they didn't get their after school snacks.

[RShara]

Nube9 I like it so far

[LucyMaire]

Me too, I think the Thane part is good! I can't add to the Jack romance, I'll have to watch that one.
For the Jacob romance, he should just *not* cheat on you. If he's your LI there should be nothing between him and Brynn.

[spamhead80]

Rip The Reaper wrote...

RShara wrote...

CGramn wrote...

1)
A romanced Thane is 95% the same as a friend or bromance Thane. There
is one or two extra dialogue options for him, the rest is exactly the
same as if he was not romanced.

2) His death may look cool and
have weight in the circumstances, but his death makes no impact on
anyone after the fact. When Mordin, Legion, or anyone else dies,
everyone has something to say about it. When Thane dies, everyone is
talking about how nice it is to have Kaiden/Ashley back on board. Thane
is never mentioned or shown again for the rest of the game except when
you kill Kai-Leng, which prompts the same response whether romanced or
not.

3) Thane is the only character not to get a Codex entry at all.

4)
Thane's character when romanced in ME2 is a very different character
from a non-romanced Thane. He goes from being prepared for death without
regrets, to genuine fear of dying because of the life he has found with
Femshep and the life he wants to have with her. In ME3, no matter what
you did, Thane is once again reserved to dying and your decisions have
made no impact on his character.

EDIT: 5) Your continued romance
with Thane does also not trigger the Paramour achievement, which is in
itself a huge disservice to the Thanemancers.

There are other
reasons as well, but like the Retake Mass Effect movement, I think
Thane's "Better Romance" movement along with Jacob's same effort is
often being thrown aside as "They just want a happy ending" when that's
really not what the core issue is at all. It's again the same neglect
and poor writing the ending suffers from, and one of the writers have
admitted to the fact that romanced Thane got lost somewhere in the
process.

Thane isn't the only one they screwed. They screwed pretty much all me2 for some f'ed up reason. example.

1) Pretty much the same for Jack. a 5 line difference and a paragon interrupt.

3) Jack didn't have codex entry.

4) To a degree same is true for jack. 'There's not enough emotion, Jack is apathetic about Shepard possibly dying, when the last time he risked dying, she came to him to pour out her emotions at him.  Jack is apathetic about Shepard choosing to break up with her, and no dialogue afterward acknowledges her feelings of hurt, disappointment, anger, or betrayal.  Shepard sounds completely uninterested in Jack.  The Jack romance feels empty.  It feels like it was given token treatment only.'

5) 'Everyone gets to dance with Jack, but dancing with her when she's romanced grants the Paramour achievement, which is almost insulting.' But yes I agree Thane got it worst.

They only cared about the me1 romances for some reason it seems..

Rip the Reapers portion of this should help for the Jack romance section. 

[Luminova]

Petition Supported.

Say what you will about Thane's great death scene.

Thane Romancers were completely neglected (even admittedly so by a Bioware employee) and it is unacceptable given the amount of work put into other relationships in ME3.