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[devSin]

This makes no sense, but I respect that you believe it.

After the ending, I want to believe it too, even though I don't.

We all deal with it in different ways, I suppose.

[Rockworm503]

slimgrin wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...


Bioware will release the new endings, picking up where the "bonus" scene at the end left off, and we will feel all the more immersed in their game world for it, we will all take out the extra 10-15$ they will ask for it, and
we will all love them for it, because even though it was what we were expecting to come with the full game, we will gladly pay more to be enthralled even more into the game world.

The hell I will. I lose even more respect for them if they release a 'real' ending via DLC.

Indeed everyone who will happily pay for DLC for a "proper ending" are just encouraging this kind of thing.
If its not going to be free then any chance of me ever buying anything from Bioware ever again will be gone.

[pLaY3R1T0]

were all delusional because we want to believe this

[Overule]

I'll relax when Bioware says this. No offense to OP.

[Avissel]

The real endings are already here, they are just awful

[PlasmaCannon]

There isn't enough story left with Cmdr. Shepard to warrant another game, let alone 30-40 hours of game play. We were about to get to the climax of the game, which means maybe one to two hours max left of game play, boss fight, closing scenes. Mass Effect 4 cant work anyways, Bioware dug themselves a hole with the three endings. All the relays blowing up is a no go. Honestly i think mass effect should be a 3 and out trilogy. Take control of a human hero in the future, go on many great adventures, hero lives or sacrifices himself to save galaxy, end of story. That's all we need, id rather the rest of the galaxy stay a mystery.

[IST]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

They've already said this is how they intended to end it, this IS the real end. If it changes it's because we held the line

Yes, that was the real end of the game.. but that doesn't mean that the follow up DLC wasn't planned, it just means they INTENDED it to end with "The Breath" - leaving it open for the DLC to follow up the Indoctrinated goodness...

No ending needs changing - tick

Nothing needs to be retconned due to it being an Indoctrinated vision - so the lore and plot holes are moot.. they never ACTUALLY happened - tick

It all makes sense - and if you say you "I love the endings how they are and there will be no endgame DLC"... can you please explain why. as I cannot fathom how one could like them if taken literally.. 

I love them because IMO they are visions.. but seriously, if you think those are real and love them... Marauder Shields already has you in his sights with his space magic gun... better go talk to Buzz Aldrin so he can call you "his sweet" and take you under his 2 moon protection.. lulz... 

[BiancoAngelo7]

Khayness wrote...

It's not brilliant.

Try to screen a movie with the ending included months after on the DVD release only.

Please don't misunderstand me, rereading what I wrote I see it may have come across as though I admire them for what they are doing.

I do not.

I believe it is ingenious and courageous from a purely business "make more money and publicity" stand point, but it is definitely an extremely negative way to trat loyal fans who have supported your work for almost 7 years.

That is of course, if they ask us to pay for it.

If instead they release the "real" ending for free, as it should be, then it would effectively be a masterful stroke on the part of Bioware, and I'll even add that it would be so whether it was all intended from the beginning or if they came up with this strategy to save the sorry state of the current ending.

[PlasmaCannon]

DEMIKLY wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

They've already said this is how they intended to end it, this IS the real end. If it changes it's because we held the line

Yes, that was the real end of the game.. but that doesn't mean that the follow up DLC wasn't planned, it just means they INTENDED it to end with "The Breath" - leaving it open for the DLC to follow up the Indoctrinated goodness...

No ending needs changing - tick

Nothing needs to be retconned due to it being an Indoctrinated vision - so the lore and plot holes are moot.. they never ACTUALLY happened - tick

It all makes sense - and if you say you "I love the endings how they are and there will be no endgame DLC"... can you please explain why. as I cannot fathom how one could like them if taken literally.. 

I love them because IMO they are visions.. but seriously, if you think those are real and love them... Marauder Shields already has you in his sights with his space magic gun... better go talk to Buzz Aldrin so he can call you "his sweet" and take you under his 2 moon protection.. lulz... 

The worse thing they could have done was left the series open to speculation, especially with the breath scene.   If i wanted a total mind f**k ending i would go watch inception or memento.  They had a vision alright, but it was way off basis and i cant believe they let these endings go especially with them investing 5 years of time into 3 games.  HOW....do you write all that amazing dialogue between characters for interaction, but drop the ball on the ending of the series.  If they had threaded the needle with the ending, man.... this series would be right up there with a modern day Star Wars.

at this point, if they said at E3 in June, that ME4 was in the works, i think it would enrage people even more.

Modifié par PlasmaCannon, 20 mars 2012 - 12:46 .

[Shinobu]

I hope you are right. Until then I will hold the line.

No money for DLC, MP packs or anything else until the ending is fixed.

[Arkitekt]

The "real ending" was already done and it's the one we saw in game.

I understand the "Retake ME3" and I kinda wish you good luck (though I find it a fools' errand, I can be wrong...), but the OP is just daydreaming wishful fantasies. Get out of that Asari eternal embrace, that sh*t is rotting your brains out.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Arkitekt wrote...

The "real ending" was already done and it's the one we saw in game.

I understand the "Retake ME3" and I kinda wish you good luck (though I find it a fools' errand, I can be wrong...), but the OP is just daydreaming wishful fantasies. Get out of that Asari eternal embrace, that sh*t is rotting your brains out.

You may be right of course, but did you actually take a second to read what I wrote? I would be interested to know why you may dissagree beyond the point of it seeming unlikely because we are used to receiving our ending within the game we buy.

I think all the deductions I have made from a business and artistic standpoint seem to point that my theory is correct.

[Rockworm503]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The "real ending" was already done and it's the one we saw in game.

I understand the "Retake ME3" and I kinda wish you good luck (though I find it a fools' errand, I can be wrong...), but the OP is just daydreaming wishful fantasies. Get out of that Asari eternal embrace, that sh*t is rotting your brains out.

You may be right of course, but did you actually take a second to read what I wrote? I would be interested to know why you may dissagree beyond the point of it seeming unlikely because we are used to receiving our ending within the game we buy.

I think all the deductions I have made from a business and artistic standpoint seem to point that my theory is correct.

Yeah I think they will at some point if nothing else the extra money for another DLC I mean this is one everyone is begging for.
However there are some of us who wont stand for that.
Any "proper ending" DLC better be free because I rather fanwank the end to makyself feel better about it then buy an official one.
That kind of greed should NEVER be encouraged.

[AlienSpaceBats]

I hope you're right.
If you're not, the damage this 'ending' debacle will cause EA and BW in the futurecould be huge.

[slimgrin]

I say they just give everyone complimentary Marauder Shields t-shirts and call it good.

[Bluko]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I don't feel like writing a wall'o text

Mmm you sure about that OP?

But yeah I would not be surprised if they purposely cut out the meat of the endings to sell back to us later. They know people are desperate for their Mass Effect fix and that people will pull out their wallet if need be. Probably just waiting another month or two so that the more casual folks can see the ending and throw up and clean it all up at once. Then in like April Bioware will give us "new" endings and we'll praise them for it.

That or they goofed up really really really bad. Could be possible as they said they were working on the endings up until November. So that's pretty last minute as they should have had the endings set in stone like a year ago. Though I bet when EA twisted their arm to add MP they had to change a lot of things to accomodate all the EMS junk. And hooray for the fact you do need MP to get that little extra ending unless you have like a perfect import.

Personally I don't care. I will pay money to have these garbage endings scrubbed from my memory. Personally I don't have much hope for the "Indoctrination Theory" considering what Deception and Arrival were like. Frankly I will be subscribing to the "Intoxication Theory" every time something reminds of ME3's ending.

[OdanUrr]

Einstein dismissed the Quantum Theory but it still works to this day. Even the great ones can make mistakes.

[meisjoe]

The reason you feel that way is because the ending was completely ludicrous... but that doesn't mean it wasn't meant to be the final ending.

You're going to have to start accepting the fact that they just delivered an astoundingly awful ending... and that's all there is to it...

[IST]

PlasmaCannon wrote...

DEMIKLY wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

They've already said this is how they intended to end it, this IS the real end. If it changes it's because we held the line

Yes, that was the real end of the game.. but that doesn't mean that the follow up DLC wasn't planned, it just means they INTENDED it to end with "The Breath" - leaving it open for the DLC to follow up the Indoctrinated goodness...

No ending needs changing - tick

Nothing needs to be retconned due to it being an Indoctrinated vision - so the lore and plot holes are moot.. they never ACTUALLY happened - tick

It all makes sense - and if you say you "I love the endings how they are and there will be no endgame DLC"... can you please explain why. as I cannot fathom how one could like them if taken literally.. 

I love them because IMO they are visions.. but seriously, if you think those are real and love them... Marauder Shields already has you in his sights with his space magic gun... better go talk to Buzz Aldrin so he can call you "his sweet" and take you under his 2 moon protection.. lulz... 

The worse thing they could have done was left the series open to speculation, especially with the breath scene.   If i wanted a total mind f**k ending i would go watch inception or memento.  They had a vision alright, but it was way off basis and i cant believe they let these endings go especially with them investing 5 years of time into 3 games.  HOW....do you write all that amazing dialogue between characters for interaction, but drop the ball on the ending of the series.  If they had threaded the needle with the ending, man.... this series would be right up there with a modern day Star Wars.

at this point, if they said at E3 in June, that ME4 was in the works, i think it would enrage people even more.

BRO, I totally hear you : I've played ME1 9 times, ME2 12 times.. and ME3 once.. and can't touch it till the DLC drops.. I have invested 100s of hours into Mass Effect.. read all the books (and I don't read novels EVER), comics and anything else ME that comes my way.. so I agree, it's not ideal.

It is a bit of a mind frak, but then again - I'd rather have that (with the door wide open for ending continuation DLC), than a really ****e ending that leaves no room for any DLC to continue from it - to effectively "fix" it for lack of a better word.
I don't see the endings as broken, but I see BW's implimentation and execution of the endings as broken.. they should reveal DLC ASAP, if for nothing else but to stop the bleeding from their bottom end - this drama must be hurting sales by now.

[kbct]

OdanUrr wrote...

Einstein dismissed the Quantum Theory but it still works to this day. Even the great ones can make mistakes.

Fall down seven times. Stand up eight.

[OdanUrr]

kbct wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Einstein dismissed the Quantum Theory but it still works to this day. Even the great ones can make mistakes.

Fall down seven times. Stand up eight.

"Nana-Korobi, Ya-Oki"?

[nullobject]

I don't feel like writing a wall o'text

...writes a wall of text.

I get it, this is an ironic comment on the:

"We couldn't just give people a choice of ending A, B or C" statement from Casey Hudson.

[LegendaryBlade]

DEMIKLY wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

They've already said this is how they intended to end it, this IS the real end. If it changes it's because we held the line

Yes, that was the real end of the game.. but that doesn't mean that the follow up DLC wasn't planned, it just means they INTENDED it to end with "The Breath" - leaving it open for the DLC to follow up the Indoctrinated goodness...

No ending needs changing - tick

Nothing needs to be retconned due to it being an Indoctrinated vision - so the lore and plot holes are moot.. they never ACTUALLY happened - tick

It all makes sense - and if you say you "I love the endings how they are and there will be no endgame DLC"... can you please explain why. as I cannot fathom how one could like them if taken literally.. 

I love them because IMO they are visions.. but seriously, if you think those are real and love them... Marauder Shields already has you in his sights with his space magic gun... better go talk to Buzz Aldrin so he can call you "his sweet" and take you under his 2 moon protection.. lulz... 

"If we made any DLC, it would probably take place before or during the events of ME3, not after" - This pretty much confirms they had no post-ending DLC planned

Edit: Also are you sure you even quoted the right person, I sure as hell don't mention loving the endings. I think it's pretty obvious I want them changed too. You're nuts bro.

Modifié par LegendaryBlade, 20 mars 2012 - 02:00 .

[scott1118]

I paid £40 for my game. Why would i pay £40 for an incomplete game to then pay more to find out how it ends by DLC. It is a marketing stunt that if works will lead every other developer into the same thing forcing people to PAY to find the ending of their game.

[AlexMBrennan]

If OP is right, then this is neither artistic, immersive nor courageous - it's just Bioware intentionally removing content to sell as DLC (which they said they wouldn't, but hey, silly of me to believe them) i.e. greed. I think it's disturbing how many people would back that. Note that it's only courage if you've thought things through and are aware of how badly it can go wrong.

However, OP is wrong and in denial (or possibly bargaining?)

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 20 mars 2012 - 02:12 .