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[II Durbin II]

For someone who didn't want a wall of text...you sure made one up just the same.

Loss of cred...next

[BiancoAngelo7]

II Durbin II wrote...

For someone who didn't want a wall of text...you sure made one up just the same.

Loss of cred...next

Haha for someone who had surprisingly little to say...you sure came across as extremely patronizing and arrogant.

Go troll somewhere else...next.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Never trust to hope OP, its futile. However, I would gladly s h i t on my pants and suck on it if the ending we just witnessed is indeed indoctrination or an elaborate misdirection to an add-on that properly ends the game.

The problem is will Bioware swallow the red pill and release this as paid content?

[justlogme]

Bioware itself stated there was no ending DLC planned as of last night Sunday.
Saying relax its coming is just being delusional. It may yet come after Biowares PR reps get done playing the PR 'we're listening game to try and wait everyone to death but only if people keep up the pressure . Surely not if we all just relax and shut up like Bioware would like

[BiancoAngelo7]

justlogme wrote...

Bioware itself stated there was no ending DLC planned as of last night Sunday.
Saying relax its coming is just being delusional. It may yet come after Biowares PR reps get done playing the PR 'we're listening game to try and wait everyone to death but only if people keep up the pressure . Surely not if we all just relax and shut up like Bioware would like

Oh please don't misunderstand, I by no means am advocating that we just shut up about it.

When I said in the thread title "relax" I meant it more as a way of trying to help people see that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, not that we should all just be happy go lucky and trust that everything will be fixed on its own.

I admitted right from the start that my reasoning is not perfect, and that it IS possible that the endings are just THAT BAD, end of story.

However, I meant it more as an overall "keep hope alive, here is why".

Thanks for bringing that up. We rarely think of covering all the bases when we want to express ourselves. Especially when on the interwebz. 

[Takamori The Templar]

You know why they won't do a real ending?
Because they are too arrogant to admit the **** up.
Congratulations you made an ending worse then the Deus Ex: HR that was basically push button receive bacon.

[Darth Death]

I can only speak for myself, but a new ending wouldn't change anything in my eyes. I'll always remember the original endings & how unsatisfying they were.

[justlogme]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

DEMIKLY wrote...

kbct wrote...

Any proof? Did BioWare/EA actually say something?

There is single player DLC on the way.
N7 is breathing and still on Earth as per sequence.
"Not the last we have heard of Shepard" - Casey Hudson.

I take Casey's statement above meaning there will be further DLC that happens during the course of the game involving Shepard, not that we'll get the post-current ending that most want.

  Casey's notes on sell via ME3: the final hours iphone ap already state DLC will be prior to the end or concureenlt. Not post ending.
  Sadly some want to believe so hard they would believe that bioware would sacrifice the majority of their fan base for a silly ending gimick. Bioware is losing money and customers NOW waiting a few more weeks to say "Gotcha april fools heres the real ending you need to pay for." Would simply put the nail in the coffin and prove to FTC that they were falsely advertising, and using deceptive and underhanded marketing practices.

[Takamori The Templar]

Darth Death wrote...

I can only speak for myself, but a new ending wouldn't change anything in my eyes. I'll always remember the original endings & how unsatisfying they were.

If they release the ending fix for free, I will actually get the message, sorry mass effect fans, we admit that screwed up really hard.
Won't be all in flowers because they didn't use ****ing common sense to avoid all this fiasco.

[IST]

justlogme wrote...

Bioware itself stated there was no ending DLC planned as of last night Sunday.
Saying relax its coming is just being delusional. It may yet come after Biowares PR reps get done playing the PR 'we're listening game to try and wait everyone to death but only if people keep up the pressure . Surely not if we all just relax and shut up like Bioware would like

They recanted that quick as a flash, and apologised publicly for the 'misunderstanding'.

[Darth Death]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I can only speak for myself, but a new ending wouldn't change anything in my eyes. I'll always remember the original endings & how unsatisfying they were.

If they release the ending fix for free, I will actually get the message, sorry mass effect fans, we admit that screwed up really hard.
Won't be all in flowers because they didn't use ****ing common sense to avoid all this fiasco.

What happens if it isn't free? Will BioWare still be sorry then? 

[IST]

justlogme wrote...

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

DEMIKLY wrote...

kbct wrote...

Any proof? Did BioWare/EA actually say something?

There is single player DLC on the way.
N7 is breathing and still on Earth as per sequence.
"Not the last we have heard of Shepard" - Casey Hudson.

I take Casey's statement above meaning there will be further DLC that happens during the course of the game involving Shepard, not that we'll get the post-current ending that most want.

  Casey's notes on sell via ME3: the final hours iphone ap already state DLC will be prior to the end or concureenlt. Not post ending.
  Sadly some want to believe so hard they would believe that bioware would sacrifice the majority of their fan base for a silly ending gimick. Bioware is losing money and customers NOW waiting a few more weeks to say "Gotcha april fools heres the real ending you need to pay for." Would simply put the nail in the coffin and prove to FTC that they were falsely advertising, and using deceptive and underhanded marketing practices.

The notes say that there WILL be pre-endgame DLC (during the war), there is no mention of there being no endgame DLC in addition.. just that there will be mid-game stuff added at some stage.

Quite different to stating there will be none no?

Modifié par DEMIKLY, 20 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[Docmeff22]

As much as it would be nice that this was all an elaborate ruse to "indoctrinate" the fans, it isn't.  I think Bioware is truly surprised that their magnum opus has crashed so badly. 

The reality is that they intended this ending, it feels rushed.  It almost feels like a quick re-write and almost like a "see, this is what you get for leaking the story early" type ending.  I find it hard to believe that the writing can be so good in all three games only to fail miserably at the end.

Irregardless, this is not an indoctrination ploy by Bioware.  Even if they come out and say, "Hey everybody, here is the REAL ending, you've all been indoctrinated!  Aren't we clever?  See how we FOOLED all of you!?"

I wouldn't believe it was their intention after all this.  If they really, truly planned this, then there is NO WAY they can go through with it now after the fan outrage.  It would seem cheap and they would be accused of just stealing the idea to bail themselves out.

No, they thought these were acceptable endings and are truly surprised that within a matter of ten minutes they destroyed 5 years of Mass Effect.

[Metalrocks]

we have the real ending already in the game. and it sucks. a DLC might make us happier if the ending is more satisfying but the fact that the real ending is in the final product, will not go away that easily.

[PlasmaCannon]

Whats the whole point of showing us the finals stuff on an ipad app? Shows off all the stuff they cut and actually shows the direction of the endings between hudson and the main writers. It shows that they arexthe definitive endings and believed they would be sufficient. Why did bioware even come out a couple weeks before release and even tell us that many wouldnt like the end?

[kbct]

Docmeff22 wrote...

As much as it would be nice that this was all an elaborate ruse to "indoctrinate" the fans, it isn't.  I think Bioware is truly surprised that their magnum opus has crashed so badly. 

The reality is that they intended this ending, it feels rushed.  It almost feels like a quick re-write and almost like a "see, this is what you get for leaking the story early" type ending.  I find it hard to believe that the writing can be so good in all three games only to fail miserably at the end.

Irregardless, this is not an indoctrination ploy by Bioware.  Even if they come out and say, "Hey everybody, here is the REAL ending, you've all been indoctrinated!  Aren't we clever?  See how we FOOLED all of you!?"

I wouldn't believe it was their intention after all this.  If they really, truly planned this, then there is NO WAY they can go through with it now after the fan outrage.  It would seem cheap and they would be accused of just stealing the idea to bail themselves out.

No, they thought these were acceptable endings and are truly surprised that within a matter of ten minutes they destroyed 5 years of Mass Effect.

Agreed. If it was planned, they would have never let their customers burn down the interent only to reveal their intentions later. They are in damage control mode right now and are probably looking at their sales figures and forecasts and determining the best course of action.

Modifié par kbct, 20 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[l DryIce l]

You sound delusional. Would any of you honestly pay 10-15 more dollars just to get a different ending? That's ridiculous. Sure, the endings don't make sense. Is it fair? No.

However, admitting that you'd pay for them fixing a mistake is just...ugh. And there's just no way this was done on purpose. You don't just release something bad on purpose so you can do a "gotcha" later on with dlc...free or not. It's unheard of.

[Brass_Buckles]

This is not, I think, a marketing ploy. If it is, then releasing such an unsatisfying ending only to anger fans is, at best, shooting themselves in the foot. Because angry fans often equal lost fans, and those fans are unlikely to return to Bioware even if the ending is remade. Especially if a new ending is charged for.

As illogical as it seems, I believe they genuinely felt that most players would be happy with/in awe of their endings. Either that, or, the game simply isn't finished and no one dares to tell the fans that. And to me, that is the theory that makes the most sense, even beyond indoctrination theory (which I agree also makes sense, given context and clues--but even if that theory is correct, the ending still seems incomplete and the concept not fully fleshed out).

This is not a marketing ploy, no. The ending was just really, truly that terrible.

[Takamori The Templar]

Darth Death wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I can only speak for myself, but a new ending wouldn't change anything in my eyes. I'll always remember the original endings & how unsatisfying they were.

If they release the ending fix for free, I will actually get the message, sorry mass effect fans, we admit that screwed up really hard.
Won't be all in flowers because they didn't use ****ing common sense to avoid all this fiasco.

What happens if it isn't free? Will BioWare still be sorry then? 

That will makes thing worse, making us look like retards for more greedy crash grab.
I would open a youtube video, watch the ending and thats it, no way I would give money for a ****ing patch.

[Kerilus]

If one of the devs or the marketing fellows come in and goes like, "YES! That's exactly what we are doing!", I would laugh my royal arse off.

[ShaggyWolf]

Yeah, as much as I hate the ending, I won't pay them to fix it. At least not if I intend to play any single player game again. Because if they do sell us the 'real ending DLC', every game developer is going to look at the massive sales numbers and say to each other: "Hey! We can do that too!"

[Lecram Nella]

What I find funny is that in a way the ending(s?), as they are, is actually the faults of whoever made the original stink, and this got the community in an uproar, about the leaked ending. Honestly at this point I'm certain most fans would be THRILLED if that was the ending we got, if of course we knew what we'd get otherwise.

Modifié par Lecram Nella, 20 mars 2012 - 04:47 .

[F00lishG]

Hope? I can dig it. I'm throwing my hat with you now.

[IST]

Nothing needs fixing.

If you were Indoctrinated, the DLC just roles from "The Breath".

If your EMS was too low - the explosion etc may actually happen or something.. aka, a certain EMS might be a pre-requisite to access the DLC.

It's better than space magic, teleportation and godchild FFS.

[Fiery Phoenix]

"Not the last we will hear of Shepard" is perfectly applicable to pre-ending DLC, by the way.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 20 mars 2012 - 05:00 .