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[the red boon]

I want an announcement from bioware/ea for the endings before I believe anything.

[morganix]

I have a story to tell. I once went to an ice cream shop to get my favorite dessert. Every couple weeks they would change the recipe, and the two I had previously were the best treats I've ever had. I show up and asked for the special, to which the host replies "You're in for a treat! It's our best cone yet. There's even something special for you at the bottom," Really? I ask. What is it? He goes on to tell me "It's pure chocolate, nothing like the other cones you've had elsewhere with those empty holes at the bottom which are just filled by the melted remains of what came before."

Eager to try this novel new cone I quickly handed him my money. Soon I had this great treat in my hands. Practically drooling I took my first bite and I was pleasantly surprised by the taste. It was refreshingly new and flavorful. I was so immersed in the experience that I ate it all in one sitting, but as I approached the end, I kept wondering... where is the chocolate? I got further and further and then... holes. It was just like those cones from the other stores. Full of holes and melted Icecream. I turned to my server and said: Excuse me sir, you promised chocolate at the end but none was there!

"We worked hard on our recipe" he said. "It's our best one yet." he said. "Some customers may not be happy with the ending, but we put a lot of hard work into it and the reviews from restaurant critics were fantastic."

But what about my chocolate I asked? "Oh that, it was just a joke. We're gonna be selling pure milk chocolate next week. You can come in and buy some then."

But I already paid for it I said. "No, you paid for the icecream. The best ice-cream cone yet. Come back later and buy some chocolate if you want it so badly."

--Yeah, I'd still be pissed.

Modifié par morganix, 20 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[OmegaBlue0231]

If they did "You just got punk'd, here's the real ending!" I will be mad. That's more of a slap in the face to me than the endings we have now. That's doing what they for years have been telling us over and over and over they wouldn't, and that's make DLC that's a core piece of the game that has been removed for profit.

Modifié par OmegaBlue0231, 20 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[IST]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

"Not the last we will hear of Shepard" is perfectly applicable to pre-ending DLC, by the way.

Of course it is - but I don't think they would drop single player DLC that isn't endgame continuation before they drop what the world is screaming for.. if they go

Endgame -> Another SP DLC, they will both sell like hot cakes.. but if they go SP DLC -> Either Endgame/Whatever DLC.. the response will be.. how you say..  FRAKKED UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION. lol 

No amount of space magic will save Bioware then I'm afraid.. Even with Buzz Aldrin's creepy lines and multi-colour explosions..
:wizard:

[BiancoAngelo7]

DEMIKLY wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

"Not the last we will hear of Shepard" is perfectly applicable to pre-ending DLC, by the way.

Of course it is - but I don't think they would drop single player DLC that isn't endgame continuation before they drop what the world is screaming for.. if they go

Endgame -> Another SP DLC, they will both sell like hot cakes.. but if they go SP DLC -> Either Endgame/Whatever DLC.. the response will be.. how you say..  FRAKKED UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION. lol 

No amount of space magic will save Bioware then I'm afraid.. Even with Buzz Aldrin's creepy lines and multi-colour explosions..
:wizard:

I also whole heartedly agree with this assessment, while its a consideration I didn't include in my "business" reasons why I believe we haven't heard the end of this issue, I think you're right. Even if everything else of all our speculations are not true, Bioware HAS to be feeling the pressure of what is essentially their BIGGEST mistake of all time if this was not all planned.

And unless they want to lose literally a huge chunk (if not all) of their fans of Mass Effect, then they will absolutely HAVE to address this issue in some fashion.

[GizmoKodiak]

It is a given fact that they will address this issue. But HOW is the big question. So for what it's worth, we will get an answer of some sort.

Holding the line.

[Nykara]

chapa3 wrote...

*Looks at post* Did you just divide by zero?

And they could always pick one as a canon ending. ME4 will not feature Shepard, and hell, will almost be guaranteed not to accept a file transfer from someone's finished ME3. The amount of variables that could come with a 4th game is mind numbing.

Actually only a very select few more then those already in exsistance. A lot of the characters where past characters and their actions were already defined by your previous interactions with them.

[HowlingSiren]

I don't think it makes sense business-wise, OP. Negative feedback impacts sales in the crucial first month. We're 2 weeks in that crucial first month. Had they withheld true endings for a day, it could have been a coup, but as it stands, the endings are what they intended, unfortunately.

Also, even if the Mass Effect universe as we know it is destroyed becaue of the disabled relays, it doesn't necessarily stop future content: prequel, anyone?

All we can do is Hold The Line and hope they revisit the endings.

[Bludger133]

One way or another, Bioware has made a HUGE mistake.
- If these are the real endings, they have effectively destroyed an amazing game and alienated 99% of their fans.
- If the real ending is a paid DLC, then they will have destroyed their credibility and alienated 99% of their fans.
- If they release the real ending as free DLC, at least 50% of their fans will figure that Bioware decided not to risk the backlash from selling it and avoid Bioware titles in the future.

Personally, I feel like the victim of a very elaborate five-year, $240 troll. The chances of me falling for that again are absolutely zero.

[IST]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

DEMIKLY wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

"Not the last we will hear of Shepard" is perfectly applicable to pre-ending DLC, by the way.

Of course it is - but I don't think they would drop single player DLC that isn't endgame continuation before they drop what the world is screaming for.. if they go

Endgame -> Another SP DLC, they will both sell like hot cakes.. but if they go SP DLC -> Either Endgame/Whatever DLC.. the response will be.. how you say..  FRAKKED UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION. lol 

No amount of space magic will save Bioware then I'm afraid.. Even with Buzz Aldrin's creepy lines and multi-colour explosions..
:wizard:

I also whole heartedly agree with this assessment, while its a consideration I didn't include in my "business" reasons why I believe we haven't heard the end of this issue, I think you're right. Even if everything else of all our speculations are not true, Bioware HAS to be feeling the pressure of what is essentially their BIGGEST mistake of all time if this was not all planned.

And unless they want to lose literally a huge chunk (if not all) of their fans of Mass Effect, then they will absolutely HAVE to address this issue in some fashion.

Either way we look at it, Business or Creatively, it's the right choice.

Even if it's free DLC (hopefully) that continues the story, the DLC content to follow (at a no-doubt bumped up cost to cover the last DLC lol) will sell shiploads.. If released in reverse order, the cumulitive sales figures would be crap in comparison.

I am not kidding myself, I would pay for endgame DLC without flinching.. I know I shouldn't, but I place enjoyment over getting a bit ripped off any day.. I'm holding the line, my thin red line of fun & awesome that is.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Yeah in the end from a purely business view I agree with the above poster that any way you look at it, its a fiasco. The only reason I'm reaaallly holding on to hope that this is all part of the plan is because no matter how bad things are now, they would be equally impressive if they release the"rest" of the game as part of a real life indoctrination experience that would bring our immersion into the game world to a level unseen before in games: the real world.

[Freestate2nd]

Until we got oficial announcement from bioware/ea for the endings we hold the line!

It´s not over yet! Fight for the lost!

[jamesp81]

Any time an ending to something is described as "courageous" or "innovative" it's generally a very, very bad sign.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

I havent beat the game yet but I support you guys.

Idk the ending either(and I ask not to be spoiled pls) but if its really so bad I think what I'll do is wait until the "new" ending come out before I beat the game.

Now normally I would've just seen it through, decide for myself if its good or bad, then get the new ending in a second playthough, but seeing as how I want ME3 the best experience it can be(this is a game series like no other) then I'll wait for the developers to truly "finish" the game.

At least from what I'm hearing about the current ending they better, I even asked about this yesterday and another user actually sent a PM just to warn me;

"Yes for the love of god wait. The ending is.. well it's completely out of left field and totally nonsensical.. If some kind of DLC fixes it then you should really just wait and play it the "right" way when it comes out. I wish I had that option but I already saw the ending and I am emotionally dead inside now. Some of my friends have turned to DRINKING to get over the ending [no it isn't working]"

All these ppl cant be wrong/over exaggerating(..right?)

So.......Hold The Line! 

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 20 mars 2012 - 04:54 .

[Harorrd]

i also want a statement, not a lie

[BiancoAngelo7]

Harorrd wrote...

i also want a statement, not a lie

yeah I feel the exact same way, I hope what I wrote in the beginning didn't seem too much like I was saying all this to be fact or anything, at the end of the day it IS a theory that is backed by many many factors, but it remains just that, a theory that is probably even found out in the first place because of our collective DESPERATION to have something, ANYTHING, to resolve what would otherwise be the WORST SOUL CRUSHINGLY ABYSMAL ending of all time to anything.

Hope that makes it clear what my intent and personal belief is.

[DaJe]

Marketing stunt? The company has never been as hated as right now after origin, prothean DLC, DRM, and the worst ending of a trillogy in history of visual media.

That marketing really sucks.
I'm sure the sales after week one have dropped just as much as with DA2.
And if it's really come so far than **** that. I miss the times where games would be independant of real world things such as marketing and microtransactions.

[Super.Sid]

Not to disappoint but do u think the refunds will have an impact on the future of the IP ?

[Matt561]

It shouldn't be "coming" it should be included in a $60 game!

[Docmeff22]

Bludger133 wrote...

One way or another, Bioware has made a HUGE mistake.
- If these are the real endings, they have effectively destroyed an amazing game and alienated 99% of their fans.
- If the real ending is a paid DLC, then they will have destroyed their credibility and alienated 99% of their fans.
- If they release the real ending as free DLC, at least 50% of their fans will figure that Bioware decided not to risk the backlash from selling it and avoid Bioware titles in the future.

Personally, I feel like the victim of a very elaborate five-year, $240 troll. The chances of me falling for that again are absolutely zero.

I agree with this.  It is a complete DISASTER what they have done.  Anyone who has invested more than a casual interest in playing the trilogy is completely dumbfounded by the ending(s).  Sidenote: Everyone keeps saying endings, but let's be honest.  There aren't sixteen, or three or a "best."  There is one ending.  That's it.  Just the one.

They have flushed any and all credibility they have down the toilet.  If they release a statement tonight that says, "Doh!  You figured out our master cunning plan before we could surprise you!"  I'd just laugh at them.  I wouldn't believe it.  Even if 100% they planned this whole "Indoctrination" of the fanbase, there is no way I'd really believe that now.  They would only be bailing themselves out.

If they do nothing and say this was what was intended all along, but please pay our mid game DLC where you get Omega back for Aria, I'd laugh.  I wouldn't buy it. 

If they say, "Well, we screwed up and here is a better ending via DLC (free or charged)" I'd actually be really sad, because that means I would never buy another Bioware game again for being gunshy that they would screw this up again.

Whatever they did, they have truly destroyed any credibility and dangerously jeopardized their fanbase.

I've cancelled my SW:TOR account.  I do not plan on continuing to be a Bioware customer.  I don't know how they can fix this in my opinion.  But this was the first (and last) Collector's Edition of any game I will ever buy.

[Arkitekt]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

The "real ending" was already done and it's the one we saw in game.

I understand the "Retake ME3" and I kinda wish you good luck (though I find it a fools' errand, I can be wrong...), but the OP is just daydreaming wishful fantasies. Get out of that Asari eternal embrace, that sh*t is rotting your brains out.

You may be right of course, but did you actually take a second to read what I wrote? I would be interested to know why you may dissagree beyond the point of it seeming unlikely because we are used to receiving our ending within the game we buy.

Hey, what a novel concept, to get the finished game when you buy it! Never thought of that! Man, that's an amazing idea, oh wait. No it isn't.

I think all the deductions I have made from a business and artistic standpoint seem to point that my theory is correct.

Then I wanna know what the hell you are smoking, because it is strong sh*t.

[Sonicsnak3]

 Hold the Line people, BioWare will have to answer our questions directly soon

For example: This years PAX  

 

[jess05]

Mass Effect 4 will be a FPS, with QTES.

No more convo wheel, auto dialogue, and lots of MP with its own in game store.

[Getorex]

I have been reconsidering some of my criticism of the current endings. I have come to believe, that besides the logic problem issues, the BIGGEST sin of the endings is that they do not allow for broader interpretation. In fact, even the happiest ending (red) where you get a hint that maybe Shepard survived (intake of breath) you are not ALLOWED to imagine that maybe he gets back at some point with his crew and LI. You simply cannot imagine that because they had the Normandy run away through a Relay to some far flung planet and then destroyed the Relays. Sure, now I can only imagine Shepard still alive but the crew and LI impossibly far away. No way to IMAGINE a happy ending from there.

Why not clean up the logic issues (Normandy running away when there was NO reason for them to assume any need to run away at all).  Shepard doesn't broadcast his POTENTIAL choices and then give ample warning of the choice he is GOING to make. There is absolutely NO reason for the Normandy to turn tail and run for either the Green or Red ending. None.

Look, even the Stargazer part is OK IF there is at least ONE ending where one COULD REASONABLY interpret the ambiguous signs as making it possible that Shepard and crew and LI can get together again. That would make me happy enough. You don't have to explicitly show this, but at least ALLOW us to interpret it that way without impossible impediments in the way.

The Green ending is not bad either, beyond the fact that Shepard is rasterized. He/she is now uploaded and running the Reapers but everyone else is still alive (EVERYONE else, EDI and Geth included) but "enhanced". Okidokie. Perhaps Shepard could acquire a body like EDI did at some future point and still be corporeal with his crew and LI...Just like EDI. See? At least provide reasonably positive endings that allows one to take it a step beyond to a real HAPPY ending if so inclined. Don't do all endings so that this is just not possible. They did it in a way that it is just not possible to even imagine a happy ending.

Modifié par Getorex, 20 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[Sonicsnak3]

Agreed, they ended it with complete and utter hopelessness for the galaxy. No matter what ending, the mass relays are destroyed and all of the different races that were there in the final battle with their fleets are all going to die. Earth even in its prime would not be able to support them in terms of resources. Everyone's going to starve to death and fight each other for dominance. What a shameful way to end a series by giving a no-hope scenario, and a door slammed in our faces in terms of narrative.