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[FRANCESCO84Inn]

seriusly ? real ending come ?

I trust in the Goddess to have the possbility to save my Fem Shep and continue the love story whit Liara !

[Getorex]

The other soul suck (to me) is showing the Normandy crew alive and exiting the crashed Normandy on Green and Red ending. That is supposed to depict "hope" I suppose and they top it with a cherry by having stargazer telling Shepard stories to a kid at the end. To the uninformed, the crew of the Normandy surviving and living on this planet may be "hope" but in fact it is not. First, what of Tali and Garrus? The planet cannot be compatible and healthy for BOTH humans and Asari on one hand and Turians and Quarians on the other. One way or another, one group or the other is facing an ugly death in the near term. Second, the crew of the Normandy is maybe 25 or 30. Even if it were just 5 men and 25 women, there is NO WAY to grow a new civilization out of this. This is a pet peeve of mine in movies. They may sometimes show a "hopeful" ending that might be A man and A woman holding hands and looking off to the horizon, as if that means humanity can survive because there's one dude and one chick left! NO. Rule of thumb is you must have around 100 breeding pairs to sustain a viable population. Any less and your genetic diversity is too low and you will go extinct. Normandy, AT BEST, has about 1 dozen viable breeding pairs (if the crew is 50:50 men:women). Hell, you are better off with more women than men because one guy can impregnate 1 to 2 women a day. A woman can only be preggers once every nine months. So, not enough people to sustain a population, let alone GROW one. The crew of the Normandy are going to go extinct. That is NOT hope to me.

[Lycius]

The intention of marketing is to NOT destroy your consumer base's opinion of you as a company. If this is a marketing stunt it's quite possibly the worst example of marketing ever.

[ziloe]

I thought you said you weren't pulling a wall o' text? This just has windows.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Well I dont think it is but if this is indeed an intentional marketing ploy, then I think its time I stop gaming.

Its getting too weird and f-ed up for me. xP

[zsom]

I don't think so. I think this was the actual ending and if there is a ME4 it will be a spinoff.

[_symphony]

I don't think there will be a new ending, that doesn't mean we should stop voicing our dissatisfaction.

[rozar]

zsom wrote...

I don't think so. I think this was the actual ending and if there is a ME4 it will be a spinoff.

I hope not, I would jump in joy if Bioware decides to create a new trilogy, focused on the reapor creators.

A new threat coming not from dark space, but the center of the Milky way, just look how the Mass relays avoid the center of the galaxy, there gotta be something with that. But a new trilogy should involve someone else than Shepard.

[oblique9]

I personally am inclined to at least partially believe in what OP said. I don't expect the existing 'endings' will be changed. What I do sort of hope (and somewhat expect, based off of the "continue Shepard's story with DLC" message at the end), is that post-ending content will become available. Whether or not it's paid is a separate discussion for a separate thread (of which there are many).

Depending on interpretation, there are subtle clues to this end. Also, as far as I've seen from Bioware's official statements (and I've seen just about all of them to date I think), they said they did not have plans to change the ending. I have not heard/seen anything that says they are not planning to continue the story arc. It wouldn't have to be a ME4, but some DLC.

Kudos to OP for thinking his post through before posting.

[zsom]

rozar wrote...

A new threat coming not from dark space, but the center of the Milky way, just look how the Mass relays avoid the center of the galaxy, there gotta be something with that. But a new trilogy should involve someone else than Shepard.

Like a giant black hole?

[catelee2u]

I liked the original end but I'd also love to see this as well and those two options don't conflict. Would be great.

[StarcloudSWG]

Until Bioware releases an official statement *confirming and committing to* finishing the game with a real ending, I will treat everything they say as just another step in the PR campaign to try to quiet people's legitimate outrage.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 20 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[Getorex]

Thought experiment for you folks who think the current ending (with stargazer et al) is all hopey.

How many people crew the Normandy? Let's say 30. How many men, how many women? Let's make it easy and say it's 50:50. OK, so the crashland on goofy planet and later they have apparently created a civilization that produced startgazer and the little kid he tells stories to. How did they do this?

Let's make this simple. Let's say we have 8 people, 4 men, 4 women. This gives us 4 couples (we ignore the fun and kinky partner swap because this doesn't help matters one bit). These 4 couples have 2 kids each (doesn't matter how many they have, 2, 3, 8, 10, the results will be the same) - one boy, one girl. This is the F1 generation. OK, how many possible mate groups can each boy or girl select from for their own mate to avoid incest? Three. Each boy and each girl have 3 groups of siblings from which to choose a mate. They make babies. Doesn't matter how many. How many groups are available for mate choice for THIS generation to avoid incest? Two. Do you see the problem? Do you see what's happening? Even if you start with 15 couples, you still end in the same place just a few generations later. In no time at all, you cannot mate anymore because EVERYONE will be a half-sibling to someone else. Everyone.

See? The Normandy crew are royally f*cked. They survived but it would be horribly unethical, even immoral, for any of them to have kids. There can never be a stargazer and a kid to tell stories to. They cannot happen. The crash of the Normandy is full of hopelessness, not hope, especially since the relays are gone. Game over, so to speak. So even those who LIKE the ending...you are full of beans...or you find hope in brother-sister sex.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Getorex wrote...

Thought experiment for you folks who think the current ending (with stargazer et al) is all hopey.

How many people crew the Normandy? Let's say 30. How many men, how many women? Let's make it easy and say it's 50:50. OK, so the crashland on goofy planet and later they have apparently created a civilization that produced startgazer and the little kid he tells stories to. How did they do this?

Let's make this simple. Let's say we have 8 people, 4 men, 4 women. This gives us 4 couples (we ignore the fun and kinky partner swap because this doesn't help matters one bit). These 4 couples have 2 kids each (doesn't matter how many they have, 2, 3, 8, 10, the results will be the same) - one boy, one girl. This is the F1 generation. OK, how many possible mate groups can each boy or girl select from for their own mate to avoid incest? Three. Each boy and each girl have 3 groups of siblings from which to choose a mate. They make babies. Doesn't matter how many. How many groups are available for mate choice for THIS generation to avoid incest? Two. Do you see the problem? Do you see what's happening? Even if you start with 15 couples, you still end in the same place just a few generations later. In no time at all, you cannot mate anymore because EVERYONE will be a half-sibling to someone else. Everyone.

See? The Normandy crew are royally f*cked. They survived but it would be horribly unethical, even immoral, for any of them to have kids. There can never be a stargazer and a kid to tell stories to. They cannot happen. The crash of the Normandy is full of hopelessness, not hope, especially since the relays are gone. Game over, so to speak. So even those who LIKE the ending...you are full of beans...or you find hope in brother-sister sex.

Indeed, this is just another of the huge glaring plot holes that add to the "game logic" as I called it, that suggests that there is no way this ending is the end of Shepard's story. And someone could try and offer rationalizations "maybe someone else picks them up bla bla bla etc etc" but that ignores other BIGGER plot holes such as the system they are on and they themselves should be nothing more than cosmic dust after the supernova that ensues from a mass relay exploding, and even if they didn't "traditionally" explode, you think with a galaxy wide shortage of resources someone is going to help them? More like brutally pirate their resources and women, and if someone said that "maybe they find a colony" ...No. Even if the colony takes them in with no resources coming in from other systems, you STILL have the aliens dying from incompatibility with resources and the slew of other plotholes that make that impossible to see happening.

it's a mess. Literally every single part of the ending is a mess. That's a big part of why we're all hoping and waiting for this theory of ours to be validated...

[Dridengx]

don-mika wrote...

real ending already in the game

I know. Don't know about you but I always prefer a cannon story. When someone is sharing their story with me, I like to hear THEIR ending, not mine, not some other's fans desired ending, but the real ending. Bioware gave us that, someone people have trouble accepting, which is a common thing, letting go can be tough on the weak willed. Which is why Bioware stated some people need more time to let go

[Icemix]

Dridengx wrote...

don-mika wrote...

real ending already in the game

I know. Don't know about you but I always prefer a cannon story. When someone is sharing their story with me, I like to hear THEIR ending, not mine, not some other's fans desired ending, but the real ending. Bioware gave us that, someone people have trouble accepting, which is a common thing, letting go can be tough on the weak willed. Which is why Bioware stated some people need more time to let go

Delusion.

[Oni Changas]

I'm about 4 pages late, but I just came to this conclusion myself earlier today. It's inconcievable to build up something so much and troll so hard and present something uncharacteristically out of touch with the community and NOT have a decent payoff to it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some relief.



**and to those coming out of the gates saying they'd pay X amount of money for it: don't encourage this business practice. Better yet, come to my auto shop so you can tell me you'd pay $150 USD for a $15 oil change.

[IST]

 This article is brilliant - have a look.

[BiancoAngelo7]

DEMIKLY wrote...

 This article is brilliant - have a look.

Haha yeah, this article very nicely sums up the transformation that a lot of us had and hope to have validated after the "ending" of ME3...

Plus if you pay real close attention to anything and everything involving the "little kid" then you will see every time he pops up it is indoctrination central....AAAAALL ABOOOOARD!!!!!