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[LordHelfort]

We totally got closure.

Everyone dies. Nothing matters.

[Rogue Unit]

Fjordgnu wrote...

... all of which is invalidated by the obliteration of the galaxy in the last two minutes of the game.

[Hudathan]

Dreogan wrote...

All of the above are not closure, since we don't see what happens to them after the technicolor explosion. They're simply dangling plot threads.

God forbid the story actually ends at some point. Not to mention the whole point of ME3 was to force the player to make some hard decisions with long-lasting consequences that are difficult to foresee.

[Arken]

Fjordgnu wrote...

... all of which is invalidated by the obliteration of the galaxy in the last two minutes of the game.

This is the main point right here.

Mass Effect 3 offered a lot of resolution, but that resolution doesn't mean much when the last ten minutes thrust the entire universe into an unsure future that doesn't look that great and makes our choices seem pointless.

Everyone is stranded. Regardless of where they were. They're without the Mass Relays.

Earth is currently holding occupants from all over the galaxy who are expected to now live on limited resources until someone figures out how to make new Mass Relays. I get the feeling it's not going to be a pretty fight.

[Lankist]

You cannot use the words "speculation" and "closure" to describe the same thing.

[Phattee Buttz]

Miths wrote...

I just finished the game ten minutes ago (control option), and while some of the things that were resolved along the course of this last game, were left shattered afterwards, I rather liked it that way and also liked the ending in general.
Life is frequently chaos and confusion - I don't need everything neatly wrapped up and all answers laid out in detail.

I was ok with the ending right after I finished the game, but I was also pretty high. Once I sobered up I was like WTF IS THIS SH**??????

[Negix]

The closure however is destroyed as you destroy the Mass Relay, stranding all these closed cases. The Quarians are kinda stuck on the other end of the galaxy, so their homeworld is pretty far away. The Krogans are kinda stuck too, but now they eventually can reproduce and claim earth yay... all that closure, no questions left. No "wtf happens now AFTER we screwed the entire galaxy??"

[Jackal7713]

Its not closure when you have everyone stranded on a burned out Earth with no way home. Why is that you ask? There are no mass relays, thanks to the one ending in 3 colors. So everyone you brought with you in the fleet now dies along with Shepard, due to being on a planet with no resources. The Normandy crew, is also now stuck on planet deliverance.

[Bantz]

It's a lack of closure because:

yes, we cure the Krogans but we don't get to see how it plays out. Does Wrex succeed in keeping them under control and building their race? Do they revert to the angry, war like race that people fear or do they move on and return to their art and culture?

Yes we build peace with quarian and geth. How does that play out? Does it last? Are the Quarians going to be able to live without their suits? Does tali get her house?

Did Garrus's family survive?

Did Samara's other daughter live? If so what does Samara do now that her main mission as a Justicar is done?

What happens to the individual squad mates? Do they survive? Move on to have happy lives or not?

What happens to our LI specifically?

What happens to earth? How does the human race rebuild?

What happens to the alliance now that the citadel, its seat of power, is destroyed?

Do the Rachni go away into peace or do they revert?

Is Cerberus really destroyed? Just because TIM is gone doesn't mean the entire thing is destroyed. They've lost 2 facilities that doesn't mean the entire movement is done. There's a lot of stuff that could still be discussed and explained. If it's the game that's going to end the series they need to explain more of this stuff.

[Mcfly616]

Strategy guide clearly states he Lives....and no, there was no closure.....just everything getting blown up and two squadmates that were supposedly with you at the conduit, mysteriously crash land on Gilligans Planet.....so creating more questions in the last 5 minutes of a trilogy is closure? Haha wow....

[Joolazoo]

how is any of that closure? For all we know Wrex gets assassinated the day after he starts ruling and the krogan have butt sex with the humans since they're basically confined to the sol system.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

In particular for the Quarians and the Krogans on their home planet they have closure regardless of the energy wave since they were already starting to rebuild, Thessia was wiped out, and Palavan now has both Turaians and Krogans living on it. Pretty sure you can figure out what happens from there

[BrianWilly]

Fjordgnu wrote...

... all of which is invalidated by the obliteration of the galaxy in the last two minutes of the game.

[Neutral Ground]

OP, you keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means.

[KustomDeluxe]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

I've been seeing multiple comments from these "Retake Mass Effect 3" folks saying that Mass Effect 3 had no closure at all yet they only focused on the last 15 minutes of the game,

Need I remind these people that the entire second half of the game was closure. Let me give you guys that reminder

• Resolving the Quarian/Geth war, (if you talk to Tali afterwards you'll find full closure on that story arch)(1)
• Curing the Genophage (or leaving it unchecked, Talking to Wrex/Wreav on Earth afterwards ties up that story)(2)
• Destroying Cerberus(3)
• Setting closure to Jack's storyline as a military teacher finding the closest thing she has to a family.(4)
• Finally finishing off Miranda's storyline with her killing her father (if she survives depends on the player)(5)
• Finding resolve or annialation of the Racini Queen, be it legit or artificial(6)
• Thane's tragic end, and subsequent vengence(7)
• Jacob finally finding the peace to start a family.(8)
  Samara many possible endings with her daughters(9)

Just a few I can think of off the top of my head, oh and then of course there's Shepard dying ... so that's the end of his story.

Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

My responses are in the below numbered list answering each of your "reminders".

• Does this matter if the relays are destroyed and there's no chance for those people to get back home?
• Does this matter if the relays are destroyed and there's no chance for those people to get back home?
• Does this matter if the relays are destroyed and humanity is doomed to isolated pockets with no chance for those people to get back home?
• Does this matter if the relays are destroyed?
• Does this matter if the relays are destroyed?
• Does this matter if the relays are destroyed and there's no chance for the Rachni "threat" to be a problem?
• Does this matter if the relays are destroyed?
• Does this matter if the relays are destroyed and he might just starve to death?
• Does this matter if the relays?

Seeing a pattern?

Modifié par KustomDeluxe, 20 mars 2012 - 12:49 .

[Lankist]

Miths wrote...

I just finished the game ten minutes ago (control option), and while some of the things that were resolved along the course of this last game, were left shattered afterwards, I rather liked it that way and also liked the ending in general.
Life is frequently chaos and confusion - I don't need everything neatly wrapped up and all answers laid out in detail.

It would also be chatoic and confusing if Shepard got hit by a bus. That doesn't mean it's good.

[Goddamnit]

This....

Fjordgnu wrote...

... all of which is invalidated by the obliteration of the galaxy in the last two minutes of the game.

And This...

Evil_medved wrote...

And then galaxy blows up, everybody end up stranded and dead, quarians never reach their home, krogan stuck on overpopulated tuchanka, everybody turns into half-robots and then its all happen million years ago and in some old guy story,

Hahahah

[Kristofer1]

wait, Miranda can live? How do you get that?

Also, What vengeance of thanes?

[Setz]

rockman0 wrote...

Fjordgnu wrote...

... all of which is invalidated by the obliteration of the galaxy in the last two minutes of the game.

This guy!

DISCLAIMER: But you're totally entitled to have your own opinion. 

How did the galaxy get obliterated? Don't remember seeing that. If you can point me to it that'd be great.

[Meltemph]

Hudathan wrote...

Dreogan wrote...

All of the above are not closure, since we don't see what happens to them after the technicolor explosion. They're simply dangling plot threads.

God forbid the story actually ends at some point. Not to mention the whole point of ME3 was to force the player to make some hard decisions with long-lasting consequences that are difficult to foresee.

God forbid BW writers follow examples from just about every good scifi literature known to man.  But hey, excusing slopping writing will SO help the industry.  You dont add more questions then answers when you are wrapping up a trilogy.  Nothing wrong with adding questions, but you sure as hell better answer more then you left, and these questions should NEVER eat the answers because of how many questions the ending asks.

[sistersafetypin]

 Need I remind you that the last 15 minutes effectively makes Shepard a bigger murderer then the Reapers this time around? Endor Holocaust 

[charon45]

Correct on all counts. Then the relays explode and put almost everything you listed into question. You ended the Quarian/Geth conflict and presumably won the Quarian's their home world back. Now how many generations is it going to take for them to get there without relays. The Krogan are cured and under the stable leadership of Wrex. Wrex is stranded on earth and won't be back for a long time.

Let me pose a new one. When the energy from the relay hit the Normandy, the Normandy was disabled and crashed. Every ship in the armada was presumably hit by the same energy, so did they all crash?

[Ibecomedeath]

I've never argued that some plot lines were resolved, barely, the issue is that the ending is unsatisfying 'space magic' nonsense, that breaks more than it resolves, that failed to reflect anything in the way of our actions and decisions...

Despite your points, some of which could barely be considered resolved, the fact remains that half the galaxy is now stranded on Earth with no Mass Relay network, not to mention Joker and several of your companions, who were magicly whisked away are stranded on an unknown planet, what exactly do you think that will mean?

The ending created countless plot holes and brings very little closure, resolving very little of the overall saga, and in doing so entirely invalidates 150+ hours of game play and decisions in the span of 10 minutes...

The ending failed to deliver on BioWare's promises and statements to it's customers, this is the primary issue with the ending...

[LolaLei]

The endings undo all the closure we worked so hard to achieve through the whole game.

[KustomDeluxe]

Setz wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

Fjordgnu wrote...

... all of which is invalidated by the obliteration of the galaxy in the last two minutes of the game.

This guy!

DISCLAIMER: But you're totally entitled to have your own opinion. 

How did the galaxy get obliterated? Don't remember seeing that. If you can point me to it that'd be great.

Mass relays exploded. When that happens you supposedly get a supernova.

Though the point is in contention because one can assume the kept the relays from doing that. But it bugs people.