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[Diesel McBadass]

Closure is knowing what happens after the game. Does the quarian geth peace last? What civilizations rebuild, which dont? does wrex keep the krogan in line? And with all the plot holes of the game, DID WE REALLY DEFEAT REPERS OR WAS IT A DREAM!

[SmokePants]

RegularX wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

The galaxy was not obliterated. Comprehend things first and THEN criticize.

The only mistake Bioware made was in overestimating its fanbase. If they had kept in mind how petty, reductive, and closed-minded they are, they might have done things differently.

Too late now.

You have no idea what happened to the galaxy, because it's never shown except for differently colored explosions.  Maybe try comprehending that is exactly one of the things people are calling out here, that we're treated to some random and inexplicable scenes which only have anything marginal to do the rest of the game(s).

I DO have an idea of what happened. Educated guess. Informed opinion. Common sense. All I know is that I would be willing to put money on it.

For all you know, the Earth is left in ashes, there's an entire flotilla starving in space without a home, and Joker can't get busy with EDI because he left his can opener in the other Normandy.

For all you know, your pet is planning your murder.

I have no reason to believe the Earth is in ashes (unless that was my ending choice). I have no reason to believe the various fleets didn't make it home.

I have no reason to believe the galaxy got obliterated.

And you don't either. You are the ones who are clinging tenaciously to a ridiculous worst-case scenario to further fuel your rage over ambiguity. You don't have to believe that if you don't want to. It's a phenomena known as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

It doesn't matter if my interpretation of what happens pans out. It's just my working theory and theorys are meant to adapt to new information, which we will get.

But the most likely scenario is that you people are angry over nothing.

[JesseLee202]

Gotta love space magic, it fills in all of the gaps for these guys...

[chkchkchk]

Hudathan wrote...

The only goal in the game is to stop the Reapers and prevent total annhilation of the advanced races. At the end of the game you stop the Reapers and prevent total annhilation of the advanced races. Lots of people got screwed along the way but you ended a cycle that organics have unable to fight back against for millions of years. Again, what else was the game about other than the ultimate goal of firing off the Crucible and hope we don't all die?

I have a lingering suspicion that people want to know what happened to their lovers and friends after they got stranded on some jungle planet where they'll probably be eaten by beasts and/or starve to death because of dietary requirements.  Like, it is highly unlikely that both Garrus AND Joker could eat whatever grows on that planet.  One of them starves to death.  Etc.

[sadako]

And the money they saved repeating the same FMVs over and over again! It's so ARTsy!

It's a totally respectable ending.

[ztonkin]

I would have preferred something like some static screens with scrolling text telling us what happened long-term than the zilch we got. Not saying that would be perfect, but hell, it'd be something.

[NReed106]

I DO have an idea of what happened. Educated guess. Informed opinion. Common sense. All I know is that I would be willing to put money on it.

Well following past established canon (arrival dlc), Every relay goes super nova and destroys most of the galaxy.  If the explosions aren't dangerous why did it destroy the Normandy and maroon it on a planet? 

I have no reason to believe the Earth is in ashes (unless that was my ending choice). I have no reason to believe the various fleets didn't make it home.

FTL Travel will take centuries without a relay.  You need a sense of scale with a galaxy they are massive.  Without mass relays no one except possibly asari could see their home planet again.  And that is assuming the fleet is impervious to the relay explosion, but then why wasn't the Normandy impervious to it as well?  Normandy crashes in every explosion, common sense would dictate the same happens to the armada you brought to earth.

I have no reason to believe the galaxy got obliterated.

Look above, addressed that the explsoins were dangerous due to established canon.

And you don't either. You are the ones who are clinging tenaciously to a ridiculous worst-case scenario to further fuel your rage over ambiguity. You don't have to believe that if you don't want to. It's a phenomena known as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

By all means explain why only the Normandy would crash but the fleets wouldn't.  Then explain how the fleets would get home in a tiemframe where the survivors of the battle could see their homes.  Then explain how war torn planets such as earth have the capability to sustain their populations after the Reapers obliterated them.

But the most likely scenario is that you people are angry over nothing.

The most likely scenario is that you don't have an understanding of the ME universe and can accept plot holes as and be happy.  People don't get this angry over nothing, assuming so is foolish and akin to puttin your fingers in your ears and saying "na na na na na I can't hear you"

Modifié par NReed106, 20 mars 2012 - 03:08 .

[Su13perfitz]

Mafia_Steve wrote...

The story is fantastic, until the very end, where it seemingly makes all those story arcs all for naught. It feels as if the ME3 writers got indoctrinated by a reaper called, Nietzsche.

I was thinking more Kafka but you make a valid point.

[RegularX]

SmokePants wrote...

I DO have an idea of what happened. Educated guess. Informed opinion. Common sense. All I know is that I would be willing to put money on it.

For all you know, the Earth is left in ashes, there's an entire flotilla starving in space without a home, and Joker can't get busy with EDI because he left his can opener in the other Normandy.

For all you know, your pet is planning your murder.

I have no reason to believe the Earth is in ashes (unless that was my ending choice). I have no reason to believe the various fleets didn't make it home.

I have no reason to believe the galaxy got obliterated.

And you don't either. You are the ones who are clinging tenaciously to a ridiculous worst-case scenario to further fuel your rage over ambiguity. You don't have to believe that if you don't want to. It's a phenomena known as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

It doesn't matter if my interpretation of what happens pans out. It's just my working theory and theorys are meant to adapt to new information, which we will get.

But the most likely scenario is that you people are angry over nothing.

Actually there's lots of reasons to believe that Earth is in Ashes, that the relays destruction is catastrophic and that the flotilla is essentially marooned.  And every bit of it is based on ingame canon and evidence provided by the story.

You have your intrepretation and that's fine.  People want to believe that synthesis turned the whole galaxy into happy super beings all the way down to tree leaves - all the power to them.  I found the whole concept just creepy as hell.

*Either* side of coin points to lazy writing, simple as that.  You choose to believe that what happens in the void of vast amounts of plots points is all wonderful and good.  But you arrived there not because the ending was well told, but that's what you chose to believe.

[I can Hackett]

.....sigh why do people keep doing this we had closure we couldve had closure but Marauder Shields warned us we would lose it and we lost it all at the end

[ShepnTali]

Good grief, there is no closure.. just speculation and imagination. There is no true closure.

[Militarized]

Which are all essentially more causes that you never get to see the effect of.

[Lunaluxlepus]

Please, would you at least try some research about what people have been saying AND THEN post this "BS"?

Bloody trolls..

[Ultra Prism]

So what happens to our Love Interests, what hhapens to Garrus, does he become Primarch by chance ... what happens the universe without Mass Relays ... my god so many closure, before you accuse that there "no closure bs", watch lord of the rings and learn

[Big Push]

The game ends immediately after its climax with zero falling action or denouement. The lack of closure many players feel is a direct consequence of this.

It's entirely possible for there to be an ending that doesn't take the DA:O epilogue approach and yet it still satisfying. It would involve giving the game a complete third act.

[gmboy902]

[*]Resolving the Quarian/Geth war, (if you talk to Tali afterwards you'll find full closure on that story arch)
[*]Curing the Genophage (or leaving it unchecked, Talking to Wrex/Wreav on Earth afterwards ties up that story)
[*]Setting closure to Jack's storyline as a military teacher finding the closest thing she has to a family.
[*]Finding resolve or annialation of the Racini Queen, be it legit or artificial
[*]Jacob finally finding the peace to start a family.

 
[*]So how do we know the peace will be kept, exactly?[*]How do we know the Krogan won't rise up?
- What happened to the students?[*]If we let the queen live, will she rise up again?[*]How do we know Jacob found the life he wanted, and that the Reapers didn't ruin this dream?

[ShepnTali]

I didn't pay 60 friggin' dollars to imagine and speculate. I can do that for free... 60 friggin' bucks, show me stuff.

[Wowlock]

What you say is quite similar that when you stopped the collectors , did that ending gave you the closure ? Sure you did what you did ( destroy the base or save it etc ) But in the end you knew Reapers were in their way and the story was not over yet.

And the events you gave example of ? They are sub-plots being came-to-head...it is the Galaxy's Loyalty missions. The closure we are talking about is what happened after that sequence of scenes with made little sense ? All those ''closures'' as you call it , was for nothing ? What was the point of those ?

I made the Loyalty mission example because it was basicly following the same pattern of ME2 but instead of gathering crew members, you were gathering galactic armies on a larger scale. So that means you have to ''resolve '' their situation but that is by no means to give you a closure until Reapers are defeated since as we saw in the current endings, nothing you did made sense and completely over-written.

Soo why not just give us the ''Galactic Suicide mission'' on par with ME2 ending where those ''Galactic Loyalty missions'' would actually MEAN something. That was the point of no closure....

Everything you did for those people, it didn't matter in the end. Relays gone, galaxy screwed. Citadel is gone , Earth is devastated, Normandy stranded.....

It gave us more questions than answers and if this is THE Ending you came up with for a trilogy....then you are doing something seriously wrong.

[deathscythe517]

Despite the fact that the ending at best strands the largest MILITARY force in history in a system which will likely lead to fighting over resources? That's a lot of ****ing mouths to feed and there's no way post-Reaper war Sol is going to be able to sustain such a population. You've effectively left everyone and everything defenseless, royally screwed over everyone you've cared about, and get a nonsensical scene of your brave copilot breaking character to run away after somehow magically evacuating your squad from Earth.

Yeah, closure, you wouldn't happen to be a fan of M. Night, would you?

[sedrikhcain]

Hudathan wrote...

Stop trying, just let people who need something to complain about have theirs.

I've done precious little complaining about anything in the series. This ending stunk, that's why I have criticised it, not because I have some character flaw that makes me feel a need to complain.

Why can't people accept that people will disagree for legitimate reasons?

[Jaysh]

The last 15 minutes of the game is the most important because everything you've worked hard to accomplish with the series is basically summed up in the end, of course you WOULD think this, but its the complete opposite. It made us feel like everything we put into the game, blood and tears, have all been for NOTHING. It didn't give us a reason to go back and replay the series. It didn't give us any answers that we were expecting. It left us with more questions. I don't care about CURING the Genophage. I don't care about Jack, Jacob, or Samara as much as I care for the original characters from ME1. Everything that we have accomplished in three games doesn't matter in the end therefor we are left with no closure.

[sedrikhcain]

Thank you OP for making clear to me another problem with the ending. I couldn't put my finger on it until now. The thing is, the way they structured the game, you run around all over the galaxy seeing the conclusion of all these storylines that span the three games, then the game puts all that away and goes off into this other dimension of thought to sort out the fate of Shepard's quest and the galaxy. But that storyline never should've been separated from the conclusion of all the character-driven stories. The story should've been told as if the fates of shepard, the principle characters and the galaxy were all intertwined. That way, the galaxy "solution" at the end wouldn't feel like it just obliterates all the meaning from everything else. Mass Effect 1 and 2 pulled this off brilliantly, so it's what we came to expect. ME3 dropped the ball on that score. Big time.

[sistersafetypin]

Hudathan wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

The endings undo all the closure we worked so hard to achieve through the whole game.

The only goal in the game is to stop the Reapers and prevent total annhilation of the advanced races. At the end of the game you stop the Reapers and prevent total annhilation of the advanced races. Lots of people got screwed along the way but you ended a cycle that organics have unable to fight back against for millions of years. Again, what else was the game about other than the ultimate goal of firing off the Crucible and hope we don't all die?

Saying the only Goal of this game was to defeat the Reapers is like saying the only goal of Skyrim is to defeat Alduin. It is a part of the main story yes... but if that was it, that game would not be nearly as popular as it is. 

Also, if the only goal was to defeat the Reapers... People wouldn't have spent 100s of hours doing all of the side quests in all of the games. That comment just misses the whole point of the RPG genre completely. 

[sistersafetypin]

sedrikhcain wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Stop trying, just let people who need something to complain about have theirs.

I've done precious little complaining about anything in the series. This ending stunk, that's why I have criticised it, not because I have some character flaw that makes me feel a need to complain.

Why can't people accept that people will disagree for legitimate reasons?

Because that would be to logical and easy.

[JamesYHT]

People keep telling nothing, are u working for BW?