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[Aurvant]

OP: You keep using that word "closure". I don't think it means what you think it means.

[LegatoSkyheart]

So you're going to ignore that most if not all of the Galaxy are at the Sol system when the Catalyst is activated and accept that the closure is during the middle of the game?

I'm sorry, but you don't find Closure in the middle of a Song or Book, you find it AT THE END.

Which is seemingly, absent.

[sth128]

The way I like to think about this is using the following analogy:

Imagine at the end of Return of the Jedi. The death star 2 is gone, Han meets up with Luke and Leia knowing that they have rid the galaxy of an evil. Luke has turned his father back from the dark side, redeeming his namesake and fulfilled Yoda's teaching.

Closure right?

Then suddenly Luke starts making out with Leia followed by the credits.

Also, a text box pops up to tell to buy the Blu-ray prequel set.



It doesn't matter how well the story concluded before the last sequence. ONLY the last sequence counts. By introducing something so out of whack, you invalidate all previous lore, characters, relationships, EVERYTHING.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

You know it seems more that obvious that so many people here don't know how stories are supposed to conclude  and end up acting like Baby Bart Simpson saying "Then what happened? Then what happened? Then what happened?" repeatedly. Hell may as well keep asking Bioware to make the story until the galaxy's stars burn out since that seems to be the only closure so many here want. You want to know what happened to the galaxy afterwards in your story, use your imagination.

Seriously the story of the Reaper war ended as was the main plot point of the series, that's how that story ended. As mentioned

sth128 wrote...

The way I like to think about this is
using the following analogy:

Imagine at the end of Return of the
Jedi. The death star 2 is gone, Han meets up with Luke and Leia knowing
that they have rid the galaxy of an evil. Luke has turned his father
back from the dark side, redeeming his namesake and fulfilled Yoda's
teaching.

Closure right?

Then suddenly Luke starts making
out with Leia followed by the credits.

Also, a text box pops up
to tell to buy the Blu-ray prequel set.



It doesn't matter
how well the story concluded before the last sequence. ONLY the last
sequence counts. By introducing something so out of whack, you
invalidate all previous lore, characters, relationships,
EVERYTHING.

I'm sorry but your argument is extremly flawed, such a scene wouldn't have changed the fact that the Empire had fallen thousands of systems have been freed from tyrany, the Ewoks dancing, the fact that Vader was saved at the last minute by his son.

If you wanted to condense 40 hours+ worth of closing arcs into a 10 minute sequence you'd end up with a rushed mess of exposition.

[ichik]

Obvious EA employee is obvious.

[wright1978]

You get to make some choices during the game. You don't get any closure as you don't get to see the effect of those choices. In fact actually all those choices are invalidated by a choose the colour of your explosion choice. The game then ends with a wealth of plotholes and a silly cameo by Buzz Aldrin. Please fix the ending Bioware.

[Computron2000]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

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Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

OP please tell me what happened the the following people since you have closure on the entire series
Liara
Garrus
Tali
EDI
James
Javik (if you have the DLC)
Hackett
Samara
Miranda
Steve
Kasumi
Zaeed
Jack
Grunt
The Sword fleet

[hawat333]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

I think they are referring to a... you know, a text based summary, like DA:O or NWN2 had it. Something that spoonfeeds you all the answer.
Personally, I don't think it's needed, I mean we already achieved a lot of endings for subplots, also we know enough about the galaxy and the way it works to -with some creative imagination- find our own closure.
But that's jut my opinion.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

ichik wrote...

Obvious EA employee is obvious.

Clearly in denial,
You cant accept that some Australian who works for a real estate company has this opinion

[Dav3VsTh3World]

Computron2000 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

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Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

OP please tell me what happened the the following people since you have closure on the entire series
Liara
Garrus
Tali
EDI
James
Javik (if you have the DLC)
Hackett
Samara
Miranda
Steve
Kasumi
Zaeed
Jack
Grunt
The Sword fleet

I say again
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Dav3VsTh3World wrote...
 so many people here don't know how
stories are supposed to conclude and end up acting like Baby Bart
Simpson saying "Then what happened? Then what happened? Then what
happened?" repeatedly. Hell may as well keep asking Bioware to make the
story until the galaxy's stars burn out since that seems to be the only
closure so many here want. You want to know what happened to the galaxy
afterwards in your story, use your imagination.

[*]
I'm even surprised you mentioned the crew on the Normandy, even though what happened to them was clearly obvious

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...


[*]
Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

OP please tell me what happened the the following people since you have closure on the entire series
Liara
Garrus
Tali
EDI
James
Javik (if you have the DLC)
Hackett
Samara
Miranda
Steve
Kasumi
Zaeed
Jack
Grunt
The Sword fleet

I say again

[*]

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Dav3VsTh3World wrote...
 so many people here don't know how
stories are supposed to conclude and end up acting like Baby Bart
Simpson saying "Then what happened? Then what happened? Then what
happened?" repeatedly. Hell may as well keep asking Bioware to make the
story until the galaxy's stars burn out since that seems to be the only
closure so many here want. You want to know what happened to the galaxy
afterwards in your story, use your imagination.

[*]
I'm even surprised you mentioned the crew on the Normandy, even though what happened to them was clearly obvious

On the other hand, we have people here who will accept any cut off point to a story as "closure", even when it's not.

[ichik]

I can't accept, that some1 with account registered 1 week ago, with only posts that justify the bad ending, no userpic, no google-able nickname, who owns only a ME3 and has no available mutiplayer data (very propably didn't even launch it ever), has no signature is a real person, yeah, i highly doubt that. Especially after all these issues, when EA was caught red-handed doing this multiple times.

Also, i love how you ignore the real issues about the closure and just repeat all that marketing BS, that have already been said multiple times. That makes me even more suspicious.

Never seen any real person who actually liked ME3 ending btw, asked all my RL friends and relatives, all of them ('round 10 ppl who already finished it, others either not interested in the series or didn't have time yet) said the ending makes no sense and is very frustrating.

Am i clear in my denial now, mr?

[Nefelius]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

I've been seeing multiple comments from these "Retake Mass Effect 3" folks saying that Mass Effect 3 had no closure at all yet they only focused on the last 15 minutes of the game,

Need I remind these people that the entire second half of the game was closure. Let me give you guys that reminder

• Resolving the Quarian/Geth war, (if you talk to Tali afterwards you'll find full closure on that story arch)
• Curing the Genophage (or leaving it unchecked, Talking to Wrex/Wreav on Earth afterwards ties up that story)
• Destroying Cerberus
• Setting closure to Jack's storyline as a military teacher finding the closest thing she has to a family.
• Finally finishing off Miranda's storyline with her killing her father (if she survives depends on the player)
• Finding resolve or annialation of the Racini Queen, be it legit or artificial
• Thane's tragic end, and subsequent vengence
• Jacob finally finding the peace to start a family.
• Samara many possible endings with her daughters

Just a few I can think of off the top of my head, oh and then of course there's Shepard dying ... so that's the end of his story.

Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

 
 Yeah i did all those awesome things and it resulted in...?  Aww, yes we have to imagine things after the credits. I've imagined that the stranded fleets begun a war over the left food and resources, eventually wiping each othe out. All main characters died as a result. Cheers.

Modifié par Nefelius, 20 mars 2012 - 12:42 .

[Computron2000]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...


[*]
Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

OP please tell me what happened the the following people since you have closure on the entire series
Liara
Garrus
Tali
EDI
James
Javik (if you have the DLC)
Hackett
Samara
Miranda
Steve
Kasumi
Zaeed
Jack
Grunt
The Sword fleet

I say again

[*]

[*]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...
 so many people here don't know how
stories are supposed to conclude and end up acting like Baby Bart
Simpson saying "Then what happened? Then what happened? Then what
happened?" repeatedly. Hell may as well keep asking Bioware to make the
story until the galaxy's stars burn out since that seems to be the only
closure so many here want. You want to know what happened to the galaxy
afterwards in your story, use your imagination.

[*]
I'm even surprised you mentioned the crew on the Normandy, even though what happened to them was clearly obvious

So of those on the normandy and did not show up in the end sequence (which includes joker and only 2 others), what happened to those? Did they die from the crash? Yes? No?

I would have thought you had noticed i did not mention Joker yet asked on the normandy crew, which would be quite obvious what i am implicitly asking

I find it strange that you think wanting to know what happened to all the mentioned people is akin to asking for a continuation when it is simply asking for the author to end the stories of all those involved. You might have noticed that it is an ensemble cast used for the story

[Dav3VsTh3World]

ichik wrote...

I can't accept, that some1 with account registered 1 week ago, with only posts that justify the bad ending, no userpic, no google-able nickname, who owns only a ME3 and has no available mutiplayer data (very propably didn't even launch it ever), has no signature is a real person, yeah, i highly doubt that. Especially after all these issues, when EA was caught red-handed doing this multiple times.

Also, i love how you ignore the real issues about the closure and just repeat all that marketing BS, that have already been said multiple times. That makes me even more suspicious.

Never seen any real person who actually liked ME3 ending btw, asked all my RL friends and relatives, all of them ('round 10 ppl who already finished it, others either not interested in the series or didn't have time yet) said the ending makes no sense and is very frustrating.

Am i clear in my denial now, mr?

Yes you are since you are closed minded to the fact that hardcore fans who are on my ass everyday via my twitter account asking why I think the ending sucked when I don't agree with them. I don't spend every single hour of my day of the last 4 years on this forum, I only came on here to find out why so many people are complaining and its becoming more obvious I'm dealing with a crowd worse than the stereotypical snobby Star Trek fanatics

[Darthlawsuit]

Closure? They invalidate the entire storyline in ME 1 & 2 during Priority: Earth. How is that closure?!

[Atmospeer]

If this is all so basic and simple, can you quickly fill us in on what we must be missing on each of the plot holes that have been pointed out?

[Dav3VsTh3World]

Computron2000 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...


[*]
Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

OP please tell me what happened the the following people since you have closure on the entire series
Liara
Garrus
Tali
EDI
James
Javik (if you have the DLC)
Hackett
Samara
Miranda
Steve
Kasumi
Zaeed
Jack
Grunt
The Sword fleet

I say again

[*]

[*]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...
 so many people here don't know how
stories are supposed to conclude and end up acting like Baby Bart
Simpson saying "Then what happened? Then what happened? Then what
happened?" repeatedly. Hell may as well keep asking Bioware to make the
story until the galaxy's stars burn out since that seems to be the only
closure so many here want. You want to know what happened to the galaxy
afterwards in your story, use your imagination.

[*]
I'm even surprised you mentioned the crew on the Normandy, even though what happened to them was clearly obvious

So of those on the normandy and did not show up in the end sequence (which includes joker and only 2 others), what happened to those? Did they die from the crash? Yes? No?

I would have thought you had noticed i did not mention Joker yet asked on the normandy crew, which would be quite obvious what i am implicitly asking

I find it strange that you think wanting to know what happened to all the mentioned people is akin to asking for a continuation when it is simply asking for the author to end the stories of all those involved. You might have noticed that it is an ensemble cast used for the story

Well for one I can't give you a definatie answer for each of those character since I have no idea what choices you made in your story, Did you choose Synthesis and have Joker and EDI get frisky on the planet? did Samara shoot herself in the head? who came out of your Normandy at the end? How big was your sword fleet, if it was below 1700 it gets wiped out completly.
[*]
Like I said figure your own story out for yourself

[d1st4nt]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Basically, while there's *some* closure during the game, the ENDING has to provide closure and satisfaction too. It doesn't have to be happy to do it, but it DOES have to end on an 'up' note for everything and *everyone* you've been fighting for.

It doesn't.

No, it doesn't.  Read a greek tragedy every once and a while, everyone dies and the whole place goes to hell, the end.

Some of literature's greatest works end on a "everyone's fubar, enjoy" note.

Sure, it's crappy experiencing it, but it doesn't HAVE to end differently.

[Darthlawsuit]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...


[*]
Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

OP please tell me what happened the the following people since you have closure on the entire series
Liara
Garrus
Tali
EDI
James
Javik (if you have the DLC)
Hackett
Samara
Miranda
Steve
Kasumi
Zaeed
Jack
Grunt
The Sword fleet

I say again

[*]

[*]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...
 so many people here don't know how
stories are supposed to conclude and end up acting like Baby Bart
Simpson saying "Then what happened? Then what happened? Then what
happened?" repeatedly. Hell may as well keep asking Bioware to make the
story until the galaxy's stars burn out since that seems to be the only
closure so many here want. You want to know what happened to the galaxy
afterwards in your story, use your imagination.

[*]
I'm even surprised you mentioned the crew on the Normandy, even though what happened to them was clearly obvious

So of those on the normandy and did not show up in the end sequence (which includes joker and only 2 others), what happened to those? Did they die from the crash? Yes? No?

I would have thought you had noticed i did not mention Joker yet asked on the normandy crew, which would be quite obvious what i am implicitly asking

I find it strange that you think wanting to know what happened to all the mentioned people is akin to asking for a continuation when it is simply asking for the author to end the stories of all those involved. You might have noticed that it is an ensemble cast used for the story

Well for one I can't give you a definatie answer for each of those character since I have no idea what choices you made in your story, Did you choose Synthesis and have Joker and EDI get frisky on the planet? did Samara shoot herself in the head? who came out of your Normandy at the end? How big was your sword fleet, if it was below 1700 it gets wiped out completly.
[*]
Like I said figure your own story out for yourself

If I wanted to figure out the ending for myself I would have stopped at ME2 and just used my imagination for the rest.... Infact what I had planned would happen was better than ME3. I could have saved $60 and never spent the time playing if I wanted to figure it out myself.
 
I bought this game because I wanted a story to be TOLD to me as I play not destroy the entirestoryline during the last mission

[Keatstwo]

Whilst it's true that a lot of the "closure" for the series happens throughout ME3 rather than being stuffed into the ending it's completely invalidated by the destruction of the mass relays at the end which leaves everyone stranded in the sol system.

Cured the genophage? Doesn't matter, Wrex and most of the krogan males are stuck on earth.

United the geth and quarians? Doesn't matter, they're all stuck too and Rannoch will never be rebuilt.

[Computron2000]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...



[*]
Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

OP please tell me what happened the the following people since you have closure on the entire series
Liara
Garrus
Tali
EDI
James
Javik (if you have the DLC)
Hackett
Samara
Miranda
Steve
Kasumi
Zaeed
Jack
Grunt
The Sword fleet

I say again


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Dav3VsTh3World wrote...
 so many people here don't know how
stories are supposed to conclude and end up acting like Baby Bart
Simpson saying "Then what happened? Then what happened? Then what
happened?" repeatedly. Hell may as well keep asking Bioware to make the
story until the galaxy's stars burn out since that seems to be the only
closure so many here want. You want to know what happened to the galaxy
afterwards in your story, use your imagination.

[*]
I'm even surprised you mentioned the crew on the Normandy, even though what happened to them was clearly obvious

So of those on the normandy and did not show up in the end sequence (which includes joker and only 2 others), what happened to those? Did they die from the crash? Yes? No?

I would have thought you had noticed i did not mention Joker yet asked on the normandy crew, which would be quite obvious what i am implicitly asking

I find it strange that you think wanting to know what happened to all the mentioned people is akin to asking for a continuation when it is simply asking for the author to end the stories of all those involved. You might have noticed that it is an ensemble cast used for the story

Well for one I can't give you a definatie answer for each of those character since I have no idea what choices you made in your story, Did you choose Synthesis and have Joker and EDI get frisky on the planet? did Samara shoot herself in the head? who came out of your Normandy at the end? How big was your sword fleet, if it was below 1700 it gets wiped out completly.

[*]
Like I said figure your own story out for yourself

Samara did not kill herself in my game, so feel free to tell me what happened to her according to what the ending told you about her.
Oh and i''ve already seen all the endings. Feel free to answer regarding all the characters i listed using your own playthrough from what the ending told you about them. Gotta close the stories of the entire cast.

[ichik]

I probably should tell my friends that they're considered hardcore fans now (lots of them finished ME just because i insisted actually).

For an open-minded person you make too many assumptions based on nothing but your imagination, while neglecting the real issues you were addressed.

[MattFini]

Computron2000 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

[*]
Honestly how can people say the game has no closure when the game is filled with it?

OP please tell me what happened the the following people since you have closure on the entire series
Liara
Garrus
Tali
EDI
James
Javik (if you have the DLC)
Hackett
Samara
Miranda
Steve
Kasumi
Zaeed
Jack
Grunt
The Sword fleet

[*]This is ALL that needs to be said.  

[Darthlawsuit]

d1st4nt wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Basically, while there's *some* closure during the game, the ENDING has to provide closure and satisfaction too. It doesn't have to be happy to do it, but it DOES have to end on an 'up' note for everything and *everyone* you've been fighting for.

It doesn't.

No, it doesn't.  Read a greek tragedy every once and a while, everyone dies and the whole place goes to hell, the end.

Some of literature's greatest works end on a "everyone's fubar, enjoy" note.

Sure, it's crappy experiencing it, but it doesn't HAVE to end differently.

You know how many greek tragedies I have read? 0. You want to know why? Read your own post.

I just wished they warned me about the S***** ending so I could have saved $60 and been happy with the ending I thought they would do and were going at for 90% of the game.