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#226
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Kilshrek wrote...

There can never be too much Liara, but... Liara fatigue is possible in some cases....


/faint

I didn't have an issue with Liara being in the game too much. Imo it would fit in because she's a Prothean expert/Shadow Broker/ Data Goddess who helped support Shepard. I think her role was more practical than merely aesthetic.

Modifié par Vizunah, 20 mars 2012 - 02:40 .


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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Regardless of romance, Jacob and Miranda are complete strangers wearing enemy colours who killed Shep's squad on Akuze. Yet, rather than shooting them on sight and taking the only shuttle back to Alliance HQ, Shep immediately trusts them, Presumably, they wanted to avoid a similar situation in ME3.

I never liked that....my Shep is the 'War Hero' status, but he still hears about Akuze and see's and deals with the damage Cerberus does in ME1...if I had my way he would have said to hell with Cerberus and stayed on the station attempting to relay a distress call to the Alliance to come get him....his a Paragon, so I guess shooting Miranda and Jacob would have been out of the question, but placing a distress call would have been a more approbriate response than boarding the shuttle with, also going back and looking for survivors....My Paragade and Renegon would have shot Jacob and Miranda on the spot, Paragde then going back and looking for survivors.

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Rogue Unit wrote...

keekee53 wrote...

Definitely not enough Kaidan.


Fix'd. I believe this is your real gripe.


Yeah that it is..lol


Yoshibb wrote this on page 4 proving my point...

I love Liara, she's my second favorite, but yeah, there was a littttllle too much of her.

On the first mission to Mars, Liara has a prominent role (apparently this didn't interrupt her shadow broker duties?)
She's there at the citadel explaining the crucible to the council
She's there after Shep's dream to talk to her
She talks to you in the shadow broker's office
She asks to come up to Shep's room to talk about her information box thing
She gives you the ardat yakshi mission and has a lot of dialogue for that mission
She has more conversations with you in her office
She consoles you after your second dream
She has to go along with you to Thessia and is always the one to save Shep from falling
She
has a consoling scene in which every member of your crew reminds you to
go see her despite the fact that Garrus, Shep, Vega, and VS have gone
through the same thing
She has the best romance scene with the most content and the only love interest that is fully nude
She also is placed as the default flashback if you romanced anyone besides the VS
She is the only squadmate from ME1 and ME2 that cannot really die

Seriously,
that's a bit of Liara overload. How about sharing some of that love
with all the other squadmates and ME2 love interests.


So yeah it was a bit much....

#229
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To much Liara?

This is madness!

She had 2 forced missions, the DLC and Thessia (and I would probably have brought her in both anyways considering prothean expertise and her race). Plus she is the Shadow Broker.

One can argue that it is to little Kaidan/Ashley etc, but then it is to little of them, not to much Liara.

Never to much Liara lol

#230
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ravene wrote...

simple answer yea there was to much liara in mass effect and not enough of the other chars but then again i expected it since she got her own comic as well as dlc, and other chars got zip.

And they dont even let you ingore her if you dont like her char she is shoved on you to much wich makes it verry hard to like anything about her char in one she was ok after that her char was pushed way to hard on the series.

I know there are alot of people that like her but for myself they took what could have been a good suport char and ruined her trying to make her to importain to the plot. mass effect is soposed to be sheps story not sheps and liara's.

I agree completely, I know I would certainly have a lot more patience and less irritation with Liara if she wasn't rammed down my throat with a jack hammer....and i have been calling this Liara and Sheps story (predominantely Liara's) sinse my first ME3 run...it is not Sheps story.

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Liara's great so you can't have 'too' much of her but I felt like she got a lot more screen time then other squadmates even if I didn't bring her on that many missions. I loved all the squaddies (except Ash because I killed her on Virmire) so I wish that they had as much face time as Liara got. Kaidan and Tali were absent for a pretty big portion of the game :/

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Malanek999 wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Dusk1976 wrote...

Liara did have the majority of cutscenes, though the only other initial choice is Vega. Williams/Alenko isn't available until after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel, and then, only if you don't put a bullet in her/his head. I'm trying to get a "Scorched Earth" ME2 run completed, where only Legion and Zaeed survive the Omega 4 Relay mission. I've had the ME3 experience where everyone survives. I want to see the flipside, and Liara would be one of the only ones left, since she didn't go on the mission with you.

If Garrus is dead from ME2, does Liara do all the Palavn mission as well?


yes, her and Vega are youre only 2 choices since Ashley is still in the hospital

What I was getting at is if Garrus is alive you can't choose Liara. Does she become available if Garrus is dead?


yes, she is already with you on Palaven, and she doesnt leave,becuase you have to have 2 squadmates,and since Garrus is dead,and Ashley is in the hospital, its just You, Liara and Vega at that point

Modifié par VirtualSoldier27, 20 mars 2012 - 02:55 .


#233
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I found it a bit awkward that when I romanced Ashley she was there for me for the romance scene and nothing more while Liara checks in on you every time you wake up from a bad dream.

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Fenrisfil wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Aside from the ending and MP enforcement to get the EMS up, I feel ME3 is a beautiful game...epic... But if there is one thing that really bugs me throughout the game itself, it's the over inclusion of Liara, I just felt dogged by her...she has the lions share of dialogs, lions share of enforced missions, lions share of essentiality, lions share of screen and Normandy time...I just felt she was on Sheps heels way too much with inclusion and cut scenes....Does anyone else feel this way?


Initially, yes. But after a while I concluded that it was partially because if you have a different LI you don't get to hook up for a potentially long time in ME3 and partially because of her personality. That is, now she's over her youthful innocence/shyness of ME1, she's a very expressive and emotional person and the writing plays up to this a lot. As Shadow Broker, she's also a key resource outside of missions. So I don't mind. I would prefer it if other characters got as much screen time (especially other LIs), but I don't begrudge her the time she got. Actually, several times I went to her room and was disapointed to just get the "Hello Shepard" line, but she had grown on me considerably by then.

I think if you don't really like her personality, there is probably not much you can do to get away from her. Though taking Javik with you to her homeworld may cheer you up a bit.

My Sheps are all single, so definitely not the issue for me....But you are right in the fact that I don't find her appealing...Yes, I have taken Javik to her homeworld, I just wish Shep could reprimand her for her for her behaviour both in concerns to that and her behaviour if you get the argument she has with Javik in his quarters.

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Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Brace yourself, OP; you're about to get swarmed by the "Blue Baby Brigade".

For the record, Liara is one of my Top 5 characters. But the focus on her was definitely a little too much. I can only imagine how those who dislike her must feel.


People who dislike my woman exist? ._.

Savages.

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keekee53 wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

keekee53 wrote...

Definitely not enough Kaidan.


Fix'd. I believe this is your real gripe.


Yeah that it is..lol


Yoshibb wrote this on page 4 proving my point...

I love Liara, she's my second favorite, but yeah, there was a littttllle too much of her.

On the first mission to Mars, Liara has a prominent role (apparently this didn't interrupt her shadow broker duties?)
She's there at the citadel explaining the crucible to the council
She's there after Shep's dream to talk to her
She talks to you in the shadow broker's office
She asks to come up to Shep's room to talk about her information box thing
She gives you the ardat yakshi mission and has a lot of dialogue for that mission
She has more conversations with you in her office
She consoles you after your second dream
She has to go along with you to Thessia and is always the one to save Shep from falling
She
has a consoling scene in which every member of your crew reminds you to
go see her despite the fact that Garrus, Shep, Vega, and VS have gone
through the same thing
She has the best romance scene with the most content and the only love interest that is fully nude
She also is placed as the default flashback if you romanced anyone besides the VS
She is the only squadmate from ME1 and ME2 that cannot really die

Seriously,
that's a bit of Liara overload. How about sharing some of that love
with all the other squadmates and ME2 love interests.


So yeah it was a bit much....

Yoshibb certainly proved the point there and I appreciate his/her attention to the exact details.

#237
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There is no such thing.

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I feel the same. Dont get me wrong, I dont think it is "to much" in a negative way per se. But... I do think it is an unfair amount of screen time compared to the other squadmates and LI's..

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I could take MORE Liara... All the time bro... Twice on Sunday... Come on, she's the best...

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luferndes wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Brace yourself, OP; you're about to get swarmed by the "Blue Baby Brigade".

For the record, Liara is one of my Top 5 characters. But the focus on her was definitely a little too much. I can only imagine how those who dislike her must feel.


People who dislike my woman exist? ._.

Savages.


Blue Baby Brigade lol

I like that.

#241
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I didn't think there was too much Liara, but I did think there wasn't enough "everyone else".

Though Garrus did get quite a few kickass moments, I just wish others were as developed.

Modifié par DasGota, 20 mars 2012 - 03:04 .


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I loved Liara. :wub:

But seriously, she was forced on players who weren't romancing her a bit too much.

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Liara is almost forced on the player, she has the most screentime of any romance option in the game it's not surprising why so many people like her. She's the only character worth liking. Ashley and Kaidan were ridiculous, and the other ones from ME2 were an insult if you actually expected a proper romance. Liara and Shepard have multiple 1 on 1 conversations throughout ME3 as well. It really bothered me that Bioware just decided Liara would be the cannon LI and give her so much screentime, then it's like "oh well all love her," well no kidding she's in the game more than any other Romance option. If you swapped her time and Ashley's(and went easier on the trust issue nonsense) you'd have people loving Ashley, or any of the other options, So yes, I think there was far too much Liara. Fortunately she is a very well done character so it didn't bother me in the sense that I was tired of her, just that there wasn't enough balance when compared to the other romantic interests.

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I could have lived with less liara/vega/edi and more Tali/garrus/everyone else minus jack from me2 but its a non-issue compared to the ending really.

#245
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This could possibly be good DLC for them, after they fix the endings of course. More romance dialogue for other characters.

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I don't feel it was too much Liara, I feel there was not enough Garrus and Tali.

I could have taken more Liara.

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something to check... who was Liara's voice actor and is she in any kind of relationship with someone important on the dev team? I'm thinking something like Alice from resident evil may have occurred.

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Fat Head wrote...

I don't feel it was too much Liara, I feel there was not enough Garrus and Tali.

I could have taken more Liara.


Also this. It would've been really nice to see more missions specifically tailored for Garrus/Tali.

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Lynch the OP.

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Skirata129 wrote...

something to check... who was Liara's voice actor and is she in any kind of relationship with someone important on the dev team? I'm thinking something like Alice from resident evil may have occurred.


I hope we dont have an "Alice" situation here, dont get me started on that subject!!!

with that said, Liara shouldnt be compared to Alice, Liara actually serves a purpose other than to screw the canon charachters out of screentime becuase her husband is the director

Modifié par VirtualSoldier27, 20 mars 2012 - 03:17 .