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[Rolling Flame]

Baa Baa wrote...

I like Liara, and well all Asari for obvious reasons, but I was getting pissed with them bombarding me with Liara, especially in the ending. I kind of wanted to tell her, "****, you do realize that I'm with Tali still right? Stop stalking me"

Here's one.

[FoxShadowblade]

It does feel like too much, especially when the character's only saving grace is that she voices Lightning as well.

Seriously, I've never seen a more inconsistent, annoying, and hero-stalking character. She bugs the hell out of me, especially when other characters are introduced WAY too late into the game.

EDIT: By that, I mean that she takes up a lot of screen time that could have been taken by another squadmate..same with Vega(Why is he even in the game?!)

I'd also like to amend my previous statement, the time capsule part where she asks Shepard what he wants in the record, it's kind of sweet in a "Aww, best friends" kind of way. And is the only part Liara has where I'm not sitting there going: "Good God, you talk but all I hear is the things I know"

Modifié par FoxShadowblade, 15 mai 2012 - 06:13 .

[Shajar]

Yoshiyuki Ly wrote...

Imagine in ME3 there was a Renegade option on the wheel, "We're not friends."

Shepard: "You know what Liara, I appreciate your help as my Prothean expert but I really can't stand you. I'm sick of you trying to act all buddy-buddy with me all the time."

Liara: "'Buddy-buddy'? So taking the time to keep you updated on progress means I'm being too nice? I understand you always want to keep our talks strictly business, but this is just petty!"

Shepard: "I don't care what you call it. I don't like you, I treated you like crap for years now and I want you to shove it. Stay out of my cabin. I'd rather have Tali visit me instead of you."

Liara: *goes on some more about being unappreciated before storming out*

Next thing you know, the Shadow Broker and Prothean expert no longer wants anything to do with Shepard. Liara goes to work on the Crucible instead of being a quick go-to source for information. But Shepard doesn't care, because s/he has Traynor and EDI instead.

Oooh, me wants. Already drooling here 

@Arlonia

Just listen Valentia-X she/he is right, you get to choose. You dont need to recruit Garrus in ME1, you dont need to recruit Tali in ME2 (Jack does not die, just buy Jacob's ship armor) + you can kill both Tali and Garrus at ME2. So you dont have to see them at ME3,

okay now lets see our options, ohh wait. There is none, Blue thing always appears to my room to try get that Prothean beacon info from me, still after 3 years she wants it. I wish we others could choose, but no we cant.

Garrus and Tali stays at game because majority likes them, not our problem that you dont like such a interesting characters. Im glad that both of my favorite characters stick with Shepard always

Modifié par Shajar, 15 mai 2012 - 06:22 .

[soulprovider]

 truthfully after thinking about the game its leads me to beleive that the reason the series focused on liara a lot is more so to do with liara being and indoctrinated agent for the reapers and trying to trick shepard into building the trap known as the crucible, if aything I beleive that the events of mass effect 3 are more so a long the lines of shepard and hacket losing the fight no matter what due to the crucible making the reapers jobs easier and that the events of the ending are liara's last vestiges of sanity trying to warn shepard about this so he can warn admiral hackett so they could alter the crucibles systems to make it into a trap for the reapers and then the events of the game play out and the fleet evacuates the sol system throught the charon relay while the bulk of the reaper fleet gets swallowed up in the ensuing supernova.


its my head canon and i'm sticking too it because liara is the only character in the game to actively exhibit the indoctrination signs in the first game and to out right lie to shepard in the second game as well as possibly compromising shepard to the illusive man and the only being to push the crucible until thessia, but if this pattern has repeated itself then the crucible has been planted as a false hope for a long time, a plan B if you will incase someone ever found a way to wrestle full control of the citadel from the reapers. The protheans did this so the reaper deployed diversion shock and awe tactics to make the galaxy desperate enough to use plan B which was designed to destroy all tech, control all tech or indoctrinate all organics in the galaxy so the reapers minimized casuatlies and made their harvest more efficient, sure there could be a few loses but something tells me that if known the reapers could repair the casualties they could recover, and the reason to deploy this plan B is because a united galaxy could in fact mount an effective defense against the reapers and the casualty rate on both ends would be inefficient. 

Remember we have to treat them like synthetic/organic hybrids because that is what they are, they are living ships with the logic drives of a machine designed to use organic processing power to increase their intelligence while remaining cold and calculating. The we have organics that think that way as normal business practices so imagine if machines worked on cold efficiency and a plan B is entirely possible.

[RuthlessGravity]

To be honest... I do not know. I mean sure she was my LI but I really didn't feel she was always in the way. Hell, I always walked in on her room expecting a longer conversation besides idle chatting. I felt all the characters got in some degree their screen time without being comprised for one or another.

That's just me, but I can get the sentiment if other people feel the pressure that one character gets more attention.

[Seifer006]

Golden Owl wrote...

Aside from the ending and MP enforcement to get the EMS up, I feel ME3 is a beautiful game...epic... But if there is one thing that really bugs me throughout the game itself, it's the over inclusion of Liara, I just felt dogged by her...she has the lions share of dialogs, lions share of enforced missions, lions share of essentiality, lions share of screen and Normandy time...I just felt she was on Sheps heels way too much with inclusion and cut scenes....Does anyone else feel this way?

Though everyone has there own Opinion - I personally didn't like ME3 compared to ME1,2. I simply thought most of the character development was pathetic. Liara is given so much emphasis throughout the entire ME series. And in ME3, the rest of the characters are "neglected"

I didn't have Liara as a LI, but had Miranda, Ash, and Subject Zer0 in my seperate playthroughs. In ME3 none except Ash was recruitable. I couldn't take Miranda on any mission. I couldn't bring Subject Zer0 on any missions. I didn't recruit Ash till middle of the game (and the way they made Ash in ME3 was awful. Her character defintely changed) she's not fun, but whines and almost you didn't want to bring her back on the Normandy.

For those who wanted Kelly Chambers back as a romancable character........good luck with that.

Though I'm not a fan of Liara. I was a fan of Zaeed, Wrex/Wreav/Grunt the Krogans are awesome (yes even Wreav)
Instead of having any of these characters (they were all cameos how pathetic is that) I instead get some new character name Vega or the prothean. Though they cool characters --- can't replace Grunt, Zaeed, Wrex/Wreav
so yeah, Liara was in the game from beginning.

And the rest cameos. Is that lazy-poor-writing? I think so. I also see the ME3 as a whole as "rushed"

I would gladly have waited another year if all these could have been avoided

[rubynorman]

Too much? I think the real threads we should make here is "too little *insert your favorite character's name*". That would be much better IMO. Why spend your time complaining when what you should do is ask for more. 

[TNT1991]

I believe that most of the scenes with Liara and Shepard should have just been for those who actually romanced her, make some of those scenes special and unique for them.While everyone else, have another Li take the place for those scenes instead of Liara, but still have them unique from each other. But, IMO what we have right now, is just plain laziness...for both Liara lovers and non-Liara lovers. *ugh/sigh*

Modifié par TNT1991, 15 mai 2012 - 07:38 .

[Oransel]

There is no too much Liara. There is too little of others.

[Bebuse]

Oransel wrote...

There is no too much Liara. There is too little of others.

Agreed. There was just the right amount of Liara, if she is your LI. They should have ditched the repeated "do you want to be more than friends" questions (3 times? Seriously? I said yes already) and expanded every other character's dialogue so you can actually have more than one or two interactive conversations with them.

eg, Vega's first "dialogue", the dance, was brilliant, then his N7 conversations were good. But they were too few, too far apart, for such a big game. More like that, with other characters, please!!

Modifié par Bebuse, 15 mai 2012 - 07:55 .

[mechalynx]

No, not at all. In fact it was too little of everything except for the Catalyst.

Could've done without that completely.

[The Sacred One]

She was my LI so nope.

MOAR LIARA PLS.

[Ieldra]

There was too much Liara in comparison with other characters, yes, indeed.

I used to like her somewhat in ME1. Then they went and character-assassinated her to make her the Shadow Broker. From reclusive archaeologist to badass information broker? Pfft. I liked the new incarnation better than the first, but it wasn't the same character. From that point onward, Liara was broken for me, and it didn't help that there were other characters much better suited to be Shadow Broker than Liara, why not give them invinclble plot armor instead?

And ME3 really went overboard with the favoritism, from being required squadmate on three (!!!) missions (everyone else got one at the max) to being the only one having a special intimate scene even if you didn't romance her, to replacing other LIs in the post-decision flashback.

The favoritism has impinged on roleplaying. No, Liara is not my LI and my Shepard does not think of her instead of Miranda. No, I have no friendship with her that is more special than the friendship with everyone else. Damned spotlight-stealing blue space babe....

[Phydeaux314]

She was my Shepard's love interest, so no, I didn't think there was too much.

[TiminatorT2000]

Ieldra2 wrote...

There was too much Liara in comparison with other characters, yes, indeed.

Too be more accurate I would say there was too little of everyone else (Thane,Jacob,Jack,Miranda) , not that there was too much of Liara.


Liara just receives "hate" becuase she was the only one exceptionally done.

[Theodoro]

So... let me get this straight. Liara got more content than other characters and LIs in Mass Effect 3. That is a fact. So, instead of complaining about the lack of content for them, you all bash on Liara? Real mature. Even though Liara is my most favorite character, I certainly didn't like the fact that others were left out, since I have a lot of other favorite characters and LIs, and the least they deserved was their own scene at the end of Mass Effect 3, rather than Shepard's last thought being of Liara unless he/she romanced Ashley or Kaidan. Not to mention the ridiculous small amount of screen time most of them got. Those are all valid points, but taking it out on Liara is just petty.

[Shajar]

RuthlessGravity wrote...

To be honest... I do not know. I mean sure she was my LI but I really didn't feel she was always in the way. Hell, I always walked in on her room expecting a longer conversation besides idle chatting. I felt all the characters got in some degree their screen time without being comprised for one or another.

That's just me, but I can get the sentiment if other people feel the pressure that one character gets more attention.

Yeah its hard to notice that character what you like gets screen time. But those who dont want Liara or dont like her knows for sure that she appears too often to your cabin.

Sure i would like to see that Garrus comes to ask me im i right after Tuchanka mission. Ofc it would make sense, he was with me at ME2, he knew Mordin and Wrex. And so on....

Too bad BW focus their efforts on Liara when there is many interesting chracters out there

[GreyWardenNathan]

There was too much in comparison too others. but as people have saidit could also be too little for all other companions. now and then liara does seem forced though and seems to have more cutscenes. the scene with her dad was annoying more than any other. her role as shadowbroker didnt seem to matter much apart from that monitor with peoples messages
and for a prothean expert she doesnt seem to be in me3. I dont hate her though, just think the character was more biowares favourite

[dublin omega 223]

GreyWardenNathan wrote...

There was too much in comparison too others. but as people have saidit could also be too little for all other companions. now and then liara does seem forced though and seems to have more cutscenes. the scene with her dad was annoying more than any other. her role as shadowbroker didnt seem to matter much apart from that monitor with peoples messages
and for a prothean expert she doesnt seem to be in me3. I dont hate her though, just think the character was more biowares favourite

Have to agree I think that Liara should not have even been a squadmate in ME3, could have had been a useful SB, but that sadly didn't happen.

[Gexora]

Rolling Flame wrote...

There's always one thing in these threads that make me laugh.

People who didn't romance Liara felt like that they were romancing, or being forced into romancing her.

People who did romance Liara felt like she was too distant for most of the game.

It may make you laugh, but it was true for my Shepard. 
I also didn't like Tali all that much; I was nice to her just because she gave off this little sister vibe, but I COULD be rude to her. To Liara, I couldn't. She was forced on me as my bestest friend. And that memory shard scene was just ridiculous, I kept expecting her to jump my Shepard. I even went to check if I had somehow gotten Liara romance flag active

[Gexora]

Gexora wrote...

Rolling Flame wrote...

There's always one thing in these threads that make me laugh.

People who didn't romance Liara felt like that they were romancing, or being forced into romancing her.

People who did romance Liara felt like she was too distant for most of the game.

It may make you laugh, but it was true for my Shepard. 
I also didn't like Tali all that much; I was nice to her just because she gave off this little sister vibe, but I COULD be rude to her. To Liara, I couldn't. She was forced on me as my bestest friend. And that memory shard scene was just ridiculous, I kept expecting her to jump my Shepard. I even went to check if I had somehow gotten Liara romance flag active

Plus I couldn't help but wonder if she could have been slightly better at her role as Shadow Broker if she got off my ship

[MstrJedi Kyle]

AngryKrogan777 wrote...

No. But she is included so much because she is the only one who is a guaranteed sqaudmate and has been around since ME1. Would you rather have Vega or EDI be the centralized ones?

They probably didn't see much point in writing and recording a bunch of lines for people who might not be in the game.

Modifié par DarthKilby, 15 mai 2012 - 11:37 .

[dublin omega 223]

Gexora wrote...

Gexora wrote...

Rolling Flame wrote...

There's always one thing in these threads that make me laugh.

People who didn't romance Liara felt like that they were romancing, or being forced into romancing her.

People who did romance Liara felt like she was too distant for most of the game.

It may make you laugh, but it was true for my Shepard. 
I also didn't like Tali all that much; I was nice to her just because she gave off this little sister vibe, but I COULD be rude to her. To Liara, I couldn't. She was forced on me as my bestest friend. And that memory shard scene was just ridiculous, I kept expecting her to jump my Shepard. I even went to check if I had somehow gotten Liara romance flag active

Plus I couldn't help but wonder if she could have been slightly better at her role as Shadow Broker if she got off my ship

Glad to see you agree with me. Liara would have been better as a non squadmate like so many of the ME2 squadmates. I would have liked it if a few of them were on the team instead of the crap Prothean researcher, like Grunt or Kasumi for example.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 15 mai 2012 - 11:38 .

[ComfortablyNumb]

Yoshiyuki Ly wrote...

Imagine in ME3 there was a Renegade option on the wheel, "We're not friends."

Shepard: "You know what Liara, I appreciate your help as my Prothean expert but I really can't stand you. I'm sick of you trying to act all buddy-buddy with me all the time."

Liara: "'Buddy-buddy'? So taking the time to keep you updated on progress means I'm being too nice? I understand you always want to keep our talks strictly business, but this is just petty!"

Shepard: "I don't care what you call it. I don't like you, I treated you like crap for years now and I want you to shove it. Stay out of my cabin. I'd rather have Tali visit me instead of you."

Liara: *goes on some more about being unappreciated before storming out*

Next thing you know, the Shadow Broker and Prothean expert no longer wants anything to do with Shepard. Liara goes to work on the Crucible instead of being a quick go-to source for information. But Shepard doesn't care, because s/he has Traynor and EDI instead.

Nothing much would change, but that's just unprofessional to me. And unnecessarily mean. I agree that a confrontation like this could have at least been an option...but it isn't. Deal with it.

1.What "progress update"? Informing me that Salarian councilor is on the comm? That's Traynor's job. What was there tah required her to visit my quarters?
2.As A SB she only arranged for one squad to work for me (which happened on a Citadel) and some material shipments (of which I read via her terminal). So, please, let's not prettend that she was in any way helpful as a SB. TIM knew more about her being SB that she knew what Cerberus was doing.