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[TheClonesLegacy]

Of course I feel this...
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[lillitheris]

There is no such thing as “too much” Liara. That’s a paradoxical statement.

There is, however, the sad lack of many other characters.

There’s also way too much crab-barreling going on. Focus, people.

[Barquiel]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Frostmourne86 wrote...

I think part of the problem is that, when you look at all the other squadmates' actions after the beginning of ME 2, they all acted more mature and moved on with their lives (Tali and Garrus included); Liara was the only one who had this immature fixation on Shepard and the Shadow Broker.

Liara didn't drop everything in order to join Shepard in ME2 ("The universe doesn't work that way Shepard. I can't drop everything for you. I have debts that need repaying"). She also knew the SB worked for the collectors.

Garrus had nothing better to do than to play batman on Omega (completely pointless...he knew the reapers are coming) and Tali went back to helping her Father with the war against the Geth. I don't know how this is more mature than Liara's activities.

Ok heres something to dispute this, if Garrus and Tali had known what was going down with the SB and Shep's body, they would have mist likely helped Liara out. And they were moving on with their lives after Shepard's death thats why Tali went back to the fleet and Garrus became the dark knight of Omega.

Maybe, maybe not. I think it would have been ooc for Tali to work with cerberus, given the Quarian's history with them. Garrus is a quitter, I guess TIM wanted someone more reliable.

[dublin omega 223]

Barquiel wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Frostmourne86 wrote...

I think part of the problem is that, when you look at all the other squadmates' actions after the beginning of ME 2, they all acted more mature and moved on with their lives (Tali and Garrus included); Liara was the only one who had this immature fixation on Shepard and the Shadow Broker.

Liara didn't drop everything in order to join Shepard in ME2 ("The universe doesn't work that way Shepard. I can't drop everything for you. I have debts that need repaying"). She also knew the SB worked for the collectors.

Garrus had nothing better to do than to play batman on Omega (completely pointless...he knew the reapers are coming) and Tali went back to helping her Father with the war against the Geth. I don't know how this is more mature than Liara's activities.

Ok heres something to dispute this, if Garrus and Tali had known what was going down with the SB and Shep's body, they would have mist likely helped Liara out. And they were moving on with their lives after Shepard's death thats why Tali went back to the fleet and Garrus became the dark knight of Omega.

Maybe, maybe not. I think it would have been ooc for Tali to work with cerberus, given the Quarian's history with them. Garrus is a quitter, I guess TIM wanted someone more reliable.

I see Garrus as a lot of things but a quitter is not one of them as for Tali working with Cerberus. That'd simply be a deal with a devil, one I think she would make if she knew it had any hope of bringing back Shepard.

[Twin_Jaded]

Blind2Society wrote...

Now that I think about it, yeah, there was way too much Liara for me. They sure made it seem like she was the canon LI, and for me, canon anything in this game just doesn't fit.

Agreed, but thankfully for me -- Liara's my main squeeze anyway, so no biggy. But that still equals truth.

[Barquiel]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I see Garrus as a lot of things but a quitter is not one of them as for Tali working with Cerberus. That'd simply be a deal with a devil, one I think she would make if she knew it had any hope of bringing back Shepard.

He quits everything he starts. He quit C-Sec, twice if you paragoned him. He quit Spectre training after the first game and ran off to kill mercs. Tali said she is working with Shepard and not with Cerberus. But if Shepard is dead...I don't think she would trust them.

[selphiegirl]

I wouldn't of cared so much if they had actually spread out the time with the other squad mates too.

What really bothered me was the fact that she was being force fed to me as a romance. Since ME1 my Shepard had been loyal to Kaidan and had never shown an interest in Liara like that.
I felt like she was going to "boil my bunny" because I didn't choose to romance her in ME3.

With that said, I loved the "Shadow Broker" DLC for ME2. An entire DLC dedicated to Liara and I liked it alot. I wish, for my Shepard, she had stayed like that. Cool and badass threatening to flay people with her mind.

[dublin omega 223]

Barquiel wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I see Garrus as a lot of things but a quitter is not one of them as for Tali working with Cerberus. That'd simply be a deal with a devil, one I think she would make if she knew it had any hope of bringing back Shepard.

He quits everything he starts. He quit C-Sec, twice if you paragoned him. He quit Spectre training after the first game and ran off to kill mercs. Tali said she is working with Shepard and not with Cerberus. But if Shepard is dead...I don't think she would trust them.

Garrus quit C-sec to help stop Saren the first time, and because of the red tape the second time and the Spectre training cause of the Council denying the Repaers exist, plus the mercs were scumbag criminals they deserved what they got. Also I get the impression Tali would work with Cerberus to get Shepard back, as sometimes you have to comitt a sin in order to do the work of God.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 15 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[dublin omega 223]

double post

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 15 mai 2012 - 11:13 .

[Shallyah]

The undebatable fact is that everyone who did not romance Liara wishes they had to deal much less with her spotlight wh0ring. It's basically Liara romancers vs the rest of the world.

In the other hand, you don't have everyone who did not romance Garrus mass hating him, or wishing he wasn't around so much. Same goes for Jack, or Ashley, or Tali, or Miranda, all the same. Most people are happy with how each character participates in the storyline regardless of who they romanced. If anything, they wish they could have seen more of most characters.

The exception is Liara, the only character which people are truly and exceedingly fed up with. Only those that romanced her have the obvious strong bias to not admit that she's too much of an insufferable bore during the whole trilogy. That is ultimately the fact that clearly proves that they overdid it with the stupid writer's pet.

Modifié par Shallyah, 16 mai 2012 - 12:56 .

[4stringwizard]

Shallyah wrote...

The undebatable fact is that everyone who did not romance Liara wishes they had to deal much less with her spotlight wh0ring. It's basically Liara romancers vs the rest of the world.

That is an unique case that proves that something is -very- wrong. You don't have people mass hating Garrus, except those that romanced him. Or Jack, or Ashley, or Tali, or Miranda, all the same. Most people are happy with how each character participates in the storyline, if anything, they wish they could have seen more of most characters.

The only case in which people are truly and exceedingly fed up is with Liara. Except, as I said, those that romanced her, for obvious reasons. That is, ultimately, the fact that clearly proves that they overdid it with the stupid writer's pet.

Quoted for truth!

[dublin omega 223]

Agreed.

[Barquiel]

Shallyah wrote...

The undebatable fact is that everyone who did not romance Liara wishes they had to deal much less with her spotlight wh0ring. It's basically Liara romancers vs the rest of the world.

In the other hand, you don't have everyone who did not romance Garrus mass hating him, or wishing he wasn't around so much. Same goes for Jack, or Ashley, or Tali, or Miranda, all the same. Most people are happy with how each character participates in the storyline regardless of who they romanced. If anything, they wish they could have seen more of most characters.

The exception is Liara, the only character which people are truly and exceedingly fed up with. Only those that romanced her have the obvious strong bias to not admit that she's too much of an insufferable bore during the whole trilogy. That is ultimately the fact that clearly proves that they overdid it with the stupid writer's pet.

Yeah, that's why Jacob, Tali or Vega win every "who's your least favorite character" poll

Modifié par Barquiel, 17 mai 2012 - 07:22 .

[dublin omega 223]

Barquiel wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

The undebatable fact is that everyone who did not romance Liara wishes they had to deal much less with her spotlight wh0ring. It's basically Liara romancers vs the rest of the world.

In the other hand, you don't have everyone who did not romance Garrus mass hating him, or wishing he wasn't around so much. Same goes for Jack, or Ashley, or Tali, or Miranda, all the same. Most people are happy with how each character participates in the storyline regardless of who they romanced. If anything, they wish they could have seen more of most characters.

The exception is Liara, the only character which people are truly and exceedingly fed up with. Only those that romanced her have the obvious strong bias to not admit that she's too much of an insufferable bore during the whole trilogy. That is ultimately the fact that clearly proves that they overdid it with the stupid writer's pet.

Yeah, that's why Jacob, Tali or Vega win every "who's your least favorite character" poll

I liked Vega and Jacob's characters in the series and as for Tali she is number seven in my top ten favourite characters list.

[Edolix]

I wouldn't have minded Liara's excessive screentime if only the other characters got the same treatment. Unfortunatly, they did not.

So yes, I do get incredibly frustrated with Liara's blatant favouritism. I don't dislike her, hell i'm quite happy for my Shepard to have a solid friendship with her. I just wish she wasn't constantly in my face.

Also, why did she appear in my flashback at the end? As opposed to, you know, my LI? That one especially made me grind my teeth.

[shepskisaac]

Shallyah wrote...

The undebatable fact is that everyone who did not romance Liara wishes they had to deal much less with her spotlight wh0ring. It's basically Liara romancers vs the rest of the world.

In the other hand, you don't have everyone who did not romance Garrus mass hating him, or wishing he wasn't around so much. Same goes for Jack, or Ashley, or Tali, or Miranda, all the same. Most people are happy with how each character participates in the storyline regardless of who they romanced. If anything, they wish they could have seen more of most characters.

The exception is Liara, the only character which people are truly and exceedingly fed up with. Only those that romanced her have the obvious strong bias to not admit that she's too much of an insufferable bore during the whole trilogy. That is ultimately the fact that clearly proves that they overdid it with the stupid writer's pet.

Actually, there's a sizeable amount of criticism of Garrus and Tali getting tons of reources again. They are also writers' pets, they are the only characters who are squadmates in all 3 games.

[ADLegend21]

IsaacShep wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

The undebatable fact is that everyone who did not romance Liara wishes they had to deal much less with her spotlight wh0ring. It's basically Liara romancers vs the rest of the world.

In the other hand, you don't have everyone who did not romance Garrus mass hating him, or wishing he wasn't around so much. Same goes for Jack, or Ashley, or Tali, or Miranda, all the same. Most people are happy with how each character participates in the storyline regardless of who they romanced. If anything, they wish they could have seen more of most characters.

The exception is Liara, the only character which people are truly and exceedingly fed up with. Only those that romanced her have the obvious strong bias to not admit that she's too much of an insufferable bore during the whole trilogy. That is ultimately the fact that clearly proves that they overdid it with the stupid writer's pet.

Actually, there's a sizeable amount of criticism of Garrus and Tali getting tons of reources again. They are also writers' pets, they are the only characters who are squadmates in all 3 games.

This^

[Grimwick]

IsaacShep wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

The undebatable fact is that everyone who did not romance Liara wishes they had to deal much less with her spotlight wh0ring. It's basically Liara romancers vs the rest of the world.

In the other hand, you don't have everyone who did not romance Garrus mass hating him, or wishing he wasn't around so much. Same goes for Jack, or Ashley, or Tali, or Miranda, all the same. Most people are happy with how each character participates in the storyline regardless of who they romanced. If anything, they wish they could have seen more of most characters.

The exception is Liara, the only character which people are truly and exceedingly fed up with. Only those that romanced her have the obvious strong bias to not admit that she's too much of an insufferable bore during the whole trilogy. That is ultimately the fact that clearly proves that they overdid it with the stupid writer's pet.

Actually, there's a sizeable amount of criticism of Garrus and Tali getting tons of reources again. They are also writers' pets, they are the only characters who are squadmates in all 3 games.

Yup, people have incredibly hypocritical double standards it seems.

[Tom Lehrer]

IsaacShep wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

The undebatable fact is that everyone who did not romance Liara wishes they had to deal much less with her spotlight wh0ring. It's basically Liara romancers vs the rest of the world.

In the other hand, you don't have everyone who did not romance Garrus mass hating him, or wishing he wasn't around so much. Same goes for Jack, or Ashley, or Tali, or Miranda, all the same. Most people are happy with how each character participates in the storyline regardless of who they romanced. If anything, they wish they could have seen more of most characters.

The exception is Liara, the only character which people are truly and exceedingly fed up with. Only those that romanced her have the obvious strong bias to not admit that she's too much of an insufferable bore during the whole trilogy. That is ultimately the fact that clearly proves that they overdid it with the stupid writer's pet.

Actually, there's a sizeable amount of criticism of Garrus and Tali getting tons of reources again. They are also writers' pets, they are the only characters who are squadmates in all 3 games.

True to a point but there are far fewer complaints for Garrus and Tali because they can be largely ignored and the two of them combined dont have the same number of required missions and conversations. Liaria has 3 required conversations and 4 missions you have to bring her on.

[shepskisaac]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

True to a point but there are far fewer complaints for Garrus and Tali because they can be largely ignored and the two of them combined dont have the same number of required missions and conversations. Liaria has 3 required conversations and 4 missions you have to bring her on.

But they were also perma squadmates in ME2 while Liara was only temprorary. Summing it all together, Liara, Tali & Garrus are the 3 characters that without any doubt recieved the most resources in this trilogy and any future ME3 DLC should focus on ANYONE but these 3, they've got more than enough already

[Grimwick]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

The undebatable fact is that everyone who did not romance Liara wishes they had to deal much less with her spotlight wh0ring. It's basically Liara romancers vs the rest of the world.

In the other hand, you don't have everyone who did not romance Garrus mass hating him, or wishing he wasn't around so much. Same goes for Jack, or Ashley, or Tali, or Miranda, all the same. Most people are happy with how each character participates in the storyline regardless of who they romanced. If anything, they wish they could have seen more of most characters.

The exception is Liara, the only character which people are truly and exceedingly fed up with. Only those that romanced her have the obvious strong bias to not admit that she's too much of an insufferable bore during the whole trilogy. That is ultimately the fact that clearly proves that they overdid it with the stupid writer's pet.

Actually, there's a sizeable amount of criticism of Garrus and Tali getting tons of reources again. They are also writers' pets, they are the only characters who are squadmates in all 3 games.

True to a point but there are far fewer complaints for Garrus and Tali because they can be largely ignored and the two of them combined dont have the same number of required missions and conversations. Liaria has 3 required conversations and 4 missions you have to bring her on.

1 of those missions is for like 5-10 mins, fair enough if you don't want to take her on the other three but it isn't that bad.

And it's not like you can't just skip those conversations...

[Taboo]

I like Liara as a friend.

My Shepard belongs to someone else though.........

She has something blue as well..........her eyes.

[twisty77]

I don't know if this has been brought up at all in the past 26 pages, but I'm going to bring it up now.

Liara is the ONLY squaddie in the entire trilogy that you HAVE to recruit and legitimately cannot die. You HAVE to recruit her in ME1, and since she's not in your squad during ME2(unlike Garrus and Tali) she cannot die on the suicide mission.

So naturally they would put a bigger emphasis on her.