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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

No such thing as too much Liara.

[Ziggy]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

No such thing as too much Liara.

Exactly.

[bobito64]

 It is not possible to have too much Liara. 

[Golden Owl]

thehomeworld wrote...

I really liked how Liara was in 3 she was your confidant, your friend, and it makes complete sense this is the woman who first melded with you in ME to help you understand your visions, who got your body because she couldn't let you go because of her mental connection to you, she became the shadow broker for you, she made the black box that would tell the world about what you all did if you failed, Liara has done tons towards Shepard sure she went alittle crazy over the SB but after that she got her head on straight she cares for you it made perfect sense for her to keep caring, keep trying so you could stay sane. Shep literally has no one else to turn to friends only can handle so much and with them under their own stress they can't really share the burden with shep Liara touched his mind she is in a unique place to understand him like no one can.

Garrus did a wonderful job...my Shep (I) get a lot more from Garrus's pep talks than Liara's....in fact I honestly feel Garrus has a better understanding of manShep than Liara does....though I am female myself, i can understand the guy thing and feel Liara is just too mushy, whereas Garrus really nails it.

[ashwind]

You can say that there is no enough of other characters but nope, not too much Liara.

That is not possible

[Ryuukishi]

I agree, but I didn't mind it. ME3 made me like Liara more than I did in the previous games. I really felt like she was my Shepard's best friend.

[Unit-Alpha]

You can never have too much Liara...

[Golden Owl]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

I felt that Liara was being pushed on us too much as well; but then again, BioWare has been doing that since ME1. This is the reason I don't take her on any missions that I don't *have* to.

Please elaborate. How is Liara "pushed" on you? Sure she has some missions where she require to acompany you, but everyone does. You're not forced to buy or play LotSB and your not forced to talk to her outside of required-mission dialogue.

Why would Liara and a Shep who was a real b*stard to her hug when meeting again in ME2 and the 'love in dialog of both ME2 and ME3?....As for the mission numbers, Liara gets three (with Ashes DLC), all the others get one.

Oh, god no. Out of dozens of mission, I'm required to bring Liara twice? This is an outrage!

Three...plus an overload of cut scenes with her within the first couple of hours of the game...don't get snarly just because I am not as enamoured by the blue chick as you....keep it civil.

[Rogue Unit]

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

I felt that Liara was being pushed on us too much as well; but then again, BioWare has been doing that since ME1. This is the reason I don't take her on any missions that I don't *have* to.

Please elaborate. How is Liara "pushed" on you? Sure she has some missions where she require to acompany you, but everyone does. You're not forced to buy or play LotSB and your not forced to talk to her outside of required-mission dialogue.

Why would Liara and a Shep who was a real b*stard to her hug when meeting again in ME2 and the 'love in dialog of both ME2 and ME3?....As for the mission numbers, Liara gets three (with Ashes DLC), all the others get one.

Oh, god no. Out of dozens of mission, I'm required to bring Liara twice? This is an outrage!

Three...plus an overload of cut scenes with her within the first couple of hours of the game...don't get snarly just because I am not as enamoured by the blue chick as you....keep it civil.

Lol, then, by your logic Jacob was "pushed" on everyone in ME2.

[Golden Owl]

daftPirate wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Aside from the ending and MP enforcement to get the EMS up, I feel ME3 is a beautiful game...epic... But if there is one thing that really bugs me throughout the game itself, it's the over inclusion of Liara, I just felt dogged by her...she has the lions share of dialogs, lions share of enforced missions, lions share of essentiality, lions share of screen and Normandy time...I just felt she was on Sheps heels way too much with inclusion and cut scenes....Does anyone else feel this way?

100% Agreed. It was kinda like Ashley in my first playthrough of ME1. I'd wanted that Shepard to romance Miranda, but I was nice to Ashley one too many times, and Shep got raped. He didn't think that's what happened, but that's what happened.

Liara really only needed to involve herself for the Mars, Thessia and maybe Ardat-Yakshi Monestary missions, and maybe for the time capsule thing. Even that felt almost awkwardly romance-y.

edit: Ah, yes, the Ashes DLC as well, she really did need to be there for that one.

Yup, I learnt fast...DO NOT talk to Ash once you have turned Liara down!....Lesson learned the hard way....<_<.....that has been a vast improvement with ME3 in fact, no more ninjamancing......ME3 thankfully made all the LI's possibilities very clear in the make or break deal dialog.

[Golden Owl]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

I felt that Liara was being pushed on us too much as well; but then again, BioWare has been doing that since ME1. This is the reason I don't take her on any missions that I don't *have* to.

Please elaborate. How is Liara "pushed" on you? Sure she has some missions where she require to acompany you, but everyone does. You're not forced to buy or play LotSB and your not forced to talk to her outside of required-mission dialogue.

Why would Liara and a Shep who was a real b*stard to her hug when meeting again in ME2 and the 'love in dialog of both ME2 and ME3?....As for the mission numbers, Liara gets three (with Ashes DLC), all the others get one.

Oh, god no. Out of dozens of mission, I'm required to bring Liara twice? This is an outrage!

Three...plus an overload of cut scenes with her within the first couple of hours of the game...don't get snarly just because I am not as enamoured by the blue chick as you....keep it civil.

Lol, then, by your logic Jacob was "pushed" on everyone in ME2.

Actually that honor would more so go to Miranda in ME2.....I gather you play a femShep by your statement?...I play a manShep, so never had to deal with the Shep on heat with Jacob issue....but yes, that would really irritate me if I played a femShep.

[Dusk1976]

Liara did have the majority of cutscenes, though the only other initial choice is Vega. Williams/Alenko isn't available until after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel, and then, only if you don't put a bullet in her/his head. I'm trying to get a "Scorched Earth" ME2 run completed, where only Legion and Zaeed survive the Omega 4 Relay mission. I've had the ME3 experience where everyone survives. I want to see the flipside, and Liara would be one of the only ones left, since she didn't go on the mission with you.

[Rogue Unit]

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

I felt that Liara was being pushed on us too much as well; but then again, BioWare has been doing that since ME1. This is the reason I don't take her on any missions that I don't *have* to.

Please elaborate. How is Liara "pushed" on you? Sure she has some missions where she require to acompany you, but everyone does. You're not forced to buy or play LotSB and your not forced to talk to her outside of required-mission dialogue.

Why would Liara and a Shep who was a real b*stard to her hug when meeting again in ME2 and the 'love in dialog of both ME2 and ME3?....As for the mission numbers, Liara gets three (with Ashes DLC), all the others get one.

Oh, god no. Out of dozens of mission, I'm required to bring Liara twice? This is an outrage!

Three...plus an overload of cut scenes with her within the first couple of hours of the game...don't get snarly just because I am not as enamoured by the blue chick as you....keep it civil.

Lol, then, by your logic Jacob was "pushed" on everyone in ME2.

Actually that honor would more so go to Miranda in ME2.....I gather you play a femShep by your statement?...I play a manShep, so never had to deal with the Shep on heat with Jacob issue....but yes, that would really irritate me if I played a femShep.

Yet I never see any threads complaining about BioWare shoveling Jacob down their throats. He was required to acompany Shepard more than anybody else and got the most cut scene dialogue in ME2. People are just mad because Liara's role > Their favorite character's.

[AlexMBrennan]

Regardless of romance, Jacob and Miranda are complete strangers wearing enemy colours who killed Shep's squad on Akuze. Yet, rather than shooting them on sight and taking the only shuttle back to Alliance HQ, Shep immediately trusts them, Presumably, they wanted to avoid a similar situation in ME3.

[Malanek]

Dusk1976 wrote...

Liara did have the majority of cutscenes, though the only other initial choice is Vega. Williams/Alenko isn't available until after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel, and then, only if you don't put a bullet in her/his head. I'm trying to get a "Scorched Earth" ME2 run completed, where only Legion and Zaeed survive the Omega 4 Relay mission. I've had the ME3 experience where everyone survives. I want to see the flipside, and Liara would be one of the only ones left, since she didn't go on the mission with you.

If Garrus is dead from ME2, does Liara do all the Palavn mission as well?

[ravene]

simple answer yea there was to much liara in mass effect and not enough of the other chars but then again i expected it since she got her own comic as well as dlc, and other chars got zip.

And they dont even let you ingore her if you dont like her char she is shoved on you to much wich makes it verry hard to like anything about her char in one she was ok after that her char was pushed way to hard on the series.

I know there are alot of people that like her but for myself they took what could have been a good suport char and ruined her trying to make her to importain to the plot. mass effect is soposed to be sheps story not sheps and liara's.

Modifié par ravene, 20 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[VirtualSoldier27]

Malanek999 wrote...

Dusk1976 wrote...

Liara did have the majority of cutscenes, though the only other initial choice is Vega. Williams/Alenko isn't available until after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel, and then, only if you don't put a bullet in her/his head. I'm trying to get a "Scorched Earth" ME2 run completed, where only Legion and Zaeed survive the Omega 4 Relay mission. I've had the ME3 experience where everyone survives. I want to see the flipside, and Liara would be one of the only ones left, since she didn't go on the mission with you.

If Garrus is dead from ME2, does Liara do all the Palavn mission as well?

yes, her and Vega are youre only 2 choices since Ashley is still in the hospital

[nighthawk132651]

Golden Owl wrote...

Aside from the ending and MP enforcement to get the EMS up, I feel ME3 is a beautiful game...epic... But if there is one thing that really bugs me throughout the game itself, it's the over inclusion of Liara, I just felt dogged by her...she has the lions share of dialogs, lions share of enforced missions, lions share of essentiality, lions share of screen and Normandy time...I just felt she was on Sheps heels way too much with inclusion and cut scenes....Does anyone else feel this way?

Dude never to much liara your crazy if ur complain about to MUCH liara can never have enough

[TudorWolf]

You can never have enough Liara!

[VirtualSoldier27]

I have always wondered, to all those that like Liara, what if Aria was a potential LI ?

[dgcatanisiri]

I think that the other characters didn't get enough time, while Liara is there from Mars, so practically the beginning of the game, and has, pretty much through the series, practically had Glyph floating behind her flashing the words 'Shepard, you should totally embrace eternity with her.' I like her fine enough, but I feel like I'm fighting with the game (and not just ME3) to NOT romance her. I just don't like her in that way, and yet it seems like the game is trying to shove us together, and trying to make me feel guilty for not - remember that sad look she gets when Shepard goes to help up the other party member in LotSB instead of embracing her? That felt like the game telling me 'don't you feel bad for not romancing her now? You broke her heart.' So I wouldn't mind having a little less of Liara and a little more of the other characters.

And it really seems off balance if you've romanced Ash or Kaidan, because they don't feel like they're really essential to things in ME3, even being capable of being turned down to rejoining the Normandy crew, while Liara has no points where she can leave Shepard. Yes, it's in character for her to be loyal to the end, yes, it's up to the player to decide if Ash/Kaidan don't come back to the Normandy crew, but it's still an option to kick them off while there is not one for her.

[tishyw]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Yet I never see any threads complaining about BioWare shoveling Jacob down their throats. He was required to acompany Shepard more than anybody else and got the most cut scene dialogue in ME2. People are just mad because Liara's role > Their favorite character's.

Which missions was Jacob required for other than his loyalty mission and Freedom's Progress?  By that logic you can definately say the same thing about Miranda.

The first think I did in ME2 after Freedoms Progess was go and get Zaeed and then he, MIranda and i went and got Garrus.  After that it was Zaeed and Garrus until I got others that I wanted to use.

[Golden Owl]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

I felt that Liara was being pushed on us too much as well; but then again, BioWare has been doing that since ME1. This is the reason I don't take her on any missions that I don't *have* to.

Please elaborate. How is Liara "pushed" on you? Sure she has some missions where she require to acompany you, but everyone does. You're not forced to buy or play LotSB and your not forced to talk to her outside of required-mission dialogue.

Why would Liara and a Shep who was a real b*stard to her hug when meeting again in ME2 and the 'love in dialog of both ME2 and ME3?....As for the mission numbers, Liara gets three (with Ashes DLC), all the others get one.

Oh, god no. Out of dozens of mission, I'm required to bring Liara twice? This is an outrage!

Three...plus an overload of cut scenes with her within the first couple of hours of the game...don't get snarly just because I am not as enamoured by the blue chick as you....keep it civil.

Lol, then, by your logic Jacob was "pushed" on everyone in ME2.

Actually that honor would more so go to Miranda in ME2.....I gather you play a femShep by your statement?...I play a manShep, so never had to deal with the Shep on heat with Jacob issue....but yes, that would really irritate me if I played a femShep.

Yet I never see any threads complaining about BioWare shoveling Jacob down their throats. He was required to acompany Shepard more than anybody else and got the most cut scene dialogue in ME2. People are just mad because Liara's role > Their favorite character's.

Jacob had same number as Miranda....and yes, I felt them being shoved down my throat, more so Miranda with me and yes, I i fact did post a thread examining her....As for favorite characters, you are once again being unnecessarily snarly...though I know some people feel they do not get enough of Garrus, I have been more than satisfied with his inclusion in ME3 myself...you are making assumptions and accusations with no information to back your claim.

[Fenrisfil]

Golden Owl wrote...

Aside from the ending and MP enforcement to get the EMS up, I feel ME3 is a beautiful game...epic... But if there is one thing that really bugs me throughout the game itself, it's the over inclusion of Liara, I just felt dogged by her...she has the lions share of dialogs, lions share of enforced missions, lions share of essentiality, lions share of screen and Normandy time...I just felt she was on Sheps heels way too much with inclusion and cut scenes....Does anyone else feel this way?

Initially, yes. But after a while I concluded that it was partially because if you have a different LI you don't get to hook up for a potentially long time in ME3 and partially because of her personality. That is, now she's over her youthful innocence/shyness of ME1, she's a very expressive and emotional person and the writing plays up to this a lot. As Shadow Broker, she's also a key resource outside of missions. So I don't mind. I would prefer it if other characters got as much screen time (especially other LIs), but I don't begrudge her the time she got. Actually, several times I went to her room and was disapointed to just get the "Hello Shepard" line, but she had grown on me considerably by then.

I think if you don't really like her personality, there is probably not much you can do to get away from her. Though taking Javik with you to her homeworld may cheer you up a bit.

Modifié par Fenrisfil, 20 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[Malanek]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Dusk1976 wrote...

Liara did have the majority of cutscenes, though the only other initial choice is Vega. Williams/Alenko isn't available until after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel, and then, only if you don't put a bullet in her/his head. I'm trying to get a "Scorched Earth" ME2 run completed, where only Legion and Zaeed survive the Omega 4 Relay mission. I've had the ME3 experience where everyone survives. I want to see the flipside, and Liara would be one of the only ones left, since she didn't go on the mission with you.

If Garrus is dead from ME2, does Liara do all the Palavn mission as well?

yes, her and Vega are youre only 2 choices since Ashley is still in the hospital

What I was getting at is if Garrus is alive you can't choose Liara. Does she become available if Garrus is dead?