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[Tietj]

For the people who say that it isn't the "best" ending: besides missing the point, the very existence of the extra scene proves that Shepard has just been lied to by the... uh, character he was just talking to, or at least misled to believe that something would happen that didn't happen. Trying not to be spoilery is hard, but basically the character makes an offhand comment that makes it seem like the extra scene is impossible. Therefore, since I think that character is full of crap and the extra scene proves it to me, in my opinion it is the "best ending."

[Lunatic LK47]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Exactly how long does it take for Bioware to verify/respond to the fact that they were either wrong or lied that you could get the optimal ending in a single playthrough of the main campaign and update their official boards?

Good question. Gamble is too busy having his thumb up his ass.

[AlanC9]

Tietj wrote...

For the people who say that it isn't the "best" ending: besides missing the point, the very existence of the extra scene proves that Shepard has just been lied to by the... uh, character he was just talking to, or at least misled to believe that something would happen that didn't happen.

Saying that a statement that is literally true isn't a "lie" is hardly missing the point. If you want to accuse other people of lying, your own accusations need to be true themselves. Really, is it that hard to call Lee's post misleading rather than an outright lie?

But I absolutely agree that the EMS 4000 ending is incoherent with the situation as presented. It should be patched out of the game. 

Modifié par AlanC9, 27 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Have to agree, misinformation for the sake of misinformation makes me sad face.

[Tietj]

@AlanC9 I wasn't talking about Jarrett Lee's post, I was talking about a character in the game lying. No idea where you got that out of my post.

[tishyw]

Well I managed to finish a single-player game with 6152 EMS and no multi-player - I just had to mod my save game to do it!
Seriously Bioware, your continued silence on this issue is not doing you or your fans justice.

[BeefoTheBold]

tishyw wrote...

Well I managed to finish a single-player game with 6152 EMS and no multi-player - I just had to mod my save game to do it!
Seriously Bioware, your continued silence on this issue is not doing you or your fans justice.

Quoted for god damned truth.

It is not possible to get the "optimal" (and I use that word incredibly loosely) ending to this game through the singleplayer campaign alone.

A player simply cannot get 4000 EMS needed in a single playthrough of the military campaign.

This makes the MP, or the rediculous facebook/Iphone/Insert idiotic gimmick here piece ****ing MANDATORY.

This is a blatant and outright lie of what we were told, which is that you can get the optimal ending via the SP campaign alone. The longer it takes to own up the worse it is. Truth will set you free and all that, blah, blah.

Stop the damage control BS and just, for once since your EA aquisition, be open and honest with the section of your fanbase devoted and caring enough to spend hours posting on this message board.

I want to believe that ANYONE out there connected to the Bioware fanbase actually give's a rat's hindparts about your PR and the trust of your customers, but it's becoming increasingly impossible to do so.

[Lunatic LK47]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

tishyw wrote...

Well I managed to finish a single-player game with 6152 EMS and no multi-player - I just had to mod my save game to do it!
Seriously Bioware, your continued silence on this issue is not doing you or your fans justice.

Quoted for god damned truth.

It is not possible to get the "optimal" (and I use that word incredibly loosely) ending to this game through the singleplayer campaign alone.

A player simply cannot get 4000 EMS needed in a single playthrough of the military campaign.

This makes the MP, or the rediculous facebook/Iphone/Insert idiotic gimmick here piece ****ing MANDATORY.

This is a blatant and outright lie of what we were told, which is that you can get the optimal ending via the SP campaign alone. The longer it takes to own up the worse it is. Truth will set you free and all that, blah, blah.

Stop the damage control BS and just, for once since your EA aquisition, be open and honest with the section of your fanbase devoted and caring enough to spend hours posting on this message board.

I want to believe that ANYONE out there connected to the Bioware fanbase actually give's a rat's hindparts about your PR and the trust of your customers, but it's becoming increasingly impossible to do so.

As it is, only Merizan is doing her damndest to make sure we're heard on this. The others, not so much.

[Jaulen]

I replayed through a second time, JUST to see if I took the 'optimal war asset' choice in every encounter, how close I could get to that 4000 EMS...only got to 3380. Don't feel like running Paragon Shep through the 3rd game atm.

Well at least i now have a cleaner house, reorganized my jewelry making area, and started writing a story outline.

Maybe it's time to make some Marauder Shields sugar cookies tomorrow night.

[Jaulen]

Awwww that was awesome! Too bad I couldn't get in on it. I tried to take a couple days of forum-leave to try to let my ire and sadness over ME3 die down.

[Lunatic LK47]

Bumping.

[Darth Wolfenbarg]

You can easily get all three endings with no tampering or multiplayer at all. The 4000 EMS addition to one of the endings is just a bonus, it isn't so important that it should have absolutely been included. Unless certain ending theories are true, of course.

[devil_foetus]

I have to agree its inaccurate.

[Lunatic LK47]

Darth Wolfenbarg wrote...

You can easily get all three endings with no tampering or multiplayer at all. The 4000 EMS addition to one of the endings is just a bonus, it isn't so important that it should have absolutely been included. Unless certain ending theories are true, of course.

Except Shepard's survival REQUIRES multiplayer.

[KBomb]

Darth Wolfenbarg wrote...

You can easily get all three endings with no tampering or multiplayer at all. The 4000 EMS addition to one of the endings is just a bonus, it isn't so important that it should have absolutely been included. Unless certain ending theories are true, of course.

 
Well, a lot of cut scenes aren't important. A lot of the bits of dialogue isn't important. The love scenes aren't important. Banter between squad members isn't important. However, it adds something to the game. It adds to the experience.


Some people on here tend to have the mindset of, “Why is this such a big deal! Watch it on youtube!” (not talking about you, but lots of people have said this.)


Ugh, that is so asinine. I don't want to watch it on youtube, I want to watch it in the freaking game, the one that I purchased. How can Shepard taking a breath of life at the end, especially after that dumb kid told him he'd die if he chose to destroy it not be important? It's important to me. It's important to others.


Point is, something like that should not be tied to MP, nothing in the single player game should be tied into MP. Especially since they stated that MP would not take any experience away from us in SP. The exact phrase they used in an interview was, “It's optional. There's nothing walled off to you because you didn't play multiplayer.” That is a lie. They should answer to it.

[Kub666]

Darth Wolfenbarg wrote...

You can easily get all three endings with no tampering or multiplayer at all. The 4000 EMS addition to one of the endings is just a bonus, it isn't so important that it should have absolutely been included. Unless certain ending theories are true, of course.

Why would Bioware want only MP players to see this short scene? This like a big "screw you" message to SP only guys.

[bluewolv1970]

agreed

[AlexMBrennan]

Bioware clearly thinks that it is perfectly OK to lie in interviews and such, so should this be handled any differently?

[Salfin]

My war assets were 6k + without factoring in the small boost you get from multiplayer. O.o

The boost from MP looked like a few hundred EMS, and the Vanguard I promoted from MP turned into just 75 EMS.

Is there some other factor from multiplayer boosting my EMS that I'm not aware of?

Modifié par Salfin, 27 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[Lee T]

Salfin wrote...

My war assets were 6k + without factoring in the small boost you get from multiplayer. O.o

The boost from MP looked like a few hundred EMS, and the Vanguard I promoted from MP turned into just 75 EMS.

Is there some other factor from multiplayer boosting my EMS that I'm not aware of?

(war assets) x (galactic readiness) = EMS

It's the EMS that need to reach 4k/5k to gain access to the deep breath scene. Unless Bioware proves us wrong it seems you can't reach that without multiplayer as is.

[Salfin]

Lee T wrote...

Salfin wrote...

My war assets were 6k + without factoring in the small boost you get from multiplayer. O.o

The boost from MP looked like a few hundred EMS, and the Vanguard I promoted from MP turned into just 75 EMS.

Is there some other factor from multiplayer boosting my EMS that I'm not aware of?

(war assets) x (galactic readiness) = EMS

It's the EMS that need to reach 4k/5k to gain access to the deep breath scene. Unless Bioware proves us wrong it seems you can't reach that without multiplayer as is.

Sorry I mispoke (mistyped?) I meant to say EMS when I said assets.

I just loaded up my pre-end game save. I've got an EMS of 6431. My galactic readiness is at 97% ( I do enjoy the MP) making my Total Military Strength  6630.

So it looks like MP galactic readiness is modifying my EMS by only 199.

Looking at my war assets I have 150 EMS  from promoting 2 classes in multiplayer.

So with all the MP bonuses removed I still have an EMS of 6281.

Which says to me that MP is not required.


Is there some other factor which I am just not getting?

Modifié par Salfin, 27 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[AkiKishi]

Salfin wrote...

Lee T wrote...

Salfin wrote...

My war assets were 6k + without factoring in the small boost you get from multiplayer. O.o

The boost from MP looked like a few hundred EMS, and the Vanguard I promoted from MP turned into just 75 EMS.

Is there some other factor from multiplayer boosting my EMS that I'm not aware of?

(war assets) x (galactic readiness) = EMS

It's the EMS that need to reach 4k/5k to gain access to the deep breath scene. Unless Bioware proves us wrong it seems you can't reach that without multiplayer as is.

Sorry I mispoke (mistyped?) I meant to say EMS when I said assets.

I just loaded up my pre-end game save. I've got an EMS of 6431. My galactic readiness is at 97% ( I do enjoy the MP) making my Total Military Strength  6630.

So it looks like MP galactic readiness is modifying my EMS by only 199.

Looking at my war assets I have 150 EMS  from promoting 2 classes in multiplayer.

So with all the MP bonuses removed I still have an EMS of 6281.

Which says to me that MP is not required.


Is there some other factor which I am just not getting?

97% is a 47% increase(almost double) of what you can ge from just playing SP which is locked at 50%.

[Salfin]

97% is a 47% increase(almost double) of what you can ge from just playing SP which is locked at 50%.

Okay interesting, that's not how I thought it worked. I guess they could have done a better job of explaining the system. Thank you.

That said, the MP is really enjoyable. And I really don't play many MP shooters, or shooters at all really. I can understand if some people don't like it, and while I like the idea that it can give bonuses to the main story I don't think it should be required either.

Modifié par Salfin, 27 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[AkiKishi]

Salfin wrote...

97% is a 47% increase(almost double) of what you can ge from just playing SP which is locked at 50%.

Okay interesting, that's not how I thought it worked. I guess they could have done a better job of explaining the system. Thank you.

That said, the MP is really enjoyable. And I really don't play many MP shooters, or shooters at all really. I can understand if some people don't like it, and while I like the idea that it can give bonuses to the main story I don't think it should be required either.

I think the major problems with it are that not everyone even has the option. XBL costs money , mines not even connected to the net only my PS3/PC/Wii.

Linking MP/SP was a bad idea, as was making planet scanning mandatory by linking it to the ending.