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[HiroVoid]

Kavatica wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

I wouldn't want to force Anora to have to deal with Alistair for the rest of her life. That's not even getting to the fact that I don't think she'd want to be married to someone who looks like Cailan for the rest of her life.

Ironically, if Anora is married to Alistair and he is hardened then they both become beloved monarchs. 

But seriously...the woman builds a statue of Loghain. Ugh. Even if he isn't redeemed. 

Well, he was one of the main reasons for the freedom of Ferelden from Orlais.  I'm surprised he didn't already have a statue.

As for the vying for control....technically, no.  The warden disappears, so Anora would still be ruling alone in that world just as Alistair would be doing.  Also, the epilogue assumes what type of warden you have.

[Clover Rider]

HiroVoid wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

I wouldn't want to force Anora to have to deal with Alistair for the rest of her life. That's not even getting to the fact that I don't think she'd want to be married to someone who looks like Cailan for the rest of her life.

Ironically, if Anora is married to Alistair and he is hardened then they both become beloved monarchs. 

But seriously...the woman builds a statue of Loghain. Ugh. Even if he isn't redeemed. 

Well, he was one of the main reasons for the freedom of Ferelden from Orlais.  I'm surprised he didn't already have a statue.

As for the vying for control....technically, no.  The warden disappears, so Anora would still be ruling alone in that world just as Alistair would be doing.  Also, the epilogue assumes what type of warden you have.

How dare the epilogue assume what type of person I/my warden am!

[Kavatica]

Some Geth wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

I wouldn't want to force Anora to have to deal with Alistair for the rest of her life. That's not even getting to the fact that I don't think she'd want to be married to someone who looks like Cailan for the rest of her life.

Ironically, if Anora is married to Alistair and he is hardened then they both become beloved monarchs. 

But seriously...the woman builds a statue of Loghain. Ugh. Even if he isn't redeemed. 

Well, he was one of the main reasons for the freedom of Ferelden from Orlais.  I'm surprised he didn't already have a statue.

As for the vying for control....technically, no.  The warden disappears, so Anora would still be ruling alone in that world just as Alistair would be doing.  Also, the epilogue assumes what type of warden you have.

How dare the epilogue assume what type of person I/my warden am!

Haha, I know the feeling. 

[Kavatica]

HiroVoid wrote...

Well, he was one of the main reasons for the freedom of Ferelden from Orlais.  I'm surprised he didn't already have a statue.

As for the vying for control....technically, no.  The warden disappears, so Anora would still be ruling alone in that world just as Alistair would be doing.  Also, the epilogue assumes what type of warden you have.

Okay, I'm not going to argue that prior to the acts of DAO a statue may have been a good idea, but building a statue for him after what he did what he does in DAO if he hasn't been redeemed is just clueless, in my opinion. 

[Clover Rider]

Kavatica wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Well, he was one of the main reasons for the freedom of Ferelden from Orlais.  I'm surprised he didn't already have a statue.

As for the vying for control....technically, no.  The warden disappears, so Anora would still be ruling alone in that world just as Alistair would be doing.  Also, the epilogue assumes what type of warden you have.

Okay, I'm not going to argue that prior to the acts of DAO a statue may have been a good idea, but building a statue for him after what he did what he does in DAO if he hasn't been redeemed is just clueless, in my opinion. 

She has a high respect and love for her dad, even after all he has done.

Kind of cute in a dark way I guess.:innocent:

Modifié par Some Geth, 20 mars 2012 - 11:39 .

[Kavatica]

Some Geth wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Well, he was one of the main reasons for the freedom of Ferelden from Orlais.  I'm surprised he didn't already have a statue.

As for the vying for control....technically, no.  The warden disappears, so Anora would still be ruling alone in that world just as Alistair would be doing.  Also, the epilogue assumes what type of warden you have.

Okay, I'm not going to argue that prior to the acts of DAO a statue may have been a good idea, but building a statue for him after what he did what he does in DAO if he hasn't been redeemed is just clueless, in my opinion. 

She has a high respect and love for her dad, even after all he has done.

Kind of cute in a dark way I guess.:innocent:

It makes sense. But it doesn't make me like her. Mainly I just want to throttle her. I will admit that my opinion of her was tainted after my first playthrough when she stabbed me in the back. Twice. 

[Clover Rider]

Kavatica wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Well, he was one of the main reasons for the freedom of Ferelden from Orlais.  I'm surprised he didn't already have a statue.

As for the vying for control....technically, no.  The warden disappears, so Anora would still be ruling alone in that world just as Alistair would be doing.  Also, the epilogue assumes what type of warden you have.

Okay, I'm not going to argue that prior to the acts of DAO a statue may have been a good idea, but building a statue for him after what he did what he does in DAO if he hasn't been redeemed is just clueless, in my opinion. 

She has a high respect and love for her dad, even after all he has done.

Kind of cute in a dark way I guess.:innocent:

It makes sense. But it doesn't make me like her. Mainly I just want to throttle her. I will admit that my opinion of her was tainted after my first playthrough when she stabbed me in the back. Twice. 

My first playthrough all I saw her as was a smart better leader than well everyone else.

So I got no backstabs and the fact I could "hook up" with her was kind of cool so I did just that.

There is worse evil out there.

Modifié par Some Geth, 20 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[Kavatica]

Some Geth wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Well, he was one of the main reasons for the freedom of Ferelden from Orlais.  I'm surprised he didn't already have a statue.

As for the vying for control....technically, no.  The warden disappears, so Anora would still be ruling alone in that world just as Alistair would be doing.  Also, the epilogue assumes what type of warden you have.

Okay, I'm not going to argue that prior to the acts of DAO a statue may have been a good idea, but building a statue for him after what he did what he does in DAO if he hasn't been redeemed is just clueless, in my opinion. 

She has a high respect and love for her dad, even after all he has done.

Kind of cute in a dark way I guess.:innocent:

It makes sense. But it doesn't make me like her. Mainly I just want to throttle her. I will admit that my opinion of her was tainted after my first playthrough when she stabbed me in the back. Twice. 

My first playthrough all I saw her as was a smart better leader than well everyone else.

So I got no backstabs and the fact I could "hook up" with her was kind of cool so I did just that.

Anora over Leliana and Morrigan? Really? Well, to each their own I guess. The woman is pretty, I'll give you that. But from what I've seen, she just goes around treating everyone like crap. Which I do not equate with being a good leader. Kind of like King Bhelen...sure, things turn out better when he is in charge, but the guy is still a douchecanoe. 

[Clover Rider]

Kavatica wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Well, he was one of the main reasons for the freedom of Ferelden from Orlais.  I'm surprised he didn't already have a statue.

As for the vying for control....technically, no.  The warden disappears, so Anora would still be ruling alone in that world just as Alistair would be doing.  Also, the epilogue assumes what type of warden you have.

Okay, I'm not going to argue that prior to the acts of DAO a statue may have been a good idea, but building a statue for him after what he did what he does in DAO if he hasn't been redeemed is just clueless, in my opinion. 

She has a high respect and love for her dad, even after all he has done.

Kind of cute in a dark way I guess.:innocent:

It makes sense. But it doesn't make me like her. Mainly I just want to throttle her. I will admit that my opinion of her was tainted after my first playthrough when she stabbed me in the back. Twice. 

My first playthrough all I saw her as was a smart better leader than well everyone else.

So I got no backstabs and the fact I could "hook up" with her was kind of cool so I did just that.

Anora over Leliana and Morrigan? Really? Well, to each their own I guess. The woman is pretty, I'll give you that. But from what I've seen, she just goes around treating everyone like crap. Which I do not equate with being a good leader. Kind of like King Bhelen...sure, things turn out better when he is in charge, but the guy is still a douchecanoe. 

Well Leliana and Morrigan are more of my "type" I do also have a thing for women who know the game of politics and can play it well. Her eyes also get me everytime but then again so does Morrigan's.

And really she does not treat everyone bad...

Also sometimes you need a "jerk" as a good leader to sort things out until you get a "nice" good leader.

But since this is all one big fantasy story, I don't think the Dragon Age world is getting any democracy anytime soon so I will take what I can get.

Modifié par Some Geth, 21 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[haroldhardluck]

Kavatica wrote...

The only thing left that I can think of that you might not have done is answered correctly in the follow-up conversation that you have after telling Alistair that "everyone looks out for themselves, you should know that." If you didn't have the follow-up conversation with him where you confirmed your previous statement, then he won't be hardened.
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Did it all. The only thing left might be a high Cunning. Mages do not require much Cunning and I have generally not worried about making it past 16. Maybe I should.

Harold

[haroldhardluck]

thats1evildude wrote...

haroldhardluck wrote...

For me the perfect ending is for Alistair and Anora to marry and I got that ending once.

Why? For the love of the Maker, why?

The postscript for Alistair and Anora marrying inidcates that Ferelden prospered the most with that ending. Anora ruled while Alistair led and the result was a Golden Age for Ferelden.

Harold

[Kavatica]

haroldhardluck wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

haroldhardluck wrote...

For me the perfect ending is for Alistair and Anora to marry and I got that ending once.

Why? For the love of the Maker, why?

The postscript for Alistair and Anora marrying inidcates that Ferelden prospered the most with that ending. Anora ruled while Alistair led and the result was a Golden Age for Ferelden.

Harold

Although that sentence makes it seem all warm and fuzzy, I don't think the country fares any worse with Alistair ruling alone as King (especially if he is hardened), or if he married a Cousland as Queen Consort (in which case he is pretty much ruling alone anyways). And the epilogue slides are kind of mainly rumours anyways, right? But yeah, I get why a lot of people like this ending. I just...can't do it.

[Kavatica]

haroldhardluck wrote...

Kavatica wrote...

The only thing left that I can think of that you might not have done is answered correctly in the follow-up conversation that you have after telling Alistair that "everyone looks out for themselves, you should know that." If you didn't have the follow-up conversation with him where you confirmed your previous statement, then he won't be hardened.
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That is...strange. I wouldn't think that would matter at all. If you have lower cunning though, how do you have max persuasion? I thought they were tied together?

Did it all. The only thing left might be a high Cunning. Mages do not require much Cunning and I have generally not worried about making it past 16. Maybe I should.

Harold

[haroldhardluck]

Kavatica wrote...

Although that sentence makes it seem all warm and fuzzy, I don't think the country fares any worse with Alistair ruling alone as King (especially if he is hardened), or if he married a Cousland as Queen Consort (in which case he is pretty much ruling alone anyways). And the epilogue slides are kind of mainly rumours anyways, right? But yeah, I get why a lot of people like this ending. I just...can't do it.

The postscripts are not rumors but the consequences of what your PC did during the game. They are canonical for that play of the game.

The postscript for Alistair only say that he was a good king and did well but the Alistair/Anora postscrupt specifically says the pair ushered in a golden age. So the pairing of the two makes for a better future for Ferelden.

BTW after thinking about it, I do not have any specific memory of following up with Alistair after Goldana. So it is possible that the problem was Alistair was only "half harden". So I am going way back and trying to re-do that sequence to make sure I did the full sequence with Alistair.

Harold

[Kavatica]

haroldhardluck wrote...

The postscripts are not rumors but the consequences of what your PC did during the game. They are canonical for that play of the game.

The postscript for Alistair only say that he was a good king and did well but the Alistair/Anora postscrupt specifically says the pair ushered in a golden age. So the pairing of the two makes for a better future for Ferelden.

BTW after thinking about it, I do not have any specific memory of following up with Alistair after Goldana. So it is possible that the problem was Alistair was only "half harden". So I am going way back and trying to re-do that sequence to make sure I did the full sequence with Alistair.

Harold

I believe David Gaider actually stated somewhere in these forums that the epilogue slides are basically  heresay and rumour, which would make sense considering how certain characters can potentially come back from the dead in DA2. And in certain recently-released comics. But if you choose to think of the DA universe as stopping after DAO, then yes, I guess you would not see them as such.

That could be it, then. Click on him right after you have the original discussion and the follow-up discussion should come up.

[haroldhardluck]

Kavatica wrote...

I believe David Gaider actually stated somewhere in these forums that the epilogue slides are basically  heresay and rumour, which would make sense considering how certain characters can potentially come back from the dead in DA2. And in certain recently-released comics. But if you choose to think of the DA universe as stopping after DAO, then yes, I guess you would not see them as such.

In DA2 you can chose a variety of endings for DAO that the game will use. There are several endings provided for those who did not played DAO and you can use any of the games you played. So characters do not come back from the dead so much as they never died. When all you have are flags in a character file, the game developers have great freedom to make assumptions as to what happened in DAO.

In DA2 only the character file is needed but there is a final game save in DA2.The implication is much more details of what happened in DA2 will carry over to DA3. It looks like Bioware has come up with a way to handle all the multiple endings of Mass Effect 1 and 2 in Mass Effect 3. So it is very possible that this technology will be used in DA3. Hopefully the ending in DA3 will be better.

Harold

[Urzon]

Kavatica wrote...

Although that sentence makes it seem all warm and fuzzy, I don't think the country fares any worse with Alistair ruling alone as King (especially if he is hardened), or if he married a Cousland as Queen Consort (in which case he is pretty much ruling alone anyways). And the epilogue slides are kind of mainly rumours anyways, right? But yeah, I get why a lot of people like this ending. I just...can't do it.

They balance each other out political wise. Alistair nows what all the common folk go threw each day, and he understands their plights. Anora on the other hand is more of a "Do whats needs to be done" type. She may not fully understand the commoners, but she does enough to keep them happy. Her true strength is in that she knows how to deal with the nobles, something which Alistair (hardened or otherwise) lacks.

So they work best together. Alistair is most likely the "face" of the monarchy. He goes out and talks with the commoners, and he shows them that he (and Anora) listens to their concerns and cares for them. He also connects with the lords of the land, threw drinking and hunting i'd imagine. While Anora is more the "brains". She deals with all the backstage politics, the parties and socializing, the paperwork, and the appointing of the different key positions in the kingdom.

At least thats how i always saw it...

Modifié par Urzon, 23 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[AnImpossibleGirl]

thats1evildude wrote...

haroldhardluck wrote...

For me the perfect ending is for Alistair and Anora to marry and I got that ending once.

Why? For the love of the Maker, why?

Anora makes it perfectly clear that she does not like Alistair, even a little. You're forcing him into a horrible marriage with one of the most aggravating people in all of Thedas. Hell, letting him commit suicide-by-Archdemon is more merciful.

Thank you. You are turning the poor man into his father. Who was my all means a broken man by the end. Show some mercy. Let Anora rule alone. Or Ali rule alone. Pull a fan girl/boy and marry one of them. I would feed him to Archedemon first. Maybe politically it works...but gee, he is been through enough.

[Lazy Jer]

Poshible wrote...

Thank you. You are turning the poor man into his father. Who was my all means a broken man by the end. Show some mercy. Let Anora rule alone. Or Ali rule alone. Pull a fan girl/boy and marry one of them. I would feed him to Archedemon first. Maybe politically it works...but gee, he is been through enough.

She's not that bad.

[haroldhardluck]

Lazy Jer wrote...
She's not that bad.

Anora is not bad at all. She is simply a woman who will not defer to a man just because he is a man. Cailan was a man who thought that everyone should defer to him because he was the king. The Cailan we see at Ostagar was cocky and clearly was not interested in advice from anyone. Alistair is a more deferential man and the two would have gotten along much better.

Harold

[AnImpossibleGirl]

Hmmm, for him she is that bad. Simply because he would have turned into Maric--which is tragic.He is my favorite companion of any Bioware game. Including Mass Effect, including Baldurs Gate.
Anora ruled while Cailan played king. Cailan was a child pretending to be a man. Being said, even Cailan was off cheating on her with Celine. Anora is suitable to rule on her own, as is Alistair. She is strong, and I would expect no less. I adore her father (not in the game, but the books). But pitted together Alistair would be unhappy; as Maric was. Knowing his wife's love is with another man--his brother at that. Even if they grew to love each other in the same way that Maric/Rowan did it would never amount to happiness. Anora would be unhappy because Alistair will never amount to Loghain in her eyes, and he would always torture her memory of Cailan...
Clearly, bad decision for personal reasons, but for Ferelden it would work. 
BUT, if you marry them and your PC is a fem warden Ali dissapears with her after Awakening.

So...

Modifié par Poshible, 06 avril 2012 - 04:29 .

[Dessalines]

The perfect ending is have Alistair executed, keep Loghain alive, and marry Anorna. It is a win win for your character, and the look of Alistair 's face as you betray him, and he gets drag off.....it is priceless. I

Modifié par Dessalines, 08 avril 2012 - 07:18 .

[TEWR]

thats1evildude wrote...

haroldhardluck wrote...

For me the perfect ending is for Alistair and Anora to marry and I got that ending once.

Why? For the love of the Maker, why?

Anora makes it perfectly clear that she does not like Alistair, even a little. You're forcing him into a horrible marriage with one of the most aggravating people in all of Thedas. Hell, letting him commit suicide-by-Archdemon is more merciful.

Anora's smart, capable, willing to rule alongside Alistair, and helps him to become a capable ruler in his own right. She even admits in the endgame that Alistair is a good man and while she doesn't really care for his jokes, she thinks that he'll be a good ruler because he shows an inclination to want to learn how to be a good ruler -- if hardened.

She also says that his personality reminds her of Cailan, which is a good thing in and of itself. Not the whole "Idealism = happy endings galore!", but just how he'll respond to things.

Not to mention that while Alistair is away searching for Maric, it would be prudent to have the country in the hands of someone that can make Ferelden stronger.

Arl Eamon -- one of the most politically capable people of Ferelden -- even says that the marriage is the best thing for Ferelden. He says that Anora's leadership qualities and Alistair's bloodline would be the best thing for the country -- and as we know, the pairing is amplified when Alistair says he wants to learn how to govern.

[Walksstraight]

Marrying a dead siblings spouse is standard for Royaly to keep alliances. Just saying.

[Silfren]

Playing a Mage Warden female, I was able to get Alistair to marry Anora WITHOUT bringing it up to both of them in Arl Eamon's estate.

I hardened Alistair, was at 100 approval (love in this case), had high coercion, and killed Loghain myself. I was able to get them to marry by choosing that persuade option when asked to choose during the Landsmeet.

Couldn't a male Warden do this as well? I don't see anything really different about the two scenarios: Have the male PC harden Alistair, make sure someone other than Alistair kills Loghain, and (with both high approval and a high coercion skill) persuade them to marry during the Landsmeet.

Based on my experience I don't think it is necessary to bring up the option at Eamon's estate so long as those other conditions are met.