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[Pkxm]

I don't understand why people insist it has to be free. Just because the last 10 minutes of the game sucked doesn't mean your 60 or 80 bucks was wasted. We got 30 to 40 or more hours of gameplay that was AWESOME..its the last 10 mins or so that is a total letdown. And that's what sucks the most. How could the last bit of the game go so sideways when everything else about it has been so great?

The "entitled" accusations are true about those who insist on free DLC to make up for this. Paid would not be a bad thing, and in fact it is probably necessary if you want an ending that does not suck. EA will not spend development money on new content and give it away. Fixing some bugs, yeah maybe. But not actual content.

Again, if Bioware came out eventually with a DLC that continued with the current ending being a hallucination it would totally make everything right and worth the money, and the bad "ending" would go from being crap to pure genius

Modifié par Jsxdf, 20 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[FlyinElk212]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

You're going to apologize to them because they released an incomplete game and planned to sell the ending as DLC?

Do you have some form of Stockholmes?

No, I have an appreciation for a company attempting an incredibly risky move to achieve a monumental videogaming accomplishment (breaking the 4th wall to see if the player themselves can resist Indoctrination and still choose Destroy the Reapers, and rewarding them with extra content).

Besides, I'd be lying if I said I wouldnt buy Ending DLC out of principle.

[SirCrimz]

I doubt that they had this planned. Last night there was a misinformed(of the situation of the fan outcry) staff member running facebook/twitter and said something about not having any plans to change the ending.

[intersect]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

I mean us, the gaming community, needs to apologize, not Bioware. Good point, that's not really clear in my post.

And yeah, wouldn't they be? Intentionally breaking the 4th wall to see if the player themselves can resist Indoctrination (still choose Destroy ending) would be a stroke of brilliance.

Editing OP for clarity.

THIS, while I think Shepard was partially influenced by indoctrination (shooting Anderson), I don't believe it was all a hallucination. Shepard was really about to destroy the reapers with the Crucible and the "starchild" was either Harbinger or the Reapers last ditch effort to persuade Shepard and through him, the players themselves to spare the reapers. Hence the only good ending (shep living) is resisting and still destorying them.  The relays really were destroyed, but couldn't have exploded like the Batarian relay for obvious reasons so either they just came apart or all the energy of the destruction was channeled into propagation of whatever signal you chose to send out through the crucible. All ships still have FTL drives so no one is totally cut off, just travel is now much slower. However, this is my personal interperetation of the ending, and thus my opinion.  Other's opinions and interperetations are equally valid.

That said, I wouldnt think the SocialNet would need to apologize if this is indeed the case, I mean, if they pulled this stunt on purpose they have to be prepared to... reap... the consequential fan response. (sorry, couldn't resist)

However, either way, whatever theory is correct, I would like some more closure Bioware, please.

Modifié par intersect, 20 mars 2012 - 03:25 .

[TonViper]

Zenny Merc wrote...

Starschwar wrote...

No thread needed. A free improved ending DLC is apology enough.

As far as I'm aware the only people who could get it free would be PC players. Those who own a 360 (maybe PS3 don't know for sure, since I don't have one.) would have to pay for it.

Why would that be? If they release it as a patch, everyone would get it automatically.

[noobcannon]

SirCrimz wrote...

I doubt that they had this planned. Last night there was a misinformed(of the situation of the fan outcry) staff member running facebook/twitter and said something about not having any plans to change the ending.

maybe they arent changing the ending, because technically the game hasn't ended yet....... duhn duhn DUHN.....

Modifié par noobcannon, 20 mars 2012 - 03:26 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

Jsxdf wrote...

I don't understand why people insist it has to be free. Just because the last 10 minutes of the game sucked doesn't mean your 60 or 80 bucks was wasted. We got 30 to 40 or more hours of gameplay that was AWESOME..its the last 10 mins or so that is a total letdown. And that's what sucks the most. How could the last bit of the game go so sideways when everything else about it has been so great?

The "entitled" accusations are true about those who insist on free DLC to make up for this. Paid would not be a bad thing, and in fact it is probably necessary if you want an ending that does not suck. EA will not spend development money on new content and give it away. Fixing some bugs, yeah maybe. But not actual content.

Again, if Bioware came out eventually with a DLC that continued with the current ending being a hallucination it would totally make everything right and worth the money, and the bad "ending" would go from being crap to pure genius

So to get this straight.

A)IF Bioware planned this all along and it's some stupid "prank", that means they purposely sold us a game with no ending.

If A is true, then they must already have the "true" ending DLC in the pipeline, or finished and waiting to go.

So you're telling me you're perfectly OK with buying games with no ending, and then having to pay $10 extra at a later date in order to complete the game you paid $80 for already? That's what you're saying?

[J-Sheridan]

Its far easier to believe in Bioware stupidity than the idea they are some grand conspiracy planners. They have attempted to defend the ending just a LITTLE too hard and been unnable to respond with anything more than... we will listen to your feedback.

[Giguelingueling]

Yeah
1) the endings suck for real, we really should stop thinking bioware couldn't fail that hard. THEY FAILED THAT HARD

2) I would not apology because they make me purchase an incomplete game

[jkflipflopDAO]

J-Sheridan wrote...

Its far easier to believe in Bioware stupidity than the idea they are some grand conspiracy planners. They have attempted to defend the ending just a LITTLE too hard and been unnable to respond with anything more than... we will listen to your feedback.

Reminds me of Legion. 

No data available. 

[Alraiis]

If the Indoctrination Theory was intended all along, then they would have delivered the payoff during the course of the game, not afterward. A delay gains them nothing but ire from fans who expected a complete story.

[Ultra Prism]

I am willing to apologize immediately, if ending is given in proper Mass Effect manner ...

[pharsti]

There is no indoctrination, and there is no dlc ending, at least, not planned.

[FlyinElk212]

intersect wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

 Intentionally breaking the 4th wall to see if the player themselves can resist Indoctrination (still choose Destroy ending) would be a stroke of brilliance.

THIS, while I think Shepard was partially influenced by indoctrination (shooting Anderson), I don't believe it was all a hallucination. Shepard was really about to destroy the reapers with the Crucible and the "starchild" was either Harbinger or the Reapers last ditch effort to persuade Shepard and through him, the players themselves to spare the reapers. Hence the only good ending (shep living) is resisting and still destorying them. 

That said, I wouldnt think the SocialNet would need to apologize if this is indeed the case, I mean, if they pulled this stunt on purpose they have to be prepared to... reap... the consequential fan response. (sorry, couldn't resist)

Lol! Ohh, you!

[GamerrangerX]

i doubt it,this is the true ending

[Quietness]

You do realize that they stated yesterday they had no plans for endgame DLC meaning that Indoc was never real. They did retcon the "no ending dlc" but that does not subtract from the point.

[FlyinElk212]

noobcannon wrote...

SirCrimz wrote...

I doubt that they had this planned. Last night there was a misinformed(of the situation of the fan outcry) staff member running facebook/twitter and said something about not having any plans to change the ending.

maybe they arent changing the ending, because technically the game hasn't ended yet....... duhn duhn DUHN.....

Damnit! Your username is so unfortunate, because my ridiculously optimistic thoughts exactly!

[Rogue Unit]

**** that. Bioware owes us an apology, DLC or not, for outright lying about the features of the game and the necessity of MP.

[Alamar2078]

I don't honestly believe it was intentional. I just think some artists lost touch with consumers ... at least that's my hope.

Even if we assume this was planned with all the uproar the PR guys and probably even BW legal would NEVER let BW admit this is the case.

Time will tell.

[intersect]

Quietness wrote...

You do realize that they stated yesterday they had no plans for endgame DLC meaning that Indoc was never real. They did retcon the "no ending dlc" but that does not subtract from the point.

No dlc does not preclude all theoriesof indoc, just the "it was all a hallucination" ones.  That said, closure needed in all cases!!!

[SaltyWaffles-PD]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

 ^^^^^^^

Saving this spot on the off chance it's true. Here's hoping!

Make me proud, Bioware. Make yourselves proud.

EDIT: To clarify, the thread would be for BSN to apologize to Bioware, not the other way around. Though them jumping in to apologize for the deception would be a nice touch.

Except that it's literally proven from multiple independent sources that the ending we got was intended to be the actual ending.

But even assuming that BW DID plan some kind of additional ending, I would never apologize for this. Not in a million years. They deserved every bit of flame they got, because the damage they did doesn't just go away, at least not all of it. And think about it--they deliberately sold us an incomplete game, just so they could charge us for DLC to give us the actual ending they repeatedly promised for months?

No, no apology at all.

[FlyinElk212]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Even if we assume this was planned with all the uproar the PR guys and probably even BW legal would NEVER let BW admit this is the case.

Time will tell.

Agreed, if it was the case, it would be interesting to see what he PR gurus would wanna go for- "We at Bioware changed the ending for you guys, because we listen to you and care" or "This was planned from the beginning. Did YOU the player resist Indoctrination, and still choose to Destroy the Reapers despite there being an 'ending' for all 3 choices?"

[sadako]

No, they need not apologize if they planned it.
They should if the final hours app weren't lying and that they actually thought that idea they wrote on paper was a good idea.

[intersect]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

Even if we assume this was planned with all the uproar the PR guys and probably even BW legal would NEVER let BW admit this is the case.

Time will tell.

Agreed, if it was the case, it would be interesting to see what he PR gurus would wanna go for- "We at Bioware changed the ending for you guys, because we listen to you and care" or "This was planned from the beginning. Did YOU the player resist Indoctrination, and still choose to Destroy the Reapers despite there being an 'ending' for all 3 choices?"

Either way, somebody made a HUGE miscalculation in predicting the scale of fan backlash.

[KillerHappyFace]

If the Indoc Theory is right, I don't think anyone should apologize. Not us, not Bioware.

Bio shouldn't have to apologize for probably the greatest PR feat in gaming history. We shouldn't have to apologize because this uproar would be exactly what Bio intended.

Modifié par KillerHappyFace, 20 mars 2012 - 03:46 .