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[suusuuu]

Hah... good one...

[ThatDancingTurian]

Er, how would giving us an unfinished game for full-game price and then charging us extra for the ending warrant any sort of apology? Aside from an apology from them for the massively underhanded cash-grab, that is.

I hate this indoctrination theory. It's basically saying that BioWare sold us a story with the last page torn out.

[Arlind Webb]

Jsxdf wrote...

If you are saying Bioware would be the ones needing to apologize, no. Those getting incredibly nasty about the endings to the point of FTC and BBB reporting, yeah they should be apologizing.

If this ending isn't the real ending (planned all along) then Bioware are gods of game development.

Exactly how I feel... people are going nuts, me included, but instead of trying to voice their opinion in a constructive way they are foaming at the mouth to start sueing, etc... I've seen all the hints now in that ending we got and I'm pretty sure that it's not the read ending. The DLC would be to add more story and I see no reason why I wouldn't pay a small fee to continue it. The 80 bucks I spent on my collectors edition was way worth the entertainment I got from the game even though the ending "upset" me. I've paid 60+ bucks for other games that I felt only should of been in the bargin bin at walmart, this was not the case for me.

[intersect]

streamlock wrote...

The only thing keeping even a sliver of hope alive for that idea is the fact that everything from the elevator of light and beyond is so hopelessly absurd as to defy belief.

Yup, could it be a hallucination? maybe.  I think it's harbinger lying his arse off to get you not to destroy them.  It sounds like made up *** because he is making up ***.

Modifié par intersect, 20 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Vaktathi]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

 ^^^^^^^

Saving this spot on the off chance it's true. Here's hoping!

Make me proud, Bioware. Make yourselves proud.

EDIT: To clarify, the thread would be for BSN to apologize to Bioware, not the other way around. Though them jumping in to apologize for the deception would be a nice touch.

EDIT 2: This thread is also meant to hopefully inspire Bioware to take this route (if they arent already) to cover their behinds, if anything due to the amount of fans they'd win back (as viewed by their admittance to apologize).

An Indoc ending would be brilliant because it would be Bioware's attempt to break the 4th wall and Indoctrinate the PLAYER, not Shepard. If the player still chose to destroy the Reapers in the end, despite "getting an ending" with all 3 choices, they would conquer Indoctrination, and get to continue the story. 

Thanks to Dr. Hello, Intersect, and JSXDF for their input and clarifying my thoughts.

Why would we apologize to Bioware for shipping us an incomplete game and purposefully keeping us in the dark about it?

[FlyinElk212]

Edited OP for further thoughts.

@Whole Particle- Correct, however separating that Suicide Mission ending serves no storytelling benefit on Bioware's end. The only reason to exclude the mission itself would be for monetary benefit, which damages Bioware's image.

With Indoc theory, Bioware can claim that the ending was concealed purposely as a storytelling attempt to try and see if the PLAYER THEMSELVES can resist indoctrination and still to choose destroy the Reapers. The full idea's explained better by the new OP and several posts by Intersect.

[intersect]

intersect wrote...

streamlock wrote...

The only thing keeping even a sliver of hope alive for that idea is the fact that everything from the elevator of light and beyond is so hopelessly absurd as to defy belief.

Yup, could it be a hallucination? maybe.  I think it's harbinger lying his arse off to get you not to destroy them.  It sounds like made up *** because he is making up ***.

The other thing that never sat well with me is if everyone gets hit with Harbinger's laser, and looking at Shepard's condition post blast.  How in the world is Anderson untouched going through the conduit, he even still has his hat!

[FlyinElk212]

Vaktathi wrote...
Why would we apologize to Bioware for shipping us an incomplete game and purposefully keeping us in the dark about it?

Because we didn't believe Bioware had the balls to attempt one of the craziest concepts in gaming history. And because regardless of the intent, we received a better ending.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 20 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[Zaire Taylor]

So if Bioware has an intent to release a DLC later, and it costs $10 (because let's be honest, it definitely will), then I should apologize to them for making me spend 20 extra dollar bills on DLC that could have easily been included in the game (had to spend $10 on the Eden Prime 20 minutes mission).

[WilliamDracul88]

I bought the collectors edition. I bought the guide; all the same day. That's 100 €, aprox... 130 dollars?

Also, I bought ME2 Collectors Edition. And Mass Effect. And a Tali doll... I MEAN ACTION FIGURE xD.

And I, I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE, for NOT RECEIVING what I was promised?
For getting an UNFINISHED PRODUCT? One who NEGATES the promises of MANY, FULL ENDINGS, WITH CLOSURE, in which ALL YOUR DECISIONS MATTER?

Uh, yeah, this is your car. It doesn't have one of the doors, but, enjoy!

NO.

Modifié par eghbdgdsgh, 20 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[Lexagg]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...
Why would we apologize to Bioware for shipping us an incomplete game and purposefully keeping us in the dark about it?

Because we didn't believe Bioware had the balls to attempt one of the craziest concepts in gaming history. And because regardless of the intent, we received a better ending.

Nah, I don't care about that. If it turns out they INTENTIONALLY lied and shipped incomplete game - I will not buy that DLC.

[MassEffecter132]

Agreed... As long as they do the ending change

[Whole Particle]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Edited OP for further thoughts.

@Whole Particle- Correct, however separating that Suicide Mission ending serves no storytelling benefit on Bioware's end. The only reason to exclude the mission itself would be for monetary benefit, which damages Bioware's image.

With Indoc theory, Bioware can claim that the ending was concealed purposely as a storytelling attempt to try and see if the PLAYER THEMSELVES can resist indoctrination and still to choose destroy the Reapers. The full idea's explained better by the new OP and several posts by Intersect.

Ah, alright that makes sense, thanks.


That's a feeling I had too when playing though the ending, that Bioware was trying to mess with the players' minds as well as Shepard's.

[KMYash]

No. We wouldn't. Because this would have been brought on by their own less than brilliant actions. I could understand the idea that people had originally where it was like 'well maybe to keep the real endings out of the Space Editions' hands we'll have it dl on day one' but that would have only worked on day one. And it would alienate a lot of costumers.

My cousin doesn't have internet at his house, he can't afford it. He has an xbox only because it was gifted to him when a friend got a new one. If he had bought Mass Effect 3 and the ending was a publicity stunt that expected people to download the 'real ending' he wouldn't be able to get it unless he brought his Xbox somewhere else. Not cool.

[GuardianAngel470]

No, we don't. If they've been planning on a new ending all along, you can say goodbye to me and dozens of others. That would be the most unethical business practice I would have ever been suckered into and I would never, ever buy another product from Bioware if that was their master plan.

I don't understand you people. Why would you ever consider the indoctrination theory to be a good thing? Why would you ever consider Bioware holding the "real" ending out for use in a DLC to be anything worth celebrating?

That's just fundamentally screwed up and any business that practices that religion of absolute, short term profit over customer satisfaction isn't one I would ever want to contribute to.

[WilliamDracul88]

eghbdgdsgh wrote...

I bought the collectors edition. I bought the guide; all the same day. That's 100 €, aprox... 130 dollars?

Also, I bought ME2 Collectors Edition. And Mass Effect. And a Tali doll... I MEAN ACTION FIGURE xD.

And I, I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE, for NOT RECEIVING what I was promised?
For getting an UNFINISHED PRODUCT? One who NEGATES the promises of MANY, FULL ENDINGS, WITH CLOSURE, in which ALL YOUR DECISIONS MATTER?

Uh, yeah, this is your car. It doesn't have one of the doors, but, enjoy!

NO.

Sorry, I have to edit it many times for some reason...

[Vaktathi]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...
Why would we apologize to Bioware for shipping us an incomplete game and purposefully keeping us in the dark about it?

Because we didn't believe Bioware had the balls to attempt one of the craziest concepts in gaming history. And because regardless of the intent, we received a better ending.

Because that's not what I purchased and had I known that I wouldn't have dropped $80 on a CE. Nobody here signed up to be part of a ridiculous social experiment (and ballsy != good) that's somehow being kept incredibly well under wraps despite that just about every other aspect of the game was leaked/previewed/etc months or weeks in advance.

That entire theory is bonkers. 

[Allaiya]

I just want an ending that makes actual sense :-(
Or at the very least explain their intent with the current ending.

[Zen_Mojo]

On the one hand, the indoctrination ending is starting to eerily make sense as I reach the end of my second playthrough. The image of fake Shepard holding the kid who would later become Starchild. The eerie smile the two of them give dreaming Shepard right before they burst into flames.

And the idea of them planning post-game DLC is also starting to be eerily familiar. The fact that Kai Leng escapes even after you impale him on your omniblade. He continues to keep writhing in pain while you talk to the Illusive Man and smash his computers. Then Diana Allers even talks about him escaping in her news report.

I'm pretty sure it's kind of annoying to think about it.

[Keladis]

Um I think it would be pretty poor for Bio-Ware to have release a game without and ending and then sell the ending to us for 10 bucks.

So if it ends up being true I wont be saying sorry.

[nevar00]

They still lied about features we should've expected in the game.

Maybe, if it's free, but if not... we basically paid for an unfinished game, and have to pay extra for the ending.

[Auralius Carolus]

Count me out of that apology. IF they intentionally left out the ending of the alleged last episode of the "Mass Effect Trilogy" for DLC, they DESERVE the flack.

That's like serving a banana split and then having the waitress come by with a can of whip cream and chocolate syrup "Oh, we know you were expecting these as part of the package, seeing as it's a time honored tradition and all, but we decided to exclude them in the name of suspense, have you complain about it to the manager for 10 minutes and then inform you that you can have the toppings for an extra dollar after the ice cream melted."

[Splinter Cell 108]

Apologize for what? If they have anything planned and simply fooled us and caused this mess then I see no reason to apologize. Why on Earth would anyone apologize for being fooled like this? Besides is there a point to such a risky move. Prices are dropping, Amazon is offering full refunds, Forbes is criticizing BioWare, this mess is making it to big media sources like CNN and USA Today. Is it really plausible to believe that they were only fooling us all the time?

Nothing can explain such an insane move, and even if they had pulled it off, nothing would ever make up for it or at least BioWare's reputation would be damaged for years. Even now their reputation is going to be damaged for years even if they do what we want, people will never have the same amount of trust they did in the past.

[dos1990]

if that was their plan all along then yeah we def owe them an apology! but still they should've said something, instead they stay quiet

[Necrotron]

jules_vern18 wrote...
There is no evidence whatsoever to support this.

And if there was, there is nothing to apologize about for being outraged by a logically flawed travesty of an ending.  It would be written in the history books as an epic ploy where Bioware outraged the fans only to wow them later with an epic conclusion to their ending.