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If Bioware has been planning on Ending DLC all along/Indoc theory is true, then we need a massive apology thread


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eghbdgdsgh wrote...
Uh, yeah, this is your car. It doesn't have one of the doors, but, enjoy!

NO.[/b]


To counter that-

"...but you know, we're gonna graft that final door on, and give you a new paintjob, engine, and stereo system with Sirius radio."

Honestly, if the end result is satisfaction, aren't you, well, satisfied?

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 20 mars 2012 - 05:02 .


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if that was their plan all along then yeah we def owe them an apology! but still they should've said something, instead they stay quiet


Why do you think that? I really can't see any reason that situation would call for an apology. Seriously curious. Is it a 'fans weren't patient thing'? 

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Er, how would giving us an unfinished game for full-game price and then charging us extra for the ending warrant any sort of apology? Aside from an apology from them for the massively underhanded cash-grab, that is.

I hate this indoctrination theory. It's basically saying that BioWare sold us a story with the last page torn out.

EA's CEO has a video out of him talking to share holders saying " If we can charge $1 for a clip in a game like Battle field. Then we should try and get that revenue." 

I really hope that they didn't chop up the game to make more money. But after seeing this and then seeing day 1 DLC. I havea bad feeling that they are trying to milk the fanbase for everything possible. :crying:

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Vaktathi wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...
Why would we apologize to Bioware for shipping us an incomplete game and purposefully keeping us in the dark about it?

Because we didn't believe Bioware had the balls to attempt one of the craziest concepts in gaming history. And because regardless of the intent, we received a better ending.

Because that's not what I purchased and had I known that I wouldn't have dropped $80 on a CE. Nobody here signed up to be part of a ridiculous social experiment (and ballsy != good) that's somehow being kept incredibly well under wraps despite that just about every other aspect of the game was leaked/previewed/etc months or weeks in advance.

That entire theory is bonkers. 


It wouldn't be the first time EA did some incredibly unethical social experiment without consent from participants:

Edit: my research methods prof uses this video as an example in his classes of what you should NEVER do.  Ever.  Because it is just complete unethical and wrong.

@OP
No I will not apologize to Bioware at this point.  It has been far too long with no statement from them.  As it is I'm only giving them until the end of the week and then it's:


Modifié par Dhraconus, 20 mars 2012 - 05:04 .


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Or.... Ending's already on disc, no dlc planned, just planned unlocking. I don't believe this is the case in a million years, but just putting it out there.

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FlyinElk212 wrote...

eghbdgdsgh wrote...
Uh, yeah, this is your car. It doesn't have one of the doors, but, enjoy!

NO.[/b]


To counter that-

"...but you know, we're gonna graft that final door on, and give you a new paintjob, engine, and stereo system with Sirius radio."

Honestly, if the end result is satisfaction, aren't you, well, satisfied?


But would you apologize to the car dealer for that? Shouldn't you be recieving the apology for a bad car? Not saying you shouldn't be happy/relieved that it was fixed plus some but would you really apologize?

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they would need to apologize to us for pulling stupid BS like this

indoc theory is a joke anyway

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Even if they do make an alternative ending DLC, there's a very high probability that it won't be free; voice actors need to be paid, programmers have salaries, etc.

So no, I will not fork over an additional $10 AND an apology. They get their extortion money, I get the closure I wanted since the actual game released.

Everybody's happy.

Modifié par alterIncogn1T0, 20 mars 2012 - 05:10 .


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Um no it will be a bigger PR disaster if even that was the plan, to reveal it would be the biggest mistake blunder ever. Cause this may say okay to the fans that are dissatisfied but the gaming community would really raise their eyebrows.

In the end whenever that is... BioWare will not leave this unscathed. Their only way is to come out with as little damage as possible.

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Vaktathi wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...
Because we didn't believe Bioware had the balls to attempt one of the craziest concepts in gaming history. And because regardless of the intent, we received a better ending.

Because that's not what I purchased and had I known that I wouldn't have dropped $80 on a CE. Nobody here signed up to be part of a ridiculous social experiment (and ballsy != good) that's somehow being kept incredibly well under wraps despite that just about every other aspect of the game was leaked/previewed/etc months or weeks in advance.

That entire theory is bonkers. 

True, but your counter assumes the content isn't free. If it was planned all along, who's to say it won't be?

This methodology provides a "get out of jail free" card for Bioware if they hadn't planned this all along. And again, I'll mention- regardless of intent, we get a better ending. Isnt that the desired result?

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 20 mars 2012 - 05:08 .


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MJF JD wrote...

ya. I do find it hard to believe a company like bioware/ea would willingly expose themselves to the heat they have taken over this just so they could make sure noone gets their ultimate ending "spoiled."



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FlyinElk212 wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...
Because we didn't believe Bioware had the balls to attempt one of the craziest concepts in gaming history. And because regardless of the intent, we received a better ending.

Because that's not what I purchased and had I known that I wouldn't have dropped $80 on a CE. Nobody here signed up to be part of a ridiculous social experiment (and ballsy != good) that's somehow being kept incredibly well under wraps despite that just about every other aspect of the game was leaked/previewed/etc months or weeks in advance.

That entire theory is bonkers. 

True, but your counter assumes the content isn't free. If it was planned all along, who's to say it won't be?

This methodology provides a "get out of jail free" card for Bioware if they hadn't planned this all along. And again, I'll mention- regardless of intent, we get a better ending. Isnt that the desired result?


What about customers that don't have internet access/internet for their console? I know people that don't. What then? Do they have to bring their computer, xbox, or ps3 to another place with internet to get something that they should have gotten on the disc? (this is assuming that the idea of the ending not being the true ending is accurate)

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FlyinElk212 wrote...

To counter that-

"...but you know, we're gonna graft that final door on, and give you a new paintjob, engine, and stereo system with Sirius radio."

Honestly, if the end result is satisfaction, aren't you, well, satisfied?


First off, a car without a door is extremely obvious. This is more like a problem with the coolant system- everything provides for a sweet ride, until you realize your heat gauge isn't working right and your dream car just took a dive.

Secondly, all we've heard is "No" and "We're listening". And the paintjob, engine and stereo wouldn't happen anyway. That basically translates to a massive amount of free DLC and EA isn't exactly known for makeup seeeehh... errr, makeup DLC.

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FlyinElk212 wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...
Because we didn't believe Bioware had the balls to attempt one of the craziest concepts in gaming history. And because regardless of the intent, we received a better ending.

Because that's not what I purchased and had I known that I wouldn't have dropped $80 on a CE. Nobody here signed up to be part of a ridiculous social experiment (and ballsy != good) that's somehow being kept incredibly well under wraps despite that just about every other aspect of the game was leaked/previewed/etc months or weeks in advance.

That entire theory is bonkers. 

True, but your counter assumes the content isn't free. If it was planned all along, who's to say it won't be?

This methodology provides a "get out of jail free" card for Bioware if they hadn't planned this all along. And again, I'll mention- regardless of intent, we get a better ending. Isnt that the desired result?

Yes, it's the desired result, but no we don't owe an apology for being subjected to some unspoken experiment against our knowledge and purchasing a game without an ending. 

Would it help smooth things over? Yes. 

Should we apologize in that case? Not really, our actions were rational based on the information at the time and the onus of unethical business behavior would be on Bioware at that point. 

I'd much rather they just copped to having had a collective brainfart (at least at the upper levels of the design team) and fixed it. 

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KMYash wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

eghbdgdsgh wrote...
Uh, yeah, this is your car. It doesn't have one of the doors, but, enjoy!

To counter that-

"...but you know, we're gonna graft that final door on, and give you a new paintjob, engine, and stereo system with Sirius radio."

Honestly, if the end result is satisfaction, aren't you, well, satisfied?

But would you apologize to the car dealer for that? Shouldn't you be recieving the apology for a bad car? Not saying you shouldn't be happy/relieved that it was fixed plus some but would you really apologize?


Yes. Because in the end I got the product I wanted, and made a big fuss over nothing, while the car dealer was simply trying something unconventional to try and give us more.

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If they did plan it, which I doubt, we would be foolish consumers to simply go along with it. While I don't immediately suggest a boycott of the given product, that would be nothing short of lying. And we sure as heck shouldn't apologize to them in that case; if Bioware really planned this, they easily could have quelled the fire last week by simply announcing the DLC in theory

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I wouldn't apologize, but I would smother them with love. Y'all are too demanding.

Unless it ended up being just as miserable and pointless as the current ending. Then I would self-destruct.

Modifié par devSin, 20 mars 2012 - 05:13 .


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Yes, they should apologize to us.

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KMYash wrote...
What about customers that don't have internet access/internet for their console? I know people that don't. What then? Do they have to bring their computer, xbox, or ps3 to another place with internet to get something that they should have gotten on the disc? (this is assuming that the idea of the ending not being the true ending is accurate)


True, this idea doesn't take into account those without an Internet connection (at least right away. Maybe a "true ending" disc can be shipped later). However, I don't see how we'll be able to solve he ending problem if not through DLC. 

Sorry guys, I'm on my iPhone responding as fast as I can, because ironically...my cable modem Internet is down...(wah waah)

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I hate this indoctrination theory. It's basically saying that BioWare sold us a story with the last page torn out.


To everyone who keeps complaining about this.

Look at world of Warcraft, and their "DLC" (Patches) 
They sell you the game without the ending, yet you keep playing it?

Love one company for it, hate the other.
Make up your mind!

:mellow:

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devSin wrote...

I wouldn't apologize, but I would smother them with love. Y'all are too demanding.

Unless it ended up being just as miserable and pointless as the current ending. Then I would self-destruct.


Me too. But seriously, they owe us an apology for either stringing us along or miscalculating so badly. They can restore my faith if they handle this right and that should be enough.

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Why?  Because we should be thankful they made us pay for an unfinished game?

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Xerkysz wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I hate this indoctrination theory. It's basically saying that BioWare sold us a story with the last page torn out.


To everyone who keeps complaining about this.

Look at world of Warcraft, and their "DLC" (Patches) 
They sell you the game without the ending, yet you keep playing it?

Love one company for it, hate the other.
Make up your mind!

:mellow:

Bad example. 

Mmorpgs have no real ending anyway.

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Intomydimension wrote...

 every day the indoctrination theory makes more sense ..


I like

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I don't know. I think I would still feel mad, just for a different reason. I don't think playing your fanbase like a fiddle is a particularly respectful thing for a company to do, particularly since some people seem to really be depressed about this, and it's not really hard to see why.

I think we already owe them a collective apology for some of the over-the-top tactics some people have employed to put pressure on BioWare - particularly the attempts at personal harassment: it's repulsive. But I would not apologize personally, since all I've done is critique, donate, and stand firm in my request for an ending. I stand by every word of my critique.