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[Fulgrim88]

I applaud you, OP.

It's not like this hasn't been brought up yet (heck, I mentioned it several times myself), but you managed to word it far better than anyone I've seen to date.

It is the very core of our gripes with the game, the reason why we are up in arms like that, almost instinctively, the reason why some of us are experiencing actual symptoms of depression over a goddamn video game. And this needs to be read and shared.

P.S.: This is a little off topic, but your description of the ME1 characters, especially the "brash Turian Cop" and the "fragile Quarian teenager" made me smile. We've come such a long way since then...

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 20 mars 2012 - 07:42 .

[MCP20012]

Well written, and it was a good read.

[Fapmaster5000]

Very interesting read, and I very much agree on a Paragon playthrough, that's a very large part of the "betrayal" feeling I got from the ending. It turned out there wasn't any hope for the galaxy. (Which is a fine statement to make, but not the proper ending to an epic of this scope, especially one billed as "co-created with fans" and "your own story".)

I think what we're seeing here is, quite simply, a disconnect between the story the developers were telling and the one the players were seeing. Death of the Author, much? Hence the shock of the ending. Up to that point, there'd been no true clash of themes, but in those moments, the developer ripped control of the helm from the player and hammered down on a theme of nihilism and conflict, which was completely at odds with what many of us were getting from the game.

The fact that this control was so sudden, and so last minute, with no breather between its grim conclusion and rolling credits, made the shock so much sharper, and fueled the calls for the improved ending.

At first, I thought it was just me, and my friends, whose worldviews created this different view of the ME trilogy, but the more I see online, it appears that, if not a majority, a significant slice of the fanbase was apparently enjoying a completely different game than the one that the developers ended, and the "Retake" movement isn't so much demanding a fixed ending as they are requesting an ending that is in line with the game they played so loyally.

/run-on-thoughts.

[Uratxekatlitza]

Very well put OP. I think you do a great job of breaking down the underlying wrongness of the ending.

[Ravax]

No worries mate, I have come to accept the fact that wall of texts are necessary to explain with absolute precision our feelings towards this utter bullscheize of an ending..
Brilliantly written, and brilliantly explained, 100% on board with ya!

[Kanub]

That was a GOOD wall of text. It articulated my exact feeling very well.

There's a line between bittersweet and depressingly bleak, and Bioware crossed it by a mile.

[gooberfish311]

This is probably the closest summation of how Ive felt about the ending so far. It was, thematically speaking, completely disconnected from the rest of the trilogy.

[BismarkYamato]

OP, I agree with you 100% The whole concept of Mass Effect was ignored by the ending of ME3, what happened to hope, unity, tolerance? Go through 2.95 games of having hope, and end it with a hopeless situation.

Modifié par BismarkYamato, 20 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[clipped_wolf]

Well said. Yes, fight the cynicism being jammed down our throats.

[TheSword_of_Fate]

That's the way that I felt when I got to the end. Where did all the hope go?
Well said OP.

[Xenbus]

TheSword_of_Fate wrote...

That's the way that I felt when I got to the end. Where did all the hope go?
Well said OP.

What's really funny is Shepard comments on not having hope during the ending, but the kid refutes AGAIN and were suppose to take his word for it.

Even Shepard knew the ending was a bad tonal shift, but it's shoved down our throats anyway.

[Megachaz]

I have never read anything on these boards I agreed with more than this. Let's not forget that, in addition to bending to the will of your enemy, we are expected to make a choice where all three options completely oppose everything that the story stands for and be HAPPY about it. We're supposed to feel good about either:

1. Destroying the Geth and EDI. Betraying those who put away their wars to stand with you. Betraying Legion?

2. Betraying our principles by controlling the ultimate evil.

3. Violating the rights of EVERY being in the entire galaxy by depriving them of what they are, while simultaneously rejecting the principle that diversity is beneficial.

None of those things seem like anything to be satisfied with at all.

[Fapmaster5000]

Megachaz wrote...

3. Violating the rights of EVERY being in the entire galaxy by depriving them of what they are, while simultaneously rejecting the principle that diversity is beneficial.

This, so much this.  I really wonder if Bioware realized how truly apalling the "Synthesis" ending is when examined from a distance.  "Yay, we're all the same now!"

... wait, what?

You mean that I just decided that "lolfreewill, not for you!" to the entire galaxy, forcibly inflicting a body-rape on every living being, organic and synthetic, ripping out a portion of their self to rewrite it in MY IMAGE, with absolulely no consultation with their own will?  I'm the hero?  Really?  I'd say that's pretty high up the "unimaginable evil" side of the chart, especially considering that the Reapers were a group that forcibly body-raped populations into a new synthesis form-  OH SNAP!

That's not even getting into the implied "moral" of "Now we can all get along because we're the same!  I mean, white people don't kill white people, right?"  There's so much misguided closet xenophobia in this ending, it's staggering.  (Especially, again, when you consider that, in canon, there's been a whole lot more organic-on-organic horror - Rachni Wars, Krogan Rebellions, etc - than organic/synthetic war - the only example being a murky stew of self-defense-versus-natural-rights that can be RESOLVED before the ending.)

Honestly, people who state that they "like" the Synthesis ending (not appreciate it, but as in "I think this is a good thing!") truly terrify me, either through lack of consequential thinking or sheer disregard for rights of individuals and the value of diversity.

Modifié par Fapmaster5000, 20 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[Ssation]

I like your writing, and you're perfectly describing what most of us don't like in these endings !

[dragg44]

OP . . . beautifully written and expresses the deep sense of betrayal experienced when I reached the end.

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3. Violating the rights of EVERY being in the entire galaxy by depriving them of what they are, while simultaneously rejecting the principle that diversity is beneficial.[/quote]

This, so much this.  I really wonder if Bioware realized how truly apalling the "Synthesis" ending is when examined from a distance.  "Yay, we're all the same now!"

... wait, what?

You mean that I just decided that "lolfreewill, not for you!" to the entire galaxy, forcibly inflicting a body-rape on every living being, organic and synthetic, ripping out a portion of their self to rewrite it in MY IMAGE, with absolulely no consultation with their own will?  I'm the hero?  Really?  I'd say that's pretty high up the "unimaginable evil" side of the chart, especially considering that the Reapers were a group that forcibly body-raped populations into a new synthesis form-  OH SNAP!

That's not even getting into the implied "moral" of "Now we can all get along because we're the same!  I mean, white people don't kill white people, right?"  There's so much misguided closet xenophobia in this ending, it's staggering.  (Especially, again, when you consider that, in canon, there's been a whole lot more organic-on-organic horror - Rachni Wars, Krogan Rebellions, etc - than organic/synthetic war - the only example being a murky stew of self-defense-versus-natural-rights that can be RESOLVED before the ending.)

Honestly, people who state that they "like" the Synthesis ending (not appreciate it, but as in "I think this is a good thing!") truly terrify me, either through lack of consequential thinking or sheer disregard for rights of individuals and the value of diversity.
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Couldn't agree more . . . the Synthesis option seems to contradict everything Shepard stood for in ME. I was appalled that this would even be a viable solution.

Modifié par dragg44, 20 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[Sainta117]

Wow, I'm humbled by the reaction to this. When I went to bed yesterday there were like 10 views and a couple of responses. I'm very grateful for all the positive feedback, and glad that others felt the same way I did.

[branman887]

You said exactly what I've wanted to say about why the ending feels so wrong. Good read.

[Renew81]

Amen to that could not have said it better myself , good post.


Hold the line.

[Seryndras]

Yes! Yes! About 12.5 million times yes! Another one who caught my state of mind and put it in words better than I ever could. Thanks!

[Lisa_H]

Wow, this sums it up great. This is a 100% correct

[nhsknudsen]

Made me think of this quote from a movie:

In the Year of our Lord 1314, patriots of Scotland - starving and outnumbered - charged the fields of Bannockburn. They fought like warrior poets; they fought like Scotsmen, and won their freedom.

Modifié par nhsknudsen, 20 mars 2012 - 06:35 .

[Sainta117]

nhsknudsen wrote...

Made me think of this quote from a movie:

In the Year of our Lord 1314, patriots of Scotland - starving and outnumbered - charged the fields of Bannockburn. They fought like warrior poets; they fought like Scotsmen, and won their freedom.

Yeah, like it said, I was pretty tired, and it might have been a bit over the top. Sorry.

[Fapmaster5000]

Meh, the amount of over-writing going on in the forums is a refreshing change from the amount of under-writing going on in the game.

Besides, it's fun to play demagogue now and again, especially in groups.

[nhsknudsen]

Sainta117 wrote...

nhsknudsen wrote...

Made me think of this quote from a movie:

In the Year of our Lord 1314, patriots of Scotland - starving and outnumbered - charged the fields of Bannockburn. They fought like warrior poets; they fought like Scotsmen, and won their freedom.

Yeah, like it said, I was pretty tired, and it might have been a bit over the top. Sorry.

Oh sorry if you misunderstood, it wasn't criticism. It was meant as an applaud. I think
it is a great description you gave of the problems. Coming together,
fighting for your beliefs and hope, even if it means failure. What I tried to
convey with that quote :-)

[Sainta117]

[quote]nhsknudsen wrote...

[quote]Sainta117 wrote...

[quote]nhsknudsen wrote...

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Oh sorry if you misunderstood, it wasn't criticism. It was meant as an applaud. I think
it is a great description you gave of the problems. Coming together,
fighting for your beliefs and hope, even if it means failure. What I tried to
convey with that quote :-)

[/quote]

Guess I misunderstood, although I didn't take it as criticism per se. I do think maybe what I wrote was a bit too flowery, so I guess I was expecting someone to call me on it and didn't read your post as carefully as I should have.

Regardless, thanks for your attention (and the support).