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[UrgentArchengel]

This is too true. Bump!

[TrollDemon]

Nice read. I remember this post from a while back.

Indeed, it does feel like all the themes and philosophies were thrown out the window in the name of a rushed ending. What happened to overcoming the odds? What happened to spitting in the Reapers face?

[d1ta]

What a beautiful post OP! thanks for putting this up for us.

[Nicky 192]

Thank you Op,reading this made me very sad actually it was beautiful. It once again, reminded me of the feelings of hope that we all had. I remember Shepard's Quote in Mass Effect 2 " i wont let fear compromise who i am". To reach the end of the journey and then be shoe horned into doing precisely that i feel is a violation of the character that we all individually shaped. It makes me sad but all the more determined to make my voice heard.

[Sainta117]

Nicky 192 wrote...

Thank you Op,reading this made me very sad actually it was beautiful. It once again, reminded me of the feelings of hope that we all had. I remember Shepard's Quote in Mass Effect 2 " i wont let fear compromise who i am". To reach the end of the journey and then be shoe horned into doing precisely that i feel is a violation of the character that we all individually shaped. It makes me sad but all the more determined to make my voice heard.

(emphasis added above)

Nice! I think that quote (last conversation in ME2 with TIM, right?) is really perfect for describing the problem with Shepard's choices, and I wish I'd thought to include it in my little diatribe. 

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Yeah well said,what is the point of that line in ME2 if he goes back on it in ME3?

Hold the line for as long as it takes to get new endings.

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[Sc2mashimaro]

Nice job. Sums up my thoughts on the matter nicely too.

[AscalonD]

I myself are never pre-ordering a EA/Bioware game ever again. Betrayal should bring repercussions, and this was not just sleeping with someone else, it was sleeping with a whole football team.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

I am going one step farther and if this is not fixed I am never buying another Bioware or Ea product again.

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[Sainta117]

AscalonD wrote...

I myself are never pre-ordering a EA/Bioware game ever again. Betrayal should bring repercussions, and this was not just sleeping with someone else, it was sleeping with a whole football team.

Now *there's* an uncomfortable image...

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

I still would like Bioware to explain what was the point of seeing so many characters give their lives if there was no chance at a happy ending.

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[Flextt]

Since we both seemingly agree about the major themes and their betrayal, or at the very least departure from them, I applaud you and bump this. It feels so good to have eloquent people word Retake's issues.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Yeah same here. This is the best post on the forum and Bioware needs to read it.

[Ieldra]

This is absolutely the worst aspect of the ending:

And at the climax of that battle, we find ourselves confronted by the very avatar of intolerance, ruthlessness, cruelty, and arbitrary authority in the Starchild. And what does Bioware *force* us to do?

Bend our knee to it.

That's why it is absolutely mandatory that we get an opportunity to challenge the starchild. I don't agree with the OP's assessment of the endings, but it is not acceptable for Shepard NOT to question this arbitrary authority. As a matter of principle.

[xefiroEA]

Great post, OP. Reading all these walls of text expressing why the ending was so hurtful has really helped me deal with the disappointment. I've never been affected like this by a game before.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Yeah I just hope we don't all give up just because this takes time. We will get a hopeful ending but only if we stick together.

[Sainta117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

This is absolutely the worst aspect of the ending:

And at the climax of that battle, we find ourselves confronted by the very avatar of intolerance, ruthlessness, cruelty, and arbitrary authority in the Starchild. And what does Bioware *force* us to do?

Bend our knee to it.

That's why it is absolutely mandatory that we get an opportunity to challenge the starchild. I don't agree with the OP's assessment of the endings, but it is not acceptable for Shepard NOT to question this arbitrary authority. As a matter of principle.

Interesting. I wonder what it was about my assessment of the endings that you disagreed with? Their overall quality, or what exactly made them bad? I'd love to discuss it, if you'd like to elucidate.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Best post on the forum. Bioware please read this.

[Ieldra]

Sainta117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

This is absolutely the worst aspect of the ending:

And at the climax of that battle, we find ourselves confronted by the very avatar of intolerance, ruthlessness, cruelty, and arbitrary authority in the Starchild. And what does Bioware *force* us to do?

Bend our knee to it.

That's why it is absolutely mandatory that we get an opportunity to challenge the starchild. I don't agree with the OP's assessment of the endings, but it is not acceptable for Shepard NOT to question this arbitrary authority. As a matter of principle.

Interesting. I wonder what it was about my assessment of the endings that you disagreed with? Their overall quality, or what exactly made them bad? I'd love to discuss it, if you'd like to elucidate.

It is basically the paragraphs that follow:

We have to meekly accept the vile, unacceptable principle that there
must always be winners and losers, that some battles are just too big to
fight, some evils too powerful to defeat. That we must choose to
bargain with the devil instead of spitting in his eye.

You appear to say that we should be able to win conventionally. I do not agree. I think that there are, indeed, evils impossible to defeat by the power of unity and heroic determination alone, in this case, the Reapers. While I agree that there should be a fourth option, it's not because of this. My issue with the starchild is not that we must, in the end, make one of the three decisions, but that we must make it on a premise that makes no sense. 

In other
words, that everything Mass Effect has taught us is a lie. At the last
moment, it strips of us of our unity, of our hope. It denies us the
chance to pull together and win through to a glorious victory, or even
to stand and die as free beings beside our brothers-in-arms. We must, it
tells us, choose sides at the last. We must become the monster we
despise, or accept a hateful amalgamation with an evil and soulless foe,
or betray and sacrifice those who respect and count on us to achieve a
broken and hollow victory.

I do not agree with your assessment of the Control and Synthesis endings. Again, the root problem is that the Catalyst's assertion that synthetics will wipe out all organics makes no sense as presented. If it can be made to make sense, using the Control option is a viable solution, and in no way is it even remotely implied that ascended-Shepard will act like the entitiy he's just unseated. As for the Synthesis, read this thread and see why it is not as you describe it.

The problem with the Catalyst lies in two things: its assertion makes no sense, and we have to take it on its authority. That is out of character for most Shepards out there. Throughout the trilogy, there have been moments here and there when I thought "no, this is no my Shepard", but never was there such a drastic disconnect as here.

The betrayal of hope lies elsewhere, namely, in the feeling the ending leaves us with, that everything and everyone is screwed regardless of what we do. We may not be able to win conventionally, but we should be able to win in some way. We should have an ending that feels at least a little bit like a victory. An ending that needs to be mentally rewritten to feel like a victory is not a good ending.

[Zing Freelancer]

Sainta117 wrote...

Wow, holy wall of text, batman. Maybe this wasn't such a good idea after all...

No, it was a good idea and a damn good read.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Yeah. If going against the message of the story as it has been set up just to make the villain look more powerful is just bad writing. Not to mention the fact that Reapers have been killed and we have seen planets where people are holding out against them,so they can be defeated. The ending makes no sense when put together with both the plot details and the message of the story up to that point. It's just bad writing.

[CELL55]

Yeah, pretty much this. It doesn't just turn away from the themes that the trilogy has been building; it moves in the exact opposite direction.

[Babyberry]

A good read and one I agree with.

[Reptilian Rob]

Wow, excellant write up! You hit all the key points and explained so in great detail!

+1

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Everyone needs to read this,including Bioware.