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[biiskit]

Great read and I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly, there seems to be a modern tendency to sneer at themes that have served us well in storytelling for millennia, why? Because they're not edgy enough? To hell with that, give me David slaying Goliath any day.

[Sal86]

OP, that is beautifully articulated explanation of the biggest problem that I have with the ending. Beyond the logical mine field that is the ending I couldn't have explained why it just felt wrong. This is why. Thankyou for writting it.

[Phaedros]

@OP

Beautiful!

Thank you for your time.

Wish I could express it so well.

          <3

[SgtSweatySac]

It's amazing to me just how well-articulated and civil most of the criticisms have been on this board since the Endophage (*HA-HA, MULTIPLE ENTENDRE*) began. 

[Vexia2070]

Wonderful post! All of it! Great read.

[Gmandam]

Op I think you said it just perfectly and maybe if Bioware reads it they can understand exactly what they made and exactly what it's creation deserves.

[Cobra's_back]

Thank you . Totally agree.

[ardias89]

A little bump to keep it alive

[jsamlaw]

What's strange is that BioWare knows how to create a "coming together for an epic finale" ending in short form--they did it with Dragon Age:Origins. The leader gives a rousing speech while they cut away to scenes of the many factions you assembled marching off to war, and the DA:O opening cut scene of the Grey Wardens fighting against the first blight shows multiple races, classes, etc. fighting together to stomp out evil.

Granted, the scope of the ME trilogy deserves more than a few cutscenes, but if they were pressed for time, why not just follow DA:O's lead? It's very strange that you spend 3 games amassing forces from the many species of the galaxy, and the From Ashes DLC even contrasts the Prothean failure to Shepard's working with other species. Yet, in the end its mostly humans shown fighting on Earth and you only take 2 companions (who could both be human) into the final conflict.

Heck, even a "deployment wheel" unleashing the forces you've amassed similar to DA:O would have given more meaning to all of your actions throughout the trilogy than what we got.

[Cobra's_back]

I absolutely love OP wording here
“And at the climax of that battle, we find ourselves confronted by the very avatar of intolerance, ruthlessness, cruelty, and arbitrary authority in the Starchild. And what does Bioware *force* us to do?
Bend our knee to it. We have to meekly accept the vile, unacceptable principle that there must always be winners and losers, that some battles are just too big to fight, some evils too powerful to defeat. That we must choose to bargain with the devil instead of spitting in his eye.
In other words, that everything Mass Effect has taught us is a lie. At the last moment, it strips of us of our unity, of our hope. It denies us the chance to pull together and win through to a glorious victory, or even to stand and die as free beings beside our brothers-in-arms. We must, it tells us, choose sides at the last. We must become the monster we despise, or accept a hateful amalgamation with an evil and soulless foe, or betray and sacrifice those who respect and count on us to achieve a broken and hollow victory.”

[Qutayba]

Sainta117 wrote...

In other words, that everything Mass Effect has taught us is a lie. At the last moment, it strips of us of our unity, of our hope. It denies us the chance to pull together and win through to a glorious victory, or even to stand and die as free beings beside our brothers-in-arms. We must, it tells us, choose sides at the last. We must become the monster we despise, or accept a hateful amalgamation with an evil and soulless foe, or betray and sacrifice those who respect and count on us to achieve a broken and hollow victory.

This.  This.  This.  Amen.  Amen.  Amen!  There is a very big difference between a "happy" ending and a "good" ending.  If Shepard died defiant and fighting, that would have been a meaningful end, that "I'd rather die than live like a slave" as Spepard says more than once in ME1 or "The universe is a dark place. I’m trying to make it brighter before I die" as Thane says in ME2.  No matter how vast or objectively meaningless the universe is, human lives make their own meaning in the human action.  That, ultimately, is the grand ethical theme of the Mass Effect Series.  Let Shepard give meaning to his own death, BioWare.

[GreenDragon37]

Sainta117 wrote...

Wow, holy wall of text, batman. Maybe this wasn't such a good idea after all...

Nope. Wouldn't change a thing. You sir, win.

[Mora1970]

Read OP's text and agreeing completely. Sainta117 has got to the very center of things what make the end unworthy for MassEffect series. So I'll say holy very good wall of text, batman.

[FOX216BC]

Exellent OP might i say.

[Axel Slice]

A really well writen post, and i agree completely.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Someone needs to stand up and read the OP to the Bioware people at PAX.

[Joran Anduril]

Another bump because this is possibly the best post on the topic.

[frostajulie]

I want to add my voice to yours this was exactly why the ending failed on every level and why I wade in and slog through threads and posts daily just to post and let bioware know Im not going anywhere. I want to hope again.

They need to fix this mess.

[Mora1970]

Bumping for truth.

[mirage2154]

That's why we fighting for, and this is the thing that really worth fighting for. A grant post indeed!

[Mora1970]

Must bump. This is too good to get lost.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

I still say someone should read this to the Bioware people at PAX.

[marshkoala]

Gosh I just wish that everyone could read this and comment on what the post said to you!

Howdy DoctorCrowtgamer...............Good to see you!

[Sainta117]

I wonder if the planned ending revision will actually manage to achieve any of this. I do think it's possible, but I'm not particularly optimistic at the moment.

[FunstuffofDoom]

I think there's an ending that could satisfy us all. But I have doubts that "closure and clarification" is what we're looking for.