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[Servant of Nature]

Yay! Someone who understands! You just get more awesome, don't you? Anyway, I shall stop hijacking your thread now.

[Recidiva]

Servant of Nature wrote...

Yay! Someone who understands! You just get more awesome, don't you? Anyway, I shall stop hijacking your thread now.

Oh, it's a pleasure.  I hijack myself all the time.  At least I can keep the majority of hijacking here in my own thread, where nobody's gonna yell at me for doing it.

Well, they could try, but clearly I'm not averse to yelling.  Or non-linear progressions.

[GoldenusG]

Arl Eamon: The darkspawn are headed to Denerim.

Me: Great. Just bloody great.

Arl Eamon: We will mobilise the army, we can get there in two days. We leave at dawn.

Me: You do that, My merry gang of misery-guts will head out now, we'll borrow some horses and be there by noon tomorrow.

Arl Eamon: No no no no no. You must wait for the army!

Me: It's alright, between us, we might be able to hold the gate till you arrive.

Arl Eamon: No! You must travel slowly with the army - on foot!

Me: Why?

Arl Eamon: Its an entire army of darkspawn!

Me: And? Between us, we've slaughtered Three THOUSAND enemies! One thousand of them being darkbeasties. Alright, not at the same time, but thats just what I like to refer to as... A challenge!

Arl Eamon: But I'm bringing my pastry chef along, he makes the most delightful cookies!

Me: Grrrr. FINE! I'm off down the local, come drag me out when your leaving... And bring doughnuts!

[Recidiva]

Yes! The respec potion worked. Oghren is now a templar and a champion. And...slightly confused. But that's normal.



Mmm. Donuts.

[ChemicalGreen]

Recidiva wrote...

Yeah, that's actually why I came to these forums.  To ask if it was possiible.  I just kept replaying and replaying with higher cunning.  I became deeply disturbed over the issue of the fact that I couldn't make a sacrifice because I was a girl.  If I could just...find the right words...

My husband assures me there aren't any.  I think Bioware should provide me with the "Fine, clock Alistair one and drag him behind the Ballista" patch.  But I'll settle for the gate thing.

Delightful to see that I wasn't the only one yearning for that plot options. I was almost screaming at the screen (female commoner dwarf rogue PC) "C'mon, hit him below the belt, dirty fighting, do something except just stand there helpless!!"

....


Though when Alistair said "Like I'd give you the choice." when I tried to talk him out of it, I really did want to kick him in the nadgers. Mortal peril and archdemons be damned, ye shall not patronize me!

[Recidiva]

ChemicalGreen wrote...

Delightful to see that I wasn't the only one yearning for that plot options. I was almost screaming at the screen (female commoner dwarf rogue PC) "C'mon, hit him below the belt, dirty fighting, do something except just stand there helpless!!"

Though when Alistair said "Like I'd give you the choice." when I tried to talk him out of it, I really did want to kick him in the nadgers. Mortal peril and archdemons be damned, ye shall not patronize me!

Of many things in the game that affected me, this was really one of the hardest to take.  And I certainly did everything I could to change it, at least until I conceded the game didn't allow for it.

I can't decide if it's by design or oversight, character strength or flaw, mine or Alistair's, writing or projection.

I'm disturbed that it only happens to female characters that are in love.  It was one of the few insupportable things in the game I was forced to sit through and feel helpless about.  I don't respond well to helplessness.

If I could Kobayashi Maru this sucker, I would.  In a second.  I don't mind dying, I mind being helpless because of two things I take pride in - love and my gender. 

That's Alistair's nickname this time around, anyway.  Kobayashi Maru.  I told him it meant something else in Tevinter.  Like "He of the Great Destiny."

[ChemicalGreen]

Recidiva wrote...

Of many things in the game that affected me, this was really one of the hardest to take.  And I certainly did everything I could to change it, at least until I conceded the game didn't allow for it.

I can't decide if it's by design or oversight, character strength or flaw, mine or Alistair's, writing or projection.

I'm disturbed that it only happens to female characters that are in love.  It was one of the few insupportable things in the game I was forced to sit through and feel helpless about.  I don't respond well to helplessness.

If I could Kobayashi Maru this sucker, I would.  In a second.  I don't mind dying, I mind being helpless because of two things I take pride in - love and my gender. 

That's Alistair's nickname this time around, anyway.  Kobayashi Maru.  I told him it meant something else in Tevinter.  Like "He of the Great Destiny."

In all subsequent female PC playthroughs (I really can't help romancing Alistair ) he gets left by the gate like the good little follower he is. The whole Alistair sacrificing himself to save his one true love (nevermind that I had already sold him to Anora like the royal breeding stud he is to continue the royal line) didn't quite evoke the emotional response it should have, I was more incised over the fact that I had been relegated to passive observer role left to watch while a man set about the business of saving the world.

But, as not to completely derail thread, here goes!

Riordan: You should take Alistair and two others with you and make for Fort Drakon to kill the Archdemon.
Me: That's what you think. Alistair, be a good figurehead to your troops and guard the gates, that's a good to-be-king.
Alistair: Wh-What? But Riordan..
Me: Is going to splat in a second, trust me on this. Besides, I might end up stabbing you myself if you try to steal my glory one more time.
Alistair: I don't know what you're talking about.
Me: Just guard the gates, and there might be a golem miniature in it for you.
Alistair: Really?

[Recidiva]

ChemicalGreen wrote...


In all subsequent female PC playthroughs (I really can't help romancing Alistair ) he gets left by the gate like the good little follower he is. The whole Alistair sacrificing himself to save his one true love (nevermind that I had already sold him to Anora like the royal breeding stud he is to continue the royal line) didn't quite evoke the emotional response it should have, I was more incised over the fact that I had been relegated to passive observer role left to watch while a man set about the business of saving the world.

But, as not to completely derail thread, here goes!

Riordan: You should take Alistair and two others with you and make for Fort Drakon to kill the Archdemon.
Me: That's what you think. Alistair, be a good figurehead to your troops and guard the gates, that's a good to-be-king.
Alistair: Wh-What? But Riordan..
Me: Is going to splat in a second, trust me on this. Besides, I might end up stabbing you myself if you try to steal my glory one more time.
Alistair: I don't know what you're talking about.
Me: Just guard the gates, and there might be a golem miniature in it for you.
Alistair: Really?

LOL!

I know I'm going to have to do a play through with Loghain, but I keep telling myself I'm going to do it and I don't.

I should just take the hint.  Alistair is an in-game romance option because he's adorable.  But in the end he's like my son and I just cannot, CANNOT allow him to die any more.  Anyone else!

That's partly why pissing off Alistair is okay and making him a good, hardened king is okay as long as I can ultimately kill off Loghain and save his life. 

I can't stand Anora though, just an impossibility after playing a city elf.  So he's going to have to be a lonely figurehead.

My end game here's gonna go like this:

Morrigan:  *esc* *esc* *esc* Wolf form.
Alistair:  *listening intently*  (Okay, I can't actually escape through any of his dialogue and I get sad if I do.  I feel like the little Hobbit kids listening to Gandalf tell a story.  Gasps and "And THEN what happened?!")
Me:  I did not respec Oghren for nothing.  I know I've killed the Archdemon at least 30 times.
*collective gasps*
Me:  Don't ask!  Anyway.  Once more dear friends, into the breech!  On this St. Crispian - I mean Andraste's Day!
Sandal:  Enchantment!
Me:  I love you, little dude.  Let's go do this.

[Rathengar]

My first playthrou i was female , and of course made her fall in love with Alistair. I did however choose to let Loghain become a grey warden since i was playing with a good heart and everybody got a secound chance . I didtn know Alistair really would leave ... So off Alistair went. i was kinda let down and in a sad mood, until i realised he also toke away with all my best gear aswell ..then i was pissed too lol. But i did finish game and i let Loghain take the kill blow so he could die.



Loading is kinda cheat you cant load irl either ..you have to live with your choises. Thats how i play a game first time atleast. and yea i dont save either except a few times when i hade to close game down due to RL stuff.

I do load/save plenty of times in the following playthrou's to see all outcomes.



No im not bashing you guys , i love you all !!!

Im just telling how i play since iam bored irl and want to chat abit



And i love that respec mod its great even tho its abit cheat aswell hehe ..didtn use it before my 8th playthrou or something. Same with the party chest mod ..its super aswell

[Recidiva]

Good to see you Rathengar



My first playthrough was straight up no cheat, no reload and no redoing choices. Of course, playing on X-Box 360 on casual, you never die and never HAVE to reload and things just faint when you walk near them.



I'm enjoying tinkering with the game and seeing what choices affect changes in party dialogue, attitudes and the final epilogue.



Second game I did pretty much the same thing after checking a few spoilers and heading straight for taking Morrigan's deal. Which I didn't like either. Poor Alistair's face. Serious oogies.



So first game racked with grief, second game racked with guilt.



Third game I did both endings, Deal and No Deal.



This one I'm finally going to get my sacrifice.



Next game I'll be a guy so I can leave Alistair alone for once, hang out with Zevran and let Hardened Alistair go be a good King while I make Loghain sacrifice himself. So there's the "all four endings" achievement.



Hopefully I'll get the "75% side quests" done this play through.



Nugs make me crazy. There can't possibly be more out there. There can't. Unless they're all dead under a landslide or fell into lava.



Chatting, hijacking, and generally just saying hi - entirely appreciated. Think of it as charity and community service. I can't talk to pretend people all day. Well, I clearly can, but I probably shouldn't.



And real people haven't all played as much as I have and don't get what the hell I'm doing anyway.

[Keldon Northwind]

The only problem I have is that I'm too much of a nice guy to act like an ass on my playthroughs. The "lowest" I can sink is that I'm kind of a chaotic-neutral type. Doing good things here and there but prefer stuff that benefit me in the long run.

[Recidiva]

Keldon Northwind wrote...

The only problem I have is that I'm too much of a nice guy to act like an ass on my playthroughs. The "lowest" I can sink is that I'm kind of a chaotic-neutral type. Doing good things here and there but prefer stuff that benefit me in the long run.

I have trouble with that too.  I didn't finish my evil playthrough.  But as I've played good about four times, I either stop playing (possible) or start doing things I haven't done.

I have to build a character with the following prerequisites:

Complete packrat (to explain why I keep buying up elfroot) and an obsession with having to have 2000 poultices before I feel "safe"

I have to make my character criminally insane and deeply paranoid with trust an inaccesible no no.  Probably requiring a rich backstory of unprocessed childhood abuse and a history of mental illness in order to play an "evil" character.  So, elven city elf is perfect.  Make trust irrelevant and a myth and that removes a lot of the conscience and judgment.  Trust = Santa Claus.  Anybody selling it is cheating.

Must be male or else romance with Alistair is entirely too tempting.  However, this could work to my advantage as he'll be deeply annoying to my character and I'll have no problem with gaining his disfavor and having him shout "WHAT?!" at me every time you click on him in party.  Eventually even I can want to kill Alistair.  Probably will have Anora execute him.  Focus on him obviously being in over his head and expecting me to drag him out of everything.  Cut loose dead weight sort of thing.

Must want to surround myself with fools.  People are more easily manipulated if they lack IQ points.  Which is why I'd recruit Loghain because I'd consider him the biggest ****** in the history of the world.

I'd have to ignore Morrigan as she's too obviously and inexpertly playing everyone.  Probably hang out with Sten and Zev and Ogren, people who know the value of not having strong opinions.  Probably play a warrior and therefore try a four-person melee group and see how far that takes me.

[slackbheep]

Journal Entry #12



Well, It's as I feared. I've been force feeding so many Lyrium potions to Morrigan that my party stepped in and had an intervention when I suggested she began to just snort the dust. I was forced to postpone dealing with our commitment to the Dalish as a result ("What? Oh, no I found the ironwood no problem, Thanks!") Leaving Alistair and I no choice but to subsist on a purely elfroot based diet as we trek towards the Circle Tower in hopes of recruiting that chatty old bat I met at Ostagar. Meanwhile Leliana continues to insist that she is more useful to the party using her bow, rather than hurling health poultice vials at Alistair, as I've proposed she do. I've proposed a compromise which seems to be to her liking, it will require more research on the effectiveness of coating weapons with poultice rather than poison however.My only fear now is -- Oh lord Alistair is taunting the dog again...



--Priecis

City Elf Rogue

[mousestalker]

Scene: Four days after the grey warden, a dwarven rogue with maxed out stealing rescued Redcliffe.



Arl Eamon: Blast! Where is my cheese knife? Why is everything around here missing? No elfroot, no shields, no 'shrooms, why on earth did the demon want all those things and where did it put them? It even took Alistair's mum's amulet. I was hoping to surprise him with it as a wedding present.



Ban Teagan: The corpses seem to have taken everything down in the village as well. Dwyn says he's lost a sword that was locked up. The smith is drunk so it's hard to know what he's going on about, but some of his things are gone as well, apparently. I can't imagine what the walking dead want with private documents, but everyone has lost theirs.

[sagevallant]

Keldon Northwind wrote...

The only problem I have is that I'm too much of a nice guy to act like an ass on my playthroughs. The "lowest" I can sink is that I'm kind of a chaotic-neutral type. Doing good things here and there but prefer stuff that benefit me in the long run.

So true. On my current playthrough, I was dead-set on having templars in my army. Until I realized I wouldn't be able to save Connor that way without sacrificing his mom. Meh. So I reloaded my save and gave up on the templars. And I got my golems, and intend to get the werewolves... we'll see if I can carry through with that.

[sagevallant]

mousestalker wrote...

Scene: Four days after the grey warden, a dwarven rogue with maxed out stealing rescued Redcliffe.

Arl Eamon: Blast! Where is my cheese knife? Why is everything around here missing? No elfroot, no shields, no 'shrooms, why on earth did the demon want all those things and where did it put them? It even took Alistair's mum's amulet. I was hoping to surprise him with it as a wedding present.

Ban Teagan: The corpses seem to have taken everything down in the village as well. Dwyn says he's lost a sword that was locked up. The smith is drunk so it's hard to know what he's going on about, but some of his things are gone as well, apparently. I can't imagine what the walking dead want with private documents, but everyone has lost theirs.

Elfroot is now an extinct species throughout Fereldan.

[Recidiva]

*Saving Game...* flashes across the screen.



Me: Uh oh.

Group: What?

Me: Tell you later. Or sooner.

Oghren: Is it big? I still have Broodmother in my beard.

Shale: I'm going to have to have bits of Broodmother sand blasted out of my joints.

Me: I get to complain the most, as I had to attempt to flank her. NOT PRETTY. I ended up...INSIDE.

Wynne: *heavy, menacing breathing*

[GoldenusG]

Recidiva wrote...


I have to make my character criminally insane and deeply paranoid with trust an inaccesible no no.  Probably requiring a rich backstory of unprocessed childhood abuse and a history of mental illness in order to play an "evil" character.  So, elven city elf is perfect.  Make trust irrelevant and a myth and that removes a lot of the conscience and judgment.  Trust = Santa Claus.  Anybody selling it is cheating.

I got round it, by playing a whiny, self-obsessed, idiotic, snotty-nosed, emo-esque, Sephiroth loving, obnoxious, bratty, self-mutilating Legolas wannabe of a Dalish Knife-ear (Does anyone else think Dalish was a very poor choice of names?  I keep getting cravings for pastry whenever I see it), and channeling all my loathing of such people into him.  Sadly he'll survive, as he loves Loghains hair...

[Rathengar]

Good to "see" you too  Recidiva  

Guess i been away from forum a few days. DA kinda start to bore me i been throu it like 14 times now ..so i could get all achievements , and a ton of tries trying to get the Traveler achievement which i havent gotten yet !! So i kinda gave up. cant beleave so many get it first playthrou

I ended my evil game being Loghain, Shale and me (Rogue).   I hade killed the rest or made em leave when able.  I hade hard time pressing the key to start the evil act at times . 
But it was totally worth it , there is actualy some funny dialogs still even if you are evil or a dumb ass. Or maybe im just screwed up and think it funny.
I enjoyed sacrificing Isolde, just to enter the fade and have deamon sex for the boys life/freedom. It was just SO evil

[Recidiva]

sagevallant wrote...

So true. On my current playthrough, I was dead-set on having templars in my army. Until I realized I wouldn't be able to save Connor that way without sacrificing his mom. Meh. So I reloaded my save and gave up on the templars. And I got my golems, and intend to get the werewolves... we'll see if I can carry through with that.

Being evil takes more planning and you have fewer options. I did manage all the alternate allies.  But lack of elfroot is a killer.  And also having...well...no Leliana, no Wynne, Zevran pissed off at you for wiping out the Dalish...Alistair...let's not even discuss.   I sold all possible gifts or take the most "Oh, I found it on the side of the road" options, resulting in hatred and abandonment.

It's hard to be "true" to an evil character unless evil character realizes they NEED people.  In which case you just have a sick good character.

Or you have to be a complete sadist that enjoys other people's pain and lying to them.  I'm leaning that way as a roleplay, a sadist with a chronic pain problem, trust issues, and a poultice addiction.  I can't figure out how to be genuinely evil and spend the game fixing everyone else's problems.  Drug addicts are well motivated to get to the next score.  It'll be like handing over the Grey Wardens to a meth addict.  I'll probably back myself into another motivational corner, but it's possible.

I have more respect for evil than that.  I do.  My evil characters get incensed and end up shouting "OH COME ON!" and then heading to Orlais or Antiva in the middle of the night.  Can't be bothered.

It's hard enough as a good character to listen to Arl Eamon say "Go with this young woman."
"Which part of this does not scream TRAP in big glowing letters?"
"But we can't risk..."
"TRAP."
"But Anor..."
"TRAP."
"But framing me..."
"So you go."

I cannot bring myself to do certain things as evil.  It makes zero sense to take personal risk without absolute guarantee of gain up front.

[Recidiva]

GoldenusG wrote...

I got round it, by playing a whiny, self-obsessed, idiotic, snotty-nosed, emo-esque, Sephiroth loving, obnoxious, bratty, self-mutilating Legolas wannabe of a Dalish Knife-ear (Does anyone else think Dalish was a very poor choice of names?  I keep getting cravings for pastry whenever I see it), and channeling all my loathing of such people into him.  Sadly he'll survive, as he loves Loghains hair...

I might have to do that.

Yes, "Dalish" and "Chasind" are both very silly names.

I have just not managed to construct an evil character that makes it through the game.  I'm gonna have to go WAY out there in the motivation goodie bag.

I am Sephiroth loving.  So there's that.

I think the chronic pain thing will work.  I can relate to that and there are certainly times I want to tear nice people's faces off for daring to speak to me.  I'll just play the entire game as if I have a migraine and I want to kill the darkspawn so they will SHUT UP and I can get some sleep.

[Recidiva]

Rathengar wrote...

Good to "see" you too  Recidiva  

Guess i been away from forum a few days. DA kinda start to bore me i been throu it like 14 times now ..so i could get all achievements , and a ton of tries trying to get the Traveler achievement which i havent gotten yet !! So i kinda gave up. cant beleave so many get it first playthrou

I ended my evil game being Loghain, Shale and me (Rogue).   I hade killed the rest or made em leave when able.  I hade hard time pressing the key to start the evil act at times . 
But it was totally worth it , there is actualy some funny dialogs still even if you are evil or a dumb ass. Or maybe im just screwed up and think it funny.
I enjoyed sacrificing Isolde, just to enter the fade and have deamon sex for the boys life/freedom. It was just SO evil

DAO has ruined me for other games.  I canceled all my subscriptions to other games (a lot) and I'm just not ready to say good bye yet...

Fortunately harder settings means that a game takes on my schedule now, like...two weeks.  So I can ride this to the new year.

But I will be very sad, because once this thread lacks inspiration, there goes a whole lotta giggling from my day.  Now I'm playing the game to write the thread to play the game to write the...

And in between I do chores and work.  I'm very lucky I managed very little sleep deprivation over this whole thing.

[mousestalker]

I used to be able to roleplay evil, but as I've gotten older, I find myself thinking that the evil choices given are typically just rude. Were I to write the evil dialog, I'd have the 'well mannered villain' response given as a choice. Honestly, which villain is the more fun to play and likely to succeed: Ron Burgundy or Count Rugen from Princess Bride? Part of great villainy is presenting at least two faces to the world.



If we go to the trouble of maxing out cunning on our rogues, we should at least be able to be totally smarmy.

[Recidiva]

mousestalker wrote...

I used to be able to roleplay evil, but as I've gotten older, I find myself thinking that the evil choices given are typically just rude. Were I to write the evil dialog, I'd have the 'well mannered villain' response given as a choice. Honestly, which villain is the more fun to play and likely to succeed: Ron Burgundy or Count Rugen from Princess Bride? Part of great villainy is presenting at least two faces to the world.

If we go to the trouble of maxing out cunning on our rogues, we should at least be able to be totally smarmy.

KOTOR was an evil playground.  I couldn't bear the "good" story line and HK-47 and I hung out and had a blast.

Fable and Fable 2 I can be evil and Oblivion is nice when you can be any number of evil things at once and it has no effect on attitudes in game.

This game is just set up to be SOCIAL and for that, the most SOCIALLY benefical choices are clear.

I can't be my version of "So what?  What exactly are you going to do about it and where am I wrong?" evil here.  Too many witnesses.

But for the social game, it's the best, and I'm actually interested in making certain characters happy rather than hearing them yell at me for being stupid.  Which most of the evil choices actually ARE....since there are witnesses, which to any evil mind should scream "blackmail" and "liability" in big glowy letters.

I have no problem being evil in games where people are just helpless and stupid.  And there are SO many of those.  This one is hard for me because those helpless and stupid people are funny.  And one of them's a puppy.  I'm definitely more Count Rugen.  I'm really in personality much more like The Patrician from Discworld.  Only one with warm and rewarding human relationships.  And I love puppies.  And no interest in solving other people's problems.  So no politics for me, thanks.

Modifié par Recidiva, 06 décembre 2009 - 06:27 .

[mousestalker]

Four years after the Blight ended, the new village of Haven.



Guardian: What do you seek?



Haven housewife: Do we really have to go through all this? We had a wedding yesterday and I'm so hungover I could massacre all of Ferelden if it could be done silently. I need the Ashes.



Guardian: For a hangover?



Housewife: They served dwarven ale...



Guardian: You need the most sacred relic in the world, the ashes of the prophet Andraste, for a hangover?



Housewife: We have the Chantry to clean up and my kid's birthday is tomorrow. I need to bake his cake today while I have the time. And there is no way I'm creaming butter feeling like this. Last time he didn't get birthday cake everyone complained that he was saying creepy things for spite.



Guardian: You shall have to pass through the gauntlet.



Housewife:



Eight figues appear.



Housewife(quickly): A tune vengeance the mountains hunger dreams home jealousy mercy.



The figures look startled then disappear.



Her husband appears, rubs his head, looks at her with red eyes, moans softly and disappears.



She walks into the next room.



Doppleganger housewife: Merciful Maker, just how much did you have last night?



Housewife: No one told me it was Dwarven ale until it was too late. The sooner we fight, the sooner this all ends.



Doppleganger Housewife: It hurts too much to even think of fighting. You win.



Our heroine proceeds into the next room.



She slowly and painfully place lawn ornaments on the appropriate stones at the appropriate times. When the final lawn jockey is emplaced, she crosses over.



In the next chamber. she takes a slow look around, strips to her 'unmentionables' and passes through the fire.



The Guardian appears again, looks at her, shakes his head and walks away.



She takes a pinch of ashes, sprinkles them over herself and sighs in relief.