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[Cynistr]

Has anyone seen the conversation about celestial beings by some NPC at lake calenhad, behind the structure beside the mage collective liason? It was so random, I couldn't help laughing at the boils. I can't find the dialogue and couldn't get it to happen again even with previous saves though or I would post it =(

[Recidiva]

Cynistr wrote...

Has anyone seen the conversation about celestial beings by some NPC at lake calenhad, behind the structure beside the mage collective liason? It was so random, I couldn't help laughing at the boils. I can't find the dialogue and couldn't get it to happen again even with previous saves though or I would post it =(

Oooh!  I did - one of my favorites, I wrote it down:

Here!


Speaker 1: …isn’t that the point? We could all be figments of someone else’s imagination.
Speaker 2: Just players in a play?
Speaker 1: Exactly. You, I, everything- all a dream.
Speaker 2: But whose dream? And for whose amusement?
Speaker 1: Some being of cosmic power…sublime, enlightened beings.
Speaker 2: Cosmic power? What, you’re serious? They thought of all this grit, all the war, they bloody thought of boils? I’ve got a oil the size of your nose on my big toe, and some “beings” are enjoying this? Disturbed, sick bastards if you ask me.
Speaker 1: Ahem. I still maintain they’re…more enlightened than that.
Speaker 2: If I ever come across one of them, I’ll give them a what for.

[Cynistr]

I should have known you would! Lol have you seen the lake calenhad dialogue with morrigan? About mage prisons, and phallic objects? ^^

[Recidiva]

Cynistr wrote...

I should have known you would! Lol have you seen the lake calenhad dialogue with morrigan? About mage prisons, and phallic objects? ^^

I have!  

Actually that bit above and Brother Genitivi's "Lo, Willy toiled..." are the only ones I've written down as my two favorite bits of game writing.  Most of the rest I can get from a save game or a wiki quote.

[sagevallant]

Having just immediately had Leliana declare her love for me and then turn around and snap at me for sleeping with Morrigan (which is totally out of synch chronologically, Morrigan stopped sleeping with me while we were still in Orzammar for god's sake) I require a chance to vent. Seriously, this game needs to arrange chat options for nice people so they can convince the opposite sex characters to just be friends without going through the breakup routine. I've been going out of my way to not hit on Leliana, then I do her side quest and this happens. Bleh. At least she didn't attack me halfway through this time, I kept her off until 3/4 of the way through. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go ****** in the ashes of her god to keep her from falling in love with me.

[Shazzie]

Recidiva wrote...
*snip*
Me: Yes. Let's leave this golem here. I know! Let's at least make it comfortable. *our heroine spreads birdseed all around Shale, stuffing some in her upturned mouth. Also pulling a scarf from her pocket and wrapping it around her eyes.* There! Now it'll have birdsong for company and won't get any sun damage to its eyes. "You be happy, now, golem, nobody's ever going to bother you again! I have the rod and we promise we won't tell anybody the code words. Ever. Your secret is safe with us."
*snip*

I can hear Shale's screams in my mind.

That, right there, has to be the cruelest of the cruel for all companions!

[Recidiva]

sagevallant wrote...

Having just immediately had Leliana declare her love for me and then turn around and snap at me for sleeping with Morrigan (which is totally out of synch chronologically, Morrigan stopped sleeping with me while we were still in Orzammar for god's sake) I require a chance to vent. Seriously, this game needs to arrange chat options for nice people so they can convince the opposite sex characters to just be friends without going through the breakup routine. I've been going out of my way to not hit on Leliana, then I do her side quest and this happens. Bleh. At least she didn't attack me halfway through this time, I kept her off until 3/4 of the way through. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go ****** in the ashes of her god to keep her from falling in love with me.

This has truthiness.

Although I suppose it mirrors actual romantic shenanigans of people who are in high school.

"He looked at me, we're getting married!"

I haven't been in high school for a while and have been in the company of people for whom sex is not a mystery, and nor are the signals that lead to sex.  Being nice to someone is not it.  So I'm out of practice, I guess.

[Recidiva]

Shazzie wrote...

I can hear Shale's screams in my mind.

That, right there, has to be the cruelest of the cruel for all companions!

Oh thank you.  This is my brand of truly evil.  It's nice to be appreciated for being a vicious **** who has a sociopathic song in her heart.

[Dzikv]

Hmm... Last bit i want to add about Loghain.I think we are all missing this...

We do assume that the battle at Ostegard (sp?) would be won if he joined it don't we? What if that is not the case?

I wonder IF he was overlooking the battlefield from the hill above maybe he saw that it was a catastrophe and nothing could be salvaged from it? We assume he ran because he 1) Wanted a shot at the throne, 2) was to afraid of orleasians 3)Had some "unreasonable" lack of faith in an ancient order of werid warriors known as the Grey wardens could alone end the blight. But what if it is not really the case?

What if he saved the day by saving his force for another battle? He never really took a shot at the throne... He never really deposed Anora... All he wanted was to unite fereldan again at all costs (poisoning the loyalist Arl Emon to prevent  civil war)...

We won't know but the situation when you look at it from another persons perspective not the PCs isn't so clear..... We are just "forced" by it to assume he is a bad, bad man.

Anyway... Recidiva... The birdseed and scarf for shale... Perfect. Made me giggle.

Modifié par Dzikv, 15 décembre 2009 - 12:08 .

[Zenocrate]

The very least Loghain could have done is organize a strike force to extract the king. If he could successfully retreat at that late in the battle with thousands of soldiers, he sure as heck could have gone in with a couple battalions, grabbed the king, and double-timed it to catch up with the main group.

Cailan had shown he was willing to collaborate with the Orleasians and that was enough to earn a death sentence from Loghain. Ostagar was a convenience. I'd be willing to bet Loghain would have had Anora poison Cailan as soon as Cailan showed any sympathy towards Orlais (and given her character, I don't doubt she'd do it....good grief, what I'd give for a mod allowing the beheading of Anora in the storyline, or worse if possible).

Modifié par Zenocrate, 15 décembre 2009 - 01:32 .

[Asylumer]

Bryce: "I'm sorry pup; I didn't see you there. Howe, you remember my son?"
Howe: "I see he's grown into a-- "
*chop*
Me: "Decapitatioooooon!"

Guess which game I finished before picking up Dragon Age

[sagevallant]

Asylumer wrote...

Bryce: "I'm sorry pup; I didn't see you there. Howe, you remember my son?"
Howe: "I see he's grown into a-- "
*chop*
Me: "Decapitatioooooon!"

Guess which game I finished before picking up Dragon Age

Bryce: OHMYGOD! WHAT DID YOU DO THAT FOR?!

Me: For my niece and nephew.

Bryce: WHAT?

Me: You'll never know, dad. Thanks to me. Hey, mutt, time for dinner! (dog comes running in to clean up the mess)

Bryce:.... Clearly, you take after your mother.

Me: I don't care who I take after. Point is, now we're not all going to die horribly, and I don't have to join the Grey Wardens. That f***ing dragon is no longer my problem. But you go right ahead and take the soldiers to Ostagar, I'm just going to relax here with about a dozen of the servant girls. When Loghain does, well, you'll know it when he does it, but when he does it just run away with everyone else and come back here. Don't worry about Fergus, he'll be fine.

Duncan: Your son would make an excellent Grey Warden. I've never seen such a perfectly thorough decapitation.

Me: No way. Not doing it.

[Razzeer]

Ok ... I left for about a week and I don't have time to read all of the entries in this forum at the moment. I may have to print this book out to read during my moments of personal time. It's just too precious to skip over. --- just have to find a printer ><

[Xeyska]

Alistair: I don't know how to say this another way. I want to spend the night with you. Here, in the camp. Maybe this is too fast, I don't know, but... I know what I feel.
Me: Aww...Alistair, I feel the same way.



Alistair: Umm....Xylia, is this suppose to happen?
Me: I don't really know Alistair, but I just love fondling your shield.

Modifié par Xeyska, 15 décembre 2009 - 06:27 .

[Cynistr]

I've had a few awkward glitches myself lol. They can really ruin the moment sometimes.

[Servant of Nature]

Leliana kind of has a "WTF" face too. Priceless. :3

[Zandilar]

Heya,

Recidiva wrote...
Not my most satisfying game as I really didn't take anything for my character, it was geared toward benig the most selfless but also ended up being heartless.   No real attachment to the ending other than the best for everyone else, and basically getting the shaft myself.  Leliana wanted to travel but that only got her staying with me "for a time."

My first time through the game was as a selfless elven mage... I think you misread the ending for your PC and Leliana, it says they travelled together adventuring for a time, at least that's how I read it. It doesn't say what happened after that, and I like to imagine that Neria (my PC) and Leliana came back to Ferelden and settled down, as much as those two ever could (or settled back into the role of Warden and companion at least). That's the beauty of a somewhat ambigious ending - you can read into it what you will.

Mind you, Grey Wardens have short lives anyway - at the end of which they head down into the Deep Roads and kill Darkspawn until they die... The voice of the (remaining) archdemons become siren calls to them. I think the implication is that they (wardens) have about 30 years at most after the Joining before they go on their suicide run. Which makes me wonder what would happen to Alistair if he were King? He wouldn't rule for very long, and Wardens don't tend to be particularly fertile either due to their taint (and this would be especially bad if he was ruling with the female human Noble PC at his side, since it would be a double dose of low fertility!), so sireing an heir might be a problem for him. (All stuff that did come up in the game at points, in the codex, stuff Wynne and Duncan said, and whatnot, but don't ask me to look it all up... lol)

Also, I just wanted to say that as much as I was enjoying the thread, I gave up on reading it all the way through due to the relentless Leliana bashing. Being quite an unabashed Leliana fan, I think a lot of people who posted in the first 10 or 12 pages misread Leliana quite badly (either that, or I'm just blind and a sucker for a pseudo-french accent!)... Aside from that, you have some real talent Recidiva. 

[Recidiva]

Dzikv wrote...

Hmm... Last bit i want to add about Loghain.I think we are all missing this...

We do assume that the battle at Ostegard (sp?) would be won if he joined it don't we? What if that is not the case?

I wonder IF he was overlooking the battlefield from the hill above maybe he saw that it was a catastrophe and nothing could be salvaged from it? We assume he ran because he 1) Wanted a shot at the throne, 2) was to afraid of orleasians 3)Had some "unreasonable" lack of faith in an ancient order of werid warriors known as the Grey wardens could alone end the blight. But what if it is not really the case?

What if he saved the day by saving his force for another battle? He never really took a shot at the throne... He never really deposed Anora... All he wanted was to unite fereldan again at all costs (poisoning the loyalist Arl Emon to prevent  civil war)...

We won't know but the situation when you look at it from another persons perspective not the PCs isn't so clear..... We are just "forced" by it to assume he is a bad, bad man.

Anyway... Recidiva... The birdseed and scarf for shale... Perfect. Made me giggle.

The bit about Loghain is more answerable for me with a few bits and pieces from the game.  First off, Duncan thought the plan would work.  As he wasn't interested in getting wiped out, it makes no sense for him to review the plans and then not voice any concerns or reservations.  He was putting his own life and the lives of the Grey Wardens at stake.  Though he might have thought the King wasn't taking it seriously enough, I believe he would have done more to protest had he been completely aware the plan was crap.

Second, through playing the game, and from seeing Loghain at the "call them off" cutscene, he's not even surveying the battlefield or concerned at all about the battle.  He's not making a choice, the choice was already made.  The game lets you know that some troops were aware before the beacon was lit that they were going to be pulling out.  I can't come to any other conclusion other than that he lied to the king and Duncan about his intentions and then used his strategic withdrawal to wipe out political opposition and clear his way to making himself de facto King of Ferelden.  He used that battle to serve his own political needs and to consolidate his power.  Since that's what happened, I'd have to say if he's that amazing of a strategist, it makes more sense to assume he planned that and that was the proposed outcome.

That's the only way he can remain a good strategist in my head in any way.  Otherwise his choice cost the lives of thousands of soldiers that he vowed to protect by sending in the cavalry, he either failed as a strategist by formulating a good strategy before battle, or he failed as a general by not carrying out the strategy that was agreed upon, and he certainly failed in any military code of "leave no man behind."   Certainly not someone I'd want in any level of power where he's able to assign human lives as resources, without any respect for them.

In this case, he looks like a paranoid power-hungry duck, he quacks like a paranoid power-hungry duck and there's really very little reason for me to decide he's actually an upstanding duck.

I recruited him and asked him questions and they didn't get any clearer.  He was still a paranoid power-hungry duck with lots of excuses, but no answers that made some sort of "epiphany" sense in any way.  He remained exactly the same person he was.  And a vague "my bad" when you beat him at Landsmeet or he apologizes for being foolish before killing the archdemon doesn't really qualify as remorse.  Not when we're talking the crushing weight that should have been on anyone's conscience.  Had they had one.

[Recidiva]

Zandilar wrote...

My first time through the game was as a selfless elven mage... I think you misread the ending for your PC and Leliana, it says they travelled together adventuring for a time, at least that's how I read it. It doesn't say what happened after that, and I like to imagine that Neria (my PC) and Leliana came back to Ferelden and settled down, as much as those two ever could (or settled back into the role of Warden and companion at least). That's the beauty of a somewhat ambigious ending - you can read into it what you will.

Mind you, Grey Wardens have short lives anyway - at the end of which they head down into the Deep Roads and kill Darkspawn until they die... The voice of the (remaining) archdemons become siren calls to them. I think the implication is that they (wardens) have about 30 years at most after the Joining before they go on their suicide run. Which makes me wonder what would happen to Alistair if he were King? He wouldn't rule for very long, and Wardens don't tend to be particularly fertile either due to their taint (and this would be especially bad if he was ruling with the female human Noble PC at his side, since it would be a double dose of low fertility!), so sireing an heir might be a problem for him. (All stuff that did come up in the game at points, in the codex, stuff Wynne and Duncan said, and whatnot, but don't ask me to look it all up... lol)

Also, I just wanted to say that as much as I was enjoying the thread, I gave up on reading it all the way through due to the relentless Leliana bashing. Being quite an unabashed Leliana fan, I think a lot of people who posted in the first 10 or 12 pages misread Leliana quite badly (either that, or I'm just blind and a sucker for a pseudo-french accent!)... Aside from that, you have some real talent Recidiva. 

Oh, well, my previous game was Leliana friendly.  I kinda bashed everyone  

Hopefully mostly myself, really. 

And thank you

[Recidiva]

Xeyska wrote...

Me: I don't really know Alistair, but I just love fondling your shield.

I've had that happen a few times.  And then it is pretty much the standard for that scene.  Can't get it to go back.  So yes, another shield fondler here.

[sagevallant]

Recidiva wrote...

Dzikv wrote...

Hmm... Last bit i want to add about Loghain.I think we are all missing this...

We do assume that the battle at Ostegard (sp?) would be won if he joined it don't we? What if that is not the case?

I wonder IF he was overlooking the battlefield from the hill above maybe he saw that it was a catastrophe and nothing could be salvaged from it? We assume he ran because he 1) Wanted a shot at the throne, 2) was to afraid of orleasians 3)Had some "unreasonable" lack of faith in an ancient order of werid warriors known as the Grey wardens could alone end the blight. But what if it is not really the case?

What if he saved the day by saving his force for another battle? He never really took a shot at the throne... He never really deposed Anora... All he wanted was to unite fereldan again at all costs (poisoning the loyalist Arl Emon to prevent  civil war)...

We won't know but the situation when you look at it from another persons perspective not the PCs isn't so clear..... We are just "forced" by it to assume he is a bad, bad man.

Anyway... Recidiva... The birdseed and scarf for shale... Perfect. Made me giggle.

The bit about Loghain is more answerable for me with a few bits and pieces from the game.  First off, Duncan thought the plan would work.  As he wasn't interested in getting wiped out, it makes no sense for him to review the plans and then not voice any concerns or reservations.  He was putting his own life and the lives of the Grey Wardens at stake.  Though he might have thought the King wasn't taking it seriously enough, I believe he would have done more to protest had he been completely aware the plan was crap.

Second, through playing the game, and from seeing Loghain at the "call them off" cutscene, he's not even surveying the battlefield or concerned at all about the battle.  He's not making a choice, the choice was already made.  The game lets you know that some troops were aware before the beacon was lit that they were going to be pulling out.  I can't come to any other conclusion other than that he lied to the king and Duncan about his intentions and then used his strategic withdrawal to wipe out political opposition and clear his way to making himself de facto King of Ferelden.  He used that battle to serve his own political needs and to consolidate his power.  Since that's what happened, I'd have to say if he's that amazing of a strategist, it makes more sense to assume he planned that and that was the proposed outcome.

That's the only way he can remain a good strategist in my head in any way.  Otherwise his choice cost the lives of thousands of soldiers that he vowed to protect by sending in the cavalry, he either failed as a strategist by formulating a good strategy before battle, or he failed as a general by not carrying out the strategy that was agreed upon, and he certainly failed in any military code of "leave no man behind."   Certainly not someone I'd want in any level of power where he's able to assign human lives as resources, without any respect for them.

In this case, he looks like a paranoid power-hungry duck, he quacks like a paranoid power-hungry duck and there's really very little reason for me to decide he's actually an upstanding duck.

I recruited him and asked him questions and they didn't get any clearer.  He was still a paranoid power-hungry duck with lots of excuses, but no answers that made some sort of "epiphany" sense in any way.  He remained exactly the same person he was.  And a vague "my bad" when you beat him at Landsmeet or he apologizes for being foolish before killing the archdemon doesn't really qualify as remorse.  Not when we're talking the crushing weight that should have been on anyone's conscience.  Had they had one.

Even Duncan did suggest at one point that they could use more men, in a very polite way as opposed to Loghain's constant whining. He dropped the hint that Arl Eamon could bring reinforcements quickly if called for. Which is probably not true by the time he says it, considering Eamon's near death by the time you get there after Ostagar. I mean, there's no reason to NOT have all the soldier you can gather, other than Cailan wanting to be King Cool. My first playthrough I felt like Cailan was being an idiot. And then Loghain did his thing, and I basically went "WHAT? Oh, sh*t! >_<"

[Recidiva]

sagevallant wrote...

Even Duncan did suggest at one point that they could use more men, in a very polite way as opposed to Loghain's constant whining. He dropped the hint that Arl Eamon could bring reinforcements quickly if called for. Which is probably not true by the time he says it, considering Eamon's near death by the time you get there after Ostagar. I mean, there's no reason to NOT have all the soldier you can gather, other than Cailan wanting to be King Cool. My first playthrough I felt like Cailan was being an idiot. And then Loghain did his thing, and I basically went "WHAT? Oh, sh*t! >_<"

Well, Cailan had won three battles so far.  He was disappointed there wasn't more of a challenge.  That doesn't mean he was sitting in his tent playing...video games...*cough*

If you consider that the darkspawn sent out a few raiding parties and then saved the main host for the final battle, it's still not as if Cailan hadn't gone to battle before and hadn't, in fact, won against them.  So although he might have been "King Cool" in his head, he wasn't "King Slaughter Everyone Who Disagrees With Him" and apparently that's what it took to win the game one way or the other.

Had Loghain at least sent a message saying "WHOAH...that's a lot of darkspawn!" and Cailan had been able to say "Dude, no ****." "Bug out?" "Yeah, bug out.  Yikes."

They had messengers.  I saw one during my final onslaught in Denerim. We were sending messages and stuff.  Could have helped.  Instead, no message, no reinforcements, king chow.

I can't read that any other way than Loghain making a power grab.  Otherwise there would have been cutscenes of Loghain desperately writing notes and using megaphones and semaphore. 

And what's with poisoning Arl Eamon if he's some sort of "Gosh, that's a lot of darkspawn!" guy.  It was all intended to be a fatal coup.   He was then going about removing anybody who could even defend Cailan's memory or pose any military or political threat. 

You can't argue that Loghain didn't plan ahead.  He did.  He had the poison and the troop pull-out already planned way before Ostagar.  So if he's to remain a good strategist, he does so because he's only strategizing for himself and his own personal gain.  So he can retain "strategist" as a title.  But he can't retain sane, measured or good in any way.

[mousestalker]

Recidiva wrote...

sagevallant wrote...

Even Duncan did suggest at one point that they could use more men, in a very polite way as opposed to Loghain's constant whining. He dropped the hint that Arl Eamon could bring reinforcements quickly if called for. Which is probably not true by the time he says it, considering Eamon's near death by the time you get there after Ostagar. I mean, there's no reason to NOT have all the soldier you can gather, other than Cailan wanting to be King Cool. My first playthrough I felt like Cailan was being an idiot. And then Loghain did his thing, and I basically went "WHAT? Oh, sh*t! >_<"

Well, Cailan had won three battles so far.  He was disappointed there wasn't more of a challenge.  That doesn't mean he was sitting in his tent playing...video games...*cough*

If you consider that the darkspawn sent out a few raiding parties and then saved the main host for the final battle, it's still not as if Cailan hadn't gone to battle before and hadn't, in fact, won against them.  So although he might have been "King Cool" in his head, he wasn't "King Slaughter Everyone Who Disagrees With Him" and apparently that's what it took to win the game one way or the other.

Had Loghain at least sent a message saying "WHOAH...that's a lot of darkspawn!" and Cailan had been able to say "Dude, no ****." "Bug out?" "Yeah, bug out.  Yikes."

They had messengers.  I saw one during my final onslaught in Denerim. We were sending messages and stuff.  Could have helped.  Instead, no message, no reinforcements, king chow.

I can't read that any other way than Loghain making a power grab.  Otherwise there would have been cutscenes of Loghain desperately writing notes and using megaphones and semaphore. 

And what's with poisoning Arl Eamon if he's some sort of "Gosh, that's a lot of darkspawn!" guy.  It was all intended to be a fatal coup.   He was then going about removing anybody who could even defend Cailan's memory or pose any military or political threat. 

You can't argue that Loghain didn't plan ahead.  He did.  He had the poison and the troop pull-out already planned way before Ostagar.  So if he's to remain a good strategist, he does so because he's only strategizing for himself and his own personal gain.  So he can retain "strategist" as a title.  But he can't retain sane, measured or good in any way.

Agreed. Look at the human noble origin as well. Howe launches a strike against the second most powerful family in Ferelden. Wiping out almost everyone. Howe is a obnoxious, disliked and a schemer, but he's not an idiot. That attack doesn't happen unless he thinks he has back up. Which given that he becomes Loghain's enforcer means the attack is part of Loghain's plans. 

We can see the outline of what the plan was from what happened. Howe takes out the Couslands and causes turmoil at worst in the north and at best secures it for Loghain. The bulk of the potential opposition gets wiped out at Ostagar as well as the remaining Couslands. Redcliffe gets neutralized by poisoning Arl Eamon via a patsy (Jowan). The capitol has its attention diverted by staging a pogrom in the Alienage (I'm convinced that the elf origin character provides the pretext for an existing plan). Uldred stages his coup at the Circle and either succeeds, which adds to Loghains power base, or fails and leaves the Circle in turmoil and weakened.

If all goes well, Loghain is left in control, with a scattered opposition, a puppet on the throne, mages owing him loyalty and the only standing army at his beck and call.

Apparently Anora had some feeling for Cailan and so mistrusted her father, two Grey Wardens and the Cousland heir survived Ostagar, Jowan didn't succeed quite as well as he should have and (if the human noble origin is in play) Howe missed a Cousland at Highever. The coup fails at the Tower.

Oh and all his calculations depend upon it not really being a Blight.

No wonder Loghain's eyes are hollowed and he's grumpy. He's had a bad year.

Modifié par mousestalker, 15 décembre 2009 - 05:08 .

[Recidiva]

mousestalker wrote...

Agreed. Look at the human noble origin as well. Howe launches a strike against the second most powerful family in Ferelden. Wiping out almost everyone. Howe is a obnoxious, disliked and a schemer, but he's not an idiot. That attack doesn't happen unless he thinks he has back up. Which given that he becomes Loghain's enforcer means the attack is part of Loghain's plans. 

We can see the outline of what the plan was from what happened. Howe takes out the Couslands and causes turmoil at worst in the north and at best secures it for Loghain. The bulk of the potential opposition gets wiped out at Ostagar as well as the remaining Couslands. Redcliffe gets neutralized by poisoning Arl Eamon via a patsy (Jowan). The capitol has its attention diverted by staging a pogrom in the Alienage (I'm convinced that the elf origin character provides the pretext for an existing plan). Uldred stages his coup at the Circle and either succeeds, which adds to Loghains power base, or fails and leaves the Circle in turmoil and weakened.

If all goes well, Loghain is left in control, with a scattered opposition, a puppet on the throne, mages owing him loyalty and the only standing army at his beck and call.

Apparently Anora had some feeling for Cailan and so mistrusted her father, two Grey Wardens and the Cousland heir survived Ostagar, Jowan didn't succeed quite as well as he should have and (if the human noble origin is in play) Howe missed a Cousland at Highever. The coup fails at the Tower.

Oh and all his calculations depend upon it not really being a Blight.

No wonder Loghain's eyes are hollowed and he's grumpy. He's had a bad year.

Arguing for Loghain makes about as much sense as arguing that the Sloth demon really has your best interests at heart.  "Well, he really wants you to have a nice rest."  "But he's trying to make everyone happy!  Isn't that a good thing!"  "You're so hard on him!  Just because he didn't provide you with the best fantasy...c'mon, give him a chance, he seems sincere."

I've certainly contributed Loghain's very bad year.  Go me!

[Asylumer]

sagevallant wrote...

Bryce: OHMYGOD! WHAT DID YOU DO THAT FOR?!

Me: For my niece and nephew.

Bryce: WHAT?

Me: You'll never know, dad. Thanks to me. Hey, mutt, time for dinner! (dog comes running in to clean up the mess)

Bryce:.... Clearly, you take after your mother.

Heh, I was thinking more along the lines of:

Bryce: "What in the Maker's name did you do that for?! You just murdered Howe in cold blood!"

Me: "Oh come on. He was voiced by Tim Curry, so you KNOW he's a bad guy."

Bryce: "Ah, good point."