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[Sialater]

Have you warned her about the heartbreak ahead of her and to stick with her own race?

[mousestalker]

Sixth Circle of Hell (Nomenclature and Designation Assignments Section)
Vampire: I'm here to apply for a name.
Clerk: Fill out Form 4598-A(1-3) and come back when you've completed it.
Vampire: I've already done that. Here it is.
Clerk: Let's see. This looks in order. All in blood?
Vampire: Of course.
Clerk: Sorry, the name you want is taken.
Vampire: Someone already grabbed Nosferatu? What about Nosferatu1 ?
Clerk: Sorry. Taken.
Vampire: Nosferatu666?
Clerk: Taken
Vampire: N0sf3r2?
Clerk: Taken
Vampire: Nosfurratoo?
Clerk: Taken
Vampire: NosyFurryTwo?
Clerk: Sorry. Taken.

-Two thousand names later-
Vampire: Sod it, just put me down as another Abomination
Clerk: As you like.

from: Why There Are No Vampires in Thedas by Brother Genitivi based upon his research at the Tomb of Andraste.

Modifié par mousestalker, 21 décembre 2009 - 03:14 .

[Sialater]

~giggles~



Yeah, hats off to the Buffys (Buffies?) and the Bills.

[Recidiva]

Sialater wrote...

Have you warned her about the heartbreak ahead of her and to stick with her own race?

No, I'm just letting her know about game mechanics and the boy is sworn to secrecy and warnings of having to go to his room.

No spoilers from me. 

Poor thing.

[Recidiva]

mousestalker wrote...

Sixth Circle of Hell (Nomenclature and Designation Assignments Section)
Vampire: I'm here to apply for a name.
Clerk: Fill out Form 4598-A(1-3) and come back when you've completed it.
Vampire: I've already done that. Here it is.
Clerk: Let's see. This looks in order. All in blood?
Vampire: Of course.
Clerk: Sorry, the name you want is taken.
Vampire: Someone already grabbed Nosferatu? What about Nosferatu1 ?
Clerk: Sorry. Taken.
Vampire: Nosferatu666?
Clerk: Taken
Vampire: N0sf3r2?
Clerk: Taken
Vampire: Nosfurratoo?
Clerk: Taken
Vampire: NosyFurryTwo?
Clerk: Sorry. Taken.

-Two thousand names later-
Vampire: Sod it, just put me down as another Abomination
Clerk: As you like.

from: Why There Are No Vampires in Thedas by Brother Genitivi based upon his research at the Tomb of Andraste.

I have seen Gandalf, Drizzt and Legolas's names be taken in vain...so many times...

Amen.

[Sialater]

Problem is, by themselves, those names are really dumb. It was what the characters DID that made the names. Darth Vader by any other name would still scare the pants off my 3 year old self. Darth Vader down at the 7/11 behind the counter is just some creepy kid with asthma.





My first time playing, I was actually expecting "Alistair" to betray you. Because it's usually a villain's name, thanks to Allister Crowley.

[mousestalker]

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Have you warned her about the heartbreak ahead of her and to stick with her own race?

No, I'm just letting her know about game mechanics and the boy is sworn to secrecy and warnings of having to go to his room.

No spoilers from me. 

Poor thing.

I hope you won't let her try every possible variation of the archdemon fight to prevent Alistair from offing himself (if she doesn't accept Morrigan's proposal). That part of the game actually got to me.

[Recidiva]

mousestalker wrote...

I hope you won't let her try every possible variation of the archdemon fight to prevent Alistair from offing himself (if she doesn't accept Morrigan's proposal). That part of the game actually got to me.

No, I won't.  And then I'll show her the mod I have where I can punch him and take the sacrifice ending anyway. 

Instant therapy and saving a month's worth of angst.  Crying's one thing, being helpless is another.

I compare that part of the game to being forced to taking Morrigan's deal.  Entirely...wrong...

[Recidiva]

Sialater wrote...

Problem is, by themselves, those names are really dumb. It was what the characters DID that made the names. Darth Vader by any other name would still scare the pants off my 3 year old self. Darth Vader down at the 7/11 behind the counter is just some creepy kid with asthma.

My first time playing, I was actually expecting "Alistair" to betray you. Because it's usually a villain's name, thanks to Allister Crowley.

Heh.  My first playthrough I expected Loghain to be an abomination.

I never expected Alistair to betray me.  Which is why when he did at Landsmeet, and then by offing himself anyway, I was devastated.

[Sialater]

Well, the Logain I'm familiar with is actually a "good guy." So, yeah, I totally expected them, in a small part of my mind, to switch on me. Instead, I just got dumped. ~sniffle~

[Recidiva]

Sialater wrote...

Well, the Logain I'm familiar with is actually a "good guy." So, yeah, I totally expected them, in a small part of my mind, to switch on me. Instead, I just got dumped. ~sniffle~

It sounds as if the Loghain from the books and the Loghain from the game are entirely disconnected from each other.  

At best it seems like bad writing with good intentions.

At worst it seems like a total bait and switch.  

I don't really see the point to building up such a sympathetic hero just to trash them.  Seems incredibly manipulative.

[Sialater]

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Well, the Logain I'm familiar with is actually a "good guy." So, yeah, I totally expected them, in a small part of my mind, to switch on me. Instead, I just got dumped. ~sniffle~

It sounds as if the Loghain from the books and the Loghain from the game are entirely disconnected from each other.  

At best it seems like bad writing with good intentions.

At worst it seems like a total bait and switch.  

I don't really see the point to building up such a sympathetic hero just to trash them.  Seems incredibly manipulative.

I suppose I should identify which Logain.  I'm talking about the one from the series, Wheel of Time.

I haven't read the supplemental books, yet, though I plan to.

[tigrina]

Recidiva wrote...
I don't really see the point to building up such a sympathetic hero just to trash them.  Seems incredibly manipulative.

I totally disagree here. You can say a lot about Loghain, but not that he was simply a hero. There were over 80 pages of discussion about whether the guy was actually 'good' or 'bad' in the first book (on the old forums).

Modifié par tigrina, 21 décembre 2009 - 03:51 .

[Adanu]

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Well, the Logain I'm familiar with is actually a "good guy." So, yeah, I totally expected them, in a small part of my mind, to switch on me. Instead, I just got dumped. ~sniffle~

It sounds as if the Loghain from the books and the Loghain from the game are entirely disconnected from each other.  

At best it seems like bad writing with good intentions.

At worst it seems like a total bait and switch.  

I don't really see the point to building up such a sympathetic hero just to trash them.  Seems incredibly manipulative.

It've been five years since the death of Maric. Before, he was the one who kept Loghain in check.. Once he was gone, his paranoia was set loose and eventually he even saw Cailan as a possible threat... at which point he laid down the plans which led to Ostagar.

A man of that much willpower does not break, he changes.

[Recidiva]

Sialater wrote...

I suppose I should identify which Logain.  I'm talking about the one from the series, Wheel of Time.

I haven't read the supplemental books, yet, though I plan to.

I haven't read the supplemental books either.  But I'm sympathetic to players who can't reconcile book Loghain with game Loghain.

It's insanely complicated, and it's nice that there are so many ways to interpret it.  Having not read the books, and with only the game to go on, I have negative sympathy.  There's nothing in the game of the book hero.  Not that I can see anyway. 

[Recidiva]

tigrina wrote...

I totally disagree here. You can say a lot about Loghain, but not that he was simply a hero. There were over 80 pages of discussion about whether the guy was actually 'good' or 'bad' in the first book (on the old forums).

Heh.  There's none of that in the game that I can see.  As I judge someone on their actions and not their words, I only see nasty consequences.

[Recidiva]

Adanu wrote...

It've been five years since the death of Maric. Before, he was the one who kept Loghain in check.. Once he was gone, his paranoia was set loose and eventually he even saw Cailan as a possible threat... at which point he laid down the plans which led to Ostagar.

A man of that much willpower does not break, he changes.

He looks broken to me.

It's not about willpower, it's about judgment.  As in...his is all bad.  Now, anyway.

[Sialater]

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I suppose I should identify which Logain.  I'm talking about the one from the series, Wheel of Time.

I haven't read the supplemental books, yet, though I plan to.

I haven't read the supplemental books either.  But I'm sympathetic to players who can't reconcile book Loghain with game Loghain.

It's insanely complicated, and it's nice that there are so many ways to interpret it.  Having not read the books, and with only the game to go on, I have negative sympathy.  There's nothing in the game of the book hero.  Not that I can see anyway. 

If what I've read on the forums is any indication, I can see where book Loghain would turn into game Loghain.  Obsession is a BAD THING.  He's Homocidal Cullen, writ large.

[mousestalker]

Sialater wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I suppose I should identify which Logain.  I'm talking about the one from the series, Wheel of Time.

I haven't read the supplemental books, yet, though I plan to.

I haven't read the supplemental books either.  But I'm sympathetic to players who can't reconcile book Loghain with game Loghain.

It's insanely complicated, and it's nice that there are so many ways to interpret it.  Having not read the books, and with only the game to go on, I have negative sympathy.  There's nothing in the game of the book hero.  Not that I can see anyway. 

If what I've read on the forums is any indication, I can see where book Loghain would turn into game Loghain.  Obsession is a BAD THING.  He's Homocidal Cullen, writ large.

Yes. Or a much younger Zathrian.

[tigrina]

Recidiva wrote...

tigrina wrote...
I totally disagree here. You can say a lot about Loghain, but not that he was simply a hero. There were over 80 pages of discussion about whether the guy was actually 'good' or 'bad' in the first book (on the old forums).

Heh.  There's none of that in the game that I can see.  As I judge someone on their actions and not their words, I only see nasty consequences.

Oh yes, I agree he totally lost it and well you can see that very early in game. I just don't think he is inconsistent with the books though.

[Recidiva]

Sialater wrote...

If what I've read on the forums is any indication, I can see where book Loghain would turn into game Loghain.  Obsession is a BAD THING.  He's Homocidal Cullen, writ large.

I guess I just can't really.  It's not...it doesn't hang together in a psychological clinical sense.

I guess that's part of my problem, there are all these different aspects of a personality cobbled together into a Frankenstein monster.

It doesn't hang together for me.  Being a strategic genius...which has to do with choosing a side and preserving the lives of one side...does not translate into suddenly taking no strategic interest in preserving any of the assets you possess.  And any political leader must know that integrity is one of the greatest assets that can be commanded.  He trashed it at Ostagar.  Exposed himself to a civil war, which happened immediately, and eliminated all all allies with integrity from cooperating with him.  Which happened immediately.

The only variable that makes sense getting plugged in is "crazy" and actually, I'm tired of bad guys always pulling the "crazy" card to write off why they did what they did.  Lazy.

[Recidiva]

tigrina wrote...

Oh yes, I agree he totally lost it and well you can see that very early in game. I just don't think he is inconsistent with the books though.

Yeah, but why do something like that, create a human character with depth and integrity and then go "Oh, he's crazy now."

Cheap.

[tigrina]

Recidiva wrote...

tigrina wrote...
Oh yes, I agree he totally lost it and well you can see that very early in game. I just don't think he is inconsistent with the books though.

Yeah, but why do something like that, create a human character with depth and integrity and then go "Oh, he's crazy now."
Cheap.

Did you actually read the books? I'm not really trying to start a full blown Loghain character dissection session right here (since I rather don't do that at all), but there is hints of 'crazy' all over. And he still does the thing he thinks is right in his book. I find the 'cheap' remark rather cheap.

[Sialater]

She admitted she didn't, tigrina. She's going off what she's read here. To some, the Hero of River Dane shouldn't be the lunatic we get in the game and resorting to the insanity plea is a weak plot device.



Since I've had way too many books/games/movies do that lately, I agree. Why can't we just have someone who's just bad to the bone without a broken childhood/crazy obsession/lost sled for a reason?

[Recidiva]

tigrina wrote...

Did you actually read the books? I'm not really trying to start a full blown Loghain character dissection session right here (since I rather don't do that at all), but there is hints of 'crazy' all over. And he still does the thing he thinks is right in his book. I find the 'cheap' remark rather cheap.

Oh, okay.  No, really, I'm probing because I don't have all the information, so if my comment gets me information, I'm good.

My viewpoint is of someone who played the game who saw absolutely nothing redeemable in Loghain whatsoever under any circumstances.  Nothing for me to sympathize with or care for or be interested in at all.

Then I see people say they really, really like him and that transferred over to the game.

I just think that people who really really liked him would feel extra special betrayed then.  It's the sympathy thing in context that's of interest.  I'm totally ignorant of anything other than what I've seen posted here.  I care about why someone I like in this thread likes Loghain...sorta thing.

If I'm wrong, I'm cool and actually happy to be corrected on it.  Can't figure it out if I don't ask, right?  Not that I'm gonna read the books myself, and that is actually cheap because my curiosity is frankly...very casual.  This is my manner of kitten chasing after loose string.

And this from someone who always roots for Hannibal Lecter.   Yeah, the crazy card is played, but there's enough depth and meaning so it hangs together.  I get it.

So my apologies if I don't know all the information, I'm argumentative and curious at the same time, so that's what'cha get