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[ozsras]

Sialater wrote...
Wonder what you did differently to get that one? The riots are usually shown in those index cards at the end.

I have no idea. But, I've heard the index cards being buggy so, maybe it's that? Weirdness.

[Recidiva]

Seallyn wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I know what you mean. I'm missing my mage.

My last character was an elf mage who specialized in the Arcane Warrior arc.  BEST CHARACTER EVER!!!!  Seriously, I don't think I had as much fun in any of the other games as I did in that one.  Woo.  She blew everybody up!  She didn't even need a team, she was good enough on her own.  Damn.

Mage and human noble are my favorites.

Right now I have no rogue because I'm bashing open the locks on chests with a mod.  That's therapeutic also.

I have finished quite a few times, I've never had Anora in charge and gotten anything positive unless she was with hardened Alistair.  I'd be interested in that switch, but it doesn't really matter.  I'm gonna die every time or Alistair's gonna hate me 'cause I spared Loghain.  It's moot.

[Recidiva]

ozsras wrote...

I have no idea. But, I've heard the index cards being buggy so, maybe it's that? Weirdness.

I've seen some seriously buggy endings reported and I admit I'd be seriously angry after investing hours and hours and getting screwed by a filing system.

[Seallyn]

Sialater wrote...

It took me awhile to figure out my arcane warrior. But I got an awesome ogre slaying animation.

My favorite scenes with her where the ambush with Ser Cauthrien (it took me awhile to finally beat her, but once I did it was great) and another was in Fort Drakon right before the Arch Demon.  There's that room FULL of darkspawn.  I just went to the doorway, did BLIZZARD and soon I saw all the little EXP points rack up.  Awesome.  And, and, she had a sword and although she usually missed, it was still nice to have some back up once your mana is drained.  (I don't think you have to be an Arcane Warrior to wield a sword, but I'm sure it helps).
 

[ozsras]

LOL yeah that would suck.



I guess I just truly think Anora is best to lead Ferelden. But I hope I don't come off as though I'm knocking your choices! I'm totally not - but for me Anora as queen, Alistair gets to stay a GW and I either die or ride off into the sunset with Leliana. I usually pick the Die by Dragon Breath choice. It honestly gives me hives to think that Morrigan is out there with the Godbaby. LOL

[Recidiva]

ozsras wrote...

LOL yeah that would suck.

I guess I just truly think Anora is best to lead Ferelden. But I hope I don't come off as though I'm knocking your choices! I'm totally not - but for me Anora as queen, Alistair gets to stay a GW and I either die or ride off into the sunset with Leliana. I usually pick the Die by Dragon Breath choice. It honestly gives me hives to think that Morrigan is out there with the Godbaby. LOL

Yeah, if I am playing a good character, I can't betray Alistair's principles or Ferelden by taking the God Baby option.

I did play a whole game where I basically ignored Alistair other than raising his approval and making sure he was hardened, then marrying him to Anora.   But even though I thought that was the "best" result, it was entirely unsatisfying in the end.  I'm not a hero, I'm just the chick who put the king in power who is then getting ****ed out by said king.  All told I'd rather die, so Loghain's gonna get his head chopped off every time anyway.  He's no fun at all.

I prefer the tear jerker, all told.  The non-sacrifice ending where you get the "Hero of Ferelden" ending and the long hallways is one of the most anticlimactic endings to a game I've ever seen.

[tmp7704]

Recidiva wrote...

I have finished quite a few times, I've never had Anora in charge and gotten anything positive unless she was with hardened Alistair.

My city elf could've gotten Anora's teyrn estate in Gwaren if only she bothered to ask for some personal riches as reward. That was with Anora getting the throne for herself and Loghain being executed during the Landsmeet, the estate kind of become underutilized after that.

edit: well, that's "positive" on personal level. On country level she got trade going, promptly rebuilt Denerim and did some other rather positive stuff.

Modifié par tmp7704, 22 décembre 2009 - 09:24 .

[Recidiva]

tmp7704 wrote...

My city elf could've gotten Anora's teyrn estate in Gwaren if only she bothered to ask for some personal riches as reward. That was with Anora getting the throne for herself and Loghain being executed during the Landsmeet, the estate kind of become underutilized after that.

Did Anora then wipe out your Alienage?

[Sialater]

Ostagar, right before the joining.



Me: Psst, Duncan

Duncan: What is it?

Me: Conscript Loghain.

Duncan: Why in the Maker's Name would I do that? He's one of Ferelden's best generals, a great leader of men!

Me: Didn't you just make the case for me? Besides, he's going to go bat**** insane in a few hours. Might as well throw him at the Archdemon before he totally screws us all over and I have to choose making a demon baby or pissing off Alistair.

Duncan: Who told you about the Archdemon, you're not even initiated yet!? I'm going to need to talk to that Alistair....

Me: Speaking of him... why did you go and make the heir of Ferelden a nearly sterile Grey Warden? Are you nuts, too?

Duncan: Don't you have something to do in the Wilds?

Me: Fine, but when that beacon is lit and the Hurlock Alpha's swinging a double bladed axe at your head, don't say I didn't warn you.

[ozsras]

Recidiva wrote...

ozsras wrote...

LOL yeah that would suck.

I guess I just truly think Anora is best to lead Ferelden. But I hope I don't come off as though I'm knocking your choices! I'm totally not - but for me Anora as queen, Alistair gets to stay a GW and I either die or ride off into the sunset with Leliana. I usually pick the Die by Dragon Breath choice. It honestly gives me hives to think that Morrigan is out there with the Godbaby. LOL

Yeah, if I am playing a good character, I can't betray Alistair's principles or Ferelden by taking the God Baby option.

I did play a whole game where I basically ignored Alistair other than raising his approval and making sure he was hardened, then marrying him to Anora.   But even though I thought that was the "best" result, it was entirely unsatisfying in the end.  I'm not a hero, I'm just the chick who put the king in power who is then getting ****ed out by said king.  All told I'd rather die, so Loghain's gonna get his head chopped off every time anyway.  He's no fun at all.

I prefer the tear jerker, all told.  The non-sacrifice ending where you get the "Hero of Ferelden" ending and the long hallways is one of the most anticlimactic endings to a game I've ever seen.

I actually never thought about Alistair's principles I just don't think he would make a very good King. I mean, I know that if you toughen him up and make him King he is like Maric 2,0 or something but I try to not metagame too much. Or at least that is metagaming for me. I try to stay in character and from what my characters see Al wouldn't be a very good king. Milage and all that.

I did a evil playthrough once and it was utterly boring. No fun sidekicks, no witty banter, and boy did I spend a ton of gold on health poltices.

Loghain is pretty fun if you team him up with dog. But then anyone who is nice to my dog gets a big gold star from me. Loghain isn't sane and you know he's kinda a King killer on top of being a slaver but...he's fun to watch just for every one else's reactions. Heh. Sten particularly warmed my heart with his responses to Loghain.

Also, I'm weird in the fact that I just love tragic endings. So me dying and everyone crying big sobby tears because of it is fun for me.

[tmp7704]

Recidiva wrote...

Did Anora then wipe out your Alienage?

She "was forced to come down hard on the rioters" but that doesn't really read to me as the same thing as the Alienage being wiped out, rather like your typical guard/police intervention to break up the angry mob. (the rioters could've been going pillaging and burning through the human areas, e.g. or just trying to take the food from other elves)

Btw it seems the riot + crackdown scenario happens also (or at leash should) whenever there's a Bann of Alienage other than the player's character, no matter if it's Anora or Alistair or them both in charge.

[Recidiva]

ozsras wrote...

I actually never thought about Alistair's principles I just don't think he would make a very good King. I mean, I know that if you toughen him up and make him King he is like Maric 2,0 or something but I try to not metagame too much. Or at least that is metagaming for me. I try to stay in character and from what my characters see Al wouldn't be a very good king. Milage and all that.

I did a evil playthrough once and it was utterly boring. No fun sidekicks, no witty banter, and boy did I spend a ton of gold on health poltices.

Loghain is pretty fun if you team him up with dog. But then anyone who is nice to my dog gets a big gold star from me. Loghain isn't sane and you know he's kinda a King killer on top of being a slaver but...he's fun to watch just for every one else's reactions. Heh. Sten particularly warmed my heart with his responses to Loghain.

Also, I'm weird in the fact that I just love tragic endings. So me dying and everyone crying big sobby tears because of it is fun for me.

I hate hardening him.  I think that quest is horrific and breaks all my immersion.

But I like different outcomes, I can't just play lovesick forever.

I opt for everyone crying too.  Even me.

I just don't opt for the "What the hell just happened?!" ending.  If I can help it.  If I am to "not" metagame every time, that's what I'm gonna get.

[Sialater]

tmp7704 wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

Did Anora then wipe out your Alienage?

She "was forced to come down hard on the rioters" but that doesn't really read to me as the same thing as the Alienage being wiped out, rather like your typical guard/police intervention to break up the angry mob. (the rioters could've been going pillaging and burning through the human areas, e.g. or just trying to take the food from other elves)

Btw it seems the riot + crackdown scenario happens also (or at leash should) whenever there's a Bann of Alienage other than the player's character, no matter if it's Anora or Alistair or them both in charge.

Nope, if Alistair's anywhere near that crown, it doesn't happen.

[mousestalker]

Pogroms are pogroms. Elves are the Jews of Ferelden, which is odd since the dwarves are appear to be much more mercantile oriented.

[tmp7704]

Sialater wrote...

Nope, if Alistair's anywhere near that crown, it doesn't happen.

Which is odd because the epilogue conversation doesn't make a check on who is in charge for that branch, and the wording itself ("the throne" rather than specific name) seems to be intentionally universal. I can only presume it's because getting Alienage bann from Alistair doesn't set the associated flags but since i can't open the post-coronation conversation in the toolset i cannot verify that.

[ozsras]

Recidiva wrote...

I hate hardening him.  I think that quest is horrific and breaks all my immersion.

But I like different outcomes, I can't just play lovesick forever.

I opt for everyone crying too.  Even me.

I just don't opt for the "What the hell just happened?!" ending.  If I can help it.  If I am to "not" metagame every time, that's what I'm gonna get.

I just thought that whole side quest was weird as hell. Well, not Goldanna because I had already come to the conclusion that this being DAO it's not gonna be good. Heck, I was surprised that Wynne's apprentince was alive and then I was surprised that all that transpired was "it was a long time ago - here's a necklace - peace out!". Really? That's it? Okay, um, okay so Wynne you wanna hit the Pearl and get drunk? *and off we go to hit on Isabella and get sloshed*

With Alistair it surprised me that *one* dialogue option, that really he honestly should have figured out by now, I mean my God we've been traveling with Morrigan for goodness sake! He totally toughens up or something. Eh, whateves, it's not a big deal just strange.

I *think* I've gotten all the endings. I'll have to check my achievements later but I think I have. If I'm gonna live it's either Leliana or becoming King. King because, damn, somebody needs to watch over these Ferelden idiots. XD

[Recidiva]

tmp7704 wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

Did Anora then wipe out your Alienage?

She "was forced to come down hard on the rioters" but that doesn't really read to me as the same thing as the Alienage being wiped out, rather like your typical guard/police intervention to break up the angry mob. (the rioters could've been going pillaging and burning through the human areas, e.g. or just trying to take the food from other elves)

Btw it seems the riot + crackdown scenario happens also (or at leash should) whenever there's a Bann of Alienage other than the player's character, no matter if it's Anora or Alistair or them both in charge.

No, it won't happen if Alistair is in charge, hardened or not.

That's my hint from Bioware that Anora really is a xenophobic wench and they didn't just drop hints about for no reason.

I can't make her queen the same way I can't take Morrigan's deal.  Alistair is never "forced" to crack down in any way, probably because he didn't create the circumstances.

Anora's crackdown on the Alieanage is like Loghain's crackdown on the Wardens.  Because they wanted to.

[Recidiva]

ozsras wrote...

I just thought that whole side quest was weird as hell. Well, not Goldanna because I had already come to the conclusion that this being DAO it's not gonna be good. Heck, I was surprised that Wynne's apprentince was alive and then I was surprised that all that transpired was "it was a long time ago - here's a necklace - peace out!". Really? That's it? Okay, um, okay so Wynne you wanna hit the Pearl and get drunk? *and off we go to hit on Isabella and get sloshed*

With Alistair it surprised me that *one* dialogue option, that really he honestly should have figured out by now, I mean my God we've been traveling with Morrigan for goodness sake! He totally toughens up or something. Eh, whateves, it's not a big deal just strange.

I *think* I've gotten all the endings. I'll have to check my achievements later but I think I have. If I'm gonna live it's either Leliana or becoming King. King because, damn, somebody needs to watch over these Ferelden idiots. XD

Exactly, with all the crap Alistair's already been through, I never thought I'd have to teach him that truth any more than I'd think I'd have to teach him to tie his shoes.  If plate boots have laces...

[mousestalker]

Recidiva wrote...

No, it won't happen if Alistair is in charge, hardened or not.

That's my hint from Bioware that Anora really is a xenophobic wench and they didn't just drop hints about for no reason.

I can't make her queen the same way I can't take Morrigan's deal.  Alistair is never "forced" to crack down in any way, probably because he didn't create the circumstances.

Anora's crackdown on the Alieanage is like Loghain's crackdown on the Wardens.  Because they wanted to.

My take on it is the elves are a convenient target when things go wrong for her. If the mob gets cranky she can unleash them on the elves and that diverts attention from the real problem. That's what ghettos are for, after all.

[Sialater]

mousestalker wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

No, it won't happen if Alistair is in charge, hardened or not.

That's my hint from Bioware that Anora really is a xenophobic wench and they didn't just drop hints about for no reason.

I can't make her queen the same way I can't take Morrigan's deal.  Alistair is never "forced" to crack down in any way, probably because he didn't create the circumstances.

Anora's crackdown on the Alieanage is like Loghain's crackdown on the Wardens.  Because they wanted to.

My take on it is the elves are a convenient target when things go wrong for her. If the mob gets cranky she can unleash them on the elves and that diverts attention from the real problem. That's what ghettos are for, after all.

Exactly.  BAD RULER, NO COOKIE.

[ozsras]

Recidiva wrote...

Exactly, with all the crap Alistair's already been through, I never thought I'd have to teach him that truth any more than I'd think I'd have to teach him to tie his shoes.  If plate boots have laces...

I know. I get that he was raised by the Chantry and all but really? He didn't know that? Ooookay. I truly don't think it should be up to the PC to help "raise" him or any other NPC. I've kinda got more things on my mind. He did surprise me once though, when we were in the fade and in his nightmare I had a 2 block coercion and it was the first Treaty I had done. And Al refused to come with me to fight the Sloth demon because "thinking is too hard. I don't like doing it."
And I think that's when I really got annoyed with him. But that was my latest playthrough, I usually like him but for some reason this playthrough Alistair is giving me fits. *sigh*  I'm not bashing him I'm just...frustrated with him right now.

Can't he be like Shale and just want to squish things? I like squishing things!

[tmp7704]

Recidiva wrote...

That's my hint from Bioware that Anora really is a xenophobic wench and they didn't just drop hints about for no reason.

My hint she wasn't was her most trusted servant being an elf from Orlais. I mean, would you entrust your life and the deepest secrets to a member of the very group you supposedly hate?

She also appoints the player's father as Alienage bann if you sacrifice yourself, and does so entirely out of her own goodwill. If she's truly as xenophobic as people want to see her, she'd have no reason to care about the elves in general nor would be trying to improve their lot. A memorial plate with the player's name on it would be much easier and less troublesome gesture.

Modifié par tmp7704, 22 décembre 2009 - 10:05 .

[Recidiva]

ozsras wrote...

I know. I get that he was raised by the Chantry and all but really? He didn't know that? Ooookay. I truly don't think it should be up to the PC to help "raise" him or any other NPC. I've kinda got more things on my mind. He did surprise me once though, when we were in the fade and in his nightmare I had a 2 block coercion and it was the first Treaty I had done. And Al refused to come with me to fight the Sloth demon because "thinking is too hard. I don't like doing it."
And I think that's when I really got annoyed with him. But that was my latest playthrough, I usually like him but for some reason this playthrough Alistair is giving me fits. *sigh*  I'm not bashing him I'm just...frustrated with him right now.

Can't he be like Shale and just want to squish things? I like squishing things!

Right!  Loved him to pieces first ruthrough.  Inconvenienced by him but still trying to save his ass the second two runthroughs.

By the fourth, fifth, and sixth, yes, I'm going to try new things.  And there's Alistair...getting in my way.

"Look, man, I did it your way LOTS of times.  Now I'm irritated.  Who the hell's game is this anyway?"

[Sialater]

tmp7704 wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

That's my hint from Bioware that Anora really is a xenophobic wench and they didn't just drop hints about for no reason.

My hint she wasn't was her most trusted servant being an elf from Orlais. I mean, would you entrust your life and the deepest secrets to a member of the very group you supposedly hate?

She also appoints the player's father as Alienage bann if you sacrifice yourself, and does so entirely out of her own goodwill. If she's truly as xenophobic as people want to see her, she'd have no reason to care about the elves in general nor would be trying to improve their lot. A memorial plate with the player's name on it would be much easier and less troublesome gesture.

Yeah, and then there's the whole, "Father's selling elven slaves? Really?  So what?" conversation I had with her.  

Being a servant is one thing, being your equal is another.  Also, who's to say her servant wasn't a spy for Orlais?  Hmmm?  (OK, now I sound like Loghain.  I need to wash my brain.)

[Recidiva]

tmp7704 wrote...

My hint she wasn't was her most trusted servant being an elf from Orlais. I mean, would you entrust your life and the deepest secrets to a member of the very group you supposedly hate?

She also appoints the player's father as Alienage bann if you sacrifice yourself, and does so entirely out of her own goodwill. If she's truly as xenophobic as people want to see her, she'd have no reason to care about the elves in general nor would be trying to improve their lot. A memorial plate with the player's name on it would be much easier and less troublesome gesture.

I don't think that reflects my attitude regarding someone having a servant.  She doesn't give the servants a thought.  They're servants.  They will serve her, that's their job.

I'm just squicked out entirely by the racism issue and I don't see how keeping servants and allowing the crown to sell people as slaves makes anybody an authority on someone's feelings.

Either Anora knew what her father was doing in the Alienage, or she lacked the compassion or competence to know about it or do something about it.  Either way, major fail from me.

I'm kinda opposed to the practice.