mousestalker wrote...
Pogroms are pogroms. Elves are the Jews of Ferelden, which is odd since the dwarves are appear to be much more mercantile oriented.
Recidiva wrote...
Right! Loved him to pieces first ruthrough. Inconvenienced by him but still trying to save his ass the second two runthroughs.
By the fourth, fifth, and sixth, yes, I'm going to try new things. And there's Alistair...getting in my way.
"Look, man, I did it your way LOTS of times. Now I'm irritated. Who the hell's game is this anyway?"
Recidiva wrote...
tmp7704 wrote...
My hint she wasn't was her most trusted servant being an elf from Orlais. I mean, would you entrust your life and the deepest secrets to a member of the very group you supposedly hate?
She also appoints the player's father as Alienage bann if you sacrifice yourself, and does so entirely out of her own goodwill. If she's truly as xenophobic as people want to see her, she'd have no reason to care about the elves in general nor would be trying to improve their lot. A memorial plate with the player's name on it would be much easier and less troublesome gesture.
I don't think that reflects my attitude regarding someone having a servant. She doesn't give the servants a thought. They're servants. They will serve her, that's their job.
I'm just squicked out entirely by the racism issue and I don't see how keeping servants and allowing the crown to sell people as slaves makes anybody an authority on someone's feelings.
Either Anora knew what her father was doing in the Alienage, or she lacked the compassion or competence to know about it or do something about it. Either way, major fail from me.
I'm kinda opposed to the practice.
tigrina wrote...
On another note; I've got also the 'noble origin' issue some others have here too. Started my 4th or something and maybe I'll manage that one through. Not sure though.
tigrina wrote...
The 'harden' part after Goldanna was just flat out weird. You don't say that kind of thing to someone rejected, truth or not. It is like kicking a puppy. If it wasn't for meta gaming knowledge, I would never have chosen the option.
On another note; I've got also the 'noble origin' issue some others have here too. Started my 4th or something and maybe I'll manage that one through. Not sure though.
tigrina wrote...
The 'harden' part after Goldanna was just flat out weird. You don't say that kind of thing to someone rejected, truth or not. It is like kicking a puppy. If it wasn't for meta gaming knowledge, I would never have chosen the option.
On another note; I've got also the 'noble origin' issue some others have here too. Started my 4th or something and maybe I'll manage that one through. Not sure though.
tigrina wrote...
The 'harden' part after Goldanna was just flat out weird. You don't say that kind of thing to someone rejected, truth or not. It is like kicking a puppy. If it wasn't for meta gaming knowledge, I would never have chosen the option.
On another note; I've got also the 'noble origin' issue some others have here too. Started my 4th or something and maybe I'll manage that one through. Not sure though.
Sialater wrote...
Yeah... I'll finish my Cousland rogue, but my heart's not in it. I want my mage back.
Surely you're at least paying them a thought when you pick that personal servant, and you select them based on what you think they're capable of? Being a queen Anora can have literally any sort of servants she'd like, it's not like she cannot afford it. To pick someone from group A over someone from group B when you're convinced group A is inhenrently inferior in comparison, it just doesn't make much sense.Recidiva wrote...
I don't think that reflects my attitude regarding someone having a servant. She doesn't give the servants a thought. They're servants. They will serve her, that's their job.
This is odd, i vaguely remember it was Anora who provided the lead there's something fishy going with the Alienage in the first place. I'd figure her being unable to do something about it (until the player shows up anyway) is for the same reason she can't do anything about her father effectively taking command -- out of them both he's the person with lots of troops with sharp sticks and the slavers do have his permission to operate after all so they can pretty much ignore her.Either Anora knew what her father was doing in the Alienage, or she lacked the compassion or competence to know about it or do something about it. Either way, major fail from me.
ozsras wrote...
What issue is there with the Noble Origin? Iona and her kid that you can't talk to? I really hate that I can't help that poor kid.
tmp7704 wrote...
Surely you're at least paying them a thought when you pick that personal servant, and you select them based on what you think they're capable of? Being a queen Anora can have literally any sort of servants she'd like, it's not like she cannot afford it. To pick someone from group A over someone from group B when you're convinced group A is inhenrently inferior in comparison, it just doesn't make much sense.
You have an example of how such thinking works in Arl Eamon's estate out of all places -- there's only one elf hired there in some minor position, and when you speak with her she explains it's because the human in charge of the estate actually is prejudiced towards elves and prefers human servants.
This is odd, i vaguely remember it was Anora who provided the lead there's something fishy going with the Alienage in the first place. I'd figure her being unable to do something about it (until the player shows up anyway) is for the same reason she can't do anything about her father effectively taking command -- out of them both he's the person with lots of troops with sharp sticks and the slavers do have his permission to operate after all so they can pretty much ignore her.
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tmp7704 wrote...
Surely you're at least paying them a thought when you pick that personal servant, and you select them based on what you think they're capable of? Being a queen Anora can have literally any sort of servants she'd like, it's not like she cannot afford it. To pick someone from group A over someone from group B when you're convinced group A is inhenrently inferior in comparison, it just doesn't make much sense.Recidiva wrote...
I don't think that reflects my attitude regarding someone having a servant. She doesn't give the servants a thought. They're servants. They will serve her, that's their job.
You have an example of how such thinking works in Arl Eamon's estate out of all places -- there's only one elf hired there in some minor position, and when you speak with her she explains it's because the human in charge of the estate actually is prejudiced towards elves and prefers human servants.This is odd, i vaguely remember it was Anora who provided the lead there's something fishy going with the Alienage in the first place. I'd figure her being unable to do something about it (until the player shows up anyway) is for the same reason she can't do anything about her father effectively taking command -- out of them both he's the person with lots of troops with sharp sticks and the slavers do have his permission to operate after all so they can pretty much ignore her.Either Anora knew what her father was doing in the Alienage, or she lacked the compassion or competence to know about it or do something about it. Either way, major fail from me.
Err and when Loghain says "no" what would such capable ruler do..? I'm honestly curious.Sialater wrote...
A capable ruler would tell her father to sit down and shut up and execute Howe.
Recidiva wrote...
Yeah, the hardening is truly ridiculous. I consider taking that option to be an evil act, it never would have come out of my mouth other than wanting to convince someone that ALL people are basically selfish at heart. Which mathemetically includes the person giving the advice and the person getting it. Coming from a person you trust is unforgivable.
I know from experience that you can be a very strong, honest and decent human being and yet not be a weak bleeding heart fool.
I absolutely reject the mustache-twirling sense of evil and the completely selfless, martyr-like, so-open-minded-your-brains-fall out Bioware standard of behavior.
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tigrina wrote...
ozsras wrote...
What issue is there with the Noble Origin? Iona and her kid that you can't talk to? I really hate that I can't help that poor kid.
There is no issue with the Noble Origin. It is all from nice to dramatic neatly folded into one origin. I just did the 'wrong' thing with playing my mage first and well, after that it is hard to play some melee type of girl which feels so gimped. Then I 'cheated' and it didn't make it better (ok, a bit, but not really). You just can't do that much interesting stuff really.
But in order not to pay the thought when it comes to picking one's servant one would have to be intentionally obtuse about this matter, and this is simply so we can justify having a servant from group one holds in contempt. I think this brushes dangerously close to Occam's razor when the alternative (lack of prejudice to begin with) requires nothing of the sort..?Recidiva wrote...
Well, if I were paying them a thought, I wouldn't have them as servants, really. I think that's my point.
mousestalker wrote...
tigrina wrote...
ozsras wrote...
What issue is there with the Noble Origin? Iona and her kid that you can't talk to? I really hate that I can't help that poor kid.
There is no issue with the Noble Origin. It is all from nice to dramatic neatly folded into one origin. I just did the 'wrong' thing with playing my mage first and well, after that it is hard to play some melee type of girl which feels so gimped. Then I 'cheated' and it didn't make it better (ok, a bit, but not really). You just can't do that much interesting stuff really.
Cheating always ruins a game for me. Once I give into the temptation to put something extra in a game, then I'm on the slippery slope to creating the Belt of Awesome Uberness and other bad ideas.
I think rogue is the origin for OCD. Both of the supplied rogue characters do not have nearly enough points in opening chests. Mage is for the player that wants to pwn the mobs. Warriors are for, well just what are warrior PC's for?
tmp7704 wrote...
Err and when Loghain says "no" what would such capable ruler do..? I'm honestly curious.
tmp7704 wrote...
But in order not to pay the thought when it comes to picking one's servant one would have to be intentionally obtuse about this matter, and this is simply so we can justify having a servant from group one holds in contempt. I think this brushes dangerously close to Occam's razor when the alternative (lack of prejudice to begin with) requires nothing of the sort..?
mousestalker wrote...
Cheating always ruins a game for me. Once I give into the temptation to put something extra in a game, then I'm on the slippery slope to creating the Belt of Awesome Uberness and other bad ideas.
I think rogue is the origin for OCD. Both of the supplied rogue characters do not have nearly enough points in opening chests. Mage is for the player that wants to pwn the mobs. Warriors are for, well just what are warrior PC's for?
I'm not sure if this is correct. It'd rather seem that "Anora's" troops i.e. the one who'd sworn loyalty (in)directly to the crown were under command of Cailan and mostly perished at Ostagar. What's left is Loghain's "personal army", the one he's been originally leading in the way the king wished but that was only until he did the face heel turn. These troops do as their teyrn tells them to do, and if he doesn't happen to agree with the queen... well, that's just too bad for the queen.Sialater wrote...
But that's the thing, if she's queen, they're NOT his troops, they're HERS, he's just leading them FOR HER. She lets her father bully her into a lot of BS. NOT an effective ruler.
Yes, because trusting one's own father and Ferelden's hero is obviously trusting the wrong people, and the kind of mistake no one else in whole Ferelden didRecidiva wrote...
But clearly a queen that trusts the wrong people and gets held captive in her own capital isn't doing some things right.
Hmm no, i don't see how this analogy is supposed to work, sorry.This is all like saying you take good care of your slaves, so therefore the question of them being slaves is moot.
tmp7704 wrote...
I'm not sure if this is correct. It'd rather seem that "Anora's" troops i.e. the one who'd sworn loyalty (in)directly to the crown were under command of Cailan and mostly perished at Ostagar. What's left is Loghain's "personal army", the one he's been originally leading in the way the king wished but that was only until he did the face heel turn. These troops do as their teyrn tells them to do, and if he doesn't happen to agree with the queen... well, that's just too bad for the queen.
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