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[Sialater]

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Yeah... canny intelligent leader means being daddy's little girl, apparently.  If I'm queen, the country comes before my father and his ambitions.  "Screw this regent crap, dad.  I'm the Queen Regnant, get off my chair and give me my hat back."  So yeah, Hardened Alistair, alone or with advisors is better.  Not even counting the elves.  Anora let it all go to crap so as to appease her father.  There's no second chances for that kind of incompetence.

Denerim is still entirely overrun by bandits that you have to clear out.  How can you command a nation if you can't get order in your own home town?  Or if you know nothing about it, rely on "advisors" to tell you everything's okay and nothing needs to be done.  Or this is the way things are, don't rock the boat or you're next.

If I'd walked into Denerim and it was a shining example of good infrastructure, order and judicious policies applied with an even hand, or any hand at all other than "Chaos is good!" I might have some respect for her leadership.  Or Cailan's for that matter.

The guard is accustomed to doing nothing due to the idea that noble families are expected to collect a paycheck and take no personal risk.  Anora is a noble. 

Putting a commoner on the throne who had to work to make his way in the world sounds like a good solution to that sort of entitled uselessness.

Exactly, even ignoring the index card with the elves at the end that no one agrees on the interpretation, Denerim is a cesspool second only to Orzammar.  Yes, it was supposed to be under Howe's purview, but she's supposed to be over Howe.  And Howe imprisons her. 

Yeah, competent my big right toe.

[DariusKalera]

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Yeah... canny intelligent leader means being daddy's little girl, apparently.  If I'm queen, the country comes before my father and his ambitions.  "Screw this regent crap, dad.  I'm the Queen Regnant, get off my chair and give me my hat back."  So yeah, Hardened Alistair, alone or with advisors is better.  Not even counting the elves.  Anora let it all go to crap so as to appease her father.  There's no second chances for that kind of incompetence.

Denerim is still entirely overrun by bandits that you have to clear out.  How can you command a nation if you can't get order in your own home town?  Or if you know nothing about it, rely on "advisors" to tell you everything's okay and nothing needs to be done.  Or this is the way things are, don't rock the boat or you're next.

If I'd walked into Denerim and it was a shining example of good infrastructure, order and judicious policies applied with an even hand, or any hand at all other than "Chaos is good!" I might have some respect for her leadership.  Or Cailan's for that matter.

The guard is accustomed to doing nothing due to the idea that noble families are expected to collect a paycheck and take no personal risk.  Anora is a noble. 

Putting a commoner on the throne who had to work to make his way in the world sounds like a good solution to that sort of entitled uselessness.

Well, to be fair, the state of Denerim's thugs is not really in Anora's job description.  It would be like saying that the President is responsible for clearing out the thugs in Washington D.C.  He's not, the mayor is. 

If the Bann of Denerim is not informing her that there is a problem then how exactly is she supposed to know?  A queen will not be going  down into the back alleys and side streets to check and see if the person running the town is telling the truth or not, she is going to take them at their word.  If rumors of outlandish crimes manage to get to her, she may make inquiries and possibly order changes to be made.  But, once again, those changes would have to come from a municiple level and be done by a person or people who may, or may not, want to see those changes implemented.

Anora's job is not the ruling of a single city, but that of an entire nation. You must look at the nation as a who;e to determine if her and Cailan's rule was successful.

Was Fereldan at peace?  Yes.
Were most of its people fed?  Apparently.
Were most of its people happy? Yes.  (Can't make everyone happy all the time, so it is best to find a way to make the most poeple happy most of the time.  If you try to make everyone happy, you will fail and no one will be.)
Good relations with its neighbors?  Yes.

So, yeah, I would say thier rule is relatively successful.

[Sialater]

DariusKalera wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Yeah... canny intelligent leader means being daddy's little girl, apparently.  If I'm queen, the country comes before my father and his ambitions.  "Screw this regent crap, dad.  I'm the Queen Regnant, get off my chair and give me my hat back."  So yeah, Hardened Alistair, alone or with advisors is better.  Not even counting the elves.  Anora let it all go to crap so as to appease her father.  There's no second chances for that kind of incompetence.

Denerim is still entirely overrun by bandits that you have to clear out.  How can you command a nation if you can't get order in your own home town?  Or if you know nothing about it, rely on "advisors" to tell you everything's okay and nothing needs to be done.  Or this is the way things are, don't rock the boat or you're next.

If I'd walked into Denerim and it was a shining example of good infrastructure, order and judicious policies applied with an even hand, or any hand at all other than "Chaos is good!" I might have some respect for her leadership.  Or Cailan's for that matter.

The guard is accustomed to doing nothing due to the idea that noble families are expected to collect a paycheck and take no personal risk.  Anora is a noble. 

Putting a commoner on the throne who had to work to make his way in the world sounds like a good solution to that sort of entitled uselessness.

Well, to be fair, the state of Denerim's thugs is not really in Anora's job description.  It would be like saying that the President is responsible for clearing out the thugs in Washington D.C.  He's not, the mayor is. 

If the Bann of Denerim is not informing her that there is a problem then how exactly is she supposed to know?  A queen will not be going  down into the back alleys and side streets to check and see if the person running the town is telling the truth or not, she is going to take them at their word.  If rumors of outlandish crimes manage to get to her, she may make inquiries and possibly order changes to be made.  But, once again, those changes would have to come from a municiple level and be done by a person or people who may, or may not, want to see those changes implemented.

Anora's job is not the ruling of a single city, but that of an entire nation. You must look at the nation as a who;e to determine if her and Cailan's rule was successful.

Was Fereldan at peace?  Yes.
Were most of its people fed?  Apparently.
Were most of its people happy? Yes.  (Can't make everyone happy all the time, so it is best to find a way to make the most poeple happy most of the time.  If you try to make everyone happy, you will fail and no one will be.)
Good relations with its neighbors?  Yes.

So, yeah, I would say thier rule is relatively successful.

I agree Denerim is a small cog.  But it's evidence that the larger scheme of things is wrong.  And no, I doubt everyone's happy, fed and safe.  We have no evidence either way.


And btw, a few years back, in the 90's I think, Washington DC was SO BAD that Congress took over the governance of that town.  It's only recently been handed back over to a mayor.

[DariusKalera]

Sialater wrote...

DariusKalera wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Yeah... canny intelligent leader means being daddy's little girl, apparently.  If I'm queen, the country comes before my father and his ambitions.  "Screw this regent crap, dad.  I'm the Queen Regnant, get off my chair and give me my hat back."  So yeah, Hardened Alistair, alone or with advisors is better.  Not even counting the elves.  Anora let it all go to crap so as to appease her father.  There's no second chances for that kind of incompetence.

Denerim is still entirely overrun by bandits that you have to clear out.  How can you command a nation if you can't get order in your own home town?  Or if you know nothing about it, rely on "advisors" to tell you everything's okay and nothing needs to be done.  Or this is the way things are, don't rock the boat or you're next.

If I'd walked into Denerim and it was a shining example of good infrastructure, order and judicious policies applied with an even hand, or any hand at all other than "Chaos is good!" I might have some respect for her leadership.  Or Cailan's for that matter.

The guard is accustomed to doing nothing due to the idea that noble families are expected to collect a paycheck and take no personal risk.  Anora is a noble. 

Putting a commoner on the throne who had to work to make his way in the world sounds like a good solution to that sort of entitled uselessness.

Well, to be fair, the state of Denerim's thugs is not really in Anora's job description.  It would be like saying that the President is responsible for clearing out the thugs in Washington D.C.  He's not, the mayor is. 

If the Bann of Denerim is not informing her that there is a problem then how exactly is she supposed to know?  A queen will not be going  down into the back alleys and side streets to check and see if the person running the town is telling the truth or not, she is going to take them at their word.  If rumors of outlandish crimes manage to get to her, she may make inquiries and possibly order changes to be made.  But, once again, those changes would have to come from a municiple level and be done by a person or people who may, or may not, want to see those changes implemented.

Anora's job is not the ruling of a single city, but that of an entire nation. You must look at the nation as a who;e to determine if her and Cailan's rule was successful.

Was Fereldan at peace?  Yes.
Were most of its people fed?  Apparently.
Were most of its people happy? Yes.  (Can't make everyone happy all the time, so it is best to find a way to make the most poeple happy most of the time.  If you try to make everyone happy, you will fail and no one will be.)
Good relations with its neighbors?  Yes.

So, yeah, I would say thier rule is relatively successful.

I agree Denerim is a small cog.  But it's evidence that the larger scheme of things is wrong.  And no, I doubt everyone's happy, fed and safe.  We have no evidence either way.


And btw, a few years back, in the 90's I think, Washington DC was SO BAD that Congress took over the governance of that town.  It's only recently been handed back over to a mayor.

Well, I am assuming they were because it is actually said in game. (Well, that the people were happy at least under Cailn and Anora's rule.  Starving people are not usually happy)

Congress is still not the President.  But, if you want to use that instance as a real example, while D.C. was wallowing, the rest of the nation was actually doing relatively well.  Unemployment was down, income was up, crime was down across the country, we were on good terms with most of the other countries in the world, and education was on the rise.

A single city, even if it is the capitol, is not indicitive of an entire nation.  Nor is it indicitive of the quality of the one leading said nation.  What it does indicate is the incompetence of the one trying to lead the city.

Modifié par DariusKalera, 23 décembre 2009 - 03:52 .

[Sialater]

DariusKalera wrote...

Sialater wrote...

DariusKalera wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Yeah... canny intelligent leader means being daddy's little girl, apparently.  If I'm queen, the country comes before my father and his ambitions.  "Screw this regent crap, dad.  I'm the Queen Regnant, get off my chair and give me my hat back."  So yeah, Hardened Alistair, alone or with advisors is better.  Not even counting the elves.  Anora let it all go to crap so as to appease her father.  There's no second chances for that kind of incompetence.

Denerim is still entirely overrun by bandits that you have to clear out.  How can you command a nation if you can't get order in your own home town?  Or if you know nothing about it, rely on "advisors" to tell you everything's okay and nothing needs to be done.  Or this is the way things are, don't rock the boat or you're next.

If I'd walked into Denerim and it was a shining example of good infrastructure, order and judicious policies applied with an even hand, or any hand at all other than "Chaos is good!" I might have some respect for her leadership.  Or Cailan's for that matter.

The guard is accustomed to doing nothing due to the idea that noble families are expected to collect a paycheck and take no personal risk.  Anora is a noble. 

Putting a commoner on the throne who had to work to make his way in the world sounds like a good solution to that sort of entitled uselessness.

Well, to be fair, the state of Denerim's thugs is not really in Anora's job description.  It would be like saying that the President is responsible for clearing out the thugs in Washington D.C.  He's not, the mayor is. 

If the Bann of Denerim is not informing her that there is a problem then how exactly is she supposed to know?  A queen will not be going  down into the back alleys and side streets to check and see if the person running the town is telling the truth or not, she is going to take them at their word.  If rumors of outlandish crimes manage to get to her, she may make inquiries and possibly order changes to be made.  But, once again, those changes would have to come from a municiple level and be done by a person or people who may, or may not, want to see those changes implemented.

Anora's job is not the ruling of a single city, but that of an entire nation. You must look at the nation as a who;e to determine if her and Cailan's rule was successful.

Was Fereldan at peace?  Yes.
Were most of its people fed?  Apparently.
Were most of its people happy? Yes.  (Can't make everyone happy all the time, so it is best to find a way to make the most poeple happy most of the time.  If you try to make everyone happy, you will fail and no one will be.)
Good relations with its neighbors?  Yes.

So, yeah, I would say thier rule is relatively successful.

I agree Denerim is a small cog.  But it's evidence that the larger scheme of things is wrong.  And no, I doubt everyone's happy, fed and safe.  We have no evidence either way.


And btw, a few years back, in the 90's I think, Washington DC was SO BAD that Congress took over the governance of that town.  It's only recently been handed back over to a mayor.

Well, I am assuming they were because it is actually said in game.

Congress is still not the President.  But, if you want to use that instance as a real example, while D.C. was wallowing, the rest of the nation was actually doing relatively well.  Unemployment was down, income was up, crime was down across the country, we were on good terms with most of the other countries in the world, and education was on the rise.

A single city, even if it is the capitol, is not indicitive of an entire nation.  Nor is it indicitive of the quality of the one leading said nation.  What it does indicate is the incompetence of the one trying to lead the city.

I think the Washington DC analogy is not a good one.  We are a republic, not a feudal society.  Anora has more direct control over Howe than the President has over a mayor.

[Sialater]

Also, let's say what you said is true. Things were good prior to the massacre at Ostagar. So, the minute there's a crisis, she falls apart? Still lacking in competence.

[Recidiva]

I got the distinct impression that Ferelden was screwed even before the blight and people were hopeless and brutally treated.



They still had the circle, Apostates, the Chantry, brutal slavery (either being a brutal slave owner or being a brutally-treated slave) racism, an oppressive government and a corrupt military.



TIme for a change.



I didn't see happy anywhere.

[tmp7704]

Recidiva wrote...

I'm not going to step over any line and tell you what's "true" - this really is about opinion, and if I've given the impression mine matters more than yours, that wasn't intended.  I just like to debate, but I don't like reruns.

That's fine; it just irks me to see personal opinions/impressions passed in the form that make them look like established "prime fiction" of the game itself. Mainly because with the number of people who potentially read it some of them are bound not to know any better and take these opinions as something that does in fact happen in game and then spread this "knowledge" further. And that makes any attempt at sensible debate down the road harder. So when i see an instance of it... well, yeah. But admittedly that's just my personal pet peeve.

Now excuse me, i have a thread to start to express my moral outrage at Bioware making family of drug addicts the royal rulers of dwarf society. Someone said on the forums they were so it must be true.

[DariusKalera]

Sialater wrote...

Also, let's say what you said is true. Things were good prior to the massacre at Ostagar. So, the minute there's a crisis, she falls apart? Still lacking in competence.

In a fuedal society a queen could not rule on her own.   A regent would be appointed until a few things were done.  Either A)  The queen remarried someone of royal blood,   She was of royal blood herself and there for had to find a king to rule, C) The male child of the king and queen was old enough to assume the throne.  Yes, there were a few exceptions to this, but as a general rule, this is how it progressed.

Now, depending on how closely Fereldan follows our historical rules, the regent was normally the most powerful noble or possibly the queen's closest living male relative.  In either case, in Fereldan, daddy would have, and did, get named regent. 

It may have been that her incompetence was just a result of having to follow the law of succession.  Which, honeslty, I could see Howe and Loghain manipulating to get what they want.  Once she found out what her father had done, it was too late for her to do anything without outside help, namely the PC.

[ozsras]

You know it's really funny how much you love your companions when on nightmare mode.



No really. Wynne that crazy old bat - I love her. I truly, truly do.

(party: shale, oghren, wynne, pc 2 handed warrior)



PC: onwards to the deep trenches at level 11. we shall triumph!

Wynne: (questioning look) what was that dear? have you been drinking my lyrium potions again?

PC: pssh! just do what i tell you okay? alright guys let's go kick some darkspawn butt!

Oghren: *bleches*



Later:

PC: *coughs up blood* omg, omg everything hurts, you guys, omg you guys!

Wynne: yes, well I told you not to run right up to the forge master.

PC: yes, but - *hacks up blood* ugh, but remember *flaps hands* Charge! kick butt!

Wynne: yes, i remember, I also remember how much blood you spilled just trying to get to the forge master.

Shale: It bleeds far more than the other companions. It is quite squishy.

Oghren: *kicks forge master* huh, warden you made a fine distraction, good plan.

PC: uh...right that was my plan all along! I *rock*!

Wynne: *facepalm*



Seriously, I love every character right now. Clings tight to Wynne - cleansing aura rocks ya'll, it rocks!

[tmp7704]

Oh and something to keep on mind when you're discussing state of Denerim -- when the player arrives to it the city is said to be packed to the brim and beyond with refugees from all over the country. It is *not* normal state of things there and honestly, to claim the city infrastructure should be able to cope with it perfectly and it's sign of bad government when they cannot, is disingenous at best. As an analogy try to cram the population of Los Angeles, New Orlean, Chicago and couple other cities all into New York area. Clearly, it's bad government at fault that the city isn't dealing with it perfectly and with no crime whatsoever, right? The good government would just grow the city in size as needed, after all it doesn't take money, labour nor time...

[mousestalker]

DariusKalera wrote...

In a fuedal(sic) society a queen could not rule on her own.   A regent would be appointed until a few things were done.  Either A)  The queen remarried someone of royal blood,   She was of royal blood herself and there for had to find a king to rule, C) The male child of the king and queen was old enough to assume the throne.  Yes, there were a few exceptions to this, but as a general rule, this is how it progressed.

Um, no. Not at all. You may want to Google the Empress Maud (Matilda). I can come up with a laundry list of active reigning female rulers in medieval Europe, competent, incompetent and everywhere in between. The greatest ruler in English history (Elizabeth I) was a woman. Catherine de Medici was a reigning Queen of France (she reminds me a great deal of Anora, btw). There are a host of others.

People tend to think that medieval law was more rigid than it was. Canon law was pretty rigid. Civil law bent according to the ruler's will and what he (or she!) could get away with.

[mousestalker]

Recidiva wrote...

I got the distinct impression that Ferelden was screwed even before the blight and people were hopeless and brutally treated.

They still had the circle, Apostates, the Chantry, brutal slavery (either being a brutal slave owner or being a brutally-treated slave) racism, an oppressive government and a corrupt military.

TIme for a change.

I didn't see happy anywhere.

True, except for the slaves part. The Fereldeners (?) seem to take pride in the 'no slaves here' thing. Elves are mistreated, actively discriminated against and held in disdain, but they are free.

[Recidiva]

tmp7704 wrote...

That's fine; it just irks me to see personal opinions/impressions passed in the form that make them look like established "prime fiction" of the game itself. Mainly because with the number of people who potentially read it some of them are bound not to know any better and take these opinions as something that does in fact happen in game and then spread this "knowledge" further. And that makes any attempt at sensible debate down the road harder. So when i see an instance of it... well, yeah. But admittedly that's just my personal pet peeve.

Now excuse me, i have a thread to start to express my moral outrage at Bioware making family of drug addicts the royal rulers of dwarf society. Someone said on the forums they were so it must be true.

Fair enough.  I always think that prefacing every statement with "this is my opinion" is redundant.

Same as i don't like saying "My personal friend" because really...is there another sort of friend?

I assume up front that people are aware I'm expressing opinions, particularly when regarding a game...which is fictional.

I can even question game canon on logic as it's still....fiction.

So I make the assumption everyone is stating opinion regarding art. 

[Recidiva]

ozsras wrote...

You know it's really funny how much you love your companions when on nightmare mode.

Seriously, I love every character right now. Clings tight to Wynne - cleansing aura rocks ya'll, it rocks!

ABSOLUTELY true.  That's why my evil runthrough is on easy.  Higher difficulty settings inspires a lot of loyalty when someone comes back to scrape you off the ground.

[Recidiva]

mousestalker wrote...

True, except for the slaves part. The Fereldeners (?) seem to take pride in the 'no slaves here' thing. Elves are mistreated, actively discriminated against and held in disdain, but they are free.

Human Ferelden's don't want to BE slaves to Orlesians.  Different thing than selling out the elves.

How can you be both free and actively discriminated against?

[ozsras]

Recidiva wrote...

ozsras wrote...

You know it's really funny how much you love your companions when on nightmare mode.

Seriously, I love every character right now. Clings tight to Wynne - cleansing aura rocks ya'll, it rocks!

ABSOLUTELY true.  That's why my evil runthrough is on easy.  Higher difficulty settings inspires a lot of loyalty when someone comes back to scrape you off the ground.

Right? Like, I liked Oghren but I didn't have strong feelings about him. Now? That little dude is AWESOME. He's going everywhere with me.

I need a group hug after the Deep Trenches. Huh, Shale would probably slam me (literally!) if I tried it though. Maybe we can all just hold hands and skip down to the Broodmother. Skipping is fun (but no dwarf tossing!). 

[mousestalker]

Recidiva wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

True, except for the slaves part. The Fereldeners (?) seem to take pride in the 'no slaves here' thing. Elves are mistreated, actively discriminated against and held in disdain, but they are free.

Human Ferelden's don't want to BE slaves to Orlesians.  Different thing than selling out the elves.

How can you be both free and actively discriminated against?

Well, the blacks in the US were free but discriminated against after the Civil War. They were not property (which is what a slave is). They could move from one hellhole to another at will. They could buy and sell with anyone who would trade with them. They could own property, vote (in theory) and sue and be sued.

Jews in Medieval Germany were free. They could not own property and could only live in ghettoes (bit of a generalization), but they were not property. 

One basic freedom that comes up talking to Lelianna when your character is an elf is serf vs free. If you can leave, the you are free, even if there is no place that welcomes you. If you must remain regardless, then you are not free.

[Recidiva]

mousestalker wrote...

Well, the blacks in the US were free but discriminated against after the Civil War. They were not property (which is what a slave is). They could move from one hellhole to another at will. They could buy and sell with anyone who would trade with them. They could own property, vote (in theory) and sue and be sued.

Jews in Medieval Germany were free. They could not own property and could only live in ghettoes (bit of a generalization), but they were not property. 

One basic freedom that comes up talking to Lelianna when your character is an elf is serf vs free. If you can leave, the you are free, even if there is no place that welcomes you. If you must remain regardless, then you are not free.

I don't want to get hung up in semantics here, but I just disagree.

When laws are made to specifically favor one group over another, it doesn't have to be stated as slavery.  It is oppression and legal discrimination.  When laws are equal for all groups and the law is applied according to action and not race, that's more free.  I'm sure elves don't get votes or legal representation, they are there because they're the descendents of slaves and have been offered no legal alternative.  They can't bear weapons, and from my Dalish background, there's an elf that leaves Denerim because he's forced to resort to theft when there was no employment and he's starving.  Elves clearly can't marry into any family that holds political power.

Whether or not it's slavery, it's not freedom under the law.  They're free to suffer.

[mousestalker]

Recidiva wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Well, the blacks in the US were free but discriminated against after the Civil War. They were not property (which is what a slave is). They could move from one hellhole to another at will. They could buy and sell with anyone who would trade with them. They could own property, vote (in theory) and sue and be sued.

Jews in Medieval Germany were free. They could not own property and could only live in ghettoes (bit of a generalization), but they were not property. 

One basic freedom that comes up talking to Lelianna when your character is an elf is serf vs free. If you can leave, the you are free, even if there is no place that welcomes you. If you must remain regardless, then you are not free.

I don't want to get hung up in semantics here, but I just disagree.

When laws are made to specifically favor one group over another, it doesn't have to be stated as slavery.  It is oppression and legal discrimination.  When laws are equal for all groups and the law is applied according to action and not race, that's more free.  I'm sure elves don't get votes or legal representation, they are there because they're the descendents of slaves and have been offered no legal alternative.  They can't bear weapons, and from my Dalish background, there's an elf that leaves Denerim because he's forced to resort to theft when there was no employment and he's starving.  Elves clearly can't marry into any family that holds political power.

Whether or not it's slavery, it's not freedom under the law.  They're free to suffer.

Yes. I may be picking nits, but please do not think I'm saying that sort of thing is good. There's an old German cartoon that depicts the various strata of their society as each layer taking a dump on the one below. It really really sucks to be stuck on the bottom.

[Seallyn]

Recidiva wrote...

I got the distinct impression that Ferelden was screwed even before the blight and people were hopeless and brutally treated.

They still had the circle, Apostates, the Chantry, brutal slavery (either being a brutal slave owner or being a brutally-treated slave) racism, an oppressive government and a corrupt military.

TIme for a change.

I didn't see happy anywhere.

Yeah I don't think they were either.  I mean it had only been 20 years(ish) since they had been occupied by Orlais, and the Orlesians treated them like crap.  So they are still trying to build up from all that mess.   

[tmp7704]

[quote]Recidiva wrote...

I don't want to get hung up in semantics here, but I just disagree.[/quote]
Ehh i don't think this is semantics (in the sense of "it's just nitpicking") it's about using words with the meaning they're supposed to have.

Slavery is owning other people as property. Freedom is condition where you're not a slave. What you call "freedom" is actually equality. There *is* distinction between these terms which is why the French have their motto of "Liberty, Equality, Brotherhood" rather than just "Liberty, Brotherhood".

Humans and elves in Ferelden aren't seen equal, but they're both free. Neither are slaves, which is why one of the nobles during the Landsmeet gets upset when he learns Loghain is trading the elves as property.
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Modifié par tmp7704, 23 décembre 2009 - 06:03 .

[Zachriel]

ozsras wrote...

You know it's really funny how much you love your companions when on nightmare mode.

No really. Wynne that crazy old bat - I love her. I truly, truly do.
(party: shale, oghren, wynne, pc 2 handed warrior)

PC: onwards to the deep trenches at level 11. we shall triumph!
Wynne: (questioning look) what was that dear? have you been drinking my lyrium potions again?
PC: pssh! just do what i tell you okay? alright guys let's go kick some darkspawn butt!
Oghren: *bleches*

Later:
PC: *coughs up blood* omg, omg everything hurts, you guys, omg you guys!
Wynne: yes, well I told you not to run right up to the forge master.
PC: yes, but - *hacks up blood* ugh, but remember *flaps hands* Charge! kick butt!
Wynne: yes, i remember, I also remember how much blood you spilled just trying to get to the forge master.
Shale: It bleeds far more than the other companions. It is quite squishy.
Oghren: *kicks forge master* huh, warden you made a fine distraction, good plan.
PC: uh...right that was my plan all along! I *rock*!
Wynne: *facepalm*

Seriously, I love every character right now. Clings tight to Wynne - cleansing aura rocks ya'll, it rocks!

lol!  No kidding.  I've been playing only on Nightmare lately, and I love it.  I don't think I'll ever play on a lower difficulty again.  My current party is me (dual wield warrior), Shale, Sten, and Morrigan.  We killed Wynne and I haven't taken any healing spells with Morrigan, so it's been even more difficult.  No real tank (I have Shale in scrapper mode), and no healer.  We just kind of spread the aggro around and the fighting gets broken up into small pockets of conflict between my team and the bad guys.  It's been surprisingly effective and incredibly fun.  I do have to keep returning to camp a lot though.  We ran out of injury kits a long, long time ago.

[Zachriel]

Oh, and by the way... You guys all suck, you know that? I mean, here I am trying to actually play the game, and my mind keeps wandering back to this thread. "I wonder what they're talking about now. Has Recidiva posted any new stories for us?"



Arrrgh, I'll never finish my current game at this rate.

[Recidiva]

Zachriel wrote...

Oh, and by the way... You guys all suck, you know that? I mean, here I am trying to actually play the game, and my mind keeps wandering back to this thread. "I wonder what they're talking about now. Has Recidiva posted any new stories for us?"

Arrrgh, I'll never finish my current game at this rate.

Okay, that made my day.  Thank you

*happy glow*