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[Recidiva]

sagevallant wrote...

Merry Christmas. I got Mariokart. So now I have to get good, in order to stomp my bro. It's rather... tedious...

When is Return to Ostagar coming out? It's the most highly anticipated hour of play ever

Yay Mariokart!  That's fun with four controllers.  My son's getting a Wii Nerf gun game for tomorrow, I imagine I'll be under fire for a big part of the game.  Consenting or no.

[Rabid Rob3]

Recidiva wrote...

Dun...dun...DUUUUUN!

Congratulations!

It's a nasty drug...If I could just score one more epilogue...that's all I need...no...that one's bugged...another one!  Wait, no, that one...another!  MORE!

Actually my Precious the Axameter, she said to me, YOU WILL RULE THEDAS in an echoey soprana heavenly chorus sort of voice, and I was like, Yesssss my Precious it shall be done.  And so I went and captured the Anvil of the Void, tried to seduce Branka, but again, I wasn't a girl, but I still got to be Paragon, and after my Precious chopped off Bhelen's head and put my nephew on the throne, I figured I'd make up to Branka and get the golem army oh yes my Precious, we shall conquer Thedas soooon...

[Recidiva]

Rabid Rob3 wrote...

Actually my Precious the Axameter, she said to me, YOU WILL RULE THEDAS in an echoey soprana heavenly chorus sort of voice, and I was like, Yesssss my Precious it shall be done.  And so I went and captured the Anvil of the Void, tried to seduce Branka, but again, I wasn't a girl, but I still got to be Paragon, and after my Precious chopped off Bhelen's head and put my nephew on the throne, I figured I'd make up to Branka and get the golem army oh yes my Precious, we shall conquer Thedas soooon...

It's that sorta thinking that makes games soooo much fun.

[Cybercat999]

sagevallant wrote...
Haven't bumped into a lot of people actually trying to convince other people they're the opposite gender. Most just use the "ass" excuse. I stick mainly to guys, just because I don't really see a benefit to rolling female because I don't look at the toon's ass either way. Plus all the dumb people who assume the sex of the toon reflects the sex of the player. If I do roll female out of boredom with the male animations, rest assured this toon will have the manliest name I can think of. Dudemeister, for example. Myself, I can generally pick up on the gamer's sex via speech cues. L33T5P33K makes this much harder, naturally.

I generally address people by character gender, unless they correct me. I dont really care what gender they are irl. I never play male characters since I cant indentify with them, I only played male toon in DA:O once to get achievement and it felt as wrong as putting my slipper on wrong foot. I just cant.
Funny thing is people usually think I am a male, maybe I dont act in whatever they assume should be a "girlish" way. I dont have problem with men playing females or vice versa, I dont care about anything much but how good players they are and how our playstyles fit.

I never use leet speak though, in years of online gaming I got to understand it pretty well but I refuse to consider it anything but laziness and lack of education.

[Sialater]

My friend tried to save the mages, but failed to rescue Irving. We're waiting to see if her game is bugged through Landsmeet. My husband read Eamon sometimes won't talk to you if Isolde had to die. (Which, if you did the Tower before Redcliffe and opt not to kill Connor....)







I play girls. Exclusively. Playing men just feels too odd.

[Zachriel]

MERRY NEWYEAR!  AH HA HA!
Merry Christmas folks.  I hope you all have a good one. 

[Zandilar]

Heya,

This thing seems to muck up quoting, so I'll just address relevant points (plus this is the third time I've tried this... I'm getting used to a new mouse I recieved for christmas this morning, *grumble* I keep accidentally clicking the back button, and when I do that I lose everything I wrote).

So... responding to Recidiva.

Gender IC and Gender OOC

It seems more of a problem for men than women, and I think it stems from some underlying insecurity regarding their sexuality. They feel that if they flirt with a female character played by a male player, that it somehow makes them gay. Of course, that's a totally ridiculous reaction, but it seems more subconscious than anything else. This is also the reason why these men jeer at men who are comfortable enough to play female characters and put them down. It's kind of a form of transphobia, when it really comes down to it, IMHO.

I am sure there are some women out there who feel the same way, but they seem much rarer. The only experience I have to compare it to myself, is when I (well, my character) was flirting with this female character, and I was starting to like the player OOC, but then found out that the player was actually male. I was quite disappointed, but not because I thought "ewww I might be heterosexual!", it was more because there was a level of intimacy that turned out to be an illusion. In the end, I am grateful to him for telling me. It hasn't, I might add, stopped me from flirting with female characters, even when I knew their players were male.

Playing Male

I might have overstated my attitude last time. I am supposedly a professional writer (no, nothing published yet), and I also DM Dungeons and Dragons, so I really can play male characters (well, so my players and my partner tell me anyway). It's just that I don't relate to them entirely, and if I am in a situation where I get a choice of gender, I go with what I'm comfortable with.

I, too, resent the heck out of games where I can't chose the gender of my character. Back in the day, before I was completely out, I used to love playing male leads in games, because I could get the girl... Like Wing Commander III, for example. But now... there's no reason. Especially in a game like DA, where there actually is a female NPC my female PC can romance. Though I must admit to being a touch disappointed by the main trailer for ME2 and it's "band of brothers" theme (it's John Sheperd with two of the male NPCs with him, and a voice over talking about how he was gathering a band of brothers)... Bioware, honestly! You want women to play your games, then you pull this gender exclusive crud like that?! For a split second (and only a split second), I considered not buying ME2 (when it comes out) in protest... But I'm a Bioware junkie... *sigh* Australia Day 2010 is Mass Effect 2 Day, at least for me.

Role Playing Online

I kind of gave up on that whole idea early in the piece, when I realized that games (even MMOs) were far too limited in scope to effectively support real Role Playing. I guess I ran into too many problems with people changing the world to suit themselves, even when it went against the original content of the game world.

For example - Teir'dal using the Faerunian Drowic language (back when EQ didn't have an RP server!). Yes, I know the Teir'dal were based on the Drow, but the similarities were only superficial. But it wasn't just the language, some people were also trying to project Drowic culture onto the Teir'dal. I mean, Innoruuk is not a Lolth substitute... And if you want to think about it in Forgotten Realms terms, it was like trying to replace Lolth (CE) with Bane (LE). It just doesn't work. I could go on about it, but I suspect it's way off topic.

I guess the experience of seeing that, back in the early days of MMORPGs, put me off RPing in MMOs for life. Call me an elitist, but that's just my feeling.

[Recidiva]

Zandilar wrote...

Heya,

This thing seems to muck up quoting, so I'll just address relevant points (plus this is the third time I've tried this... I'm getting used to a new mouse I recieved for christmas this morning, *grumble* I keep accidentally clicking the back button, and when I do that I lose everything I wrote).

So... responding to Recidiva.

Gender IC and Gender OOC

It seems more of a problem for men than women, and I think it stems from some underlying insecurity regarding their sexuality. They feel that if they flirt with a female character played by a male player, that it somehow makes them gay. Of course, that's a totally ridiculous reaction, but it seems more subconscious than anything else. This is also the reason why these men jeer at men who are comfortable enough to play female characters and put them down. It's kind of a form of transphobia, when it really comes down to it, IMHO.

I am sure there are some women out there who feel the same way, but they seem much rarer. The only experience I have to compare it to myself, is when I (well, my character) was flirting with this female character, and I was starting to like the player OOC, but then found out that the player was actually male. I was quite disappointed, but not because I thought "ewww I might be heterosexual!", it was more because there was a level of intimacy that turned out to be an illusion. In the end, I am grateful to him for telling me. It hasn't, I might add, stopped me from flirting with female characters, even when I knew their players were male.

Playing Male

I might have overstated my attitude last time. I am supposedly a professional writer (no, nothing published yet), and I also DM Dungeons and Dragons, so I really can play male characters (well, so my players and my partner tell me anyway). It's just that I don't relate to them entirely, and if I am in a situation where I get a choice of gender, I go with what I'm comfortable with.

I, too, resent the heck out of games where I can't chose the gender of my character. Back in the day, before I was completely out, I used to love playing male leads in games, because I could get the girl... Like Wing Commander III, for example. But now... there's no reason. Especially in a game like DA, where there actually is a female NPC my female PC can romance. Though I must admit to being a touch disappointed by the main trailer for ME2 and it's "band of brothers" theme (it's John Sheperd with two of the male NPCs with him, and a voice over talking about how he was gathering a band of brothers)... Bioware, honestly! You want women to play your games, then you pull this gender exclusive crud like that?! For a split second (and only a split second), I considered not buying ME2 (when it comes out) in protest... But I'm a Bioware junkie... *sigh* Australia Day 2010 is Mass Effect 2 Day, at least for me.

Role Playing Online

I kind of gave up on that whole idea early in the piece, when I realized that games (even MMOs) were far too limited in scope to effectively support real Role Playing. I guess I ran into too many problems with people changing the world to suit themselves, even when it went against the original content of the game world.

For example - Teir'dal using the Faerunian Drowic language (back when EQ didn't have an RP server!). Yes, I know the Teir'dal were based on the Drow, but the similarities were only superficial. But it wasn't just the language, some people were also trying to project Drowic culture onto the Teir'dal. I mean, Innoruuk is not a Lolth substitute... And if you want to think about it in Forgotten Realms terms, it was like trying to replace Lolth (CE) with Bane (LE). It just doesn't work. I could go on about it, but I suspect it's way off topic.

I guess the experience of seeing that, back in the early days of MMORPGs, put me off RPing in MMOs for life. Call me an elitist, but that's just my feeling.

Yup, good points, all.

I also think there's just a lack of ability to act or a lack of interest in committing to doing it, or even an understanding of some of the basic assumptions of roleplaying.  If a person means acting out a junkie means you hire a junkie to do the job (and I know this is the case for many people) then they don't know the difference between appearance and reality.  I can understand it, and I don't think it really indicates anything other than a lack of interest in the idea of roleplay.  Same as I can't really be brought to care about some fo the rules of sports games.  Don't care, won't care, doesn't mean I'm unintelligent, means I'm entirely disinterested and plan on staying that way, so I stay out of the way of the die-hard fans and don't insult their involvement.

People who go to games to win have different goals than people who go to games to play.  Or in my case...meander all over the place with no basic purpose other than exploration and situation.

My background and my intention is purely to play and to act and to write.  And the game is a venue.  I'm there to succeed, but I'm not there to win.  So it's the personality differences that make me stick to certain communities.

I don't care about your equipment or your DPS or your uberness.  I care about what are we are doing right now and is it fun and creative.  I'd have more fun dying with a group roleplaying incompetence than I have fun living with a group who takes all the wrong aspects of pretend seriously from my viewpoint.

Which is why I rarely group.  Although that might be a tactical challenge, it takes too long, most of the conversation is OOC and it's usually going to end up with a couple of people squabbling over gear.  Eeeew.

Even among gamers there's a huge variation in motivation and purpose for playing.   So most of my favorite games are RPGs and then beyond that I prefer a fantasy setting.  Then I'll choose a character and a backstory and make my way through a game with those starting conditions and probably not change them unless there's a really compelling roleplay reason to have an epiphany.

For instance, with my hunter in WoW I'm probably absolutely useless for grouping and disdainful and mistrustful of dungeons.  With the fact that pet pathing is insane indoors, that only solidifies my interest in staying away from large groups of people.  Since I'm practically unkillable outside, and I play a deep bond with my pet, I'm offended at anyone asking me to dismiss my pet or have a more "dungeon friendly" spec.

Most players will pick a group supportive spec and then stick wtih the strategy of grouping.  I choose to play the game with the challenge of figuring out how to solo each character.  Making me useless for groups, and since I never join groups, if I do out of some whim or duress, everyone treats me like I'm stupid anyway because I'm not doing what they consider useful to the group.  My character isn't the slightest bit interested in hearing why my heritage is useless, my gear is crap (usually all self crafted) so I just stay out of their way.

I find that MMORPGs have certain grouping conventions and I find those to be intensely...boring.  I usually pick a spec for a roleplay reason and then get my back up about it or I'm entirely dismissive of anybody's reasoning as to why I should play my game to suit their needs.

So I have a great time, but I'm usually funny or obnoxious and get dismissed for being dumb.  Or even funnier - they think I bought my account and it's my first day.  Even if I've been playing since Beta, but my "game knowledge" is confined to that character's experience and knowledge.  

I play on roleplay servers so it's assumed people don't take my attitude or humor or lack of "Let's go A to B and kill the boss and get the loot" personally.  I'm meandering.  It's what I do.

[Seallyn]

Recidiva wrote...

Yup, good points, all.

I also think there's just a lack of ability to act or a lack of interest in committing to doing it, or even an understanding of some of the basic assumptions of roleplaying.  If a person means acting out a junkie means you hire a junkie to do the job (and I know this is the case for many people) then they don't know the difference between appearance and reality.  I can understand it, and I don't think it really indicates anything other than a lack of interest in the idea of roleplay.  Same as I can't really be brought to care about some fo the rules of sports games.  Don't care, won't care, doesn't mean I'm unintelligent, means I'm entirely disinterested and plan on staying that way, so I stay out of the way of the die-hard fans and don't insult their involvement.

People who go to games to win have different goals than people who go to games to play.  Or in my case...meander all over the place with no basic purpose other than exploration and situation.

My background and my intention is purely to play and to act and to write.  And the game is a venue.  I'm there to succeed, but I'm not there to win.  So it's the personality differences that make me stick to certain communities.

I don't care about your equipment or your DPS or your uberness.  I care about what are we are doing right now and is it fun and creative.  I'd have more fun dying with a group roleplaying incompetence than I have fun living with a group who takes all the wrong aspects of pretend seriously from my viewpoint.

Which is why I rarely group.  Although that might be a tactical challenge, it takes too long, most of the conversation is OOC and it's usually going to end up with a couple of people squabbling over gear.  Eeeew.

Even among gamers there's a huge variation in motivation and purpose for playing.   So most of my favorite games are RPGs and then beyond that I prefer a fantasy setting.  Then I'll choose a character and a backstory and make my way through a game with those starting conditions and probably not change them unless there's a really compelling roleplay reason to have an epiphany.

For instance, with my hunter in WoW I'm probably absolutely useless for grouping and disdainful and mistrustful of dungeons.  With the fact that pet pathing is insane indoors, that only solidifies my interest in staying away from large groups of people.  Since I'm practically unkillable outside, and I play a deep bond with my pet, I'm offended at anyone asking me to dismiss my pet or have a more "dungeon friendly" spec.

Most players will pick a group supportive spec and then stick wtih the strategy of grouping.  I choose to play the game with the challenge of figuring out how to solo each character.  Making me useless for groups, and since I never join groups, if I do out of some whim or duress, everyone treats me like I'm stupid anyway because I'm not doing what they consider useful to the group.  My character isn't the slightest bit interested in hearing why my heritage is useless, my gear is crap (usually all self crafted) so I just stay out of their way.

I find that MMORPGs have certain grouping conventions and I find those to be intensely...boring.  I usually pick a spec for a roleplay reason and then get my back up about it or I'm entirely dismissive of anybody's reasoning as to why I should play my game to suit their needs.

So I have a great time, but I'm usually funny or obnoxious and get dismissed for being dumb.  Or even funnier - they think I bought my account and it's my first day.  Even if I've been playing since Beta, but my "game knowledge" is confined to that character's experience and knowledge.  

I play on roleplay servers so it's assumed people don't take my attitude or humor or lack of "Let's go A to B and kill the boss and get the loot" personally.  I'm meandering.  It's what I do.

Yay for meandering.  I didn't play WoW for very long, I got sick of all the traveling and didn't have the money to keep up with the account, but while I was on I never joined a group.  I DIDN'T know what I was doing, but I was having fun figuring it out on my own without people telling me what I was suppose to do.  I ended up as a hunter, it for me was the easiest to do solo, cause, it's you and a pet instead of just you.  Made fights a little easier.

I was so glad when I found out DA wasn't online.  I just wanted to play a game and have fun.  For me DA has been the best game I've ever played even with all it's hang-ups and heartbreaks.  But then I've gotten into gaming kinda late.  I had a super nintendo when I was a kid and then the sega genesis, but it was my brother who continued with the playstation/2 and PC games.  Even if I wanted to play he was on ALL the time and I didn't care enough nor did we have enough money to get another console or computer.  So it wasn't until I got my own computer a couple years ago that I was even able to play games.   The very first game I bought was Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and the expansion Frozen Throne.  I had watched my brother play and even played a little myself, but I was never able to finish so when the opportunity came I took it.   

[Recidiva]

Seallyn wrote...


Yay for meandering.  I didn't play WoW for very long, I got sick of all the traveling and didn't have the money to keep up with the account, but while I was on I never joined a group.  I DIDN'T know what I was doing, but I was having fun figuring it out on my own without people telling me what I was suppose to do.  I ended up as a hunter, it for me was the easiest to do solo, cause, it's you and a pet instead of just you.  Made fights a little easier.

I was so glad when I found out DA wasn't online.  I just wanted to play a game and have fun.  For me DA has been the best game I've ever played even with all it's hang-ups and heartbreaks.  But then I've gotten into gaming kinda late.  I had a super nintendo when I was a kid and then the sega genesis, but it was my brother who continued with the playstation/2 and PC games.  Even if I wanted to play he was on ALL the time and I didn't care enough nor did we have enough money to get another console or computer.  So it wasn't until I got my own computer a couple years ago that I was even able to play games.   The very first game I bought was Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and the expansion Frozen Throne.  I had watched my brother play and even played a little myself, but I was never able to finish so when the opportunity came I took it.   

My dad was a programmer at IBM.  When I was a kid that got me access to some of the first home PCs and then my own PC Jr.  So I've been playing games since Adventure, Zork...King's Quest...Bard's Tale...Wizardry...

Pretty much an unbroken line of games played back to...there being no computers to game upon.

[Seallyn]

Recidiva wrote...


My dad was a programmer at IBM.  When I was a kid that got me access to some of the first home PCs and then my own PC Jr.  So I've been playing games since Adventure, Zork...King's Quest...Bard's Tale...Wizardry...

Pretty much an unbroken line of games played back to...there being no computers to game upon.

I remember when my family first got our computer.  I think I was 10, maybe, it was the summer before I started middle school.  It had Monopoly and Wheel of Fortune, both which I played to death.  And with the Nintendo we had Super Mario Brothers.  I was the first to beat it.  Then there was that old game Contra.  My mom played that with us.  That was a fun game.  On the Sega we had Sonic the Hedgehog.  I think my brother beat that one.  That's when he started to get really good at gaming and blew everyone out of the water.  Except for FPS.  There was this one game, I don't remember what it was called, where you're in some ship and you had to shoot a bunch of giant bugs or something, and that was all the game was.  I beat the crap out of my brother.  He's the strategist.  I just shoot everything. 

[Zachriel]

It seems more of a problem for men than women, and I think it stems from some underlying insecurity regarding their sexuality. They feel that if they flirt with a female character played by a male player, that it somehow makes them gay. Of course, that's a totally ridiculous reaction, but it seems more subconscious than anything else. This is also the reason why these men jeer at men who are comfortable enough to play female characters and put them down. It's kind of a form of transphobia, when it really comes down to it, IMHO.

Oh, I think you're absolutely right.  I know a lot of men who just like that.  In fact, I used to be one of them when I was younger.  You know what's really fun?  Playing a male character and hitting on their male character.  Or hell, even hitting on the player himself.  Really makes them freak out.  Great for a laugh. 

I kind of gave up on that whole idea early in the piece, when I realized that games (even MMOs) were far too limited in scope to effectively support real Role Playing. I guess I ran into too many problems with people changing the world to suit themselves, even when it went against the original content of the game world.
For example - Teir'dal using the Faerunian Drowic language (back when EQ didn't have an RP server!). Yes, I know the Teir'dal were based on the Drow, but the similarities were only superficial. But it wasn't just the language, some people were also trying to project Drowic culture onto the Teir'dal. I mean, Innoruuk is not a Lolth substitute... And if you want to think about it in Forgotten Realms terms, it was like trying to replace Lolth (CE) with Bane (LE). It just doesn't work. I could go on about it, but I suspect it's way off topic.
I guess the experience of seeing that, back in the early days of MMORPGs, put me off RPing in MMOs for life. Call me an elitist, but that's just my feeling.

EQ was my first online game, and I went into it fully expecting to do a lot of roleplaying.  My first character was a Tier'Dal, and I had exactly the experience you describe above.  I seemed to be the only person on my server who was interested in playing a Tier'Dal rather than a Drow.   You wouldn't come to a DnD campaign and say you're going to play a Tier'Dal who worships Innoruuk, so why come to EQ and say you're a Drow follower of Lloth?  After a while, I just gave up.

Before EQ, I used to do "free form" role playing online, which basically consists of creating a character then interacting with other people's characters on a forum and in chat rooms.  It was fun for a while, but it really highlighted my creative limitations.  I have no problem creating characters and giving them a personality and background, but I couldn't come up with an original, compelling storyline if my life depended on it.  So I was always kind of tagging along with others, just sort of reacting to what they came up with. 

More recently, some friends and I have gotten into pen and paper games.  We have a DnD campaign that's on hold until after the new year when everybody's back from holiday.  I have to agree, role playing in person has been much more fun than it ever was online.  We are the worst heroes ever!  

[Cybercat999]

Recidiva wrote...

My background and my intention is purely to play and to act and to write.  And the game is a venue.  I'm there to succeed, but I'm not there to win.  So it's the personality differences that make me stick to certain communities.

I don't care about your equipment or your DPS or your uberness.  I care about what are we are doing right now and is it fun and creative.  I'd have more fun dying with a group roleplaying incompetence than I have fun living with a group who takes all the wrong aspects of pretend seriously from my viewpoint.

Which is why I rarely group.  Although that might be a tactical challenge, it takes too long, most of the conversation is OOC and it's usually going to end up with a couple of people squabbling over gear.  Eeeew.

Even among gamers there's a huge variation in motivation and purpose for playing.   So most of my favorite games are RPGs and then beyond that I prefer a fantasy setting.  Then I'll choose a character and a backstory and make my way through a game with those starting conditions and probably not change them unless there's a really compelling roleplay reason to have an epiphany.

For instance, with my hunter in WoW I'm probably absolutely useless for grouping and disdainful and mistrustful of dungeons.  With the fact that pet pathing is insane indoors, that only solidifies my interest in staying away from large groups of people.  Since I'm practically unkillable outside, and I play a deep bond with my pet, I'm offended at anyone asking me to dismiss my pet or have a more "dungeon friendly" spec.

Most players will pick a group supportive spec and then stick wtih the strategy of grouping.  I choose to play the game with the challenge of figuring out how to solo each character.  Making me useless for groups, and since I never join groups, if I do out of some whim or duress, everyone treats me like I'm stupid anyway because I'm not doing what they consider useful to the group.  My character isn't the slightest bit interested in hearing why my heritage is useless, my gear is crap (usually all self crafted) so I just stay out of their way.

I find that MMORPGs have certain grouping conventions and I find those to be intensely...boring.  I usually pick a spec for a roleplay reason and then get my back up about it or I'm entirely dismissive of anybody's reasoning as to why I should play my game to suit their needs.

So I have a great time, but I'm usually funny or obnoxious and get dismissed for being dumb.  Or even funnier - they think I bought my account and it's my first day.  Even if I've been playing since Beta, but my "game knowledge" is confined to that character's experience and knowledge.  

I play on roleplay servers so it's assumed people don't take my attitude or humor or lack of "Let's go A to B and kill the boss and get the loot" personally.  I'm meandering.  It's what I do.

I have no problem with anyone playing your way as long as they keep to themselves and dont demand that everyone plays their way, or dont expect to "beat" the game because somebody else did.
WoW is the game based on loot and progression and endgame is impossible without grouping. Not that I am delighted over such attitude myself, I prefer if I can have the chance not to group if I dont want to...... but hardly any MMO gives that opportunity, the most challenging content is never beatable solo. And I do like challenges.

I must say I find fun in assembling the group that can work together and eventually beat something hard. To do that I am forced to pay attention to gear/DPS, not because of "uberness" but because some encounters are simply not doable without good equipment and decent knowledge of group work. I prefer checking on someone than getting frustrated with numerous wiping just because somebody never cared to learn any group tactics.

You say you never group, I admire that. Sadly there are lot of players not aware of their ignorance - they demand groups and loot and get offended when you turn them down because they are just not good enough specced/geared/whatever for some endgame encounter. Its not that I personally want to put them down, its just that I want to save myself and my other group members frustration.
I would never call you dumb. You play your way, I play my way. Neither is better or worse. Its only when people like you do want to group and then dont understand why people like me get frustrated with them that causes problems.

[Recidiva]

Cybercat999 wrote...

I have no problem with anyone playing your way as long as they keep to themselves and dont demand that everyone plays their way, or dont expect to "beat" the game because somebody else did.
WoW is the game based on loot and progression and endgame is impossible without grouping. Not that I am delighted over such attitude myself, I prefer if I can have the chance not to group if I dont want to...... but hardly any MMO gives that opportunity, the most challenging content is never beatable solo. And I do like challenges.

I must say I find fun in assembling the group that can work together and eventually beat something hard. To do that I am forced to pay attention to gear/DPS, not because of "uberness" but because some encounters are simply not doable without good equipment and decent knowledge of group work. I prefer checking on someone than getting frustrated with numerous wiping just because somebody never cared to learn any group tactics.

You say you never group, I admire that. Sadly there are lot of players not aware of their ignorance - they demand groups and loot and get offended when you turn them down because they are just not good enough specced/geared/whatever for some endgame encounter. Its not that I personally want to put them down, its just that I want to save myself and my other group members frustration.
I would never call you dumb. You play your way, I play my way. Neither is better or worse. Its only when people like you do want to group and then dont understand why people like me get frustrated with them that causes problems.

Oh, no, I don't make anybody try to do it my way.  I just play my way and that's the way I do it.

I also play games all the time while working, so I'm almost never "just" playing.  I'm playing for a few minutes in one window and then working for a few minutes in another, and then maybe posting for a few minutes and then I get up and do a few chores...so all my gaming has to be in little bites and also since it's likely I'll be afk and possibly dead at any moment...I just don't group.

The only reason I've grouped lately in Warcraft was for achievements.  And I found that aspect of things incredibly elitist and rude.  I'm not intimidated, I just don't want to be around it at all.  The assumption that everyone in a roleplay game must always think the same is just something that confounds me in the sense not that I don't get it, but that I don't like it and it's not interesting and I won't do it. 

I'm just a hard-core soloist and roleplayer.  I hardly ever explain myself or feel the need to defend myself because that's not what I'm doing.  I'm well aware I'm in the minority.   I've also never told anyone else what to do and I've never been the reason for a party wiping out.

Hours and hours of sitting around and waiting for people just seems like an escort mission to me.   I hate escort missions and timed missions and anything that gets in the way of me being able to walk away from the keyboard and chase after something else I'm used to chasing.

The gear is never worth the slog to me.  Too little reward for so much time.  And I used to do some hard-core EQ and Camelot raids or PVP or whatever that would take long, long, LOOOONG hours of risk for little payoff compared to Warcraft.  I've also spent years being tank or healer or whatever and I have no interest in teaching people how to do that or even being that any more.  Mastered the classes and did that for years.  Husband and I spent years and years running guilds and raids in muds and RPGs and all that stuff.  I think years in MUDs and then five years as a druid in Everquest burned me out on that.

I used to play MUDs where I'd risk having all my gear melt off me and real death and end up with nothing and have to start over.  And we're talking probably hundreds of hours of work going into gear that I could customize, enchant and even name myself, and...poof.  Warcraft is fun and pretty and that's what I want it for.  I've had my fill of serious raiding.  I used to do it, I just don't any more, really. 

But Warcraft suffers from something those games didn't...a gamer community that takes the stuff itself seriously, but not the roleplaying.  So that's not what I'm there for.  I hung out with groups that took both things seriously and without the roleplay I'm not interested.

I've played lots of games...I'm not all that interested necessarily in the challenge aspect.  Fun and easy is good if the roleplay's missing.

I get my serious challenge from reality or from expectations of sadistic games of years past.  So this is just my fun escape.  If it's not fun, I don't go there.  I can hang with a group of people that can effectively roleplay and effectively run a raid without tipping into melodrama and impatience.  But I'm not interested in someone barking orders and being Oh Captian, My Captain.  Respect is earned and if I just met someone, I'm not about to do what they say.  If they elect themselves mighty leader, I don't know them at all and I'm not going to agree because I want gear.  Rudeness and presumption will be met with rudeness and presumption, most like.

People being frustrated with that just makes me internally giggle and externally make up whatever I want to say at the moment.

[sagevallant]

Personally, I don't really get into roleplaying. I think it's because I'm comfortable with being a boring person by most standards. I'd much rather someone read the story I've written than a biography about me. And yet, the stories I do write revolve more around amusing characters than intricate plot design. If I do ever decide to write a plot story, I'll need someone with a mentality other than "KILL'EM ALL!" who takes it as morally offensive when someone else even THINKS that they can fight better than him. Though at least the character I'm trying to get published has a pretty recognizable need to be the alpha male.



Roleplaying in a game kills the fun of being god in your own little universe though, which after much self-reflection seems to be why I like writing. But after a childhood immersed in the final fantasy games, you could say I'm slanted more towards the heroic adventure than being a jobber adventurer. Possibly why I still enjoy shounen anime / manga, because up to a certain point it's great to see the main character just break through his limits, pulling out the "Move Of Ultimate Ass Kickery" (no Jutsu, if you like to make fun of Naruto). The problem with these shows is that it escalates too far too fast. Plus, shounen feels the need to make everyone sympathetic--I blame this story-telling style for why Darth Vader had to start out as a freakin kid. Sometimes, it's just more fun for someone to be evil. (refer to Badass Decay on tvtropes.org)

[Recidiva]

sagevallant wrote...

Personally, I don't really get into roleplaying. I think it's because I'm comfortable with being a boring person by most standards. I'd much rather someone read the story I've written than a biography about me. And yet, the stories I do write revolve more around amusing characters than intricate plot design. If I do ever decide to write a plot story, I'll need someone with a mentality other than "KILL'EM ALL!" who takes it as morally offensive when someone else even THINKS that they can fight better than him. Though at least the character I'm trying to get published has a pretty recognizable need to be the alpha male.

Roleplaying in a game kills the fun of being god in your own little universe though, which after much self-reflection seems to be why I like writing. But after a childhood immersed in the final fantasy games, you could say I'm slanted more towards the heroic adventure than being a jobber adventurer. Possibly why I still enjoy shounen anime / manga, because up to a certain point it's great to see the main character just break through his limits, pulling out the "Move Of Ultimate Ass Kickery" (no Jutsu, if you like to make fun of Naruto). The problem with these shows is that it escalates too far too fast. Plus, shounen feels the need to make everyone sympathetic--I blame this story-telling style for why Darth Vader had to start out as a freakin kid. Sometimes, it's just more fun for someone to be evil. (refer to Badass Decay on tvtropes.org)

Right.  I usually use the "God Game" aspect of my personality in stuff like Civilization or Alpha Centauri or Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

Roleplaying requries being flawed, interesting, and entertaining.

My stories tend to veer toward the emotional content and usually character and dialogue take precedence over plot, but hopefully they'll all dovetail.  I definitely prize character over story usually and will be entirely bored by a brilliant plot but nobody to care about in the least.

Which is why James Bond is one of my least favorite genres ever.

[Zachriel]

Inspired by the Libertarian's Cowl, and a Family Guy clip about the Pope:

Wynne:  Warden, it's time to get up.
Me: Bleeaaah! *rolls over, pulling blankets over head*
Wynne: Come on, Warden, you have to get up and stop the Blight.
Me:  I don't wanna stop the Blight.  Make Allistair do it.
Wynne: Allistair has to be king.
Allistair: I don't wann be king!
Wynne: Maker's Breath, I've had just about enough out of you two!  Now, GET UP!!
Me:  Fine.  *deep, put upon sigh*
Wynne: *holding the Libertarian's Cowl* Good.  Now put on your hat -
Me:  No!  It's a stupid hat!
Wynne:  Warden, put on your hat and let's go!
Me: Aw, man. . .  *puts on the cowl and trudges dejectedly out of camp to find more darkspawn*

[HarlequinDream]

I've taken to saving things like "noble clothing" and, in my city elf game, both Soris and I's wedding clothing so that I can make my party look really nice (except Alistair gets to wear pretty armor) when we enter the Landsmeet.

[Seallyn]

Zachriel wrote...

Inspired by the Libertarian's Cowl, and a Family Guy clip about the Pope:

Wynne:  Warden, it's time to get up.
Me: Bleeaaah! *rolls over, pulling blankets over head*
Wynne: Come on, Warden, you have to get up and stop the Blight.
Me:  I don't wanna stop the Blight.  Make Allistair do it.
Wynne: Allistair has to be king.
Allistair: I don't wann be king!
Wynne: Maker's Breath, I've had just about enough out of you two!  Now, GET UP!!
Me:  Fine.  *deep, put upon sigh*
Wynne: *holding the Libertarian's Cowl* Good.  Now put on your hat -
Me:  No!  It's a stupid hat!
Wynne:  Warden, put on your hat and let's go!
Me: Aw, man. . .  *puts on the cowl and trudges dejectedly out of camp to find more darkspawn*

HA!  Nice.

[Seallyn]

Inspired by American Dad:



PC runs to kill the Arch Demon. She pulls a sword out of the back of a dead genlock. She screams as she lifts the blade and brings it down with otherworldly force, the dragon's body twitching from the death blow. A light shines as she feels her essence battling with the demon. With the last bit of strength left in her body, she says...



Later world, smell my ass.



Falls to the ground.

[Cybercat999]

Recidiva wrote...

I get my serious challenge from reality or from expectations of sadistic games of years past.  So this is just my fun escape.  If it's not fun, I don't go there.  I can hang with a group of people that can effectively roleplay and effectively run a raid without tipping into melodrama and impatience.  But I'm not interested in someone barking orders and being Oh Captian, My Captain.  Respect is earned and if I just met someone, I'm not about to do what they say.  If they elect themselves mighty leader, I don't know them at all and I'm not going to agree because I want gear.  Rudeness and presumption will be met with rudeness and presumption, most like.

People being frustrated with that just makes me internally giggle and externally make up whatever I want to say at the moment.

The only thing that gets me frustrated is "give me a chance pls pls plzzzz" and probably my soft heart that does give them a chance. I should say "no"/ignore in most cases.
I hardly ever "elect" myself as a leader, I dont expect respect per se, if you know what you are doing and fit with the group I see no reason to give orders. There is such thing as group tactics though, and they can vary from fight to fight, the point is to agree on them and not go off doing whatever suits you at the moment without consideration for others.
I usually play in group that doesnt really need a leader, we know each other good enough. But if you as a stranger want to join in, I do expect you to agree with our decisions and do what I/we say, otherwise you have no place in my group. For me, its basic manners really, I am never rude but I do expect you to do your best considering team work.

But then I suppose you dont ask to be included in groups with people you dont know and then go off doing your thing just because you dont want to do what they say.

[sagevallant]

Recidiva wrote...

sagevallant wrote...

Personally, I don't really get into roleplaying. I think it's because I'm comfortable with being a boring person by most standards. I'd much rather someone read the story I've written than a biography about me. And yet, the stories I do write revolve more around amusing characters than intricate plot design. If I do ever decide to write a plot story, I'll need someone with a mentality other than "KILL'EM ALL!" who takes it as morally offensive when someone else even THINKS that they can fight better than him. Though at least the character I'm trying to get published has a pretty recognizable need to be the alpha male.

Roleplaying in a game kills the fun of being god in your own little universe though, which after much self-reflection seems to be why I like writing. But after a childhood immersed in the final fantasy games, you could say I'm slanted more towards the heroic adventure than being a jobber adventurer. Possibly why I still enjoy shounen anime / manga, because up to a certain point it's great to see the main character just break through his limits, pulling out the "Move Of Ultimate Ass Kickery" (no Jutsu, if you like to make fun of Naruto). The problem with these shows is that it escalates too far too fast. Plus, shounen feels the need to make everyone sympathetic--I blame this story-telling style for why Darth Vader had to start out as a freakin kid. Sometimes, it's just more fun for someone to be evil. (refer to Badass Decay on tvtropes.org)

Right.  I usually use the "God Game" aspect of my personality in stuff like Civilization or Alpha Centauri or Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

Roleplaying requries being flawed, interesting, and entertaining.

My stories tend to veer toward the emotional content and usually character and dialogue take precedence over plot, but hopefully they'll all dovetail.  I definitely prize character over story usually and will be entirely bored by a brilliant plot but nobody to care about in the least.

Which is why James Bond is one of my least favorite genres ever.

It's true, James Bond is a bad genre. I object to Bond villains. They're so... stereotypical. My bad guys are either menacing stereotypical (aka Jason from Friday the 13th. But can sprint like a cheetah) or a lot more sympathetic, ends-justify-the-means. Although it's generally The Forces of Evil versus the Forces of Less Evil. The concept that kicked off my novel was "I want to write a story about an evil henchman." Which of course devolved into a fairly heroic character that works for a "tyrant". I have also never written a Paladin / Knight character without making him comic relief by way of the Forces of Less Evil using him as the butt of all jokes. But then, the main protag is always found with a hand on either a woman or a glass of wine (on a good night, one in each hand) so he's quick to mock anyone who lives by a Code of Conduct. His road to chivalry is a bit different; women are meant to be cherished. Never harm one in front of him, especially a cute one. Children are also under his protection. Protection is null and void if the Protectee turns out to be really annoying.

[Seallyn]

At Flemeth's Hut-



Flemeth: She will earn what she takes (transforms into monsterous dragon)

PC: What the F***?

Leliana: (song of valor) AHHHHHHHHH!

PC: No Leliana don't....

Leliana is grabbed, dies in 2 seconds.

PC: Pfff...man screw this.

Wynne: You made a promise to help Morrigan.

PC: You know what? Screw Morrigan. (Faces dragon) Screw you too Janeway, and you know what, screw all you guys, I'm going home.

Alistair: I think I'm good with that.

Wynne: But...

PC: No, no, no, no, no, home.

PC and Alistair hop over bloodied corpse of Leliana and leave Wynne to face dragon alone.

Wynne: Horsefeathers.

[Seallyn]

Entering the Broodmother's Lair-

Ho ho ho ho ho
Alistair: Did you hear that?
Ah ha ha ha ha
Team turns the corner...
Broodmother: Kanji Ta!
Alistair: What?
Broodmother: Ya cho nee choo.
PC: I think, I think she's speaking Huttese!
Leliana: Huttese?
Broodmother: Bo shuda.
PC: Yup, it's Huttese. I guess we found Jabba's long lost sister. Either that or he got a sex change. Heh.
Alastair: Who?
PC: Uh...nevermind, but be on the look out for anything encased in carbonyte and a freaky little laughing Kowakian monkey-lizard.
Wynne: Excuse me?
Alistair: A Kovarkian what?
PC: Kowakian monkey-lizard. It's a weird, funky little monkey...lizard...thing.
*Group shrug

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[sagevallant]

Seallyn wrote...

Entering the Broodmother's Lair-

Ho ho ho ho ho
Alistair: Did you hear that?
Ah ha ha ha ha
Team turns the corner...
Broodmother: Kanji Ta!
Alistair: What?
Broodmother: Ya cho nee choo.
PC: I think, I think she's speaking Huttese!
Leliana: Huttese?
Broodmother: Bo shuda.
PC: Yup, it's Huttese. I guess we found Jabba's long lost sister. Either that or he got a sex change. Heh.
Alastair: Who?
PC: Uh...nevermind, but be on the look out for anything encased in carbonyte and a freaky little laughing Kowakian monkey-lizard.
Wynne: Excuse me?
Alistair: A Kovarkian what?
PC: Kowakian monkey-lizard. It's a weird, funky little monkey...lizard...thing.
*Group shrug

Me: Leliana! Quick! Throw on this slave-girl outfit I happen to be carrying around for absolutely no reason! Hutts are weak against scantily clad women with chains! mmm... yeah... like that... heheheh...

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