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[Lord Abrasion]

Sialater wrote...

I had no problem being a good mage. Jowan was my only friend growing up in the Tower, after all. Of course I'd trust him.

Doesn't mean I won't turn him into the Tower later, though, at Redcliffe.

My mage told Irving about their plans. She resented the Chantry for the way they control people. Since blood magic can be used to control minds, she thought that to become a blood mage was to become that which she hated. She'd be no better than the Chantry.

[Sialater]

Recidiva wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I had no problem being a good mage. Jowan was my only friend growing up in the Tower, after all. Of course I'd trust him.

Doesn't mean I won't turn him into the Tower later, though, at Redcliffe.

I did that the first time.

And then I did things slightly different the next.  And I asked him about being a blood mage and he lied.  Then I turned him in to Irving, who wanted me apparently to slaughter all those guards just so he could screw over Lily and prove to Gregoir that the Chantry is culpable.

Then I get tossed out on my ass either way and EVERYONE hates me.   Just for being honest.

And then in that play through, of course meeting a TEMPLAR as my partner was not my idea of bonding.

Nah, I forgave Jowan, sorta.  I had it in for Blood Mages after that....

She had a thing for Templars, though. 

[Recidiva]

Sialater wrote...

Nah, I forgave Jowan, sorta.  I had it in for Blood Mages after that....

She had a thing for Templars, though. 

As a person I just think Jowan is too weak to really be considered an adult.  So I just think he brings it on himself and he spent most of his time being tortured, so it's hard to not sorta like him for being well meaning, if entirely incompetent and clueless.  But my mage the second time through felt entirely betrayed by everyone in the tower. 

I'm surprised this playthrough.  I intended to LOSE Landsmeet.  I won without helping anybody in the dungeon.

Really, all I had to do was make Anora Queen.  And unhardened Alistair loves me for it.  EEW!EW!  EEEEW!  *shakes off the uck*

I hate politics.  So very, very much.

But he never asked me to sleep with him.  Go Alistair!  At this point I'd rather not, if it's all the same anyway.  I'd do it if I had to, but it's the last thing on my mind.  Mostly I'm impressed I've managed to amass 300 sovereigns in personal fortune.  That's enough for an island, isn't it?

[Seallyn]

Recidiva wrote...


Heh. 
"Fezzik, rip his arms off."
"Oh!  You mean this gate key!"

That's the line I think of when I'm getting the key from the Carta thugs.  Heh heh.

[Seallyn]

Recidiva wrote...

As a person I just think Jowan is too weak to really be considered an adult.  So I just think he brings it on himself and he spent most of his time being tortured, so it's hard to not sorta like him for being well meaning, if entirely incompetent and clueless.  But my mage the second time through felt entirely betrayed by everyone in the tower. 

I'm surprised this playthrough.  I intended to LOSE Landsmeet.  I won without helping anybody in the dungeon.

Really, all I had to do was make Anora Queen.  And unhardened Alistair loves me for it.  EEW!EW!  EEEEW!  *shakes off the uck*

I hate politics.  So very, very much.

But he never asked me to sleep with him.  Go Alistair!  At this point I'd rather not, if it's all the same anyway.  I'd do it if I had to, but it's the last thing on my mind.  Mostly I'm impressed I've managed to amass 300 sovereigns in personal fortune.  That's enough for an island, isn't it?

Aww...Jowan.  I have mixed feelings about him.  I think he's weak and annoying, but I can understand why he became a blood mage, even if I don't agree with it.  I think he could have found a better way to deal with everything.  Like maybe just keeping his relationship a secret or something, never turning to blood magic, since unless I remember incorrectly, that's the main reason he isn't put through the harrowing.  Of course it could be that he justs sucks, but whatever.  When you find him again in Redcliffe he does seem to be remorseful about what he's done, even takes his punishment with dignity.  I don't like how he's the ghost of your past in the Ruins.  He's saying, "We used to be friends, blah, blah."  I'm thinking, "Yeah!  Till you screwed me over, ya jerk!"

[Recidiva]

Seallyn wrote...

Aww...Jowan.  I have mixed feelings about him.  I think he's weak and annoying, but I can understand why he became a blood mage, even if I don't agree with it.  I think he could have found a better way to deal with everything.  Like maybe just keeping his relationship a secret or something, never turning to blood magic, since unless I remember incorrectly, that's the main reason he isn't put through the harrowing.  Of course it could be that he justs sucks, but whatever.  When you find him again in Redcliffe he does seem to be remorseful about what he's done, even takes his punishment with dignity.  I don't like how he's the ghost of your past in the Ruins.  He's saying, "We used to be friends, blah, blah."  I'm thinking, "Yeah!  Till you screwed me over, ya jerk!"

And that's the thing.  You have to have a massive strength of will to cope with the realities of being a mage to begin with, and an inhuman serene sense of the goodness in yourself to be a good person coming out of the mage tower.  Having been indoctrinated since being "detected" that you are to be cut off from everyone else, forever.

Had Jowan had the opportunity to grow up to be a butcher, a baker or a candlestick maker, he wouldn't have dabbled in blood magic.  He's an average guy with average capacities who was trying to survive and making poor choices along the way.

But it's telling that the first several playthroughs...I always let the female blood mage in the tower go.  I sympathize greatly with the pressure of tower life being completely intolerable and enough to twist anyone through desperation, real threat of demon possession every moment, and isolation from any sense of family life.

After fully seeing what blood mages do "in the wild" I always kill her now.  But I do think she has a point.  And so does Cullen.  And so does Jowan.  And so do I when I hate the place and want to burn it to the ground.

[Sialater]

Well, the Tower really brings its predicament on itself. Or rather the Chantry. However, if not for Loghain, would Uldred have had the guts to do what he did?

[Recidiva]

*non-Psychic impulse at Redcliffe before the final battle*



Me: Morrigan? What the ****?

Morrigan: Surprise!

Me: What...how do you have your robes and your gear? I send you away...YEARS ago. What...this is MY room.

Morrigan: I know...

Me: Out.

Morrigan: *pout*

Me: Don't make me escape you.

Morrigan: Fine. I'm going. ****.

Me: You know it. I swear, if I could kill you myself...

Morrigan: Like you're going to kill Alistair?

Me: Just so.

Morrigan: Why won't you...

Me: OUT!

Morrigan: *wolf form*

Me: DAMN it. MY GAME! MY ROOM!

[Recidiva]

Sialater wrote...

Well, the Tower really brings its predicament on itself. Or rather the Chantry. However, if not for Loghain, would Uldred have had the guts to do what he did?

Uldred wouldn't have had a following if he didn't have a good reason to rebel.

[Endurium]

I'm having trouble playing a third time because I remember everything from the first two times. Photographic memories suck when it comes to gaming, sometimes.

[Recidiva]

Endurium wrote...

I'm having trouble playing a third time because I remember everything from the first two times. Photographic memories suck when it comes to gaming, sometimes.

Hah!  Yeah, I have a really good ear for dialogue.  So I try to choose different things...or replay the ones I know I really love.

But now it's like listening to a song I like.  Still has a great beat.

[Recidiva]

*Alistair's speech*



Alistair: ...and still she fights with honor and passion!

Me: *busts out laughing*

Alistair: And she is too humble.

Me: *laughs harder*

Alistair: She's...overcome with...honor and passion.

Me: Right. I am. If it's any consolation, you give the speech much better than Anora does.

Alistair: Consolation for what, my love?

Me: Oh, nothing. Let's go kill some stuff.

[Sialater]

Recidiva wrote...

*Alistair's speech*

Alistair: ...and still she fights with honor and passion!
Me: *busts out laughing*
Alistair: And she is too humble.
Me: *laughs harder*
Alistair: She's...overcome with...honor and passion.
Me: Right. I am. If it's any consolation, you give the speech much better than Anora does.
Alistair: Consolation for what, my love?
Me: Oh, nothing. Let's go kill some stuff.

And uh... do me a favor and forgive me when I knock you unconscious, ok?

[Recidiva]

Sialater wrote...

And uh... do me a favor and forgive me when I knock you unconscious, ok?

Oh, I could.  But I'm not gonna.  He's gonna do the final blow.  Then I'm going to take off and buy an island.

I didn't say this time that I would take the final blow.  And he never actually slept with me.  I wonder if I have to tell him to do it or not.  He adores me, but he doesn't Love me.

I did kinda crack up when I left Oghren alone at the gates and I had him summon the Golems.  Hee hee.  Hee.  *snort*

Modifié par Recidiva, 01 janvier 2010 - 02:18 .

[Asante81]

Endurium wrote...

I'm having trouble playing a third time because I remember everything from the first two times. Photographic memories suck when it comes to gaming, sometimes.

Thank the Maker for inventing the "esc" button... *laughs*

[Recidiva]

And...HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone

[Sialater]

Happy New Year!

[Asante81]

Sialater wrote...

Happy New Year!

Pff... almost 4 hours too late
Still: Happy New Year

Modifié par Asante81, 01 janvier 2010 - 02:43 .

[Endurium]

<ESC> haha, I knew you were going to say that.



Happy New Year to everyone. Still have 5:15 to go here on USA west coast.

[Recidiva]

*at the Archdemon*

Alistair: And now that I'm king...
Me: You're NOT KING, you ******. I didn't MAKE YOU KING. I didn't. I swear. Pay attention. Anora is queen.
Alistair: And you saved my life a dozen times over, let me do this this once.
Me: Better. Okay. Dragon's that way.
Alistair: *gets the big music and the funky mouth thingy*
Me: Poor bastard.

*epilogue*

Me: Awesome. I'll take the Arldom, yada, yada. Have fun destroying your country. I'm out.
Anora: You seem...chipper.
Me: Fastest way out of here. Point.
Anora: *points*
Me: *fist pumpy thing* Golems and werewolves RULE! *picks up Thaiger on the way out* You totally rocked the Ballista.
Thaiger: *happy bark*

Epilogue:

"Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Gregoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear."

YESSSS!

"Lady Isolde bore her husband another child, this time a girl. The birth was difficult, however, and Isolde died in Eamon's arms. He named the child Rowan, after his own sister, and raised her with a loving hand. When she began to exhibit affinity for magic at a young age, he gave her over to the Circle for training. But continued to visit her and loved her no less than before."

And I'm a living Paragon.

Woo hoo! Island Party!

Modifié par Recidiva, 01 janvier 2010 - 03:22 .

[sagevallant]

Recidiva wrote...

sagevallant wrote...


There's a couple fights that always seem to get me hung up, but for the most part I just BLAM through everything in sight. My first playthrough was... Infiltrator, I think? The class with Combat / Tech class. Sniped the hell out of everything. I tend to keep forgetting the abilities I have, honestly. Let my sidekicks do the tech / biotic powers. So my second playthrough was, of course, Soldier and I just ate everything alive with the assault rifle.

Right now, the big conundrum I face is whether I should buy an Xbox 360 (as right now all I have for gaming is the Wii and my comp) or just assume / hope ME2 will look fine on my comp. And forego other fun games; ME has me wanting to try out some gratuitous FPS action.  And I need to decide soon, while I can still preorder.

Note: Accuracy is hell early on. Once you get some better weapons, you'll hit stuff a lot better. It's the most painful part of starting over. Hope the new one's main campaign is longer; I'm a story guy. I'm not going to spend countless hours unlocking every little thing, locating side quests in a very extended universe, and searching desolate planets wherein nothing happens. Got through the main missions in ME1 in about 10-11 hours last time through... 

Cool, thanks.  I'm going to have to keep going.

I remember playing it through the first time and I think I just got frustrated through the beginning.  I was playing a male and there was some sort of blue chick saying something about how sexual identity was...I dunno, I shut it off.  Just too much to have to deal with, to have to be a guy that can't shoot at anything straight, and then end up having some blue chick I don't want to sleep with, that I don't think is the slightest bit sexy, try to lecture me about my sexual identity or something and I just turned it off and walked away.

I'll try to be in a better mood this time.  I'll try to be patient with blue chick when I encounter her.

But for all of Bioware's "progressive" sexual identity, they still really treat the players like they're 14 year old male virgins.  *sigh*

I'VE HAD SEX, PEOPLE.  It isn't a mystery.  Geeez.

She's talking about herself. Blue chick's alien species is all chicks. Well, they evolved beyond man parts and female parts. Or whatever. So, y'know, go ahead and roll a female, won't change her attitude toward you one bit. Just means you get Kaiden for competing love interest instead.

Yeah, romance aspect is freakin shallow by DA:O standards. Just talk to them after every mission, go ahead and be a dick. Won't matter at all, I think. As long as you don't flat out shut them down, you're in. Too bad real life doesn't work like that.

I'm wondering if one of your teammates won't shoot you in the back if you do a bad job as leader in Mass Effect 2.

[tmp7704]

Recidiva wrote...

"Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Gregoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear."

"When she began to exhibit affinity for magic at a young age, he gave her over to the Circle for training."

Poor kid.

just sayin'

[tmp7704]

Recidiva wrote...

Well, this game was heavy on mods.  There's my "punch Alistair out at the end" mod which I won't be needing this time but will be needing next time.

Speaking of which, this was updated about week ago or so if you have the earlier version. Nothing drastic, just fixed some errors in how the characters are positioned so the punch lands better.

[Zachriel]

Recidiva wrote...

Zachriel wrote...

I'll probably pick up a copy of Mass Effect 2 when it comes out. I've built myself a new computer since the last time I played Mass Effect and didn't bother backing up any saved games or anything so I'll probably play through Mass Effect at least once before then. It's funny, I hated Mass Effect when I first got it. The more I played it, the more it grew on me, and now it's one of my favorites.

So far I...suck...at Mass Effect.  I can see why I put it down the first time.  It's a tech game and I can't really figure out how to make stuff work.  And it took me about four times to find all the charges set at the beginning because it...all looks alike.  "Oh look, a metal ramp.  Leading to another...metal ramp.  Oh hey!  Metal ramp.  And...*explode*  I keep trying to find an option to switch to other party members and can't find it for the life of me.  Couldn't manage several tutorial steps.  "What do you mean order him to do something, he just ran like hell thataway.  That is not strategic. WTF?"  *steps from cover and blams everything to death*

I hate timed stuff, I hate squad tactics (I much prefer setting everybody to do stuff and then...charge!)

Even in my rogue playthrough in DAO on higher difficulties, I just died so much due to impatience with having to micromanage battle.  I mostly just want the story, and the battle so far is clunky and irritating and I can't figure stuff out.

I don't like taking cover, I can't seem to hit anything when I "pop" out of cover and back down.  Gonna take some practice and it's just not my favorite thing in the world right now.  But I shall persevere on the assumption that the story and ME2 will make it worth my while.

I had quite a laundry list of complaints when I first played Mass Effect:

• Excessively long elevator rides.  Seriously, these are boring in real life.  Why would I want to experience them in game?  Happily, there was a rapid transit system in most areas to help avoid this problem.  The Citadel Tower and docking bay elevators were still annoying, though.
• The Mako controls seemed waaaay to sensitive.  I'd try to turn slightly, and the damn thing would pull a 180 on me.  Thankfully, with practice I was finally able to master it.
• Planetary exploration.  Most planets, we can't land on.  Instead we "scan" them and get to look at a picture with some captions.  When we can land, we're given a very small rectangular space, like a sandbox, to play in.  Try to go beyond the box's borders, and Joker will tell you that you can't go beyond the mission parameters.  Excuse me, who's in command here?  And of course, the combination of extremely difficult terrain and ultra sensitive controls on Mako provided me hours of hair pulling frustration.  Eventually, I just said "**** it.  I'm going straight to the objectives and ignoring anything else that might be out here."  I was much happier that way.
• Squad AI.  You team mates in Mass Effect are brain dead.  All of them.   Let them use their special abilities, and they will.  Quite often they'll use every single special ability in their repetoire within the first 10 second of battle - and all on a single target.  Leaving you with no support at all if you actually need it.  Thankfully, I never did.  I ended up using my companions as fodder.  Distractions for the enemy while I blew everything up.  This was especially true when playing on the "Insane" difficulty with a fresh, level 1 character.

Anyway.....

I tend to play these types of games the same way you do.  If possible, I'll set up the script/AI I want my party memebers to use, then either charge in or set up an ambush and let everybody else do their thing while I control my character.  I only take direct control of party members when their AI fails or I need to interrupt what they're doing to make them do something else, like getting Wynne to cast Group Heal after we've been hit by a fireball or something.

There is one thing I would have liked to have in Dragon Age that was present in the Baldur's Gate series:  The ability to toggle the entire party's AI on or off with the press of a button.  I believe it was the "a" key in BG2 taht did this.  It was great.  I could have them all use their AI for standard combat, then instantly disable all party AI and take direct control of everybody for a boss fight, or make them all stop doing something stupid when their AI was not so intelligent. 

I also miss spell triggers and the "defend this area" command.

[Recidiva]

sagevallant wrote...

She's talking about herself. Blue chick's alien species is all chicks. Well, they evolved beyond man parts and female parts. Or whatever. So, y'know, go ahead and roll a female, won't change her attitude toward you one bit. Just means you get Kaiden for competing love interest instead.

Yeah, romance aspect is freakin shallow by DA:O standards. Just talk to them after every mission, go ahead and be a dick. Won't matter at all, I think. As long as you don't flat out shut them down, you're in. Too bad real life doesn't work like that.

I'm wondering if one of your teammates won't shoot you in the back if you do a bad job as leader in Mass Effect 2.

Evolved beyond sex?  Shoot me now.  Poor blue chick.