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Recidiva wrote...

That's interesting, I'll have to think about that.  I base a lot of my judgments on what I feel and what actions other people take, and their long-term track record of these things.  I base my conclusions on patterns of behavior and how well that agrees with what I 'feel' around someone.

I'm very comfortable with my husband because he's like Cordelia from Buffy.  There's an episode in Buffy where Buffy keeps picking up what people are thinking versus what they're saying.  It makes her crazy.  But the only person that stood out as different was Cordelia, who always says what she thinks.  So for me, I don't have to experience the dissonance of what's going on inside someone's head versus what they're saying when I'm around him.  He'll be blunt and he'll be honest and that's the best place for me to be.  He's not hiding behind his words.  He is who he is and that's...absolutely unique and what I need.  Otherwise it's experiencing the dissonance between who a person is internally and why they present themselves to be.  It's better for me when they harmonize.

I can get a lot of a person just by being in their physical space, and that's what I trust the most.   Very often when someone's talking to me, I'm not listening to what they say so much as how and why they say it.  And that's based on what sort of emotional tone the person has.  So my "filter" is not through the senses, so much as it is that inexplicable thing that I know I can do and I know other people can do, but we don't really know why.

If Alistair had been a real person...he'd have had an unbelievably dissonant "feel" to him and I'd have to be on the other side of everything in order to get away from him.


Your secondary would be Extraverted Feeling, which makes total sense with what you're saying here. Your introverted intuition would naturally pick up on cues taken in by your extraverted feeling (extraverted feelers are very good at sensing things in people).

I need that, too. For different reasons, ultimately, I suspect, but on the surface for very similar ones. I can see people very well when they are not intentionally trying to hide. But I can't always sense what goes on under the surface if they're deliberately not saying what they feel, I just know there is SOMETHING I am not seeing/they are not saying, and it drives me insane if I care about them. One of the reasons I married my husband is because he is one of those people who has no problem with saying exactly what he feels or letting you know exactly where you stand. He is 100% honest, and I need that, because that's the kind of person I am, too. I want it all out there in the open. I'd rather you break my heart and tell me to f*** off, because at least then I know how to deal with the situation, and what I have to do in order to be able to cope, and know what my options are. Tell me where you want me to stand, and then I'll make up my own mind about where I want to be. But that nagging sense of things going on under the surface always means trouble as far as I'm concerned, and I can't hang. Honesty and communication are the first things on my list for a successful relationship.

Ahaha. Yes, my husband and I often reference that Cordelia scene and we adore her for that. No filter. No bulls***.  Those tend to be some of our most beloved characters, honestly. Sensors tend to be more this way, but I've met few sensors that I've felt I could really connect with. We just seem to think really differently on a basic level.

See, if Alistair had been a real person, I would've sensed the "something" I didn't know, and it would've bothered me, but I'd have hung in there anyway and been shocked when he turned. Later I'd have realized that part of me knew it all along though. My intuition is not always clear about WHAT it sees, but I feel it when something isn't right. Introverted thinking is fluid as well, and not always helpful. Extraverted intuition is like "ahhh! big scary shape!" and introverted thinking helps define the shape, but there's only so much my brain can do without all the information.

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Recidiva wrote...

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Hee! He sounds very lovable. The Jackie Chan addition really makes this for me! :D


He is.  I guess I just have very high standards where romance is concerned.  It's kinda nice to know that people think that what I live day to day is fictional.  That's kinda cool.

It's funny to go to a game to experience something extraordinary and get lowballed on the romance.


That's awesomely cool. I remember when me and my husband were like that. Then we hit some bumps--um, major sinkholes might be more apt--in the road and the shine wore off some on the romance. Still, he makes me laugh, is funny and charming and gets me more than anyone else I've ever met. I can tell him anything, and that's what really counts.

And I agree. I would never have expected that, going in. Everything else is so awesome, including the romance, up to a certain point.

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thenyxie wrote...

Your secondary would be Extraverted Feeling, which makes total sense with what you're saying here. Your introverted intuition would naturally pick up on cues taken in by your extraverted feeling (extraverted feelers are very good at sensing things in people).

I need that, too. For different reasons, ultimately, I suspect, but on the surface for very similar ones. I can see people very well when they are not intentionally trying to hide. But I can't always sense what goes on under the surface if they're deliberately not saying what they feel, I just know there is SOMETHING I am not seeing/they are not saying, and it drives me insane if I care about them. One of the reasons I married my husband is because he is one of those people who has no problem with saying exactly what he feels or letting you know exactly where you stand. He is 100% honest, and I need that, because that's the kind of person I am, too. I want it all out there in the open. I'd rather you break my heart and tell me to f*** off, because at least then I know how to deal with the situation, and what I have to do in order to be able to cope, and know what my options are. Tell me where you want me to stand, and then I'll make up my own mind about where I want to be. But that nagging sense of things going on under the surface always means trouble as far as I'm concerned, and I can't hang. Honesty and communication are the first things on my list for a successful relationship.

Ahaha. Yes, my husband and I often reference that Cordelia scene and we adore her for that. No filter. No bulls***.  Those tend to be some of our most beloved characters, honestly. Sensors tend to be more this way, but I've met few sensors that I've felt I could really connect with. We just seem to think really differently on a basic level.

See, if Alistair had been a real person, I would've sensed the "something" I didn't know, and it would've bothered me, but I'd have hung in there anyway and been shocked when he turned. Later I'd have realized that part of me knew it all along though. My intuition is not always clear about WHAT it sees, but I feel it when something isn't right. Introverted thinking is fluid as well, and not always helpful. Extraverted intuition is like "ahhh! big scary shape!" and introverted thinking helps define the shape, but there's only so much my brain can do without all the information.


Well, that's the thing.  Alistair to all intents and purposes looks like he really is in love.  Not infatuation.

In the end they play it off like he's infatuated.  And infatuation has a very thin feel to it, very obvious, very self centered.  The words would have been entirely different and the tone would have been completely different. 

It's a bait and switch as far as I'm concerned.  You can portray one or you can portray the other.  You can't portray one and then say it's the other.  I think it was a conscious choice to do that on purpose.  And then blame the player for being suckered because they put in "clues."  Well, the clues were not strong enough and if it were really love that was that strong, it would have dwarfed everything else.   And that's why I expected it to do so.  Yup.  Love's that good.  It doesn't get shoved in a box and shelved for duty's or expediency's sake.

Might as well make the whole game about me being afraid of an Archdemon's might and power, and given me a colicky hamster to fight.

Modifié par Recidiva, 12 janvier 2010 - 06:52 .


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thenyxie wrote...

That's awesomely cool. I remember when me and my husband were like that. Then we hit some bumps--um, major sinkholes might be more apt--in the road and the shine wore off some on the romance. Still, he makes me laugh, is funny and charming and gets me more than anyone else I've ever met. I can tell him anything, and that's what really counts.

And I agree. I would never have expected that, going in. Everything else is so awesome, including the romance, up to a certain point.


My main experience is being IN sinkholes and having him pull me out.  He says I do the same for him, I'm just grateful.

I suffer from migraines 2 out of 3 days of my life.  I'm really not that much of a prize, but he acts like I am, even if I'd rather just give up altogether, he's not going to let me. 

I'm sure that puts no pressure on him.  Riiiight.  I keep asking him if he wants out.  He tells me to stop asking.  I think he's crazy, but I guess that's what love does.  I'm grateful.  Without him I'd probably jump off the nearest dock and forget how to swim.

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Well, I actually saw it coming because I recognized Al's character type: The Duty-Bound Knight. That coupled with the fact that the lowest form of life in Ferelden is apparently a female elf mage, and I kinda figured my character was doomed. Didn't stop me from feeling sucker punched though.

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Sialater wrote...

Well, I actually saw it coming because I recognized Al's character type: The Duty-Bound Knight. That coupled with the fact that the lowest form of life in Ferelden is apparently a female elf mage, and I kinda figured my character was doomed. Didn't stop me from feeling sucker punched though.


I didn't get duty bound.  I got duty-escaping for the whole thing.  When does he actually uphold his duty?  How can he be bound to it if he spent the whole game saying "LALALALALA!  NO!  NO!  No duty.  HATE duty.  No!"

I figured I was doomed.  Just not that way.

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I didn't say he wanted it, it was just his archetype.

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Sialater wrote...

I didn't say he wanted it, it was just his archetype.


Doesn't every girl dream of growing up and falling in love with an inflexible archetype? 

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Inflexible Archetype Discussion:



Me: My family was just murdered...

IA: But that simply gives you more reason to do your duty.

Me: Duty sucks. There was a lot of blood.

IA: It is our duty to wipe up the blood of the dead and dying. It's what we do.

Me: We don't do anything else like...have fun..or have sex?

IA: No, that's illogical.

Me: I'm talking to Sten, aren't I? Sten if he were a vulcan.

IA: Close enough. Now...does my armor shine enough? I've polished it. Took forever.

Me: Yes. Very nice. Well done.

IA: Thank you. Oops. Smudge where you touched my arm. I'll be back in an hour.

Me: Excellent. I'll be...well, I'm going elsewhere.


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Recidiva wrote...

Inflexible Archetype Discussion:

Me: My family was just murdered...
IA: But that simply gives you more reason to do your duty.
Me: Duty sucks. There was a lot of blood.
IA: It is our duty to wipe up the blood of the dead and dying. It's what we do.
Me: We don't do anything else like...have fun..or have sex?
IA: No, that's illogical.
Me: I'm talking to Sten, aren't I? Sten if he were a vulcan.
IA: Close enough. Now...does my armor shine enough? I've polished it. Took forever.
Me: Yes. Very nice. Well done.
IA: Thank you. Oops. Smudge where you touched my arm. I'll be back in an hour.
Me: Excellent. I'll be...well, I'm going elsewhere.


I think your concept of the Duty-Bound Knight is a little off. Sounds more like "Pompous Knight". Basically, Duty Bound Knight would be the most self-sacrificing person in the game. The part that throws me off about this is his anger at becoming king. So he's really more Duty-Bound Grey Warden. Basically, you could see the break-up as him doing what's best for the Grey Wardens too; he's the king, so he can't really serve the order properly. Other than him, you're the last Warden in Fereldan. If you love him, you're probably going to neglect your duty--restoring the Wardens. That means traveling far away and conscripting / killing lots of people. So, he kicks you out the door. Sacrificing himself for you to kill the Archdemon would ALSO be fulfilling this role, since he is technically the older Grey Warden so it's his duty to kill it instead of you. But that theory is thrown on account of him not protecting the guys... idk. Enough rambling, I have to go to work.

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Well, a knight can be a GW, too. But yes, he's an archetype. Made the dumping no less of a shock, despite seeing that particular train heading straight for me. Thank goodness for reloads.

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Me: "So...what exactly ARE Grey Wardens? That's important to know before I agree. to join, don't you think?"



Duncan: "Grey Wardens are a militant order, dedicated to fighting darkspawn! We rode on great griffons..."



Me: "Ho-o-oly sh!t! Heck YES I'll be a Grey Warden."



Duncan: "Then it is settled. We will head South to the ruins of Ostagar..."



Me: "Eh, sorry, don't mean to be pushy, but...When do I get a griffon?"



Duncan: "You don't. Griffons have been extinct since the last blight."



Me: "Whoa, whoa, whoa! You can't do that. You can't do that to me! You can't say 'We rode griffons!' and then take the griffons away. That's cheating!"



Duncan: "I...I'm sorry, but griffons have been extinct for four centuries. Anyway, what does it matter?"



Me: "It matters because I want a griffon. Like, now."



Duncan: "I thought you wanted to be something...to be someone! Joining the Grey Wardens will allow you to do just that!"



Me: "Nope. Not happening."



Duncan: "Please, do not force me to use the right of conscription!"



Me: "...Oh, look, there's a generic darkspawn with an axe!"



Duncan: "No! My greatest weakness! I must flee on my faithful griffon, Feathers!"



Me: "Bastard."








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sagevallant wrote...

I think your concept of the Duty-Bound Knight is a little off. Sounds more like "Pompous Knight". Basically, Duty Bound Knight would be the most self-sacrificing person in the game. The part that throws me off about this is his anger at becoming king. So he's really more Duty-Bound Grey Warden. Basically, you could see the break-up as him doing what's best for the Grey Wardens too; he's the king, so he can't really serve the order properly. Other than him, you're the last Warden in Fereldan. If you love him, you're probably going to neglect your duty--restoring the Wardens. That means traveling far away and conscripting / killing lots of people. So, he kicks you out the door. Sacrificing himself for you to kill the Archdemon would ALSO be fulfilling this role, since he is technically the older Grey Warden so it's his duty to kill it instead of you. But that theory is thrown on account of him not protecting the guys... idk. Enough rambling, I have to go to work.


Well, yes, it's intentionally off for the comedy effect.

It isn't about the pompous, it was about not being able to get someone's attention other than their obsession - their duty.  There's no room in their life for something else.  This is inherent to duty.  Someone who spends their life like this gets why this is so.  Because they have no personal choices of their own and they know this.  It might cost them something, but there's just no room for anything else.

Duncan is duty bound and completely unable to be distracted.  He'd never tolerate a romance and would stomp on its little budding head the moment it was raised.

I have a different view about the duty of a Grey Warden.  When the blight's over, duty's done for that generation.  I'm sure they'll get good press, but there's what...400 years between blights?  What's the point to dedicating a life to rebuilding something that's just done its job and has decent PR AND other nations that are clearly much better at Grey Wardening than Ferelden.

I'd assume it was up to someone else.  I'd just mess it up by trying to create a reform and make them reveal all secrets and then they'd have to kill me.

I was the accidental Grey Warden that could.

Modifié par Recidiva, 12 janvier 2010 - 08:45 .


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Well I seemed to have missed the Supernatural main discussion, so I will just insert my comment here:



I have simply fallen in love with this show. The relationship between the two brothers is so endearing. I'm only on the second season, but it's quickly finding it's way up to the top of my favorites list. I love/hate Dean and his cocky little self, and I'm even starting to like Sam. The whole Gilmore Girls thing is finally starting to fade and I can see his character as a seperate entity instead of the retarded doofus teen that I couldn't stand. Although, Recidiva, it's your fault, I had to skip to season 5 briefly to watch that episode that made fun of CSI. I was slightly confused but the humor was worth it.

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Seallyn wrote...

Well I seemed to have missed the Supernatural main discussion, so I will just insert my comment here:

I have simply fallen in love with this show. The relationship between the two brothers is so endearing. I'm only on the second season, but it's quickly finding it's way up to the top of my favorites list. I love/hate Dean and his cocky little self, and I'm even starting to like Sam. The whole Gilmore Girls thing is finally starting to fade and I can see his character as a seperate entity instead of the retarded doofus teen that I couldn't stand. Although, Recidiva, it's your fault, I had to skip to season 5 briefly to watch that episode that made fun of CSI. I was slightly confused but the humor was worth it.



What's really dsiturbing is that there really is slashfic out there for those characters.  *shudder*

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Sialater wrote...
What's really dsiturbing is that there really is slashfic out there for those characters.  *shudder*


There are two absolute truths that hold to the Internet: Godwin's Law and rule 34.

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Yeah, but... they're brothers!

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I'd give examples of other pr0n that really raise the squick factor, but part of the Internet and old age is learning not to push certain limits. I so don't wanna go there.

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Ewww. That is weird. Can anyone say insest?

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Seallyn wrote...

Well I seemed to have missed the Supernatural main discussion, so I will just insert my comment here:

I have simply fallen in love with this show. The relationship between the two brothers is so endearing. I'm only on the second season, but it's quickly finding it's way up to the top of my favorites list. I love/hate Dean and his cocky little self, and I'm even starting to like Sam. The whole Gilmore Girls thing is finally starting to fade and I can see his character as a seperate entity instead of the retarded doofus teen that I couldn't stand. Although, Recidiva, it's your fault, I had to skip to season 5 briefly to watch that episode that made fun of CSI. I was slightly confused but the humor was worth it.


Yeah, the story behind it is...um...weird...if you're behind.  But I loved the bits making fun of Japanese Game shows and "Dr. Sexy M.D."

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Dr. Sexy was hilarious. I recognized the actor who played Dr. Sexy, Steve Bacic. He played Camulus on Stargate SG-1 and I just think he's, well...sexy. Heh. That whole episode just made me laugh till I cried. The Herpexia commercial was just awesome. Then of course there was the whole Knight Rider thing. classic. Well Supernatural you just proved you're my kind of show!

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Seallyn wrote...

Dr. Sexy was hilarious. I recognized the actor who played Dr. Sexy, Steve Bacic. He played Camulus on Stargate SG-1 and I just think he's, well...sexy. Heh. That whole episode just made me laugh till I cried. The Herpexia commercial was just awesome. Then of course there was the whole Knight Rider thing. classic. Well Supernatural you just proved you're my kind of show!


I do love them, the writing and the performances.  I think both of the guys playing Dean and Sam are deeply talented, and they look like they're having fun.

This is in either season 4 or 5, I'm not sure if it is on the DVD episodes...but this was tagged onto the end of one of the episodes.  You can hear the crew cracking up.

The setup is that Dean's character has some "ghost sickness" that is making him terrified and gives him a rash.  He's hanging out in the car because the hotel they're in put them on the fourth floor and he's too scared.  In the episode he's just hanging out in the car until Sam finds him and promises to change the room to get on the first floor.

Now that looks like fun.  You can even see him scratching at the "rash" with bravado.  I think it's hilarious.



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Alistair: "So. Have you ... licked... any flagpoles?"

Me: "Oh yeah. Baby! I've licked 'em all. I've spanked the monkey. Done the hula AND been home in time for dinner!"

Alistair: "... teach me, my master!"



* * *



Ostagar, Camp.



Duncan: ".. and over there is Teyrn Loghain. He's-"

Me: <shoots Loghain dead>

King Caelan (is that his name? I'm so terrible with names after I've been away): "What have you done?!"

Me: "Quiet there, missy! Let me fill you in what he was gonna do. First, he'd pull out of the fight. Leaving you and Duncan and pretty much everyone else - not me, though I'm awesome - to die here at Ostagar when the Darkspawn army - and it IS an army, like you wouldn't believe - shows up. THEN he'd take over your throne, become all paranoid and try to start a war with Orlais. Then there's the whole archdemon thing. But we need not concern ourselves with that just yet.

King + Duncan: "He'd kill me?" < They glance at each other >

Me: "And he'd deal with slavers at the Elven alienage."

King: "Slaves?"

Me: "I know, right. Of everything he could've dealt in he picked humans as a commodity. Well, he never was a thinker, I'll have you know."

Duncan: "He'd kill me?"

Me: "Well, not he per-se. But a rather big ogre. At least I think it's an ogre. A demon-infested ogre. Yes, that's more like it."

Duncan: "How- ?"

Me: "Do I know this stuff? You wouldn't believe me if I told you, but I can always reload and you can see for yourself?"

King: "Reload?"

Me: "Nevermind. Anyhooo! Darkspawn horde. Bad. Kill. Okay?"

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I don't see enough murdering of Uldred at Ostagar. I just don't.



Maybe if Wynne could be convinced to gank him then. That would be good. While visions of dead apprentices dance in her head.


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Wynne seriously needs to stop being a moody c*nt all the time. Bloody annoying that one.

It's funny how she says he was really moody when she was younger and that she grew out of it.



Yeah. Not bloody likely.