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[xsdob]

REALLY IMPORTANT EDIT:

Okay, so last night I made a link to Captain_Brians's poll form his post in the story and campaign section to the general threads. Since most of the people who have been on this section of the forums complaining about the endings always say that they can't acces the story and campagin section I decided to link it here. I didn't make the poll, Captain_Brian did, it's March 20, 12:32 in the afternoon North Western time for me here, so I didn't manage to see the overwhelming amount of people looking at this poll since yestarday, or see Captain_Brian on here telling people it was his poll, I'm sorry for tha, but I was tired, angry and didn't think it would matter.

Now, another thing I noticed looking at this is that I really went off the rails when talking about this poll and made a complete ass of myself by inserting my opinion at the time I made this. I was tired, angry, and very baffaled that people would choose a Gears of War 3 like ending just to not have to see the starchild, the relays blowing up was already said in an earlier question on the polls, as well as the choice to bypass the starchild, and assumed that those would also factor into the bolt on ending options, meaning that the happy ending really was the nobody died ending people were voting for.

I sincerly apalogize for what is written below, I was thinking too much with my immediate feelings and not enough with my logical or reasonable side of my brain. That being said, I'm not going to delete it, because that would just be immature to try and edit what I've said and claim I was being civil all this time.

So, take the poll and disregard what's written below as the "testimony of one tramatized dock worker".

Sorry, been trying to do 2 campaign in ME1 at the same time, and for some reason that line's stuck in my head now.

END EDIT

So, a poll has finally been made that answers the questions about what fans are really looking for in their ending DLC, an important topic if bioware is going to get ti right.

Its started by this guy's thread here http://social.biowar.../index/10133310 But since most of you here can't acess that part of the forum I'm giving you guys the link to the polls here.

http://social.biowar...=dd&search=&p=2

Remeber, you have to press the previous tag to go forward in the thread.

This is the part where I talk about the results, so don't read it if you want to find out for yourself.

So remeber how when we first came out for the endings, people called us spoiled and whinners, and claimed that we only complained because it wasn't exactly what the fans wanted, and how people who wanted to change the endings only wanted a super happy unicorn and cupcakes ending with sugar and sunshine for all.

What a bunch of elitist pricks, what a bunch of goons for the big bad corporation that is EA, what a bunch of out of touch jerks who don't know the first thing about us. I mean, no one here has ever wanted a perfect happy ending with sprikles on top, we just wanted an ending that didn't ruin the cannon or universe of mass effect. All we ever wanted was a chance to have more options, to to find out the answers to more questions, right?

Wrong...Those elitest, out of touch, disconnected-from-the-fanbase bashers hit the nail dead on the head.

EDIT: perhaps I need to elaborate.

52% of the polled, that's the number one spot, voted for the "Mega Happy Ending (Shepard survives, Normandy stays, Relays Stay, ONLY Reapers Dead, romantic epilogue with LI and crew, no starchild, no
stargazer)" 

29%, second place, voted for the "Bolt-On Conventional (Shep rejects "Star Child", reapers are eventually destroyed with HEAVY losses using the allied fleet, Shep survives to reunite with crew)"

Tied for number 4 with 4% of the vote is "Bolt-On Crew Reuniting (Existing endings, but crew stayed on earth and finds Shepard)"

The mega happy ending has a 23% lead, that is a sad reflection if people are willing to take a B.S. ending in which no loses for our side occur in the battle head on against the reapers forces, than deal with having the starchild in it but still be able to reject him.

For all of you who are like "I don't care if my shepard had to sacrifice himself or not, it's just the way he does it that's wrong." 67% strongly agree that "It is important that the DLC allows shepard to live and reunite with his squad and love interest"., the closest second of this group is 19% for just regular agree...so 84% of the people who want a new ending are mad that shepard dies, I really don't get that, espically since most of the people who have posted about the endings neve bring it up as a problem.

62% prefer the indoctrination theory that the endings were all in shepards head and that you have to play through the entire ending sequence a second time to get the correct ending, to being able to activate the crucible or have expanded diolouge with the starchild, or just telling hackett to fight the reapers conventionally and skp the starchild all together, or a combination of both.

This group, when combined, makes up about 34%, which is 28% less than the indoctrination theory. So, people would rather see their headcannon make it to the full screen and have an unnesisary, roundabout way of getting to the endings and a game mechanic that isn't neccisay,since shepard already tried to be indoctrinated by the illusive man and fought him off using the reputation meter, than see an actually fixed ending without the indoctrination theory. wow, just wow.

EDIT AGAIN: 

I apologies if anyone found the way I worded my post to be offensive or off putting, but the results I saw were really disheartending and made me question whether the hold the line movement was really even worth supporting anymore.

It's the fact that this poll shows that the vast majority really does want a "dunshine and rainnbows" ending, that one of the biggest insults to the movement to have another ending is correct, with proof of such, that has really stuck hard. I'm not one of the people who hate the endings, I actually feel a somewhat emotional satisfaction from having my shepard's story come to an end, and him being at peace with the choice. But even so, to have what I considered the fringe of both sides being shown to be the majority all along, and the reasonable crowd being the fringe, is a shocker.

Anyway, the person who made these polls has one more question to upload, and it seems to be one with more options and a better wording so that people don't just vote for it because of the word "no starchild" in it, so here's hoping that that''s why the polls look the way they do.

Modifié par xsdob, 20 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[Demyx_IX]

You don't even make any sense in your result topic nor your title. But whatever, thanks for informing me about the poll.

[Metalrocks]

thanks for that. gave my votes. lets hope it will change.

[aksoileau]

Thanks for poll, dont understand the rest.

[BiancoAngelo7]

xsdob wrote...

So, a poll has finally been made that answers the questions about what fans are really looking for in their ending DLC, an important topic if bioware is going to get ti right.

Its started by this guy's thread here http://social.biowar.../index/10133310 But since most of you here can't acess that part of the forum I'm giving you guys the link to the polls here.

http://social.biowar...=dd&search=&p=2

Remeber, you have to press the previous tag to go forward in the thread.

This is the part where I talk about the results, so don't read it if you want to find out for yourself.

So remeber how when we first came out for the endings, people called us spoiled and whinners, and claimed that we only complained because it wasn't exactly what the fans wanted, and how people who wanted to change the endings only wanted a super happy unicorn and cupcakes ending with sugar and sunshine for all.

What a bunch of elitist pricks, what a bunch of goons for the big bad corporation that is EA, what a bunch of out of touch jerks who don't know the first thing about us. I mean, no one here has ever wanted a perfect happy ending with sprikles on top, we just wanted an ending that didn't ruin the cannon or universe of mass effect. All we ever wanted was a chance to have more options, to to find out the answers to more questions, right?

Wrong...Those elitest, out of touch, disconnected-from-the-fanbase bashers hit the nail dead on the head.

What the hell are you talking about? Did you even look at your own polls or what you wrote? You have all the evidence you need not only in these unofficial polls that took only a few thousand (compared to the tens of thousands of other polls) people into account but you somehow come to the opposite conclusion of all the polls, including these?

Fail thread is fail.

[Miekkas]

SPOILERS

Actually, they still failed to hit the nail on the head, and it has been demonstrated over and over again as to why. Read this article that point for point, shows why the entire Starchild situation and ending in nonsense:
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

People at this point are so disgusted with the starchild's concept that some want him scrapped entirely.

Let's address the fact that the current endings do not follow the prevalent theme of the series: the perseverance of Shepard and his team to overcome impossible odds and live to fight another day. They have built their legendary careers around defying authority and doing what people said no one could do, and they came out alive after doing it as icing on the cake. The ending of the game completely disregards this theme, which is why so many players are upset. They have come to expect a Shepard who is larger than life, a being who we can all look to as a *living* example of a hero. Shepard went from being a living hero throughout the entire series who lives depending on how much effort you put into the game even into the majority the third game until the last ten minutes where Bioware decided to change Shepard into a mindless drone who does as he is told instead of a being of defying authority. He is not even a tragic hero in the ending, which some people could have accepted. He is a pawn who simply gives in because some god starchild *says* he is right.

Why do "bashers" continue to think that by players asking for a "happy ending", they are asking for something out of a Disney movie? Consider the following:

1. Billions are dead by the end of the game regardless of Shepard's actions because the Reapers.
2. Earth, Palaven, and Thessia have all been essentially burned to the ground.
3. You have lost several current or former team members by the end of the game, regardless of your actions.
4. There are numerous hints that Shepard is suffering severe emotional and mental stress to the point of PTSD such the dream sequences, and Joker mentioning that EDI has detected Shepard's stress levels are higher than when he/she fought during the Skylian Blitz. Characters like Garrus, Joker, Ashley, Kaiden, and other characters all mention they don't know what has happened to their families. Liara's entire life spent studying the Protheans is completely uprooted by the appearance of Javik and discovery of Thessia. She feels like her entire life in the study has been wasted.

Regardless if the Reapers are destroyed, the relays are left intact, and Shepard lives to reunite with his surviving team, the end is at BEST bittersweet. Shepard and the entire Galaxy has suffered and sacrificed a lot to defeat the Reapers, and now they have to live each day while rebuilding what little they have left with the knowledge of EVERYTHING they have lost. There is no victory is war. There is only those who are left to pick up the pieces and bury the dead. Bashers cheapen the impact of the points I have made like they do not matter, but they do very much so. Talk to soldiers how they feel about coming home alive with friends who have died overseas and get back to me about the "whiny happy ending" nonsense because it is darn insulting to me. Happy endings are not always rainbows and bunnies. Sometimes they are just about living to see another day to honor those who we have lost and living with what has been lost for the rest of our lives. There is strength and meaning to be found in a man or woman who lives to see another day after losing so much and walks away with the determination to become a better person, to appreciate everything they still have whether that be friends or lovers or simply being alive. We should not cheapen the sacrifices of the lost by saying a soldier must die in having any deep meaning.

SPOILERS

[Lecram Nella]

I see. people apparently want a 'magical happy rainbowland' ending <.<

[Sirartistic]

I was and still am against the endings in some ways but I recently thought about the ending further and I longer hate it. Here is why. There is CLEAR evidence that Shepard is dreaming or perhaps being tested/indoctrinated.

This question will answer everything. As yourself, why would Shepard need to destroy the conduits to make the Crucible work? Since when does destroying something make something work?!?!?

Or how about space jumping into a beam and falling to your death??? How does that make the Crucible work??? Ask yourself these questions and you will see that it may not be poor writing after all...

[The Executioner]

Sirartistic wrote...

I was and still am against the endings in some ways but I recently thought about the ending further and I longer hate it. Here is why. There is CLEAR evidence that Shepard is dreaming or perhaps being tested/indoctrinated.

This question will answer everything. As yourself, why would Shepard need to destroy the conduits to make the Crucible work? Since when does destroying something make something work?!?!?

Or how about space jumping into a beam and falling to your death??? How does that make the Crucible work??? Ask yourself these questions and you will see that it may not be poor writing after all...

Someone's in some serious denial.

[AJRimmsey]

*******magic roundabout tune********

playing over a backdrop of tourettes sufferers

[Father_Jerusalem]

Haha. All this talk about "not wanting a unicorns and rainbows" ending is put to an absolute lie by these poll results.

Seriously, it's freaking blatant that "Happy ending or BUST".

Please, BioWare, PLEASE do not listen to this trite, cliched, crap. The last thing I want is an ending where Shepard rides off on a unicorn that farts rainbows while Ashley, Liara, and Tali all declare their undying love for him. That would just be unimgainably boring.

[Navywife64]

Thank you

[xsdob]

52% favor, and I quote, "Mega Happy Ending (Shepard survives, Normandy stays, Relays Stay, ONLY Reapers Dead, romantic epilogue with LI and crew, no starchild, no stargazer)"

I think that counts as a "ending of only bunnys and sunshine", for comparison, the "Bolt-On Conventional (Shep rejects "Star Child", reapers are eventually destroyed with HEAVY losses using the allied fleet, Shep survives to reunite with crew)" has 29% in second place, with a 23% gap between them.

I believe that the second place one is more realistic, and what I thought from observation that everyone on here wanted as opposed to an "everything worked out fine and dandy" ending. I was wrong, and have been proven wrong through empirical evidence from this very community.

Modifié par xsdob, 20 mars 2012 - 04:46 .

[xsdob]

Miekkas wrote...

SPOILERS

Actually, they still failed to hit the nail on the head, and it has been demonstrated over and over again as to why. Read this article that point for point, shows why the entire Starchild situation and ending in nonsense:
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

People at this point are so disgusted with the starchild's concept that some want him scrapped entirely.

Let's address the fact that the current endings do not follow the prevalent theme of the series: the perseverance of Shepard and his team to overcome impossible odds and live to fight another day. They have built their legendary careers around defying authority and doing what people said no one could do, and they came out alive after doing it as icing on the cake. The ending of the game completely disregards this theme, which is why so many players are upset. They have come to expect a Shepard who is larger than life, a being who we can all look to as a *living* example of a hero. Shepard went from being a living hero throughout the entire series who lives depending on how much effort you put into the game even into the majority the third game until the last ten minutes where Bioware decided to change Shepard into a mindless drone who does as he is told instead of a being of defying authority. He is not even a tragic hero in the ending, which some people could have accepted. He is a pawn who simply gives in because some god starchild *says* he is right.

Why do "bashers" continue to think that by players asking for a "happy ending", they are asking for something out of a Disney movie? Consider the following:

1. Billions are dead by the end of the game regardless of Shepard's actions because the Reapers.
2. Earth, Palaven, and Thessia have all been essentially burned to the ground.
3. You have lost several current or former team members by the end of the game, regardless of your actions.
4. There are numerous hints that Shepard is suffering severe emotional and mental stress to the point of PTSD such the dream sequences, and Joker mentioning that EDI has detected Shepard's stress levels are higher than when he/she fought during the Skylian Blitz. Characters like Garrus, Joker, Ashley, Kaiden, and other characters all mention they don't know what has happened to their families. Liara's entire life spent studying the Protheans is completely uprooted by the appearance of Javik and discovery of Thessia. She feels like her entire life in the study has been wasted.

Regardless if the Reapers are destroyed, the relays are left intact, and Shepard lives to reunite with his surviving team, the end is at BEST bittersweet. Shepard and the entire Galaxy has suffered and sacrificed a lot to defeat the Reapers, and now they have to live each day while rebuilding what little they have left with the knowledge of EVERYTHING they have lost. There is no victory is war. There is only those who are left to pick up the pieces and bury the dead. Bashers cheapen the impact of the points I have made like they do not matter, but they do very much so. Talk to soldiers how they feel about coming home alive with friends who have died overseas and get back to me about the "whiny happy ending" nonsense because it is darn insulting to me. Happy endings are not always rainbows and bunnies. Sometimes they are just about living to see another day to honor those who we have lost and living with what has been lost for the rest of our lives. There is strength and meaning to be found in a man or woman who lives to see another day after losing so much and walks away with the determination to become a better person, to appreciate everything they still have whether that be friends or lovers or simply being alive. We should not cheapen the sacrifices of the lost by saying a soldier must die in having any deep meaning.

SPOILERS

see my other post in this thread to see why I'm angry right now.

[Han Shot First]

There should be some changes to the ending, but Shepard should remain on the chopping block.

The survival of galactic civilization is what is really important, not the survival of the hero. That, and a heroic sacrifice ending when done right, is far more compelling than one in which everyone lives.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 20 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[AJRimmsey]

a disney ending would have been the fuel to start a blaze that EVERYONE would have rebelled against.

not just the few here.

a species at least 150k + years more advanced losing so completely to a single human who walks like he has an arse nugget in his trousers ?

unthinkable

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

How are any of those results "surprising" if anything those results are expected. With the way people have been complaining on the BSN these are the results a person would expect.

When I read you title I thought you had found a legit poll that said people liked the ending, THAT would be surprising.

Also I really have no clue what you are talking about.

[F00lishG]

Seems like people like happy endings. Alot. That's kind of irritating. People weren't upset for the right reasons. They were upset for the wrong reasons. 

Modifié par F00lishG, 20 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Rockworm503]

 Sadly 52% say they want super happy mega rainbow ending.
This is not why I've been complaining and now I see I am in fact the minority and most people are in fact whining because the ending didn't go exactly the way they wanted.

People are asking for fan service not a good conclusion.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 20 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[archanesoldier]

The mega happy choice option in the poll is the only option that is a happy ending. The other choices are just plot hole filler or they keep the original ending i.e. starchild. So the choice is worded wrong, it should just say happy ending where shepard survives and reunites with surviving crew and there is no starchild. You need to read the description of the choices not just the the title, then compare them.

Modifié par archanesoldier, 20 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

xsdob wrote...

52% favor, and I quote, "Mega Happy Ending (Shepard survives, Normandy stays, Relays Stay, ONLY Reapers Dead, romantic epilogue with LI and crew, no starchild, no stargazer)"

I think that counts as a "ending of only bunnys and sunshine", for comparison, the "Bolt-On Conventional (Shep rejects "Star Child", reapers are eventually destroyed with HEAVY losses using the allied fleet, Shep survives to reunite with crew)" has 29% in second place, with a 23% gap between them.

I believe that the second place one is more realistic, and what I thought from observation that everyone on here wanted as opposed to an "everything worked out fine and dandy" ending. I was wrong, and have been proven wrong through empirical evidence from this very community.

Quite frankly, the second place ending is even more ridiculous than the first place ending. No matter how many times it is CLEARLY SPELLED OUT by MULTIPLE PEOPLE in the game itself that trying to attack the Reapers conventionally would be SUICIDE, people still say "no way, we can totally do it cuz we're awesome!"

The Reapers are 37 million years old. They've done this Reapening a time or two before. Every single time. Every. Single. Time. They win. Against enemies FAR more advanced than this current cycle.

But no, this time, it's totally different. 

The Crucible and the Catalyst is OUR. ONLY. CHANCE. TO. STOP. THE. REAPERS. Not the "best" chance. The ONLY chance. But you want an ending where you fight the Reapers without the Crucible?

Okay. Here it is.

You lose. The galaxy dies. The Reapers win.

Full. Freaking. Stop. 

(personally, I'm fine with that being an option. If I'm stubborn enough to ignore the 10000 times it's said openly that we can't do it conventionally, then okay, give me the Debbie Downer ending. But that would just lead to more and more and more complaints, clearly.)

[Weskerr]

In the second and third polls, the "all of the above" options don't make sense.

Modifié par Weskerr, 20 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[SidNitzerglobin]

Han Shot First wrote...

There should be some changes to the ending, but Shepard should remain on the chopping block.

The survival of galactic civilization is what is really important, not the survival of the hero. That, and a heroic sacrifice ending when done right, is far more compelling than one in which everyone lives.

This.

Although I'm not averse to providing an option where Shepard survives, I have no problem w/ him sacrificing him/herself in every ending.  I have no problem w/ keeping starkid.  While keeping the mass relays intact would seem to leave more options open for the franchise, I have no problem w/ them being destroyed in every ending (IF the current plot holes are explained w/ something other than space magic/hand waving).

What I want is an internally consistent, coherent, and non-rushed ending that gives us more opportunity to roleplay our Shepard in whatever events they have planned for the conclusion of his/her saga.

I really didn't feel these polls were structured in such a way to allow me to vote for what I actually want in an ending (aside from indifferent/all of the above/no vote), would be kind of hard to structure them in a way that would do so though.

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 20 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[FatalX7.0]

Seems like the highest voted ones will allow the ending to actually make some semblance of sense.

Mass Relays blowing up means every system with a relay is gone too.

And what the hell is up with Vent Boy the God Child? Why do I bend over to him? Why can't I use my decisions to prove his stupid logic wrong?

I'd love to actually see all of my War Assets fight. The Destiny Ascension obliterating a Reaper with it's main gun before being swarmed over by Destroyers, the Geth armada pulling along side to save her. The Salarian STG calling in a biotic artillery strike on cluster of Reaper troops. Wrex and Garrus, on the front sharing a stern moment in cover, before nodding to each other, brothers in arms, before charging over the barricade. Back to back, they face down hordes of husks, Wrex shouting defiantly, "You think you can take our future!? You think YOU CAN TAKE MY CHILDREN?!"
We want to see the Quarian flotilla scrambling, all guns blazing, trying desperately to form a battleline, as one of the admirals quietly turns to their crew, signalling his ship all ahead full. "For the homeworld. Keela..." their words cut off as the live-ship rams a Reaper, exploding spectacularly and damaging two others. We want to see the Normandy frantically weaving through the wreckage, Joker and EDI yelling warnings to one another as the fleets explode around them. We want Tali leading a charge of Geth Primes against a Cannibal gun line. Rachni drones swarming over a Reaper Destroyer by the thousands, pulling it apart from the inside. We want to see Grunt wrestle a brute to the ground and unload his shotgun into his head.

Vent Boy the God Child is just absolutely ridiculous. He can take his Space Magic and shove it up his godly ass.

Reuniting with his crew may be sappy or cliche, but it's certainly a much better outcome than your crew starving death in the middle of nowhere, never going back to their homeworlds, that you spent all that time saving, if that was actually real. How the hell they poofed from my side and onto the Normandy..well...

Mass Effect 2 was great. The end could either be really bad, everyone dies but you defeat the collectors, or with a bit more work, everyone is saved and you defeat the collectors.

Didn't see much of anyone complaining about that.

Personally, I don't care if my Shepard dies, most people don't, that poll is still missing over 50,000 people from the last one.

The way that poll is set up will make it seem like all we want is rainbows and unicorns. Seriously, did you even look at it?

Either we can choose the Deus Ex/Battlestar Galactica rip-off Gainax ending that most people hate, or we can choose the more upbeat options that isn't the ending we hate. Again, avoiding the contradicting problems that the ending is full of.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 20 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[Naqey]

so you´re upset that some people want a happy ending?
YEAH I DONT GET THAT EITHER, WHATS WRONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE?!?
A HAPPY ENDING?! HOW DARE YOU!