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[Straw_foot]

vometia wrote...

I like happy endings.  Sorry if that offends you so much, but that's too bad.

That's the kinda response I like.

[DiebytheSword]

Getorex wrote...

Cheep Cheep Cheep wrote...

The fact of the matter is, the ending we received didn't make sense and was full of plot holes. Even if a happy ending was impossible, the plot holes are inexcusable.

I had Garrus with me when I was heading to the beam. I was shocked when seemingly the entire team was wiped out and Shep was the only one left. Garrus was my Shep's LI so that even added to the feeling of "nooo Garrus is dead."

And then the cut scene. Garrus exited the Normandy on the Jurassic Park world.

WTF?

My kneejerk reaction was "yay, Garrus lived," but after I digested it, it made no sense. Joker and the others somehow ending up over there made no sense either, amongst a multitude of other things that were wrong with the ending that have been discussed ad nauseum.

The worst thing, however, is undoubtedly the mass relays getting blown up. So even if the Reaper threat is defeated, Shephard has doomed the entire galaxy. How many planets and populations get utterly destroyed from the mass relay explosions? And even if (big if) that didn't happen, how many species are doomed because they're trapped in the Sol system? You can help the Quarians get Rannoch back, but that doesn't matter, because now they're stranded by Earth and can never get home. Then with some other endings, even if you saved the Geth, you doom them all over again, so on and so forth. The biggest problem with the endings is YOUR CHOICES DON'T MATTER... A saccharine ending is not required to address this. And the plot holes are just incredibly lazy writing, and I think we've all come to expect more from Bioware.

Lastly, they could have easily had an opportunity to make war assets and readiness matter more. Why couldn't you have the option to tell the AI kid no, let my fleet duke it out with the Reapers instead? And let the fate of the galaxy in that situation be determined by everything you put together. The cut scene could have been amazing. But as was, the "choose what color explosion you want" was crap.

How about this...the "planet: isn't really a planet at all.  It is Titan, a terraformed Titan, moon of Saturn, in the year 2150-ish.  They didn't run THAT far, just a few light minutes from Earth.  That big "moon" in the sky is not a moon, it is Saturn (though...where the hell's the rings?).  Shepard takes a ragged breath at the red ending, gets up, walks off the flesh wound, hops a ride with the nearest Turian battleship and gets dropped off at TItan for a reunion with his LI.  

There.  Fixed.  Except for the issue of everyone turning tail and running away on me in the Normandy.  Yeah, except for that part.

Except that they were in a relay conduit, which means they were minimally out past Pluto to start with, and probably en route to Arcturus.

[mr_luga]

A super happy ending would be retared -.- The biggest threat in the galaxy comes around and we just herp derp kill them all easily? No thanks.

[user1234567890]

I read the word "DLC" and skipped the whole thing.

[OdanUrr]

DEMIKLY wrote...

I like your cynical vibe - I disagree with you entirely, but give you props for the purple car shtick.

Thanks. I try.

[Father_Jerusalem]

The problem with the "uber happy ending" is that if there was a poll question asking if people would like it if the Crucible somehow did a timey wimey wiggly wobbly thing and returned the galaxy to the state it was in BEFORE the Reapers invaded, as your "happy ending", THAT would be winning too.

Because that's what people want. Complete happiness. No consequences. And that's just... ugh. Not to mention having a happy ending while billions of people are dead, while the galaxy is ravaged, just strikes me as... stupid. "Oh yeah, billions are dead, BUT YOU'RE ALIVE TALI, LETS GO HAVE TEH NOOKIES!" Really? I want a realistic ending.

A broken, bloody, battered Shepard rises up from the rubble in London, taking in the devastation, seeing the Citadel burning in the atmosphere as the Normandy hovers in the air above, desperately searching for survivors (because, let's face it, we can ALL agree the Normandy scene was stupid), Shepard waves weakly to get Joker's attention before climbing onboard, seeing the cut and bruised faces of the crew and the bodies of some of the crew who didn't make it, including Ken and Gabby, as you can see his heart breaking at all the dead he turns to the screen and says "What next?" Fade to black.

Boom. That'd I'd be fine with. But snuggly wuggly time? No thanks.

[Coreniro]

Saodade wrote...

Coreniro wrote...

.....
I accept any kind of reaction, even a lack of one. What i don't accept, what makes me hate humanity is people who wants you to change a creative work because it's not like they imagined! It's my ****, you don't have any rights to tell me to change something I made, just because you gave me money for that piece of crap.
and if you want money back, no problem! Just leave me out of your misery. Someone could call it arrogance. It is!
Oh, stop considering polls the ultimate truth. They can't indicate ****! 

I'm ok with you on the point that You create something and allow someone to see it. Like it or not  you just want  it to create a reaction to it. OK. And you are ok   that people might like it or  not like it at all.Imagine yuo created something big   that need ot be shipped to the person who  loved it enough to buy it. But you not ship them the  stuff they have choosen , you send them something different. Maybe  an  even as great art piece but it wasn't what they  have  choosen.  You  can understand they won't  jump in joy at reception. Specialy if  when they complain they  see  door closed  at their nose with a  "deal with it".
And if my sentences  seem  some dry or poorly  done  I'm sorry I 'm not that great in  english. But I work on it.
Also I'm sad  that you hate  humanity as you say...

It's not like they shipped the latest Tiger Woods boring game instead of Mass Effect 3. Well, maybe they messed up some shipment, but I can assure you that I received ME3, the real one. It runs, and lucky me, it has no bugs, not even the MP portion is bugged. But, most of all, it feels like a Mass Effect game. Different but similar.
I won't tell you how I feel about the endings, because it doesn't matter, and because sometimes I know, other times I don't, but I can't say I want money back because it's not what I want.
Even if it wasn't the game I expected... well, actually I don't know. I never had expectations from a game. It's just a game, afterall. But, like I said, if you don't like, there's nothing wrong if you ask a refund. I'm sure EA and Bioware can deal with 10thousands refunded copies. I won't change my mind on the idea of asking for a re-edit of a portion of the story. To me, it affects the value and the individuality of an idea.

[Saint Op]

The Razman wrote...

I find it interesting that despite people's assertions that the unhappy ending is not the main source of displeasure for the ending ... 84% want a happy ending with Sheperd living and settling down with their LI.

Hm.

It's kinda like when a couple breaks up and one of them still loves the other. So they argue about every little detail of the relasionship and bash them and all there new relasionships but really they just want them back for a storybook ending. All along the way insisting thats not the reason...

[GamerrangerX]

nice poll

[Daedalus1773]

The poll questions made no sense to me. I didn't see any "ending" options I wanted, so I had to choose "Mega Happy Ending." In reality, all I want is for it to make sense. I want & EXPECT my Shepard to die, but hopefully not at the cost of annihilating all of galactic civilization.

First poll question sucked in its phrasing.

Modifié par Daedalus1773, 20 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[Meeric]

I don't want a mega happy ending.

If the ending had been that regardless of everything you did the reapers still won. I would of been happy. If Shepard had died in battle or spent the remainder of his years desperately hiding humanities version of the beacons to warn the next cycle I would of been happy.

I just wanted a 'good' ending. I did not get a good ending, I got garbage.

[Fireblader70]

There were not too many options on this poll... just sayin'. It's kind of leading the people into strict opinions that they might not believe, necessarily.

[Eddy01741]

There needs to be a poll question "How important is it that Shepard lives and reunites with his LI/squad?"

[The Razman]

Eddy01741 wrote...

There needs to be a poll question "How important is it that Shepard lives and reunites with his LI/squad?"

That is part of this poll. 66% strongly agree, 18% agree. So 84% want a happy ending.

Interesting ...

[Coreniro]

Modifié par Coreniro, 20 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[Getorex]

I am coming to think that the current endings can be fixed up a bit and still allow for what everyone wants. The "red" ending has Shepard alive and taking a breath in the debris on the Citadel. That's "happy" to me. He's alive, just really beat to hell. Problem: the Normandy thing. All the crew running away like that, including those who were with me in the final fighting. And my LI (Ash). They ALL ran away on me. Somehow.

You can make an ambiguous-ish ending without having the Normandy and crew turn tail and run FAR FAR away. A living Shepard (as depicted) and some suggestion that he (she) can conceivably get back with his LI...that would do me.

The Synthesis ending is a "happy" ending too except that Shep is rasterized to bits so, while not dead, there will be no reunion with friends and LI BUT everyone lives...just "enhanced". Again, the big problem for me in this is the running away Normandy landing on Jurassic Park World. At least you see everyone alive, just with glowy eyes indicating enhancement (in which case shouldn't Joker no longer be all limpy-gimpy? He's enhanced/improved. His disease should be no more).

I am not addressing the issue of blown relays NO MATTER WHAT and what that entails given the ENTIRE Quarian fleet is in the Earth system, as is the better part of the Turian, Krogan, Asari, and Salarian(?) fleets. LOTS of screwed people there. This has been beaten to death in threads but the loss of the relays NO MATTER WHAT is a HUGE disaster for the galaxy and bazillions of inhabitants. Isolated, cutoff, restricted little island systems in all cases. You'd think that maybe the worst ending (getting 'harvested' and letting the cycle continue) would leave the relays intact. No need to send a signal at all, just let the current Reaping go to completion. The second option, synthesis, also shouldn't require destruction of the relays. You are merely slightly altering the Reaping to make it a peaceful blending rather than a violent harvest.

[Coreniro]

[quote]Coreniro wrote...

[quote]Timstuff wrote...

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I know a lot of people want the believe that Mass Effect is Casey Hudson's pet project that he made for himself and was kind enough to share with the rest of the world, but the fact of the matter is that this game was made for us, the customers, by a team of over a hundred artists and programmers. Big projects like this aren't the same thing as a $10 indie project like Braid-- they have to cater to the tastes of the people buying the game first and foremost, because otherwise it's not going to turn a profit. When you only have a team of 5 people making a game and all your money is coming from Kickstarter, you can do whatever you want with it, but when it's a 40 million dollar production and the customers are saying that the ending is unacceptably bad, it's in their best interest to fix it. If people are dissatasfied with a game that only cost $10,000 to make, it's easy enough to bounce back-- when your in the league of 8-figure budgets though, there's a lot more riding on the game's reception amongst the public, especially when the time comes to get funding for their next project.[/quote]

Maybe it's just me but you make it look like there's no difference between creating a game and making a piece of bread. If all you do is following the known paths just to appease your fans, you don't need creativity. All you need is the cable and a zapper. And the budget can't be an excuse.
Think about the way Bioware listen to the fans. When fans asked for deeper RPG elements, bioware made it, but their own way, they didn't just say "ME2 Rpg part was bad, let's get back to 2007".
Same thing with alien Love interests: People expected Bioware to give every alien love the same depth, but they added the new LIs in a way that would suit their own ideas.
Asking to clarify what happens in the end is one thing, and it's fair. I think they'll clarify most of the things and put new questions in our heads at the same time, just to ****** everyone off!
But asking to make something new is delusional.
Someone said that art has always been on commission. Yeah, look at how ****ed in the head were the artists who were ordered to change their works by their commissioners!

Another thing: I remember a show with Bill Hicks, where he was asked to do another piece, and he accepted. Then someone else asked him to make a specific piece, and Bill Hicks answered something like "I'm not a ****ing jukebox, I know what I want to do, don't care if you want THAT piece". 
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[leafyFresh]

To me, the issue is that there is seriously no variation in the ending other than color and other *very* small things. They said the plotlines would diverge towards the end because this is the last game and they don't need to make a 4th Mass Effect game.

And if Shephard does everything right for all 3 games, why the heck not have a good ending? I don't want 100% "happy bunny sunshine rainbowland disney laughter giggles" endings with no possible chance of failure, but to have a wider range of possible endings would be a good thing.

I just want many possible endings like they said there would be... Not (basically) one ending with no diverging ending plotlines.

If the only possible result after beating me3 is to submit to the starchild and doom everyone, replaying the game becomes much less attractive.

[Roosterfeet]

Shepard needs to die winning a complete and spectacular victory. Put a single dialogue option on the console next to Illusive Man's corpse that says "I win." Then blow up the Citadel, Mass Relays, and all the Reapers. THE END

[jamesp81]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Because that's what people want. Complete happiness. No consequences.

No, that's not what they want.  If this is what you think, then you misunderstand most of the people commenting on this.

[Getorex]

jamesp81 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Because that's what people want. Complete happiness. No consequences.

No, that's not what they want.  If this is what you think, then you misunderstand most of the people commenting on this.

Right.  I get a "happy" ending with just a few tweaks of the current ending.  The Red ending gives me a happy ending if the Normandy doesn't run away to Jurassic Park.  Why?  Shepard is still alive.  He takes a breath.  That's all I need to conclude in MY story that he survived.  The Red ending does NOT call for, in any way, the Normandy and crew to run away.  Why would they?  For sure no one on board knows what my (Shepard's) choices are in the first place, and in the second, they have no reason to fear them.  As far as THEY are concerned, I'm going to beat the Reapers.  Full stop.  They CANNOT believe or assume that this means Mass Relay destruction.  They believe I will do the right thing and that does NOT call for them to run away.  It certainly doesn't make it OK that my LI and squadmates who were fighting next to me minutes previously are suddenly thousands of lightyears away.  When did they start running away?  The instant I set out on the fnal battle?  But my squadmates....were right there!

The green ending doesn't call for running away either.  NO ONE can possibly assume or imagine that this is even an option.  It is certainly painless (for them) as all that happens is they get...enhanced...not destroyed.  They are ALL clearly quite alive and happy in the Normandy crash scene (EDI even smiles).  The only person who eats sh*t in that ending is Shepard who gets uploaded into the Crucible thingy and is now the master control.  

Blue ending is the ONLY ending that would reasonably call for running away.  

Beyond that, the blue and green endings both do NOT require the destruction of the Relays.  The blue ending CERTAINLY doesn't.  Why?  Because that ending is essentially "continue business as usual" with everyone getting harvested.  Past harvests didn't destroy the Relays, why should this one just because Shepard knows about it?  The green ending also shouldn't cause Relay destruction because it is just a slight reprogramming of the Reapers, not a wholesale change or destruction.  

So, there should be no running away of the Normandy wth either the Red or Green ending.  The relays should not be destroyed with the Green or Blue ending. 

Modifié par Getorex, 20 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[ImperatorMortis]

I like the poll results, even though I was OK with the synergy ending. If the DLC ending is added I'll be pretty happy. Especially if all the reapers are destroyed, the Normandy stays on earth, and the Mass Relays stay intact.

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 20 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

jamesp81 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Because that's what people want. Complete happiness. No consequences.

No, that's not what they want.  If this is what you think, then you misunderstand most of the people commenting on this.

I wish I was. I do. But if you look through here there's tons of people saying "I want an uber happy ending!" It's not misunderstanding, it's really not.  

People honestly do want Hello Kitty Effect, and that makes me sad.

[alex13abc]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Haha. All this talk about "not wanting a unicorns and rainbows" ending is put to an absolute lie by these poll results.

Seriously, it's freaking blatant that "Happy ending or BUST".

Please, BioWare, PLEASE do not listen to this trite, cliched, crap. The last thing I want is an ending where Shepard rides off on a unicorn that farts rainbows while Ashley, Liara, and Tali all declare their undying love for him. That would just be unimgainably boring.

2 things:

1) you fail miserably at being funny.
2) nobody asked for that kind of ending.