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[CHALET]

A "Happyish Ending" should be one POSSIBLE outcome, in the same sense Shepard failing spectacularly should be. Nobody expected to come out of the war unscathed.

[Habs25]

xsdob wrote...

So, a poll has finally been made that answers the questions about what fans are really looking for in their ending DLC, an important topic if bioware is going to get ti right.

Its started by this guy's thread here http://social.biowar.../index/10133310 But since most of you here can't acess that part of the forum I'm giving you guys the link to the polls here.

http://social.biowar...=dd&search=&p=2

Remeber, you have to press the previous tag to go forward in the thread.

This is the part where I talk about the results, so don't read it if you want to find out for yourself.

So remeber how when we first came out for the endings, people called us spoiled and whinners, and claimed that we only complained because it wasn't exactly what the fans wanted, and how people who wanted to change the endings only wanted a super happy unicorn and cupcakes ending with sugar and sunshine for all.

What a bunch of elitist pricks, what a bunch of goons for the big bad corporation that is EA, what a bunch of out of touch jerks who don't know the first thing about us. I mean, no one here has ever wanted a perfect happy ending with sprikles on top, we just wanted an ending that didn't ruin the cannon or universe of mass effect. All we ever wanted was a chance to have more options, to to find out the answers to more questions, right?

Wrong...Those elitest, out of touch, disconnected-from-the-fanbase bashers hit the nail dead on the head.

EDIT: perhaps I need to elaborate.

52% of the polled, that's the number one spot, voted for the "Mega Happy Ending (Shepard survives, Normandy stays, Relays Stay, ONLY Reapers Dead, romantic epilogue with LI and crew, no starchild, no
stargazer)" 

29%, second place, voted for the "Bolt-On Conventional (Shep rejects "Star Child", reapers are eventually destroyed with HEAVY losses using the allied fleet, Shep survives to reunite with crew)"

Tied for number 4 with 4% of the vote is "Bolt-On Crew Reuniting (Existing endings, but crew stayed on earth and finds Shepard)"

The mega happy ending has a 23% lead, that is a sad reflection if people are willing to take a B.S. ending in which no loses for our side occur in the battle head on against the reapers forces, than deal with having the starchild in it but still be able to reject him.

For all of you who are like "I don't care if my shepard had to sacrifice himself or not, it's just the way he does it that's wrong." 67% strongly agree that "It is important that the DLC allows shepard to live and reunite with his squad and love interest"., the closest second of this group is 19% for just regular agree...so 84% of the people who want a new ending are mad that shepard dies, I really don't get that, espically since most of the people who have posted about the endings neve bring it up as a problem.

62% prefer the indoctrination theory that the endings were all in shepards head and that you have to play through the entire ending sequence a second time to get the correct ending, to being able to activate the crucible or have expanded diolouge with the starchild, or just telling hackett to fight the reapers conventionally and skp the starchild all together, or a combination of both.

This group, when combined, makes up about 34%, which is 28% less than the indoctrination theory. So, people would rather see their headcannon make it to the full screen and have an unnesisary, roundabout way of getting to the endings and a game mechanic that isn't neccisay,since shepard already tried to be indoctrinated by the illusive man and fought him off using the reputation meter, than see an actually fixed ending without the indoctrination theory. wow, just wow.

EDIT AGAIN: 

I apologies if anyone found the way I worded my post to be offensive or off putting, but the results I saw were really disheartending and made me question whether the hold the line movement was really even worth supporting anymore.

It's the fact that this poll shows that the vast majority really does want a "dunshine and rainnbows" ending, that one of the biggest insults to the movement to have another ending is correct, with proof of such, that has really stuck hard. I'm not one of the people who hate the endings, I actually feel a somewhat emotional satisfaction from having my shepard's story come to an end, and him being at peace with the choice. But even so, to have what I considered the fringe of both sides being shown to be the majority all along, and the reasonable crowd being the fringe, is a shocker.

Anyway, the person who made these polls has one more question to upload, and it seems to be one with more options and a better wording so that people don't just vote for it because of the word "no starchild" in it, so here's hoping that that''s why the polls look the way they do.

You don't need to be an elitist ****** to realize that attacking the creators of a story and game because of a 10 minute sequence is quite indicative of some sense of entitlement. And besides, who said elitists don't have good ideas... Karl Marx and John Stuart Mill were elitist, and their ideas are predominant in political thought.
Just food for thought
Thanks for all your hard work though!

[Cakefish]

Hey there, thanks for linking a poll that contains MASSIVE SPOILERS with NO WARNING

FOOL OF A TOOK

[MissMaster_2]

Naqey wrote...

so you´re upset that some people want a happy ending?
YEAH I DONT GET THAT EITHER, WHATS WRONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE?!?
A HAPPY ENDING?! HOW DARE YOU!

lol this.

[Getorex]

Again, to me, a "happy" ending is one that doesn't necessarily SHOW me that Shepard is alive, but gives me a suggestion that he COULD be alive (the intake of breath at the end of the red ending does this...so that is OK). The bogus part is the running away Normandy. That sucks and makes no sense. There is NO reason for the Normandy to run away. They have NO idea what options are available to Shepard. The Green and Red ending are not fearsome and there is no foreshadowing of what choice will be made. The Normandy stays either in Earth orbit or in dock or whatever. No running away. There. Shepard is hinted at being alive (though others could imagine that he died...it's open to interpretation). The crew didn't turn tail and run so I can imagine Shepard alive and at some near future point rejoining his remaining crew and LI. Nothing explicitly showing this, but certainly allowing that personal interpretation. That's a happy ending of a sort without getting all ponies and unicorns.

The way ALL 3 endings are done now, the ability to imagine a happy future is taken away. Sure, Shepard takes a breath but so what? The Normandy and crew are impossibly far away so there is NO WAY to imagine a reunion especially since the Relays are toast. The endings take away our ability to IMAGINE an ending we prefer. Totally unnecessary.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Modifié par Blood-Lord Thanatos, 20 mars 2012 - 05:05 .

[Brilhros]

I don't like/understand how some of the options were formulated in that poll. And there seems to be missing some like the ones I would pick, better chaining and explaining the events in the endings. If anything, I would add stuff to the existing one, not it remove or replace it.

Modifié par Brilhros, 20 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[JediMB]

An ending where the main protagonist survives and random nonsense doesn't suddenly happen in the last few minutes isn't necessarily a Perfect Happy Ending.

You can still have an ending where your side suffers heavy losses against the antagonists.

Let's look at Dragon Age: Origins as an example. Not only did you have multiple choices about who lives or dies or runs away at the end, but you also had the chance to actually let your skill in combat determine who fell and who made it out unscathed in the final battle.

If there was actually a way to participate in and affect the battle between the allied fleets and the Reapers, I would love that to bits. Where the individual fleets you've brought with you actually have purposes besides the numbers on your War Assets screen.

It's always nice to have choice with actual and varied consequences.

EDIT: Of course I realize that at this point it would be pretty much impossible to set up a system where you'd get to participate in space battles and such, unless it's released as a full paid-for DLC quite a few months down the line, but it mostly just served as a comparison to DAO.

Modifié par JediMB, 20 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[London]

I want a "happy" ending where Shepard lives and is reunited with LI and his surviving crew. I don't expect an ending as depicted above where miraculously there are no casualties at all and everything is fine as though nothing happened. As others pointed out - this is already not the case just due to the events of the series themselves anyway.

[Pkxm]

Would be nice to get rid of the old man and kid scene..that was horrible

[terdferguson123]

Adding an option such as "I want all of the above even if it takes more dev time" is silly, and will nearly ALWAYS win. This is the problem with the retake movement, nobody knows exactly what they want, so they will just vote on any poll that claims it will be different than how it is. You guys state all day long how "it's not about getting a happy ending", but that is exactly what it's about. Some of you cannot even begin to fathom the fact that you stopped a cycle of that has gone on for generations wiping out all advanced life in the galaxy. And you still seem to think you didn't get a happy ending?

[saeval912]

Sirartistic wrote...

I was and still am against the endings in some ways but I recently thought about the ending further and I longer hate it. Here is why. There is CLEAR evidence that Shepard is dreaming or perhaps being tested/indoctrinated.

This question will answer everything. As yourself, why would Shepard need to destroy the conduits to make the Crucible work? Since when does destroying something make something work?!?!?

Or how about space jumping into a beam and falling to your death??? How does that make the Crucible work??? Ask yourself these questions and you will see that it may not be poor writing after all...

bioware has refuted this. this is not the ending.

[Kulthar Drax]

Some of the poll questions were quite badly phrased and can lead to easy misinterpretation of the results, which may or may not have been the intention to begin with.

"It is important that the DLC allows the mass relay system to stay intact:"

This poll question regarding the Mass Relays should really have been written to say that "in at least one possible ending, the DLC allows the Mass Relay system to stay intact".

"It is important that the DLC allows shepard to live and reunite with his squad and love interest:"

This poll question regarding Shepard living and reuniting with his squad and love interest should have been written to say "It is important that in at least one possible ending the DLC allows Shepard to survive and reunite with his squad and love interest again"

Would I like a happy ending available? Sure. BUT at the same time, I don't mind having like 10 other wildly different endings in which Shepard lives/dies, the mass relays survive/get destroyed, the citadel survives/gets destroyed, the reapers win/lose etc etc. Lots of variation taking into account all your major actions, your paragon/renegade scores, your EMS etc.

Hell, even the "happiest ending" you could do, where Shepard survives, reunites with his squad, destroys all/most of the reapers and the mass relays remain intact is STILL a bittersweet ending. Kaidan/Ashley has died, Mordin has died, Thane has died, possibly Anderson too (depending on how any DLC plays out), even YOU died (though you did get brought back to life) at least once. Plus Earth, Palaven, Thessia, Irune, Dekuuna, Khar'Shan, Feros, Elysium, Terra Nova and a thousand other worlds have been ruined by war. Billions upon billions are already dead, the galactic economy has been shattered, many governments including possibly the citadel council (may or may not escape in DLC endings?) have been destroyed. Hardly sunshine and bunnies.

[Giantdeathrobot]

This is a pretty bad poll, honestly. It reads like there should be only 1 ending, while what many people want is choice. From relatively happy  Shepard lives with LI and friends to Reapers winning. As others have said, even if Shepard presses an IWIN button that makes every single Reaper pop out of existence, it's still a bittersweet ending due to all the damage done to the galaxy. As of now, no matter how hard we work, we are forced into a downer ending, and one that doesn't make much sense and contradicts theb themes established elsewhere in the series to boot. I understand that there's a bit of a knee-jerk reaction demanding the opposite, a good ending.

Oh, and Ah yes, polls with barely 6k respondants being more representative than those with 60k+. We have dismissed that claim.

[Captain_Brian]

Hey guys, I made all those polls and I just wanted to point a couple of things out:

I tried to be deliberate in my wording with things like "allow" and "possible", but judging from some of the responses I still didn't seem to make it completely clear that these poll questions were asking about the POSSIBILITY of these things happening.

Based on all the responses I've seen, nobody wants to force any of there preferences on anyone else. People want the POSSIBILITY of a "mega happy ending" in the game. People want their decisions to matter. Even in ME2, depending on your choices, you could get through a "suicide" mission with absolutely NO losses. In ME3, by the end of the game, the galaxy is decimated and there is already unimaginable death and destruction. When people say they want a happy ending, they really mean the possibility of one for their squad and what's left of the galaxy.

Finally, I made a new poll (Q16) to try to address all the concerns and results of all my other polls. In it, I make perfectly clear that while it seems most want the possibility of a happy ending, people also want a bittersweet ending and bad endings too.

Let me know if you guys have any suggestions on the poll in my thread, I'm trying to make these polls as "unbiased" as I can, while still presenting the options that most of the community are asking for. The point is to provide feedback to Bioware for any possible ending DLC they come up with.

[Gruzmog]

Isnt the poll asking for the option too have a certain ending? I think the game should allow for a variety of endings includign a happy one. Do I think that is the only option? no

If you wanted to know if people would only be satisfied with a happy ending, the poll is asking the wrong questions. We are voting on a best cae scenario here. Best case = the most options, including a happy one.

[Jaysh]

Is it really so bad to want a happy ending? Does Shepard not deserve a happy ending?

Modifié par Jaysh, 20 mars 2012 - 06:16 .

[Captain_Brian]

Giantdeathrobot wrote...
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Oh, and Ah yes, polls with barely 6k respondants being more representative than those with 60k+. We have dismissed that claim.

The poll you're referring to has been up for a couple of weeks and was available right after the game was released.  Mine just came out on saturday, but even then I doubt it will reach those numbers since many of those voters were ones that stormed to the forums right after they initially finished the game.

[Rocktel]

Everyones going to choose a happy ending if its an option, dosn't mean they'd be so furious if it wasn't an option and the endings were just done better.

[DarkSpider88]

Honestly I found the lack of choices in your poll to be the reason why the results show what they do. In all honesty a super happy ending should be achievable like it was in 2, the option should be there. There should be an outright fail option. Your poll answers are not varied enough.

[Velocithon]

people still don't want a happy ending necessarily. they just the OPTION to be there. and I agree.

[BalooTheBear]

The problem with these polls is that while I do want an ending with my LI and Shep together (which I don't think would be all sunshine and rainbows by the way. So much has been lost) this doesn't mean that I don't want various other endings too, including very dark ones.

Plus the poll doesn't give the option of reunited with Li without 'major happy ending.' What about a quiet moment with you're LI holding hands at a war memorial?

The issue here is choice and the lack of it we have currently. That is a separate but equally real and important issue as the major plot hole issues.

[atheimetal]

I would be okay with one ending being a 'happy' ending (although it should be very difficult to obtain) but I personally do NOT expect a happy ending. I think it would be insulting given everything you work for over the course of three games, that's just not how things work. It is disappointing that... those articles that said we 'all only want happy endings' that I have been denouncing until now may actually be right.