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[Flyprdu]

AJRimmsey wrote...

a disney ending would have been the fuel to start a blaze that EVERYONE would have rebelled against.

Bull. 

[Vigil_N7]

I think they should keep the starchild scene, so long as said starchild is intentionally suppose to be Harbinger.

[donbaloo]

Why would anyone even expect a conventional win against the Reapers? We've known all along that's impossible. The Crucible was the only shot and we couldn't even have reasonable expectations of that. Crucible was a crapshoot and we knew that going into it. All we had though.

[The Tizminator]

Miekkas wrote...

SPOILERS

Actually, they still failed to hit the nail on the head, and it has been demonstrated over and over again as to why. Read this article that point for point, shows why the entire Starchild situation and ending in nonsense:
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

People at this point are so disgusted with the starchild's concept that some want him scrapped entirely.

Let's address the fact that the current endings do not follow the prevalent theme of the series: the perseverance of Shepard and his team to overcome impossible odds and live to fight another day. They have built their legendary careers around defying authority and doing what people said no one could do, and they came out alive after doing it as icing on the cake. The ending of the game completely disregards this theme, which is why so many players are upset. They have come to expect a Shepard who is larger than life, a being who we can all look to as a *living* example of a hero. Shepard went from being a living hero throughout the entire series who lives depending on how much effort you put into the game even into the majority the third game until the last ten minutes where Bioware decided to change Shepard into a mindless drone who does as he is told instead of a being of defying authority. He is not even a tragic hero in the ending, which some people could have accepted. He is a pawn who simply gives in because some god starchild *says* he is right.

Why do "bashers" continue to think that by players asking for a "happy ending", they are asking for something out of a Disney movie? Consider the following:

1. Billions are dead by the end of the game regardless of Shepard's actions because the Reapers.
2. Earth, Palaven, and Thessia have all been essentially burned to the ground.
3. You have lost several current or former team members by the end of the game, regardless of your actions.
4. There are numerous hints that Shepard is suffering severe emotional and mental stress to the point of PTSD such the dream sequences, and Joker mentioning that EDI has detected Shepard's stress levels are higher than when he/she fought during the Skylian Blitz. Characters like Garrus, Joker, Ashley, Kaiden, and other characters all mention they don't know what has happened to their families. Liara's entire life spent studying the Protheans is completely uprooted by the appearance of Javik and discovery of Thessia. She feels like her entire life in the study has been wasted.

Regardless if the Reapers are destroyed, the relays are left intact, and Shepard lives to reunite with his surviving team, the end is at BEST bittersweet. Shepard and the entire Galaxy has suffered and sacrificed a lot to defeat the Reapers, and now they have to live each day while rebuilding what little they have left with the knowledge of EVERYTHING they have lost. There is no victory is war. There is only those who are left to pick up the pieces and bury the dead. Bashers cheapen the impact of the points I have made like they do not matter, but they do very much so. Talk to soldiers how they feel about coming home alive with friends who have died overseas and get back to me about the "whiny happy ending" nonsense because it is darn insulting to me. Happy endings are not always rainbows and bunnies. Sometimes they are just about living to see another day to honor those who we have lost and living with what has been lost for the rest of our lives. There is strength and meaning to be found in a man or woman who lives to see another day after losing so much and walks away with the determination to become a better person, to appreciate everything they still have whether that be friends or lovers or simply being alive. We should not cheapen the sacrifices of the lost by saying a soldier must die in having any deep meaning.

SPOILERS

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This.

[SandTrout]

Flyprdu wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

a disney ending would have been the fuel to start a blaze that EVERYONE would have rebelled against.

Bull. 

I agree with this.

[bwFex]

While I appreciate the effort of what you're doing here, I feel like you're representing our discontent poorly in a number of ways.

First, your bitterness over this situation makes us all look unreasonable. We have a legitimate, reasonable purpose for our indignation, and we don't need to resort to name-calling or "haha, I told you so!" to prove our point.

Secondly, this poll seems to be spoonfeeding all the "right" answers to the audience.

Finally, this poll fails to address most of the real concerns. It focuses far too much on the destruction of the relays, Shepard's death, and the absurdness of the Normandy scene. Don't get me wrong: those are all very annoying things that need to be dealt with. But your polling questions ignore all of the real, underlying issues: the fact that our choices are invalidated, that we are left with more questions and worries than answers and hope, that the star-child scene doesn't fit with the game at all.

Also, almost every single question here suffers from one of two problems:

1) It lays out the options in such a way that you simply cannot pick anything but the option that is obviously best. Of course everyone is going to take the sugary candy over the stinky vegetables. Of course everyone wants to see a LI epilogue instead of not seeing it. These are obvious questions with obvious answers, and polling an audience on them serves very little purpose.

2) The responses available are far too specific, rely on too many assumptions, and also leave out options that you hadn't considered. This is especially true for questions like #14, #4, #3, and your new final question.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I think this poll is guided and not very useful. It doesn't tell Bioware anything surprising or useful.

[IsleySilverlord]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Haha. All this talk about "not wanting a unicorns and rainbows" ending is put to an absolute lie by these poll results.

Seriously, it's freaking blatant that "Happy ending or BUST".

Please, BioWare, PLEASE do not listen to this trite, cliched, crap. The last thing I want is an ending where Shepard rides off on a unicorn that farts rainbows while Ashley, Liara, and Tali all declare their undying love for him. That would just be unimgainably boring.

We're lucky your opinion is only yours, and polls speaks differently.

[Jason76]

Sion1138 wrote...

All we want is this:

Options! -> Happy ending, bitter ending, disastrous ending...

^ this

options! that's what the game was about anyway

[Timstuff]

A new poll should be added asking if there should be a new boss battle inserted somewhere at the end. After killing a human-shaped reaper at the end of ME2, it was a letdown not to get a climactic boss battle at the end of ME3. Why didn't we get to fight Harbringer? Even taking for granted that we did not like the actual ending for the game, the climax went out with a whimper-- we push a button and then talk to the space brat. Yeah, you could say "a boss battle would have been a cliche," but like a lot of cliches, final boss battles exist because they work well.

[Captain_Brian]

So... the poll has too many options, too few options, is too specific, and is too broad?

Also, there IS an option of being reunited with LI without 'major happy ending', it is actually listed right below the 'major happy ending' poll option.

I spend all weekend working on these polls and tried HARD to make them reflect what everyone wanted. However, it is HARD to do with the tiny descriptions you're limited to in these polls.

Not to mention I had to come up with most of this on my own since I was getting almost NO feedback when I'd try to ask people what they wanted to see in these polls before I made them. Where were you guys a few days ago?

[IsleySilverlord]

What the hell is this? Polls have spoken. Deal with it.

Meaningless uninteresting illogic space magic dramatic ending = Cool.
Happy ending = Crap.

Seriously, what the ...?

[yahtzo]

I find it funny you guys harp so much on the "Our choices didn't matter!" aspect yet its a sin for Shepard and friends to live through this mess if you made the right choices?

[nomoredruggs]

o.O

There's nothing wrong with wanting the option to have an ending where your Shepard and crew survives.

Anyway, it just goes to show that had they indeed put different endings in this game , from total failure to total victory, depending on your preparations & ems, this s***storm would have been avoided.

[Golferguy758]

I didn't know that reuniting with your li and crew all of a sudden undid the trillions of credits in damage. The billions of lost lives, the loss of several of your closest friends.

even if shepard won and met up with his crew the ending will still be bitter sweet for the aforementioned reasons

[IsleySilverlord]

nomoredruggs wrote...

o.O

There's nothing wrong with wanting the option to have an ending where your Shepard and crew survives.

Anyway, it just goes to show that had they indeed put different endings in this game , from total failure to total victory, depending on your preparations & ems, this s***storm would have been avoided.

+100

[MinatheBrat]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Haha. All this talk about "not wanting a unicorns and rainbows" ending is put to an absolute lie by these poll results.

Seriously, it's freaking blatant that "Happy ending or BUST".

Please, BioWare, PLEASE do not listen to this trite, cliched, crap. The last thing I want is an ending where Shepard rides off on a unicorn that farts rainbows while Ashley, Liara, and Tali all declare their undying love for him. That would just be unimgainably boring.

If you want your shep to die- I agree- that should be an option.

If I want my Shep to live and be with her LI- that should be an option- and why do you want to tell me otherwise? Isn't that what this is about- the fact that our choice was taken away and boiled down into three trite, inane, color-coded explosions?

Yeah, it is. So butt out of my choices....You're acting just like BW.

Modifié par MinatheBrat, 20 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[Gedgehog]

I would love to see a super happy ending, but I'd expect MASSIVE losses to the allied side. Why shouldn't my Shepard reunite with his love interest at the end though? I'd expect him to be crippled though, maybe lose a leg or something... It would also have to be excruciatingly hard to get.

Having said that, I'd also want a super terrible ending, where the reapers win and earth is enslaved / destroyed. I'd expect nothing less than total victory to go to the reapers and everyone is killed. I'd like some in between endings too, maybe Shepard survives but dies due to a mortal wound, but gets the opportunity to say goodbye to his love interest in hospital or something. Another good option would be a sacrificial ending in which the Normandy and the entire squad + Shepard sacrifice themselves.
I'm not asking for purely a super happy ending, I'm asking for variety. I'd like to be able to have the choice of going for a good ending or a bad ending.
TBH - I was kinda hoping to get a terrible ending on my first playthrough, with the reapers winning. I was looking forward to seeing how Bioware did this - but of course they didn't.

Modifié par Gedgehog, 20 mars 2012 - 06:34 .

[IsleySilverlord]

Golferguy758 wrote...

I didn't know that reuniting with your li and crew all of a sudden undid the trillions of credits in damage. The billions of lost lives, the loss of several of your closest friends.

even if shepard won and met up with his crew the ending will still be bitter sweet for the aforementioned reasons

+1000

[The Night Mammoth]

Completely an utterly missing the point. Like, the point is here at my feet, and your just over there, in Jupiter's atmosphere struggling to articulate a valid point.

No one's asking for our one single ending to be irrevocably changed to something where everyone lives happily ever after, that's pretty unrealistic considering the Reapers have caused so much desolation.

Pretty much everyone is asking for a CHOICE of endings, a vast range where your friends and allies have the chance to survive and rebuild, to your absolute defeat where Reapers win and the cycle continues.

Since that's pretty much what Mass Effect has built itself on, it's frankly insulting that Bioware think this travesty is acceptable.

I must add, that this is directed at the interpretation of the poll(s) and not necessarily at the creator of them. He seems determined to gather some decent data, kudos. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 20 mars 2012 - 06:34 .

[Timstuff]

Captain_Brian wrote...

So... the poll has too many options, too few options, is too specific, and is too broad?

Also, there IS an option of being reunited with LI without 'major happy ending', it is actually listed right below the 'major happy ending' poll option.

I spend all weekend working on these polls and tried HARD to make them reflect what everyone wanted. However, it is HARD to do with the tiny descriptions you're limited to in these polls.

Not to mention I had to come up with most of this on my own since I was getting almost NO feedback when I'd try to ask people what they wanted to see in these polls before I made them. Where were you guys a few days ago?

Don't worry, the polls are fine, I think some people are just misinterpreting the results / overreacting.

[Chrisimo]

To the OP:

The polls ask whether there should be the POSSIBILITY of saving the relays, the crew, Shepard, etc.

That just means that people want to have options - because without options you have no choices and without choices you have no options. But Mass Effect is about choices.

[Dranks]

Oh no. People want a happy ending. This is the end of the universe as we know it. Whatever shall we do.

[Titan_HQ]

xsdob wrote...

The mega happy ending has a 23% lead, that is a sad reflection if people are willing to take a B.S. ending in which no loses for our side occur in the battle head on against the reapers forces, than deal with having the starchild in it but still be able to reject him.

It is a flawed poll, it is forcing people to choose ONE ending. Most people, me included would prefer that ONE ending over the other options as it is in character with out sheps.
The ending we really want is one that has EVERYTHING from happy ending, to heavy losses, to Reapers sucseed.

[GreggerG]

Chrisimo wrote...

To the OP:

The polls ask whether there should be the POSSIBILITY of saving the relays, the crew, Shepard, etc.

That just means that people want to have options - because without options you have no choices and without choices you have no options. But Mass Effect is about choices.

I didn't read everything in this thread but I'm happy to see at least someone understands the importance of the word 'possibility'