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[Xarathos]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

I do think there should be an OPTION for a happy ending, but I certainly don't think it should be the ONLY ending.

It also should be extremely difficult to achieve. For instance, to even have a shot at the "happy ending", the player would have to max out their EMS, as well as solve all conflicts among the other races in an optimum way (for instance, peace between Geth and Quarian so that in the final battle both are available as war assets to him), etc. If the player fails to meet some defined "checklist" of these items, and the happy ending isn't available to them.

This.

Also, if you actually read the rest of the poll and pay attention to all of the questions, the results aren't that surprising...

[Captain_Brian]

Kilshrek wrote...

Look, the way your poll was worded was surely to induce a bias towards certain elements.

Edit your OP to provide a full breakdown of the percentages on your questions and make it look a little more formal, as you seemed to have intended to do in the first place.

Presenting your data in this manner, plus opinions, isn't really on.

Just present the data, and let it speak for itself, opinions can come after everything has been laid out.

That's because the OP didn't make the polls.  I did.  The ACTUAL thread on these polls is here.

If you notice I am pretty neutral in tone through the entire topic because I DO actually want to be neutral.

[Lightice_av]

Just wait and see the Reapers turn into ice-cream in the Bioware pushover ending. Nothing less than sunshine and puppies is going to appease the raging mob, whatever the defenders of the ending change are trying to claim.

Which is a pity because I would love to see more depth added to the current endings, but that's not going to happen because the so-called fans will just go crazy again because the universe still doesn't return to status quo.

[Jeb231]

Timstuff wrote...

 I think the reason why people are hesitant to endorse the fans asking for a happier ending is because some of these idiot gaming "journalists" have been using that as ammunition when they try to oversimplify the issue and attack us. .

Then the poll happens and confirms it. Luckily game writing in't a democarcy.Imagine what would have happened if Kubrick had listened to online polls.

Modifié par Jeb231, 20 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[Tapkomet]

I wonder why people say they don't want "ponies and rainbows". WHo doesn't want ponies?

But seriously, I wanted a happy ending where Shepard could reunite with LI. I also wanted an ending when he would sacrifice himself (but not in the stupid way like here).

Another thing I wanted is Harbinger reuniting with his LI and building some Reaper babies (using blue babes). And an ending where Harbinger needed to do a heroic sacrifice to stop Shepard.

[JulienJaden]

Reiella wrote...

Lecram Nella wrote...

I see. people apparently want a 'magical happy rainbowland' ending <.<

Well, a plurality want it.  It may not be fair to say the lack of happy ending is why they're discontent.  Of course, it's far harder to actually give a real reason why they are discontent, but simply signs of their discontent [and elements that they 'nitpick' because of their discontent].

Just because it's what they say they want, it doesn't mean they would be discontent if they don't get it.  Of couse, that type of study is far harder to do.

I don't even think it's about that. If people derive from the poll that people only want the addition of a happy ending, it needs to be edited.

The way I see it, most want the freedom to choose a happy ending for themselves. They want a multitude of endings, from worst to best, so their story can end the way they want.
Saying every ending has to be bittersweet and that BioWare shouldn't implement a good ending is a stupid, dickish thing to do.

But, to be fair, saying that every ending should be at least somewhat good would be just as bad.

[Deepo78]

 Not alot of love for Star Child in those poll results.


Good, he was a walking cliche.

[Reiella]

Jarcander wrote...

Couldn't finish the poll. It didn't offer the indoctrinated ending theory, which makes most sense to me ever since I laid my eyes on it.

...  Indoctrination is one of the options in the poll.

[Captain_Brian]

Jarcander wrote...

Couldn't finish the poll. It didn't offer the indoctrinated ending theory, which makes most sense to me ever since I laid my eyes on it.

It DOES  offer the indoc theory.

*Sigh* I have I migraine. I give up.

[D1ck1e]

nrcrane wrote...

I think most people just want multiple endings that vary greatly, and a "happy" ending would be one of those possibilities. I think if a poll was created where people could vote on having a happy ending, and a sad ending, most people would want both.

Having different possible endings is what people expected based on the previous Mass Effect games, and from what the developers were saying pre-release.

My thoughts exactly.

[Noatz]

Captain_Brian wrote...

Noatz wrote...

Alright, since you have tried to use your poll results to draw a twisted conclusion this calls for an emergency debunking service.

The DLC ending, in general, should deliver the following experience:


(I know everyone wants an "All of the above" option for this poll, but I needed at least ONE of these polls to be polarizing and show just exactly what is MOST important to most people. Ideally they would do them all, but just vote to show where you'd like them to focus their efforts.)

Mega Happy Ending (Shepard survives, Normandy stays, Relays Stay, ONLY Reapers Dead, romantic epilogue with LI and crew, no starchild, no stargazer)
51%(1446 votes)

Bolt-On Romance Reuniting (Existing endings, but LI stayed on earth and finds Shepard)
8%(234 votes)

Bolt-On Crew Reuniting (Existing endings, but crew stayed on earth and finds Shepard)
4%(121 votes)

Bolt-On Conventional (Shep rejects "Star Child", reapers are eventually destroyed with HEAVY losses using the allied fleet, Shep survives to reunite with crew)
30%(844 votes)

Leave As Is (Only explain existing plotholes like why Joker leaving earth)
3%(72 votes)

Other (List Below In Comments, don't choose this if you aren't going to comment!)
4%(123 votes)

This is the main poll you are using to peddle your "happy ending" rubbish.

The trap you set up (though it could be just bad poll design) was providing a set of arbitrary options you concocted that were deliberately unsatisfactory in that they do not address most of the logic fails or thematic disconnects of the ending. The only solution you offer that does is this is the "mega happy ending" option, through removing the star child. The one other option that goes somewhat toward the same direction, the so called "bolt on conventional" rather unsurprisingly has the second highest vote count. This is not an accident. Your poll options are badly concieved and/or designed specifically to corral votes into the conclusion you desired.

The only acceptable option for me when I looked at this poll was to use the "other" option and leave a comment. Your insistence that people leave a comment (in itself not a bad thing) indicates you must have either a. known would discourage people from using that option or b. failed to account for such discouragement. Either way, considering the bias inherent in your other options, this poll fails to convey any meaningful sentiment on why people wish the ending changed.

The reason I had the "other" option is because I wanted to account for any OTHER options in FUTURE polls.  I WANTED to hear what other ideas people had.  Hell, I created a new topic just for Q16 so I could get feedback before I posted it.  But guess what?  Nobody replied and the thread died off.   I can't predict every possible thing people want, but it seems people just like to criticize rather than contribute.

I see now that this poll (Q14) was poorly designed because it did not fully spell things out for people.  People seem to be seeing bais either because of this topic creator's initial post or because there wasn't enough descriptions in the polls to explain to people the reason for them.  (I relied on my forum post for a lot of that, I didn't realize people would be coming in from other places to vote.)

However either way, the point that has become clear through all this is that everyone wants OPTIONS, and just most prioritize a happy ending as the option they MOST want.

I actually owe you an apology, since you are not drawing the same conclusions as this topic's creator, nor speaking in the inflammatory manner that they are.

Unfortunately the issues with that poll's options still stand

[thatryanguy]

All your poll really says is that people unanimously want options. Choices. As you didn't have a "I don't care what they do so long as rainbows and ponies and babies" option to vote on, your claim that that's what everyone wants is invalid. The vote was for whether the option of rainbows ponies babies should be included.

[bigtymers1211]

wow....people that are angry at the Hold the lIne movement or agree with OP that HTL movement only want "Happy Ending", they need to research the meaning of the word "POSSIBILITY", the entire poll has the word "POSSIBILITY" at every question. That means having "Happy" ending as a Possibility, which will or will not be in the "DLC ending". Beside, what defines "happy?" like some ppl say above, "Happy" could mean everyone live and Shep stays with LI and have kids, or they just simply stay alive at the end and slowly rebuild everything, with Shep having some form of PTSD and his/her crewmate/LI try to take care of him/her later (and I can consider this Happy ending as well.). The MAIN reason ppl are not happy because the ending simply doesn't Make sense, consider how Sheppard act before (questioning EVERYTHING), and have plot hole the size of Pacific Ocean in the end storyline that invalidate almost EVERYTHING the entire trilogy has mentioned before.

[Coolfaec]

tl;dr

[Sir_Alric]

xsdob wrote...
It's the fact that this poll shows that the vast majority really does want a "dunshine and rainnbows" ending, that one of the biggest insults to the movement to have another ending is correct, with proof of such, that has really stuck hard. I'm not one of the people who hate the endings, I actually feel a somewhat emotional satisfaction from having my shepard's story come to an end, and him being at peace with the choice. But even so, to have what I considered the fringe of both sides being shown to be the majority all along, and the reasonable crowd being the fringe, is a shocker.

I just want it to be a possibility. It doesn't have to be the new canon ending. The ideal whould be a DLC with multiple (at least 3 or 4, and completely different from one another) endings. Oh, and of course, endings that actually make sense.

[xeNNN]

xsdob wrote...

So, a poll has finally been made that answers the questions about what fans are really looking for in their ending DLC, an important topic if bioware is going to get ti right.

Its started by this guy's thread here http://social.biowar.../index/10133310 But since most of you here can't acess that part of the forum I'm giving you guys the link to the polls here.

http://social.biowar...=dd&search=&p=2

Remeber, you have to press the previous tag to go forward in the thread.

This is the part where I talk about the results, so don't read it if you want to find out for yourself.

So remeber how when we first came out for the endings, people called us spoiled and whinners, and claimed that we only complained because it wasn't exactly what the fans wanted, and how people who wanted to change the endings only wanted a super happy unicorn and cupcakes ending with sugar and sunshine for all.

What a bunch of elitist pricks, what a bunch of goons for the big bad corporation that is EA, what a bunch of out of touch jerks who don't know the first thing about us. I mean, no one here has ever wanted a perfect happy ending with sprikles on top, we just wanted an ending that didn't ruin the cannon or universe of mass effect. All we ever wanted was a chance to have more options, to to find out the answers to more questions, right?

Wrong...Those elitest, out of touch, disconnected-from-the-fanbase bashers hit the nail dead on the head.

EDIT: perhaps I need to elaborate.

52% of the polled, that's the number one spot, voted for the "Mega Happy Ending (Shepard survives, Normandy stays, Relays Stay, ONLY Reapers Dead, romantic epilogue with LI and crew, no starchild, no
stargazer)" 

29%, second place, voted for the "Bolt-On Conventional (Shep rejects "Star Child", reapers are eventually destroyed with HEAVY losses using the allied fleet, Shep survives to reunite with crew)"

Tied for number 4 with 4% of the vote is "Bolt-On Crew Reuniting (Existing endings, but crew stayed on earth and finds Shepard)"

The mega happy ending has a 23% lead, that is a sad reflection if people are willing to take a B.S. ending in which no loses for our side occur in the battle head on against the reapers forces, than deal with having the starchild in it but still be able to reject him.

For all of you who are like "I don't care if my shepard had to sacrifice himself or not, it's just the way he does it that's wrong." 67% strongly agree that "It is important that the DLC allows shepard to live and reunite with his squad and love interest"., the closest second of this group is 19% for just regular agree...so 84% of the people who want a new ending are mad that shepard dies, I really don't get that, espically since most of the people who have posted about the endings neve bring it up as a problem.

62% prefer the indoctrination theory that the endings were all in shepards head and that you have to play through the entire ending sequence a second time to get the correct ending, to being able to activate the crucible or have expanded diolouge with the starchild, or just telling hackett to fight the reapers conventionally and skp the starchild all together, or a combination of both.

This group, when combined, makes up about 34%, which is 28% less than the indoctrination theory. So, people would rather see their headcannon make it to the full screen and have an unnesisary, roundabout way of getting to the endings and a game mechanic that isn't neccisay,since shepard already tried to be indoctrinated by the illusive man and fought him off using the reputation meter, than see an actually fixed ending without the indoctrination theory. wow, just wow.

EDIT AGAIN: 

I apologies if anyone found the way I worded my post to be offensive or off putting, but the results I saw were really disheartending and made me question whether the hold the line movement was really even worth supporting anymore.

It's the fact that this poll shows that the vast majority really does want a "dunshine and rainnbows" ending, that one of the biggest insults to the movement to have another ending is correct, with proof of such, that has really stuck hard. I'm not one of the people who hate the endings, I actually feel a somewhat emotional satisfaction from having my shepard's story come to an end, and him being at peace with the choice. But even so, to have what I considered the fringe of both sides being shown to be the majority all along, and the reasonable crowd being the fringe, is a shocker.

Anyway, the person who made these polls has one more question to upload, and it seems to be one with more options and a better wording so that people don't just vote for it because of the word "no starchild" in it, so here's hoping that that''s why the polls look the way they do.

sorry but i think you miss interpreted the polls  "everyone wants a mega happy ending"  .....

sorry but thats just wrong people want it yes but the main reason for it is they want the OPTION to actually have such an ending..... its not that everyone wants a happy ending and thats it we want the OPTION to choose to have such an ending  we also want to be able to refute the starchilds logic and we also WANT the option to have a bad bad bad ending aswell instead of having to force ourselves to rush through the game so we can fail at the end.

granted i want a happy fluffy bunny endings. but i also want the chance and choice to have a amazinly happy or an amazingly bad ending. i have no choice in this matter.

its the whole point behind playing paragon or renegade........ if you play paragon throughout the entire series you deserve the option to have a great and happy ending to your story not the a horrible way that deppresses the whole experience and makes you want to never play again...... all the endings are depppressing. 


same goes for the renegade players but obviously it would be happy or bad in renegade fashion. 

key word in my post:
"OPTION" - we dont get one. we WANT one. 
"CHOICE" - we dont get a choice. we WANT to be able to have a choice.

so no the entire retake mass effect movement doesnt want all fluffy bunnies and happy endings .... we simply want the option to have such an ending  and have the option to have a bad one while at the same time filling the plotholes and adding closure. 

the endings complete destroy the illabiration of choice and options in the last 5 minutes which the game was built off throughout the prior 2 games in the series. 

so dont dismiss the movement just because of a few polls. 


also learn to read as nearly every poll has the word "POSSIBILITY" in them.

Modifié par xeNNN, 20 mars 2012 - 07:25 .

[kegNeggs]

nice poll

[Xandax]

So - not wanting space magic that contradicts the setting is 'wanting a happy ending'.
Funny ....... Even if it rubs some 'artistic vision' - aka lazy - ending the wrong way; not blowing up the relays, having the option to survive, rejecting the divine space kid etc - does not mean happy ending.'

No wonder Biowware thinks they can get away with such shoddy work and misleading marketing when they got a specific type of people behind them.
Somebody will look at a white wall and think it's the right painting if somebody comes along and frames it, even if promised a landscape painting. Others will see it's not a landscape painting but infact just a undecorated wall.....

Modifié par Xandax, 20 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[Kilshrek]

Captain_Brian wrote...

That's because the OP didn't make the polls.  I did.  The ACTUAL thread on these polls is here.

If you notice I am pretty neutral in tone through the entire topic because I DO actually want to be neutral.

Do excuse me sir, in my tiredness and irritation at yet another ragey post I have done you a disservice.

I also did vote, and made my feelings clear there, without being controversial.

Again, my apologies.

[Darvins]

There is a basic mistake made, in assuming that people want a happy ending is thus A.) bad and B.) the reason then for their hate. You can want a happy ending but be satisfied with a Bittersweet ending. (Seriously, who didn't love Mordin's moment of 'Had to be me, someone else could have gotten it wrong' as he cures the Genophage and gives his life in the process, or Legion dying to enhance his people. Those are Bittersweet moments where there is loss but also victory.

I think people may prefer a happy ending in someway because after three games, maybe people want to see Shepard get to enjoy the life Shepard has been fighting for all this time. Yes they want to see it, nothing wrong with that, if people work hard for it. At the sametime, they might be satisfied with a Bittersweet ending that at least preserved Shepards character and made sense, without being full of glaring plotholes.

[wasawsolos]

So...why are you all arguing over loaded poll questions?

[jli84]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

This is a very very flawed assessment. It only takes into account what players would "prefer" as their ending. It does not take into account how far from that preference players are willing to travel before an ending is no longer satisfying.

Would I like a well-written happy ending with Shepard alive and with his friends? Of course I would. Why wouldn't anybody? Does anybody truly *want* people to die and suffer because it's more dramatic and interesting? We recognize people die in war...but when war happens...do we hope for as many casualties as possible because it's more *real*? No, we'd prefer if every single one of those soldiers came home and got to enjoy life.

That's why this analysis is horribly flawed.

Personally, I think the whole hero has to sacrifice himself to be complete nonsense. There is no "has to" in stories. That's why it's fiction. But I recognize that hero's will die as well. I will accept Shepard dead so long as the ending is satisfying. I will accept a lot of things that I don't prefer.

But if you outright ask me what I want without setting any limitations then what do you expect to get as an answer?

If you ask me what I wish for I'll set my imagination to work envisioning a happy world. If you ask me what I find reasonable, I'll be much more open to other options..

This. Sure I would like a happy ending (all flowers and rainbows), but could I be happy with an ending where my shep and entire crew dies? Sure could, as long as its well written and their sacrifice ment something. I call shenanigans on your conclusions from this poll! 

[goose2989]

A happy ending after what Shepard and company have gone through would be a real "bittersweet" ending. We've seen Mordin, Legion, and Thane die, not to mention other squadmates can die. Billions of people across the galaxy are likely dead, and Earth, Palaven, Thessia, and numerous other planets are in chaos. I think the galaxy has suffered enough without a Galactic Dark Age on top of it

[dmonorato]

Op you are totally wrong people that voted on your poll don't want happy endings..they want the possibility of happy endings, big difference. I personally expected Sheppard to Sacrifice him/herself at the end, but having the option to have an ending where he lives Show me what happens to the galaxy, what happens to all the main character i've meet along the way... Show me what effect all those war assets I shleped all around the galaxy, I want to see them in the final battle...not the homogenized endings with different colors that we got.

[HALO_Project]

Great poll. I voted and will be including a link in other posts. This should be heavily participated in. And I like that it also represents those that did like the endings as it stands now so they too have a voice. Not one I agree with but I respect all the same.