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[Janus382]

For what it's worth, there were no "I don't care, just change the ending" options.

[VictoriousMarch]

yah I just want to see plot holes fixed, if they do that I would except pretty much any ending they gave me...

[DragonRageGT]

Konges wrote...

Great polls! Great questions!

True. And right at the first question is the answer on how to make the existing endings make sense and actually, have a brilliant explanation. Because it makes sense and the majority of gamers know better than a few radical xiitas fanatics that will bow and accept even if BW tells them to sacrifice themselves IRL because they will gain 70 virgins in Paradise if they do so. (after blowing the "herd", as they call us, with them)

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 20 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[Trackrtar]

I don't see a problem with a happy ending being ONE of the endings. So long as there are different endings.

[Rockworm503]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Maybe you didn't, and I apologize for putting words in your mouth. But according to these polls, that's exactly what the majority of people want. A happy, saccharinely sweet ending with unicorns that fart rainbows and brofists and krograns bearing birthday cakes. 

And that... that breaks my heart. Because if every single person Shepard knows, if every single person Shepard's ever encountered, if every single being that Shepard's acknowledged the existence of lives happily ever after... then that completely neuters the threat of the Reapers. Is nobody's ever in danger... what the hell is the point of playing? And it breaks my heart that people want Hello Kitty Effect. It just breaks my heart.

And how does the ending we have NOW not neuter the exact same reaper threat?
Your fine with 3 colorful explosions that result in the galaxy doomed anyway but your not fine with a happy ending?

To be clear here I'm seeing a lot of people asking that their should at least be an OPTION for that.
I'm sorry but this poll doesn't account for WHY people voted for the happy endings.
I think most of them voted for that one because All of the above wasn't an option in that one.

I'm tired of people calling it Unicorn rainbow farts because happy endings don't usually give us that.
They give us closure.
A tragic ending with closure is really all I'm asking.
Apparently thats asking too much because I'm shoving it down your throat

[WizenSlinky0]

Raging Nug wrote...

"There is no "has to" in stories. That's why it's fiction. But I recognize that hero's will die as well. I will accept Shepard dead so long as the ending is satisfying. I will accept a lot of things that I don't prefer."

Sure, but there are formulae we would like to see followed. Joseph Campbell articulates this very nicely in "The Hero With A Thousand Faces".

We is a strong word. I do not believe any piece should follow a formula, but that is a personal opinion. I believe pieces should be derived from passion, ideas, and the creative process. I find formulas to be indication of desiring money more than good fiction. Formulas are there because everyone wants a simple way of doing a task. But if someone considers writing a task then the passion is cut out from the heart of it.

That is my viewpoint for whatever it may mean.

[MoSa09]

xsdob wrote...

Wrong...Those elitest, out of touch, disconnected-from-the-fanbase bashers hit the nail dead on the head.

EDIT: perhaps I need to elaborate.

52% of the polled, that's the number one spot, voted for the "Mega Happy Ending (Shepard survives, Normandy stays, Relays Stay, ONLY Reapers Dead, romantic epilogue with LI and crew, no starchild, no
stargazer)" 

29%, second place, voted for the "Bolt-On Conventional (Shep rejects "Star Child", reapers are eventually destroyed with HEAVY losses using the allied fleet, Shep survives to reunite with crew)"

Tied for number 4 with 4% of the vote is "Bolt-On Crew Reuniting (Existing endings, but crew stayed on earth and finds Shepard)"

The mega happy ending has a 23% lead, that is a sad reflection if people are willing to take a B.S. ending in which no loses for our side occur in the battle head on against the reapers forces, than deal with having the starchild in it but still be able to reject him.

For all of you who are like "I don't care if my shepard had to sacrifice himself or not, it's just the way he does it that's wrong." 67% strongly agree that "It is important that the DLC allows shepard to live and reunite with his squad and love interest"., the closest second of this group is 19% for just regular agree...so 84% of the people who want a new ending are mad that shepard dies, I really don't get that, espically since most of the people who have posted about the endings neve bring it up as a problem.

62% prefer the indoctrination theory that the endings were all in shepards head and that you have to play through the entire ending sequence a second time to get the correct ending, to being able to activate the crucible or have expanded diolouge with the starchild, or just telling hackett to fight the reapers conventionally and skp the starchild all together, or a combination of both.

This group, when combined, makes up about 34%, which is 28% less than the indoctrination theory. So, people would rather see their headcannon make it to the full screen and have an unnesisary, roundabout way of getting to the endings and a game mechanic that isn't neccisay,since shepard already tried to be indoctrinated by the illusive man and fought him off using the reputation meter, than see an actually fixed ending without the indoctrination theory. wow, just wow.

EDIT AGAIN: 


It's the fact that this poll shows that the vast majority really does want a "dunshine and rainnbows" ending, that one of the biggest insults to the movement to have another ending is correct, with proof of such, that has really stuck hard. I'm not one of the people who hate the endings, I actually feel a somewhat emotional satisfaction from having my shepard's story come to an end, and him being at peace with the choice. But even so, to have what I considered the fringe of both sides being shown to be the majority all along, and the reasonable crowd being the fringe, is a shocker.

Sorry, but i think you are jumping to conclusions. Which is in part due to the rather open ended questions in the first place. and no, my intentions is neither to flame nor bash that one who took all the effort to make the questions in the first place.

Let me elaborate,

1. The "Mega Happy Ending (Shepard survives, Normandy stays, Relays Stay, ONLY
Reapers Dead, romantic epilogue with LI and crew, no starchild, no  stargazer)" .

As you can see, it incorporates a highly lot of variables in one question. Some, imo, are not even related to its name. The removal of the starchild and the stargazer for example, have nothing to do with the question if the game ends on a happy, sad or bittersweet note. Yet, if both to be removed is my primary concern, thats the only real option for me to vote. So people like me voted mega happy ending cause for numerous reasons, i think the starchild is a game - and lore breaker that doesn't fit the game. So i think its safe to assume those who had that top priority voted Mega Happy Ending  cause of that and not because they wanted rainbows and kittens. Same would go for the detail of not having the Mass relays destroyed.

Secondly, the Mega Happy Ending is the only one incorporating the romantic epilogue with Normandy and crew. But look at the numerous threads. Most who want that want that as an option, a possiibility out of the promised 16. What they do not want is a bespoken ending that is railroading them to bittersweetness (or bitterness, since i have yet to discover the sweetness in the current ending as it is). So while many voted Mega Happy Ending, quite a lot i bet did so because they wanted the option to be there, no matter how hard, and this choice was the only one really reflecting and describing this one out of 16 possible epilogues they wanted to see. What most do not want is to replace one bespoken epilogue with the other.

And thirdly, i don't see anything wrong with wanting a happy ending. Some media folks and those who mock the movement here have gone to length to claim that all who vote for Retake are just whiners. But the point is, there is nothing whiny about a happy ending. There is a reason good endings are part of so many good stories we all cherish since hundreds and even thousands of years, entertained by young and old alike. There is no such thing as a childish nature in happy ending. Nor is there an inherent quality in bittersweet endings that makes them superior in any way.

Stories need to end on a fitting note, not a canon bittersweet cause the readers/viewers/gamers are expected to be mature of want to feel mature. And Mass Effect 1 and 2 have been about hope, unity, and fighting the odds. This is not to say that a bittersweet ending can't be rewarding or be the majority of various endings, but it certainly does not lead to the conclusion that Mass Effect 3 suddenly cannot lead to anything else but bittersweet.

Calling the Retake movement whiners and immature cause a happy ending is wanting rainbows and kittens is an attempt to discredit this movement and to have people who would support the movement say "no, i am not like that". Divide and conquer. There is no linkage  like:

wanting a possible happy ending = immature whiners wanting a Disney rainbow ending.

Only if you allow people to make you believe it.

[Adhal]

MrAnthonyDraft wrote...

Indoctrination theory....enough said.

But really, everything from the moment Harbinger hits you, must stay.

This, its to bad like most people against Indoctrination theory, like the OP, still dont understand it.

Shepard didnt fight off indoctrination through rep checks with Illusive man... that whole sceen was part of the indoctrination, neither were really there. It was all in his head. Either there is way to much evidence to even deny its not true, or Biowares writng team just got that bad and inadvertently added a ton of evidence to support a theory they didn't intend.

I'm holding out hope that they aren't completely indoctrinated by EA themselves.

[Rockworm503]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

"There is no "has to" in stories. That's why it's fiction. But I recognize that hero's will die as well. I will accept Shepard dead so long as the ending is satisfying. I will accept a lot of things that I don't prefer."

Sure, but there are formulae we would like to see followed. Joseph Campbell articulates this very nicely in "The Hero With A Thousand Faces".

We is a strong word. I do not believe any piece should follow a formula, but that is a personal opinion. I believe pieces should be derived from passion, ideas, and the creative process. I find formulas to be indication of desiring money more than good fiction. Formulas are there because everyone wants a simple way of doing a task. But if someone considers writing a task then the passion is cut out from the heart of it.

That is my viewpoint for whatever it may mean.

Well there is a formula that every form of entertainment should follow.
Suspension of disbelief.
If they can't deliver that then it fails.
The ending fails because I felt like I was shoe horned into this when we were told that our choices would change things.
No A,B,C endings huh?

[Deteramot]

*DISREGARD THIS*

I had some sort of argument I was making, but after re reading, I think it failed to convey the message I was trying to send.

Words are hard.

Modifié par Deteramot, 20 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Adhal wrote...

MrAnthonyDraft wrote...

Indoctrination theory....enough said.

But really, everything from the moment Harbinger hits you, must stay.

This, its to bad like most people against Indoctrination theory, like the OP, still dont understand it.

Shepard didnt fight off indoctrination through rep checks with Illusive man... that whole sceen was part of the indoctrination, neither were really there. It was all in his head. Either there is way to much evidence to even deny its not true, or Biowares writng team just got that bad and inadvertently added a ton of evidence to support a theory they didn't intend.

I'm holding out hope that they aren't completely indoctrinated by EA themselves.

No offense, and you're welcome to believe as thoroughly in that theory as possible, but all its done is bring headcanon to a crowdsourcing level. It is a horribly flawed theory that only shines because it replaces an even worse ending. Everyone that disagrees doesn't just "not understand it". Telling people they don't understand it is not a legitmate argument against someone who disagrees with you.

The indoctrination theory fails to fill in every hole and some of the holes it does fill is only done so with increasingly more improbable circumstances.

It's a decent enough attempt with some legitmate points to make but please don't talk about how it's 100% factual and expect me to remain silent. As I've said before, if you search hard enough you can find evidence to support anything. It's the problem with being convinced of something before it's proven.

The indoctrination theory is called a theory for a reason.

Rockworm503 wrote...

Well there is a formula that every form of entertainment should follow.
Suspension of disbelief.
If they can't deliver that then it fails.
The ending fails because I felt like I was shoe horned into this when we were told that our choices would change things.
No A,B,C endings huh?

Suspension of disbelief is not a formula, it is a concept. And yes if something breaks your suspension of disbelief you're very likely to dislike it. But it all breaks for us at different levels.

Mind you, I don't like the endings. I've already discussed what I would have done instead and I support the idea of giving the player more choice through expanding the endings. But that won't stop me from debating people who also dislike the endings, if I disagree on something else.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 20 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Maybe you didn't, and I apologize for putting words in your mouth. But according to these polls, that's exactly what the majority of people want. A happy, saccharinely sweet ending with unicorns that fart rainbows and brofists and krograns bearing birthday cakes. 

And that... that breaks my heart. Because if every single person Shepard knows, if every single person Shepard's ever encountered, if every single being that Shepard's acknowledged the existence of lives happily ever after... then that completely neuters the threat of the Reapers. Is nobody's ever in danger... what the hell is the point of playing? And it breaks my heart that people want Hello Kitty Effect. It just breaks my heart.

And how does the ending we have NOW not neuter the exact same reaper threat?
Your fine with 3 colorful explosions that result in the galaxy doomed anyway but your not fine with a happy ending?

To be clear here I'm seeing a lot of people asking that their should at least be an OPTION for that.
I'm sorry but this poll doesn't account for WHY people voted for the happy endings.
I think most of them voted for that one because All of the above wasn't an option in that one.

I'm tired of people calling it Unicorn rainbow farts because happy endings don't usually give us that.
They give us closure.
A tragic ending with closure is really all I'm asking.
Apparently thats asking too much because I'm shoving it down your throat

Because the Reapers are an actual threat. They kill actual people you know and have met. There are actual consequences from defeating them. People want an ending where the Normandy flies around, telling the fleet "Hang on bros, we got this" and one shots every Reaper in existence with their ZOMGLASER. Everybody then lives happily ever after. With cake. 

If the Reapers, who have been in existence for 37 million years and have done this Reapening a few... hundred... thousand... times are THAT easily defeated - or even defeated AT ALL THROUGH CONVENTIONAL MEANS - it completely and utterly neuters them. It turns them into a joke. No galactic civilization in THIRTY SEVEN MILLION YEARS has been able to stop the Reapers, but you expect this one - who is technologically inferior to the Protheans, let alone whoever else - to... do it? And that's okay with you?

You. Cannot. Stop. The. Reapers. Through. Conventional. Means. It is explained SO MANY TIMES in the game.

Asking for this to happen is just as ridiculous as asking for unicorns that fart rainbows. 

[Galbrant]

I'm cool with a bittersweet victory ending, I want to see all my War assets in action.

Modifié par Galbrant, 20 mars 2012 - 07:23 .

[Alikan]

Lets face it though.: bleak and despairing endings are as much cliche as happy endings and have been for years.

[SidNitzerglobin]

The more I think about it the more I like just cutting at the convo w/ Anderson and based on EMS either having the Crucible destroy the reapers and Anderson alive assuming you "saved" him or the Crucible and Citadel destroyed along w/ Earth and the rest of fleet. Keep the stargazer bit after the credits if you got the dead reapers ending.

Quick, easy, and eminently achievable as a free fix. There's plenty of closure w/ your squad prior to the Citadel. It also leaves things open for post ending paid DLC looking at the fallout/denoument/etc. of your choices and NPCS and maybe some reaper/cerberus mop up.

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 20 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[Psychlonus]

AJRimmsey wrote...

a disney ending would have been the fuel to start a blaze that EVERYONE would have rebelled against.

unthinkable

that depends. Disney's Black Hole is a heck of a lot better ending than ME3

[AnoraBlows]

 Why are so many people here AGAINST CHOICE?

I want a sad ending. I want an "evil wins" ending. I want a candies and unicorns ending. I want a hard-fought ending. I want a mixed ending.

The poll should have added an option for all of the above because guess what? Role-playing games that are based on choices have MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ENDINGS. Does it make sense for a Paragon to have the exact same end as a Renegade? Does it make sense to have just an either/or ending (either everyone dies or everyone lives)? Of course not.

Look at Dragon Age Origins, a game that got endings right. You were able to sacrifice yourself. You were able to sacrifice an enemy and have a friend leave you in the process. You were able to sacrifice your friend. You were able to get away without sacrificing anyone.

So, once again I must ask you all: why are you against choice?

Why are we falling into this trap where we all just want one kind of ending when it makes no sense for a Western RPG where your choices are supposed to matter? Not only do multiple endings satisfy a huge chunk of the fanbase, it increases replayability of the game tenfold because we want to see how our actions affected the endings. If we still get the same exact ending - whether it be rainbows and unicorns or a Christ-like ending or a Reapers win ending - there will always be a large chunk of the fanbase that will be pissed. Again, I would say that there should have been an option to have ALL the endings presented in the poll and more and possibly the only option where it really matters - but I have no idea why the poll creator did not do so.

Modifié par AnoraBlows, 20 mars 2012 - 07:44 .

[Quotheraving]

VictoriousMarch wrote...

yah I just want to see plot holes fixed, if they do that I would except pretty much any ending they gave me...

This!

As any statistician can tell you the options that are given and how those options are framed strongly influence the results.

I personally hated the star child scene, I thought it was a lazy and clumsy way of personifying the will of the reapers for some last minute exposition. Still given the options provided I actually found myself wanting to vote equally for the; challenge the kid on being a genocidal monster, the challenge his logic with the co-operating synthetics (who out-grew the desire to 'kill all humans'), or skip that scene entirely options.
I eventually settled on the counter example option because I played a paragon shep and skipping the scene entirely could easily have resulted in something much much worse from the biohacks.... plus they didn't say skip it for what... end credits?

Regardless I would have preferred an ending which explained the keepers, added mystery to the Reapers, was bitter sweet (with the option of a happy ending for shep, but at the cost of far greater casualties... no heavy handed genocide of the geth tho that was ludicrous as the geth are software), showed that the Crucible was not what we thought it was and still solved the Reaper threat... no options for those.

The greatest failure of this poll is that it offers no option for... ahem pardon the shouting...
"WE WANT AN ENDING THAT MAKES SENSE WITHIN THE STORY!! NOT ONE FILLED WITH INCONSISTENCIES AND PLOT HOLES!"
Which means that a minor secondary issue, the lack of an actual "Super perfect happy ending" was instead thrust to the fore.


TLDR options and wording given in polls matter...

Modifié par Quotheraving, 20 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[Rockworm503]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Maybe you didn't, and I apologize for putting words in your mouth. But according to these polls, that's exactly what the majority of people want. A happy, saccharinely sweet ending with unicorns that fart rainbows and brofists and krograns bearing birthday cakes. 

And that... that breaks my heart. Because if every single person Shepard knows, if every single person Shepard's ever encountered, if every single being that Shepard's acknowledged the existence of lives happily ever after... then that completely neuters the threat of the Reapers. Is nobody's ever in danger... what the hell is the point of playing? And it breaks my heart that people want Hello Kitty Effect. It just breaks my heart.

And how does the ending we have NOW not neuter the exact same reaper threat?
Your fine with 3 colorful explosions that result in the galaxy doomed anyway but your not fine with a happy ending?

To be clear here I'm seeing a lot of people asking that their should at least be an OPTION for that.
I'm sorry but this poll doesn't account for WHY people voted for the happy endings.
I think most of them voted for that one because All of the above wasn't an option in that one.

I'm tired of people calling it Unicorn rainbow farts because happy endings don't usually give us that.
They give us closure.
A tragic ending with closure is really all I'm asking.
Apparently thats asking too much because I'm shoving it down your throat

Because the Reapers are an actual threat. They kill actual people you know and have met. There are actual consequences from defeating them. People want an ending where the Normandy flies around, telling the fleet "Hang on bros, we got this" and one shots every Reaper in existence with their ZOMGLASER. Everybody then lives happily ever after. With cake. 

If the Reapers, who have been in existence for 37 million years and have done this Reapening a few... hundred... thousand... times are THAT easily defeated - or even defeated AT ALL THROUGH CONVENTIONAL MEANS - it completely and utterly neuters them. It turns them into a joke. No galactic civilization in THIRTY SEVEN MILLION YEARS has been able to stop the Reapers, but you expect this one - who is technologically inferior to the Protheans, let alone whoever else - to... do it? And that's okay with you?

You. Cannot. Stop. The. Reapers. Through. Conventional. Means. It is explained SO MANY TIMES in the game.

Asking for this to happen is just as ridiculous as asking for unicorns that fart rainbows. 

Ok its obvious you're reading only what you want to read and responding to you is pointless.

[Metalrocks]

AnoraBlows wrote...

 Why are so many people here AGAINST CHOICE?

I want a sad ending. I want an "evil wins" ending. I want a candies and unicorns ending. I want a hard-fought ending. I want a mixed ending.

The poll should have added an option for all of the above because guess what? Role-playing games that are based on choices have MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ENDINGS. Does it make sense for a Paragon to have the exact same end as a Renegade? Does it make sense to have just an either/or ending (either everyone dies or everyone lives)? Of course not.

Look at Dragon Age Origins, a game that got endings right. You were able to sacrifice yourself. You were able to sacrifice an enemy and have a friend leave you in the process. You were able to sacrifice your friend. You were able to get away without sacrificing anyone.

So, once again I must ask you all: why are you against choice?

Why are we falling into this trap where we all just want one kind of ending when it makes no sense for a Western RPG where your choices are supposed to matter? Not only do multiple endings satisfy a huge chunk of the fanbase, it increases replayability of the game tenfold because we want to see how our actions affected the endings. If we still get the same exact ending - whether it be rainbows and unicorns or a Christ-like ending or a Reapers win ending - there will always be a large chunk of the fanbase that will be pissed. Again, I would say that there should have been an option to have ALL the endings presented in the poll and more and possibly the only option where it really matters - but I have no idea why the poll creator did not do so.

not that you are wrong, but lets hope it will be common sense that a mega bad ending will be included. otherwise the poll would be really long if we can choose for a mega bad ending as well.

[Maike91]

AnoraBlows wrote...

 Why are so many people here AGAINST CHOICE?

I want a sad ending. I want an "evil wins" ending. I want a candies and unicorns ending. I want a hard-fought ending. I want a mixed ending.

The poll should have added an option for all of the above because guess what? Role-playing games that are based on choices have MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ENDINGS. Does it make sense for a Paragon to have the exact same end as a Renegade? Does it make sense to have just an either/or ending (either everyone dies or everyone lives)? Of course not.

Look at Dragon Age Origins, a game that got endings right. You were able to sacrifice yourself. You were able to sacrifice an enemy and have a friend leave you in the process. You were able to sacrifice your friend. You were able to get away without sacrificing anyone.

So, once again I must ask you all: why are you against choice?

Why are we falling into this trap where we all just want one kind of ending when it makes no sense for a Western RPG where your choices are supposed to matter? Not only do multiple endings satisfy a huge chunk of the fanbase, it increases replayability of the game tenfold because we want to see how our actions affected the endings. If we still get the same exact ending - whether it be rainbows and unicorns or a Christ-like ending or a Reapers win ending - there will always be a large chunk of the fanbase that will be pissed. Again, I would say that there should have been an option to have ALL the endings presented in the poll and more and possibly the only option where it really matters - but I have no idea why the poll creator did not do so.

THIS!!

[theeyeisblind]

i don't care about a "single" ending improvement, it needs to be comprehensive. mega happy, sad, terrible, neutral, whatever.

i need more than a colorful light, a jungle paradise and a child staring at the moon.

[Rockworm503]

AnoraBlows wrote...

 Why are so many people here AGAINST CHOICE?

I want a sad ending. I want an "evil wins" ending. I want a candies and unicorns ending. I want a hard-fought ending. I want a mixed ending.

The poll should have added an option for all of the above because guess what? Role-playing games that are based on choices have MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ENDINGS. Does it make sense for a Paragon to have the exact same end as a Renegade? Does it make sense to have just an either/or ending (either everyone dies or everyone lives)? Of course not.

Look at Dragon Age Origins, a game that got endings right. You were able to sacrifice yourself. You were able to sacrifice an enemy and have a friend leave you in the process. You were able to sacrifice your friend. You were able to get away without sacrificing anyone.

So, once again I must ask you all: why are you against choice?

Why are we falling into this trap where we all just want one kind of ending when it makes no sense for a Western RPG where your choices are supposed to matter? Not only do multiple endings satisfy a huge chunk of the fanbase, it increases replayability of the game tenfold because we want to see how our actions affected the endings. If we still get the same exact ending - whether it be rainbows and unicorns or a Christ-like ending or a Reapers win ending - there will always be a large chunk of the fanbase that will be pissed. Again, I would say that there should have been an option to have ALL the endings presented in the poll and more and possibly the only option where it really matters - but I have no idea why the poll creator did not do so.

A MILLION Times this.
Best post in these forums in weeks.
Apperantly wanting choice in an RPG that has been all ABOUT choices is asking too much.
People want the happy endings and we're pretty much used to them now because they were right there with the bleak and sad endings.
Hell i've said it before that I would love an ending where Shepard sides with the reapers!

[Father_Jerusalem]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Maybe you didn't, and I apologize for putting words in your mouth. But according to these polls, that's exactly what the majority of people want. A happy, saccharinely sweet ending with unicorns that fart rainbows and brofists and krograns bearing birthday cakes. 

And that... that breaks my heart. Because if every single person Shepard knows, if every single person Shepard's ever encountered, if every single being that Shepard's acknowledged the existence of lives happily ever after... then that completely neuters the threat of the Reapers. Is nobody's ever in danger... what the hell is the point of playing? And it breaks my heart that people want Hello Kitty Effect. It just breaks my heart.

And how does the ending we have NOW not neuter the exact same reaper threat?
Your fine with 3 colorful explosions that result in the galaxy doomed anyway but your not fine with a happy ending?

To be clear here I'm seeing a lot of people asking that their should at least be an OPTION for that.
I'm sorry but this poll doesn't account for WHY people voted for the happy endings.
I think most of them voted for that one because All of the above wasn't an option in that one.

I'm tired of people calling it Unicorn rainbow farts because happy endings don't usually give us that.
They give us closure.
A tragic ending with closure is really all I'm asking.
Apparently thats asking too much because I'm shoving it down your throat

Because the Reapers are an actual threat. They kill actual people you know and have met. There are actual consequences from defeating them. People want an ending where the Normandy flies around, telling the fleet "Hang on bros, we got this" and one shots every Reaper in existence with their ZOMGLASER. Everybody then lives happily ever after. With cake. 

If the Reapers, who have been in existence for 37 million years and have done this Reapening a few... hundred... thousand... times are THAT easily defeated - or even defeated AT ALL THROUGH CONVENTIONAL MEANS - it completely and utterly neuters them. It turns them into a joke. No galactic civilization in THIRTY SEVEN MILLION YEARS has been able to stop the Reapers, but you expect this one - who is technologically inferior to the Protheans, let alone whoever else - to... do it? And that's okay with you?

You. Cannot. Stop. The. Reapers. Through. Conventional. Means. It is explained SO MANY TIMES in the game.

Asking for this to happen is just as ridiculous as asking for unicorns that fart rainbows. 

Ok its obvious you're reading only what you want to read and responding to you is pointless.

So I answered your question about how the Reapers aren't being neutered in the current ending, and because you can't counter it, you get up on your high horse and ride off.

Got it.

[Killer3000ad]

Why is the OP so against having a happy ending? He talks like it would be an afront if Bioware included a happy ending. It's like he likes tragedy and WANTS Shep to be dead in any ending.