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[Nicodemus]

@OP

So, the polls indicate folks want a happy ending. So what? You shouldn't be upset about this, you should embrace it.

The whole thing about the current endings is that apart from being bad, we are screwed with limited choices. We were PROMISED multiple endings with all our actions taken into account. What we got was nothing remotely like that.

If fans want a "sunshine and rainbows ending" let them have that option, but you also have to give them the "you're screwed" ending too.

If you play the default game with the default decisions in ME2 you see exactly why folks are not happy. Sure if Bioware want to make a story canon in that way then so be it, but I, as the player, don't play my game in that way. THIS is why there needs to be more than the 3 choices we have now. The canon story is THEIR vision of what they wanted to tell, but when you make a story that is subject to the decisions of the player, you have to cater for the player's decisions in the final act. This is why the ending fails so badly, there is absolutely NO indication that your decisions have mattered as you are railroaded down the same path for roughly the same thing to happen each time.

I'd be fine with a "sunshine and rainbow ending" if that is how my game played out. I'd also like a "stalemate" ending where the combined fleets and crucible force the reapers to retreat and regroup, leaving the galaxy still at war but with hope. I'd also like to see a total butt kicking by the reapers, as well as an ending that shows a great battle but the races forced to flee and end up like the Quarian fleet, wandering like nomads to survive.

Anything that gives us more than the "choose your colour.. oh and btw you are on a timer.. so get on with it" ending.

[Lunar Savage]

musicaleCA wrote...

Lunar Savage wrote...

Actually, on the matter of happy vs. unhappy ending. It's not unreasonable to expect that both types of endings be obtainable in a game where your choices are supposed to matter. We were promised a wide variety of endings. And that wasn't delivered. Including the possibility of a happy ending, well...there's nothing wrong with that.

Fixed. Otherwise, +1 internetz

Good point. Fixed in my original post too.

[xOperator]

voted also... i want shep to live and the mass relays to stay intact

[tetrisblock4x1]

Blarty wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

So, a poll has finally been made that answers the questions about what fans are really looking for in their ending DLC, an important topic if bioware is going to get ti right.

Its started by this guy's thread here http://social.biowar.../index/10133310 But since most of you here can't acess that part of the forum I'm giving you guys the link to the polls here.

http://social.biowar...=dd&search=&p=2

Remeber, you have to press the previous tag to go forward in the thread.

This is the part where I talk about the results, so don't read it if you want to find out for yourself.

So remeber how when we first came out for the endings, people called us spoiled and whinners, and claimed that we only complained because it wasn't exactly what the fans wanted, and how people who wanted to change the endings only wanted a super happy unicorn and cupcakes ending with sugar and sunshine for all.

What a bunch of elitist pricks, what a bunch of goons for the big bad corporation that is EA, what a bunch of out of touch jerks who don't know the first thing about us. I mean, no one here has ever wanted a perfect happy ending with sprikles on top, we just wanted an ending that didn't ruin the cannon or universe of mass effect. All we ever wanted was a chance to have more options, to to find out the answers to more questions, right?

Wrong...Those elitest, out of touch, disconnected-from-the-fanbase bashers hit the nail dead on the head.

What the hell are you talking about? Did you even look at your own polls or what you wrote? You have all the evidence you need not only in these unofficial polls that took only a few thousand (compared to the tens of thousands of other polls) people into account but you somehow come to the opposite conclusion of all the polls, including these?

Fail thread is fail.

This poll took only a few thousand, compared to the tens of thousands taken in other polls, compared to the millions of units shipped and sold, all whilst you have the temerity to say that the number of units sold is irrelevant compared to the 'tens of thousands polls' of actual fans.

The polls themselves aren't asking the same questions - the one that the OP is referring to is talking about much more specific outcomes than the 'derp ending sucks' poll that has tens of thousands of votes on it.

I should start a poll 'Torch or Pitchfork - which one to hold when marching on Bioware's gates?'

They were completely different polls. The first one was a poll asking if people liked the ending, and the one you're talking about it much less specific. The question of "do you want the hero to have a happy ending" is much more general, and does not exist within a vacuum of this one ME game. The fact that only a few thousand people voted doesn't really amtter when you look at the bigger picture, because the fact that people love happy endings to stories similar to that of ME3 is proven through classics like Starwars and LotR.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 20 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[Coreniro]

it makes it clear: you want the easy path. You can only stand the sunshine, and clearly you don't study history. And you are the reason why games are so stupid nowadays.
or... wait: it makes one more thing clear: it doesn't represent anything at all. almost 2 millions copy sold, 3 or 4 millions of players, if you count those who downloaded it in some magic ways. Not everyone will share their opinion (I wonder why, since you've been so open to civil discussion so far!), and I'm sure, those who like the endings are more than "the 1%". You know, sometimes you sound and act and even look like the teabaggers!

Errata Corrige: Liking the endings doesn't mean that they accept them as they are, no matter what they don't tell. Obviously there's something more to say about the end that hasn't been told yet, not only abuot the end of the game.

Modifié par Coreniro, 20 mars 2012 - 09:30 .

[DaewaNya]

Happy ending as one of the endings not just a happy ending. I don't see what's wrong with that. I like having the possibility among the others.

Modifié par DaewaNya, 20 mars 2012 - 09:33 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

Coreniro wrote...

it makes it clear: you want the easy path. You can only stand the sunshine, and clearly you don't study history. And you are the reason why games are so stupid nowadays.
or... wait: it makes one more thing clear: it doesn't represent anything at all. almost 2 millions copy sold, 3 or 4 millions of players, if you count those who downloaded it in some magic ways. Not everyone will share their opinion (I wonder why, since you've been so open to civil discussion so far!), and I'm sure, those who like the endings are more than "the 1%". You know, sometimes you sound and act and even look like the teabaggers!

Errata Corrige: Liking the endings doesn't mean that they accept them as they are, no matter what they don't tell. Obviously there's something more to say about the end that hasn't been told yet, not only abuot the end of the game.

Mass Effect is so generic that it doesn't need a poll. You need only to look at the critical reviews and the opinion polls of every other piece of entertainment that ME resembles and you have a fairly clear picture of what people want or don't want to see in the Mass trilogy...

[Rogue1982]

I think ppl will take enything over the starchild logics that trashed most of ME lore

[Aloren]

So you don't think it's worth supporting a new ending because you don't like the poll results. Too bad... but I think there should be a chance for a happy ending. But it should be difficult. With some casualties (depending on the war assets of different races, eg if you have less than 600 points of krogan war assets, Grunt and Wrex die, etc), but still, it should be possible.

After all, the whole crew could survive a suicide mission in ME2...

[Ajx-]

@ op.
I read your post and knew about the poll you were talking about before even getting through your post. I even voted in it. The fact you should be taking away from the poll is that 98% of the pollers found the ending lacking. Only 2% said leave the ending alone and just explain the plot holes. 98%.


Nintey-freaking-eight percent.

So what if 52%

[Ajx-]

Sorry for double post. Can't edit with iOS browser.

So what if 52% of users want a happy ending. In all honesty it should have been a possibility.

[Scarletyoshi]

I don't see why the reaper's motivations are so hard to understand. They harvest advanced species that are
on the verge of creating synthetic life forms that would endanger the survival of ALL organic life FOREVER. There is logic in there, even if it's not perfect or acceptable from our perspective.

Of course we could argue that they're wrong, that the Geth and EDI are examples of AI that want to coexist with organics, but just because we don't like their motivation doesn't make it a case of bad writing. After all, just as no two forms of organic life are the same, you can't really claim that all synthetic life forms would be as altruistic as
Legion and EDI. And the synthetics wouldn't necessarily have to be "evil" to put in motion the scenario the reapers described. After all, weren't there examples of the geth stripping various planets they came across of all resources far in excess of what an organic race could accomplish? Eventually their need for resources will clash with that of organics. If a conflict like that occurred, who would win? My bet is on the synthetics.

Just look at the Protheans and imagine how they would have expanded their empire if the Reapers hadn't interrupted them. Then imagine the Protheans weren't organics, but a race of synthetics that are superior in almost every way, that aren't limited by anything like the need to eat, or sleep, illness, or even mortality. Given enough time, I could see the Reapers worst case scenario coming true.

What the civilization that created the Reapers wanted to do is prevent such a scenario from ever occurring, while still allowing those organic life forms that haven't yet reached the point of no return to have a chance. This way, there will always be organic life. Not an easy or ideal choice, but it kind of reminds me of the "alien" attack in Watchmen.  That attack resulted in a horrific sacrifice, but it was one that would (theoretically) save the lives of
so many more later down the line. 

Modifié par Scarletyoshi, 20 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[Saodade]

Nicodemus wrote...

@OP

So, the polls indicate folks want a happy ending. So what? You shouldn't be upset about this, you should embrace it.

The whole thing about the current endings is that apart from being bad, we are screwed with limited choices. We were PROMISED multiple endings with all our actions taken into account. What we got was nothing remotely like that.

If fans want a "sunshine and rainbows ending" let them have that option, but you also have to give them the "you're screwed" ending too.

If you play the default game with the default decisions in ME2 you see exactly why folks are not happy. Sure if Bioware want to make a story canon in that way then so be it, but I, as the player, don't play my game in that way. THIS is why there needs to be more than the 3 choices we have now. The canon story is THEIR vision of what they wanted to tell, but when you make a story that is subject to the decisions of the player, you have to cater for the player's decisions in the final act. This is why the ending fails so badly, there is absolutely NO indication that your decisions have mattered as you are railroaded down the same path for roughly the same thing to happen each time.

I'd be fine with a "sunshine and rainbow ending" if that is how my game played out. I'd also like a "stalemate" ending where the combined fleets and crucible force the reapers to retreat and regroup, leaving the galaxy still at war but with hope. I'd also like to see a total butt kicking by the reapers, as well as an ending that shows a great battle but the races forced to flee and end up like the Quarian fleet, wandering like nomads to survive.

Anything that gives us more than the "choose your colour.. oh and btw you are on a timer.. so get on with it" ending.

Exactly.  If you want a stucked  ending  just do a cartoon. If you make an interactive game in wich the player choices  influe on the  final result like you did for the two other opus,  you might   give a "shepard is awesome" end option. Only one more  choice added to the others already there if it  may help and cost less .

[Ajx-]

@ scarlet

Ehhh the ending of Watchmen was a metaphor for the cold war. About how humans would destroy themselves if not presented with greater wall to hurdle. Not really comparable IMHO. No offense.

[FERMi27]

BSN is indeed composed 52% of juveniles, maybe more. The "mega happy ending" for a game, where the dramatic atmosphere prevails up to the very end, would be drastically worse than what we have atm. I can see now why noone takes you guys seriously.

[Saodade]

Scarletyoshi wrote...

...
What the civilization that created the Reapers wanted to do is prevent such a scenario from ever occurring, while still allowing those organic life forms that haven't yet reached the point of no return to have a chance. This way, there will always be organic life. Not an easy or ideal choice, but it kind of reminds me of the "alien" attack in Watchmen.  That attack resulted in a horrific sacrifice, but it was one that would (theoretically) save the lives of
so many more later down the line. 

I remember  meeting an alien animal  herd on some planet that I forgot the name (in Mass effect first) and  you could select it and   it was  indicate: speak. Wich I tried of course but they didn't answered (lol). I just can imagine what  they could be if reaching civilisation point...walking goats meeting a human survivor with actual  myths  in mind: OMG I saw a devil!  or OMG I saw  Pan! kill the  mob,  war   start  the last remnant of humanity die. Since everyone think only of  nasty endings...

[Sal86]

Who said a civilization created the reapers? Wer're all free to speculate, it's all we can do after all. The thing is they don't harvest advanced species that are on the verge of creating ai that would destroy them, they show every 50k years, which is completely arbitrary. there' no way it takes them amount of time for all civs to get to the same level of technological advancement. I'm fine with plenty things about them being a mystery but for me I feel that the facts given and the facts *not* given are the wrong way around.

[MDT1]

@OP
Did you actually play ME3?
Billions dead, Homeworlds and countless colonies in ruins, valuable Characters dead and all this before you arrive Earth.
The ending would have been bittersweet in any case, even if everything goes pony the moment you arrive at Earth.

Edit: Also istn't it possible to get a happy ending even now if you just don't care about the Geth?

Modifié par MDT1, 20 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[Timstuff]

This is a good set of polls-- it's specific enough about what kinds of things we might like to see in there, and at the same time it's not so specific that it's like we're asking Bioware to put fanfiction into the game. I think this is a really good way to get an idea of what the fandom consensus is for what kind of stuff we'd like to see in the DLC expansion(s)-- in some cases, I'm almost surprised at just how unanimous the opinions are! (and I mean that in a good way) Hopefully this info will be helpful to the developers, if it gets passed along to them.

[Ajx-]

@FERMi

I don't think it is very nice to call them juvenile. Name calling isn't a good way to get your point acrosss. Wether it be a happy ending or not, 98% of voters wanted more from the ending. That is fact.

[Prism]

I'd prefer a megahappy to a plot-hole-ridden nonsensical ending. What is so wrong with the possibility of ONE of the endings (a hard earned one) being happy? People want the possibility of getting one, not for it to be the only one.
On the other hand, there are limited options in the poll. One will choose that which is the closest to what he wants, but it doesn't mean he wants that specific ending.
No matter how you look at it, people want MORE from the ending. You can't blame them for that.

Modifié par Prismvg, 20 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[Kidd]

Miekkas, your post is gold. It shows why happy unicorn ending isn't actually a happy unicorn ending.

Voted myself, mostly just focusing on "remove the freaking Starchild." =)

[lovedeluxe]

Sadly this is all dlc - You get to purchase your ending.


How about a narrowing the poll further and a free ending fix.

THEN dic that spools off of polled endings.
I'd like endings that narrow in further, and an option for a second play through (with enhanced abilities like in ME2) on 2nd play through.

I'm not paying a dime for a new ending, but would pay for dlc that is similar to what was expected in in the previous games.  A  couple new characters and "funpack" stuff.

a ****d mode (two team mates) or a squad should remain, but not be the focus- that's a cop out to those of us that don't like playing with 90 percent of the dummies out there.  (BTW- I might be one of those dummies) and don't want the pressure of squad/group play.  I liked my solo game vs. the computer, and prefer to keep it that way.


Most of the art is already written, an ending change is not that hard..  Bioware has made well over 500 million off of this game alone, if only 50 thousand replies reported they didn't like the ending.  My guess is this is a billion dollar bioware profit and certianly if counting the previous games.

Modifié par lovedeluxe, 20 mars 2012 - 10:10 .

[FERMi27]

Ajx- wrote...

@FERMi

I don't think it is very nice to call them juvenile. Name calling isn't a good way to get your point acrosss. Wether it be a happy ending or not, 98% of voters wanted more from the ending. That is fact.

Expecting everything to go and end in pink colors with sunshine, rainbows and unicorns is a typical childish trait. If a grown adult expects a war of that scale to end on a happy note, he is most likely an extremely infantile person.

Choose which accomodates you more.

Modifié par FERMi27, 20 mars 2012 - 10:14 .