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[nupfi]

Voted!

[Saodade]

Modifié par Saodade, 20 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[vometia]

xsdob wrote...

It's the fact that this poll shows that the vast majority really does want a "dunshine and rainnbows" ending, that one of the biggest insults to the movement to have another ending is correct, with proof of such, that has really stuck hard.

I like happy endings.  Sorry if that offends you so much, but that's too bad.

[Saodade]

vometia wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It's the fact that this poll shows that the vast majority really does want a "dunshine and rainnbows" ending, that one of the biggest insults to the movement to have another ending is correct, with proof of such, that has really stuck hard.

I like happy endings.  Sorry if that offends you so much, but that's too bad.

I agree with you, surviving  with crew and LI is  good. 
Why  good ending should be more bad than screwed  end ? Everyone  should be satisfied  after the game.
It was the case for the two other  games before this one. or no one would have run in pre order  and  camping  shops on release day.

Modifié par Saodade, 20 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[Getorex]

vometia wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It's the fact that this poll shows that the vast majority really does want a "dunshine and rainnbows" ending, that one of the biggest insults to the movement to have another ending is correct, with proof of such, that has really stuck hard.

I like happy endings.  Sorry if that offends you so much, but that's too bad.

Damn straight.  In any case, objective reality, objective FACT clearly demonstrates that a happy ending is 100% in tune with the entire series and that a 100% bleak ending is OUT of tune with the game. 

Answer me this:  was the ending of ME1 happy or bleak?  How about this:  Was the ending to ME2 happy or bleak? 

Answer to the first question was: EVERYONE SURVIVED except Ash or Kaiden back on Virmire.  The ENDING saw EVERYONE survive, including Shep.  End of Mass Effect 2 had the full range of endings.  ALL could die, including Shepard, several or one could die with Shep surviving.  or ALL could survive...happy ending.  Objective fact clearly demonstrates that a bad-only ending is what is actually out of sync with the game.  ME 3 ends well out of sync with the series.  That is fact.

[eltelw]

what timstuff said makes sense to me ,bioware as a company are up until now been rightly supported by true fans of their product ME ,we have invested time and emotion and to no small extent money in the company, and all we asked was that all the choices we made in the game meant something at the end as they said it would ,we did not get what was written on the tin so to speak,the last iconic brand that tried to change without their public was coke and they by PUBLIC demand went back to the original formula ,bioware have lost alot of peoples trust and as for future titles this could cost them a lot of peoples cash, as I for one will think are they going to ignore my expectations as a loyal customer again as lets be honest they have this time,easy create a alternative DLC ending if people like me want to buy and I would , if you are happy with the end you will not,but ignore customers at your bank balances peril .

[Niveneh]

Obviously, this will contain some spoilers.

My first reaction when reading that poll was 'uh... .'. None of it addresses my concerns.

I want to know what happened, and I want it to make sense. That's all. I don't need to know everything happening the next 100 years, but at least SOMETHING, and if it was consistent with the rest of the story, that would be nice. As in, necessary.

For instance: Joker and Garrus surviving on some far-off uninhabited world. Grreat. One can't eat anything there - or both, but at least one of them will die off of hunger or the biochemical equivalent of eating ground glass - and one has a condition requiring modern medicine. Cheers, guys! You're the sweet part of the bittersweet ending. Just so you know. If you couldn't tell. (Protip: The grandpa and kid neither had brittle bones nor turian features, so odds are, both died rather painfully.).

The reapers destroyed - I guess most went with the destroy reapers option, given that the other options are exact examples of what the rest of the game has said is a bad idea. (Control or enslave reapers? Yeah, that worked well for TIM, Saren, etc. Uplifting worked so well to improve on the Krogen and Collectors, too.). Mass Relays destroyed along with the Citadel. This makes some sense - they were traps to guide civilization in certain directions (even if we have similar ones without that same guidance).

That doesn't need to be the end of galactic civilization, although it would be put on hold for a while (months, years, but not decades or centuries) - the crucible scientists were the best and brightest of the entire galaxy, and with great resources, gathered into one group. Mass Relay technology isn't that far off - experiments with them are mentioned several times - and such a team could crack the rest soon enough, so they could make their own, or some other system.(Obviously other FTL options can exist.). Or they all died on the crucible when things blew up. Hard to tell.

So... things CAN survive, or get back on their feet in a short enough amount of time, or they may not. We don't know. All we know is that some grandpa got a kid, and he knew about Shepard. That bit, we could kinda guess might happen. That is probably the least illuminating ending it is possible to make.

For all the talk of actions and consequence, unknown consequences doesn't count. Not in this perspective. That's what gnaws at me with this ending. Star Child thingy... it's a poor deus ex machina in style with the annoying ending in Deus Ex: Human Revolution; that was almost a pure action game so it's understandable, but in Mass Effect? It feels wrong and out of place. Wether it's removed or changed or bypassed is less relevant for me.

I would not have minded a big 'storming of the citadel' with the team ++, but they DID do that in ME2 (And the storming of the blue beam thingy), so in a way I can agree with not doing that again.

ME3 is brilliant, but the lack of feedback or .. ANYTHING, really, in the end - there's little sense of accomplishment in destroying the reapers when it destroys galactic civilization as we know it too - that was the reapers objective. And it is very easy to feel cheated when you go through 100+ hours of play and then... *plop*.

Knowing it doesn't get better (Not 'happier' - better) kills any desire to play ME3 again, as well as any DLC. Up until the 3 choices bit I wanted to see how other plays could work out, but at that point, I went... 'what? Choose among 3 bad endings, kthxbye?'. **** this! I could get all the difference I *could* get from the same end save, it looked like.

And no, none of this was covered by the poll; I am not telling Bioware how to make the ending. Make it as they see fit, but, for crying out loud, not suck.

Modifié par Niveneh, 20 mars 2012 - 01:21 .

[Terminus Echoes]

Getorex wrote...

vometia wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It's the fact that this poll shows that the vast majority really does want a "dunshine and rainnbows" ending, that one of the biggest insults to the movement to have another ending is correct, with proof of such, that has really stuck hard.

I like happy endings.  Sorry if that offends you so much, but that's too bad.

Damn straight.  In any case, objective reality, objective FACT clearly demonstrates that a happy ending is 100% in tune with the entire series and that a 100% bleak ending is OUT of tune with the game. 

Answer me this:  was the ending of ME1 happy or bleak?  How about this:  Was the ending to ME2 happy or bleak? 

Answer to the first question was: EVERYONE SURVIVED except Ash or Kaiden back on Virmire.  The ENDING saw EVERYONE survive, including Shep.  End of Mass Effect 2 had the full range of endings.  ALL could die, including Shepard, several or one could die with Shep surviving.  or ALL could survive...happy ending.  Objective fact clearly demonstrates that a bad-only ending is what is actually out of sync with the game.  ME 3 ends well out of sync with the series.  That is fact.

This.

[Getorex]

Amazon.com will refund your money if you return Mass Effect 3. If, like me, you got your copy from Origin/EA Games,. they will allow you to exchange it for any other title they have available of equal value. DO THIS PEOPLE. Hudson can and will ignore your opinions and complaints and polls in the forums (he is too full of himself to care). He will NOT be able to brush off or ignore loss of revenue.

DO IT. You can always re-purchase Mass Effect 3 later...AFTER the ending has been corrected with the added benefit that it will likely cost less then. I exchanged Mass Effect 3 for a NON-Bioware title. I will be happy to re-purchase ME3 later, for perhaps $20, when and if the ending is fixed.

[Saodade]

Coreniro wrote...

.....
I accept any kind of reaction, even a lack of one. What i don't accept, what makes me hate humanity is people who wants you to change a creative work because it's not like they imagined! It's my ****, you don't have any rights to tell me to change something I made, just because you gave me money for that piece of crap.
and if you want money back, no problem! Just leave me out of your misery. Someone could call it arrogance. It is!
Oh, stop considering polls the ultimate truth. They can't indicate ****! 

I'm ok with you on the point that You create something and allow someone to see it. Like it or not  you just want  it to create a reaction to it. OK. And you are ok   that people might like it or  not like it at all.Imagine yuo created something big   that need ot be shipped to the person who  loved it enough to buy it. But you not ship them the  stuff they have choosen , you send them something different. Maybe  an  even as great art piece but it wasn't what they  have  choosen.  You  can understand they won't  jump in joy at reception. Specialy if  when they complain they  see  door closed  at their nose with a  "deal with it".
And if my sentences  seem  some dry or poorly  done  I'm sorry I 'm not that great in  english. But I work on it.
Also I'm sad  that you hate  humanity as you say...

[harrier25699]

Getorex wrote...

Amazon.com will refund your money if you return Mass Effect 3. If, like me, you got your copy from Origin/EA Games,. they will allow you to exchange it for any other title they have available of equal value. DO THIS PEOPLE. Hudson can and will ignore your opinions and complaints and polls in the forums (he is too full of himself to care). He will NOT be able to brush off or ignore loss of revenue.

DO IT. You can always re-purchase Mass Effect 3 later...AFTER the ending has been corrected with the added benefit that it will likely cost less then. I exchanged Mass Effect 3 for a NON-Bioware title. I will be happy to re-purchase ME3 later, for perhaps $20, when and if the ending is fixed.

While I agree with the thoughtful manner in which you and the others have posted their views (identical to mine btw)  I cannot say I agree to asking for a refund.  The ending sucks (even Hitler agrees), but the other 95% of the game is superb and for that BW have my continued support.  

[Siegdrifa]

Miekkas wrote...


Why do "bashers" continue to think that by players asking for a "happy ending", they are asking for something out of a Disney movie? Consider the following:

1. Billions are dead by the end of the game regardless of Shepard's actions because the Reapers.
2. Earth, Palaven, and Thessia have all been essentially burned to the ground.
3. You have lost several current or former team members by the end of the game, regardless of your actions.
4. There are numerous hints that Shepard is suffering severe emotional and mental stress to the point of PTSD such the dream sequences, and Joker mentioning that EDI has detected Shepard's stress levels are higher than when he/she fought during the Skylian Blitz. Characters like Garrus, Joker, Ashley, Kaiden, and other characters all mention they don't know what has happened to their families. Liara's entire life spent studying the Protheans is completely uprooted by the appearance of Javik and discovery of Thessia. She feels like her entire life in the study has been wasted.

Regardless if the Reapers are destroyed, the relays are left intact, and Shepard lives to reunite with his surviving team, the end is at BEST bittersweet. Shepard and the entire Galaxy has suffered and sacrificed a lot to defeat the Reapers, and now they have to live each day while rebuilding what little they have left with the knowledge of EVERYTHING they have lost. There is no victory is war. There is only those who are left to pick up the pieces and bury the dead. Bashers cheapen the impact of the points I have made like they do not matter, but they do very much so. Talk to soldiers how they feel about coming home alive with friends who have died overseas and get back to me about the "whiny happy ending" nonsense because it is darn insulting to me. Happy endings are not always rainbows and bunnies. Sometimes they are just about living to see another day to honor those who we have lost and living with what has been lost for the rest of our lives. There is strength and meaning to be found in a man or woman who lives to see another day after losing so much and walks away with the determination to become a better person, to appreciate everything they still have whether that be friends or lovers or simply being alive. We should not cheapen the sacrifices of the lost by saying a soldier must die in having any deep meaning.

SPOILERS

Totaly agree.

Happy ending is totaly relative to the scale of what has been done already.

I didn't vote for the "happy ending" because i can't imagine for 1 milli second they could celebrate just after defeating the reapers.

But if Shep survive, and is reunited with his crew, it's among the ruines of the galaxy and the scare it will carry for hundreds of years to come ... this would be the " MOST happy ending " possiible.
The heavy loss are already here, countless deth and worlds destroyed, it's not the time for party or celebration, that would be totaly insane and non respectable for those who died.

And IF Shep could be reunited with her / his LI... no need to kiss "Hey shep ! awsome ! here is your reward kiss !" NOPE ! no need for sunshine.
They don't have to look at each other, they could stand together, watch all the ruines, each their side, and Shep's LI randomly move her hand, searching for Shepard hand, and hold this hand tight for recomfort .
This could be a moving scene without rainbow and sunshine.

[-PG-Skyre]

vometia wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It's the fact that this poll shows that the vast majority really does want a "dunshine and rainnbows" ending, that one of the biggest insults to the movement to have another ending is correct, with proof of such, that has really stuck hard.

I like happy endings.  Sorry if that offends you so much, but that's too bad.

Happy endings, Bad endings...both are choices. Choices are what makes ME what it is...and Choice is (and always has been) a major selling point for BW when it comes to ME...After all, thats why we get to import saves. So if the game is about choice, then logically, the only option is to have endings to appease both audiences.

Not saying either is better than the other, but fairs fair. If the fact that our decisions effect everything else in the game, the ending should be the same. We should be able to decide ourselves.

*An example of this is to make it so it is really hard to get a "as happy as can be" end, but roll the current endings into 2 "bad" endings. 1 where everyone dies to the reapers, the 2nd would be pretty much as is (a case of the reapers being destroyed but a lot of damage being the cost of it).

**Also, I like happy endings too. Whats the point of LIs if there is no possibility for a "happy ever after" for them.

[Iakus]

Miekkas wrote...

Why do "bashers" continue to think that by players asking for a "happy ending", they are asking for something out of a Disney movie? Consider the following:

1. Billions are dead by the end of the game regardless of Shepard's actions because the Reapers.
2. Earth, Palaven, and Thessia have all been essentially burned to the ground.
3. You have lost several current or former team members by the end of the game, regardless of your actions.
4. There are numerous hints that Shepard is suffering severe emotional and mental stress to the point of PTSD such the dream sequences, and Joker mentioning that EDI has detected Shepard's stress levels are higher than when he/she fought during the Skylian Blitz. Characters like Garrus, Joker, Ashley, Kaiden, and other characters all mention they don't know what has happened to their families. Liara's entire life spent studying the Protheans is completely uprooted by the appearance of Javik and discovery of Thessia. She feels like her entire life in the study has been wasted.

Regardless if the Reapers are destroyed, the relays are left intact, and Shepard lives to reunite with his surviving team, the end is at BEST bittersweet. Shepard and the entire Galaxy has suffered and sacrificed a lot to defeat the Reapers, and now they have to live each day while rebuilding what little they have left with the knowledge of EVERYTHING they have lost. There is no victory is war. There is only those who are left to pick up the pieces and bury the dead. Bashers cheapen the impact of the points I have made like they do not matter, but they do very much so. Talk to soldiers how they feel about coming home alive with friends who have died overseas and get back to me about the "whiny happy ending" nonsense because it is darn insulting to me. Happy endings are not always rainbows and bunnies. Sometimes they are just about living to see another day to honor those who we have lost and living with what has been lost for the rest of our lives. There is strength and meaning to be found in a man or woman who lives to see another day after losing so much and walks away with the determination to become a better person, to appreciate everything they still have whether that be friends or lovers or simply being alive. We should not cheapen the sacrifices of the lost by saying a soldier must die in having any deep meaning.

SPOILERS

Indeed.

Even if the endgame consisted only of Shepard walking up and pushing the "I WIN" button, the ending would be bittersweet for the very reasons listed above.  "Unicorns and rainbows" was never going to be an option.

If people want the option for Shepard to live, I suspect it's because, after everything Shep has been through over the last thre games, to find some peace.  And not the peace of the grave.  Been there, done that already.

[Getorex]

You want bittersweet ending? There are a GAZILLION ways to do that such that you don't kill Shepard and the galactic civilization as happens in the BEST version of the SAME ENDING. How about this? Shepard lives but everyone else dies. There you go, bittersweet and devastating. This works particularly if your Shepard is a "sole survivor". There he is again, at the end of ME3 the sole survivor with everyone he knew and loved dead. Do I want this ending myself? No. But it could have been AN ending. You could kill Joker. Yep, kill Joker. Just as EDI learns what it feels like to be alive, what it feels like to be human, POW, give her a gut punch and kill her man. There's tears for you! You can mix and match the death circus. You could kill half the crew in different combinations. You could have them ALL survive (or maybe the best you can get is everyone but one key player) for the good ending. You get the gamut of endings LIKE YOU DID IN ME2! ME 1 had a 100% happy ending (with a sad pre-ending with the death on Virmire. ME 2 had the all dead ending, the some dead ending, and the all survive ending. Thus, good endings are 100% compatible and in line with the story since day one. Ta-da. Facts in your face.

[Super.Sid]

There is enough of bad things in the world, video games are a means to get away from those things for a while and immerse in enjoyment so what is wrong with wanting a happy ending if it wants to give happiness to someone

[harrier25699]

Here is a fan made collection of different endings that shows us the scope of what could have been done.  Look in the description for the alternatives. <3

[SmellyMetal]

"and now they have to live each day while rebuilding what little they have left "


--->
NO they are all dead.

It is explained pretty good mass relays explode together with their respective solar systems.

[Flash Aron]

HHmm ... after filling out he polls ... I would like the result
(I myself had the red ending, where the reapers have been destroyed and sheppard took a "breath")

For me it would be fun to continue that way:

1.) Normandy is still at earth and Sheppard will be picked up.
2.) Citadel hasn't been destroyed in that action and all Mass Relays are only out of order
3.) The reapers aren't controlled any more, most of them died when the Mass Relays shut down, but some survived but now they fight for their own survival.
4.) The only Mass Relay is now the Citadel and Sheppard and his "Army" has to take back any solar system with the citadel.
5.) So first you have to clean the citadel and after that Earth
6.) Repair the citadel and jump to other solar systems to free the other races and repair the Mass Relays with the Citadel ...
7.) So you need the resources to do that and lot of Diplomacy which system to free.

So all your decisions, which you have done in ME 1+2+3 help in that to "free" the Universe ..
lot of DLC for Bioware ... even a strategy game could be implemented and so on.

Will never happen
and after over 14 days with ME 3 and the worse ending, everything is better than how it is now ...
but somehow I start not to care about it anymore. But still ...

HOLD THE LINE

Modifié par Flash Aron, 20 mars 2012 - 01:46 .

[Iehoa0083]

Another question is rather this DLC would be free or price. I mean, there's no free lunch in this world, but obviously, Bioware messed up this time and I don't think it is unreasonable to expect this DLC to be free. And to be honest, I will no deal with Bioware anymore or purchase anything from them if they charge us for this. I know, this is just me, one person and probably don't mean crap to them even if I don't buy their products, but I just feel like I have to take stand somewhere. That's all.

[grimkillah]

I want an ending where my Renegade Shepard kills the starchild brutally, controls the reaper to his own end, lives, make mad love to Ashley in the council hall, then invade the galaxy with my new reaper fleet. All my alien teammates abandoned me, join forces, and try to take humanity/me down, which is the story of ME4. but the poll doesn't have this choice =(

[LeBurns]

 Honestly the first question of the poll stopped me:  "It is important that the DLC allows the player to prevent the "Normandy Crash Scene" from happening..."

I just want to know what the heck it was doing out there to begin with.  I mean if there is a reason for it fine, but TELL ME WHAT IT IS!  Just showing us something that is totally out there like that makes no sense.  They could have shown a scene of Joker scubba diving in the Virgin Islands and it would have made as much sense.

Modifié par LeBurns, 20 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[Getorex]

SmellyMetal wrote...

"and now they have to live each day while rebuilding what little they have left "


--->
NO they are all dead.

It is explained pretty good mass relays explode together with their respective solar systems.

I've gone over this before in other threads but it bears repeating:  As you say, the relays explode.  Death for the system.  ME2 sets this outcome as coda.  Blow up a Mass Relay and it is like a min-supernova.  Now, pan back like they do at the end of ME3 and what do they show you?  Relay after relay in the galaxy exploding in a flash of light.  Know what does that in reality?  Know what produces such clear and bright flashes of light in the starry background?  Supernovae.  Know what the problem is with supernovae?  They don't just wreck the system they are in but they are literally dangerous to surrounding systems if they have life in them.  If a supernovae went off too close to our system (we're talking a few hundred lightyears) it could sterilize earth.  So, the detonating relays is THE end for those systems they reside in AT BEST. 

Next point.  The crew of the Normandy is about 25 or so.  Perhaps a 50:50 mix of men and women.  In the case of ME3, that includes ONE Quarian female, ONE Turian male, and ONE Asari.  Rule of thumb in population genetics and dynamics and ecology is you need around 100 mating pairs MINIMUM to sustain a population with enough genetic diversity to survive long-term.  If ANY species gets down below this, they are pretty much f*cked.  Their genetic diversity will plummet and they will end up extinct.  We have AT BEST a dozen possible mating pairs.  Even if you play sex games wth the survivors and do musical mating, you do NOT have anywhere near enough people to create a new society.  The Normandy survivors of the crash in the BEST ending are going to die.  Lonely and alone without rebuilding anything.  Their future, like most of the rest of the galaxy in the game, is death.  Happy days folks.  And happy endings.

[Dominator24]

iakus wrote...

Miekkas wrote...

Why do "bashers" continue to think that by players asking for a "happy ending", they are asking for something out of a Disney movie? Consider the following:

1. Billions are dead by the end of the game regardless of Shepard's actions because the Reapers.
2. Earth, Palaven, and Thessia have all been essentially burned to the ground.
3. You have lost several current or former team members by the end of the game, regardless of your actions.
4. There are numerous hints that Shepard is suffering severe emotional and mental stress to the point of PTSD such the dream sequences, and Joker mentioning that EDI has detected Shepard's stress levels are higher than when he/she fought during the Skylian Blitz. Characters like Garrus, Joker, Ashley, Kaiden, and other characters all mention they don't know what has happened to their families. Liara's entire life spent studying the Protheans is completely uprooted by the appearance of Javik and discovery of Thessia. She feels like her entire life in the study has been wasted.

Regardless if the Reapers are destroyed, the relays are left intact, and Shepard lives to reunite with his surviving team, the end is at BEST bittersweet. Shepard and the entire Galaxy has suffered and sacrificed a lot to defeat the Reapers, and now they have to live each day while rebuilding what little they have left with the knowledge of EVERYTHING they have lost. There is no victory is war. There is only those who are left to pick up the pieces and bury the dead. Bashers cheapen the impact of the points I have made like they do not matter, but they do very much so. Talk to soldiers how they feel about coming home alive with friends who have died overseas and get back to me about the "whiny happy ending" nonsense because it is darn insulting to me. Happy endings are not always rainbows and bunnies. Sometimes they are just about living to see another day to honor those who we have lost and living with what has been lost for the rest of our lives. There is strength and meaning to be found in a man or woman who lives to see another day after losing so much and walks away with the determination to become a better person, to appreciate everything they still have whether that be friends or lovers or simply being alive. We should not cheapen the sacrifices of the lost by saying a soldier must die in having any deep meaning.

SPOILERS

Indeed.

Even if the endgame consisted only of Shepard walking up and pushing the "I WIN" button, the ending would be bittersweet for the very reasons listed above.  "Unicorns and rainbows" was never going to be an option.

If people want the option for Shepard to live, I suspect it's because, after everything Shep has been through over the last thre games, to find some peace.  And not the peace of the grave.  Been there, done that already.

+1
I had enough of "bitter" with all galaxy at war and all the deaths in billions that I could do nothing to prevent.

[Remus A]

Niveneh wrote...
I want to know what happened, and I want it to make sense. That's all. I don't need to know everything happening the next 100 years, but at least SOMETHING, and if it was consistent with the rest of the story, that would be nice. As in, necessary.

^