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[KotorEffect3]

jb1983 wrote...

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

1337Goblin wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

People don't deserve refunds

People 'deserve' what they're entitled to. Whether or not the game before the ending was great.

I thought those who hated these endings weren't supposed to be entitled whiners. Are you now saying that you actually are entitled, but not whining?

Yes, we're entitled to it. We bought the ******* product, we're ******* entitled to what we want out of it. 

That's how a business works. 

Just don't cry about it when you get accused of having entitlement issues.

[oh_saki]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

High Kicks wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

And we didn't deserve a crappy product either.

Except the product wasn't crap.

Man...we've playing this game for like 5 years. I don't like the fact that my response was "what the hell' after watching the end. I shouldn't have any questions at all or feel confused.

I've been playing this series just about as long as anyone and if you pay attention to what is going on in ME 3 there is alot of resolution to different arcs throughout the game.

But no resolution to the events of ME3 itself, and the events of all the previous games become completely irrelevant in light of the literal god in the machine.

The Krogan still got a new start on Tuchanka with the genophage cured,  The Quarians are breathing fresh air on Rannoch,  and in a good way the Salarians can't screw with any pre space flight species.

Except for how they all go kerblooey when the relays blow up.

[Turtlicious]

detroitmechworks wrote...

Origin? The bar has been set.

Will you have the integrity to...
*Snicker*... BWAHAHAAHAHA....

I'm sorry, I couldn't finish that challenge without laughing my head offf.

Origin wants to charge us to reload in BF3.

What do you think LOL.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

So, you guys are saying I could return my Collectors Edition back for the full eighty bucks just because I was dissatisfied with the ending. Not that I would consider it.

Hold the line people.

[Wolfsong27]

In hindsight I'm really lucky my pre-order for the CE got cancelled without enough warning for me to get it somewhere else.
Now if only I got the basic version from Amazon.
Though, still holding on to just a glimmer of hope that Bioware fixes this.

[MrLee95]

While I do agree with what Amazon.com is doing. Because of all that was said by BioWare pre-release and how we where NOT going to get a A,B,C ending and many other lies.
I will not be returning my game. I did enjoy it very much, minus the last 10mins.

Fool me once (DA2), Fool me twice (ME3), NOT a 3rd time!!

[GhostlyMaiden]

jb1983 wrote...

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

1337Goblin wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

People don't deserve refunds

People 'deserve' what they're entitled to. Whether or not the game before the ending was great.

I thought those who hated these endings weren't supposed to be entitled whiners. Are you now saying that you actually are entitled, but not whining?

Yes, we're entitled to it. We bought the ******* product, we're ******* entitled to what we want out of it. 

That's how a business works. 

Weird. I could have sworn the more rational members of the movement saying that they are only asking BioWare to change the ending, not demanding it. If the majority rule is that you are entitled and demanding, does that mean every article that has called you such is now correct?

[Kloborgg711]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
The few male Krogan still remaining got a new chance to start repopulating the entire species on Tuchanka with the genophage cured,  The Quarians are will be breathing fresh air on Rannoch in a couple of generations if they're lucky,

Fix'd

[ticklefist]

Looks like I'm entitled to a refund. Uh huh, come at me IGN.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Bioware is so entitled thinking they have a right to keep our money

[RagingCeltik]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

High Kicks wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

And we didn't deserve a crappy product either.

Except the product wasn't crap.

Man...we've playing this game for like 5 years. I don't like the fact that my response was "what the hell' after watching the end. I shouldn't have any questions at all or feel confused.

I've been playing this series just about as long as anyone and if you pay attention to what is going on in ME 3 there is alot of resolution to different arcs throughout the game.

Resolution to the subplots of Mass Effect 3 do not count as ending towards the entire story.   Those resolutions served a purpose to drive the main plot, defeating the Reapers.   Since the story functionally ends once Shepard makes his forced choice, there really isn't any real end to the story.   The stopped at the climax.   No resolution.

[Kloborgg711]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

jb1983 wrote...

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

1337Goblin wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

People don't deserve refunds

People 'deserve' what they're entitled to. Whether or not the game before the ending was great.

I thought those who hated these endings weren't supposed to be entitled whiners. Are you now saying that you actually are entitled, but not whining?

Yes, we're entitled to it. We bought the ******* product, we're ******* entitled to what we want out of it. 

That's how a business works. 

Just don't cry about it when you get accused of having entitlement issues.

There no issue with feeling entitled to something you're entitled to. Just don't cry when we get new endings because 90% of people hated the original.

[Sashimi_taco]

Website isn't working for me.

[Legend78731]

Tyrzun wrote...

Amazon actually has the integrity that Bioware should have had from the beginning.

They saw this said

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”

And see the product delivered didn't contain any of that and realized it was false advertising and it's customers were lied to. You've gained more respect from me than I thought possible Amazon.

You (or someone) should really make a new forum post to catalog all of this. Maybe someone already has, but it's these comments from Casey which are fueling a lot of what's going on here.

[Slayer299]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Um no it wasn't crap, the gameplay was addictively fun (especialy when you start experimenting with different classes)  and the story was pretty good despite the endings.

So say you, it seems that a few people (like myself) disagree about that.

[Turtlicious]

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

1337Goblin wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

People don't deserve refunds

People 'deserve' what they're entitled to. Whether or not the game before the ending was great.

I thought those who hated these endings weren't supposed to be entitled whiners. Are you now saying that you actually are entitled, but not whining?

Entitled: to furnish with proper grounds for seeking or claiming something.

So yes, Amazon entitled us to a refund, so yes, we're entitled in that sense, but really, arguing semantics seems childish.

[Vandicus]

Have you guys seriously considered what this means? EA has been fairly hands off with Bioware because what Bioware has been doing has been working in terms of making money. The interactive story and dialog is an extra expense when it comes to making games that slows development time and production costs. This might very well cause Bioware to be another generic fantasy rpg studio.

Also, KoToREffect3, can I use your sig?

I've been uncomfortable with the review bombing and other tactics that the Retake group has been using, and supporting serious damage to Bioware finally crosses the line.

[Xivai]

Excellent our cause is moving forward.

[oh_saki]

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

jb1983 wrote...

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

1337Goblin wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

People don't deserve refunds

People 'deserve' what they're entitled to. Whether or not the game before the ending was great.

I thought those who hated these endings weren't supposed to be entitled whiners. Are you now saying that you actually are entitled, but not whining?

Yes, we're entitled to it. We bought the ******* product, we're ******* entitled to what we want out of it. 

That's how a business works. 

Weird. I could have sworn the more rational members of the movement saying that they are only asking BioWare to change the ending, not demanding it. If the majority rule is that you are entitled and demanding, does that mean every article that has called you such is now correct?

I broke out my old Business Management textbook from college, and found this: 

Customers are often regarded as the MOST CRITICAL stakeholder group since if a company cannot attract them to buy its products, it cannot stay in business. Thus, managers and employees must work to increase efficiency and effectiveness in order to create loyal customers and attract new ones. They do so by selling customers quality products at a fair price and providing GOOD AFTER-SALES SERVICE. They can also strive to improve their products over time and provide GUARANTEES to customers about the INTEGRITY of their products. (Business Organization and Management, Mcgraw-Hill)

Certainly, with Bioware's history of games, they earned the right to provide guarantees that the ending would be exactly what Casey Hudson said it would be, unique endings dependent on your choices in the games, not a cookie-cutter A, B, C choice. And yet, that's exactly what they provided us, and completely went against what a college textbook explained is a company's most IMPORTANT stakeholder--us. So yes, as a stakeholder, I am entitled. And so are you, and everyone else who purchased this product. What's your point? 

[McBeath]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Just don't cry about it when you get accused of having entitlement issues.

Really???  IF you purchase a product and it doesn't meet your expectations within a reasonable amount of time(like 30days) you have every right to return it for a refund.  Why wouldn't you?  It's the only thing keeping businesses honest.

Holding the Line.  McBeath.

[Peer of the Empire]

I could get a refund.. but I like the MP

[Sashimi_taco]

Vandicus wrote...

Have you guys seriously considered what this means? EA has been fairly hands off with Bioware because what Bioware has been doing has been working in terms of making money. The interactive story and dialog is an extra expense when it comes to making games that slows development time and production costs. This might very well cause Bioware to be another generic fantasy rpg studio.

Also, KoToREffect3, can I use your sig?

I've been uncomfortable with the review bombing and other tactics that the Retake group has been using, and supporting serious damage to Bioware finally crosses the line.

EA is the entire reason bioware has gone down the drain. they ruined dragon age 2 with short development time and they crippled Mass Effect 3's story with a short development time. The game was great with good story until the end. And there are a LOT of bugs in this game that bother me but i was willing to let that slide. You can tell when you play the game that a lot of great ideas were cut short but i was willing to forgive that for great story. Sadly the story was cut short as well. 

[DarkBladeX98]

why would you people sell it back if we are holding the line to have it changed??
If it gets changed and you don't have your copy, joke's on you buddy.

[Storin]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

High Kicks wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

And we didn't deserve a crappy product either.

Except the product wasn't crap.

Man...we've playing this game for like 5 years. I don't like the fact that my response was "what the hell' after watching the end. I shouldn't have any questions at all or feel confused.

I've been playing this series just about as long as anyone and if you pay attention to what is going on in ME 3 there is alot of resolution to different arcs throughout the game.

But no resolution to the events of ME3 itself, and the events of all the previous games become completely irrelevant in light of the literal god in the machine.

The Krogan still got a new start on Tuchanka with the genophage cured,  The Quarians are breathing fresh air on Rannoch,  and in a good way the Salarians can't screw with any pre space flight species.

No they didn't. They're all dead. All of them. They were either killed in the destruction of the mass relays, or they're going to die a slow, horrible death stranded on Earth.

[SuperTeal]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lexagg wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

And we didn't deserve a crappy product either.

Except the product wasn't crap.

Except it was. Gameplay wise, the game is mediocre. Story wise - the ending nullifies the entire story pretty much, so it's a moot.

Um no it wasn't crap, the gameplay was addictively fun (especialy when you start experimenting with different classes)  and the story was pretty good despite the endings.

You're right Kotor - it was fun, I greatly enjoyed it - but that doesn't change the fact that the developers basically lied about the ending - or failed to inform their consumers that the ending was changing drastically from what they had originally promised.  If I had been told that the ending was being changed to an "A - B - C" decision not based on original story from the first two games, I would not have purchased the third.  I very deliberately purchased it with the belief that the ending would be factoring at least some of what I did into a multi-ending scenario.  That didn't take place.

You're not wrong - but as a consumer we have the right to return a product that does not deliver what it was advertised to.  If you don't like this - well it's America - I'm sorry.  We have the right to be treated with respect as consumers because we pay for the products we receive.  You know the saying that "beggers can't be choosers?"  Well - we're not beggers.

Modifié par SuperTeal, 20 mars 2012 - 04:13 .