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[Sirartistic]

I was and still am against the endings in some ways but I recently thought about the ending further and I longer hate it. Here is why. There is CLEAR evidence that Shepard is dreaming or perhaps being tested/indoctrinated.

This question will answer everything. As yourself, why would Shepard need to destroy the conduits to make the Crucible work? Since when does destroying something make something work?!?!?

Or how about space jumping into a beam and falling to your death??? How does that make the Crucible work??? Ask yourself these questions and you will see that it may not be poor writing after all...

[detroitmechworks]

Vandicus wrote...

Have you guys seriously considered what this means? EA has been fairly hands off with Bioware because what Bioware has been doing has been working in terms of making money. The interactive story and dialog is an extra expense when it comes to making games that slows development time and production costs. This might very well cause Bioware to be another generic fantasy rpg studio.

Also, KoToREffect3, can I use your sig?

I've been uncomfortable with the review bombing and other tactics that the Retake group has been using, and supporting serious damage to Bioware finally crosses the line.

Hey look... world's smallest violin playing "my heart bleeds for you"...

There is a market for a well made RPG.  Always has been, always will be.  Bioware can choose to meet that need or rush crap out the door and call it ART.

[Sublyminal]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Have you guys seriously considered what this means? EA has been fairly hands off with Bioware because what Bioware has been doing has been working in terms of making money. The interactive story and dialog is an extra expense when it comes to making games that slows development time and production costs. This might very well cause Bioware to be another generic fantasy rpg studio.

Also, KoToREffect3, can I use your sig?

I've been uncomfortable with the review bombing and other tactics that the Retake group has been using, and supporting serious damage to Bioware finally crosses the line.

EA is the entire reason bioware has gone down the drain. they ruined dragon age 2 with short development time and they crippled Mass Effect 3's story with a short development time. The game was great with good story until the end. And there are a LOT of bugs in this game that bother me but i was willing to let that slide. You can tell when you play the game that a lot of great ideas were cut short but i was willing to forgive that for great story. Sadly the story was cut short as well. 

the game was great while Drew was around writing it. Bring Drew back to do the endings.

[Zeppex]

I got the hard copy CE, but I haven't thought about returning or anything like that. I got through Amazon. I am very upset about the endings, but it happens. I got Deus ex HR last year and the endings were **** too, but I kept the game cuz everything before the end was great.

[McBeath]

Vandicus wrote...

I've been uncomfortable with the review bombing and other tactics that the Retake group has been using, and supporting serious damage to Bioware finally crosses the line.

For the record I don't support hurting them, I do support the right of the consumer to get a refund when not satisfied by a product.

Frankly the gaming/entertainment industry is way behind others in holding up to thier marketing promises.

I'm holding on to mine hoping Bioware and EA will resolve the issue in a proper manner... though if somebody is truly unhappy they have every right for a refund.

Holding the Line.  McBeath.

[Sublyminal]

I wonder how much this is going to cost bioware in revenues. They have to refund Amazon every damn dime.

[GhostlyMaiden]

oh_saki wrote...

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

jb1983 wrote...

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

1337Goblin wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

People don't deserve refunds

People 'deserve' what they're entitled to. Whether or not the game before the ending was great.

I thought those who hated these endings weren't supposed to be entitled whiners. Are you now saying that you actually are entitled, but not whining?

Yes, we're entitled to it. We bought the ******* product, we're ******* entitled to what we want out of it. 

That's how a business works. 

Weird. I could have sworn the more rational members of the movement saying that they are only asking BioWare to change the ending, not demanding it. If the majority rule is that you are entitled and demanding, does that mean every article that has called you such is now correct?

I broke out my old Business Management textbook from college, and found this: 

Customers are often regarded as the MOST CRITICAL stakeholder group since if a company cannot attract them to buy its products, it cannot stay in business. Thus, managers and employees must work to increase efficiency and effectiveness in order to create loyal customers and attract new ones. They do so by selling customers quality products at a fair price and providing GOOD AFTER-SALES SERVICE. They can also strive to improve their products over time and provide GUARANTEES to customers about the INTEGRITY of their products. (Business Organization and Management, Mcgraw-Hill)

Certainly, with Bioware's history of games, they earned the right to provide guarantees that the ending would be exactly what Casey Hudson said it would be, unique endings dependent on your choices in the games, not a cookie-cutter A, B, C choice. And yet, that's exactly what they provided us, and completely went against what a college textbook explained is a company's most IMPORTANT stakeholder--us. So yes, as a stakeholder, I am entitled. And so are you, and everyone else who purchased this product. What's your point? 

Just clarifying. I lack social skills. I'm pretty much a neutral party in all this, so I have no particular bias.

[Lexagg]

Vandicus wrote...

This is getting a bit ridiculous. Despite its flaws Mass Effect 3 probably is and probably will remain better than 80% of the games that have been and will be released this year. It just goes to show that making a mediocre series and charging 60 bucks while staying within safe industry standards is a better business model than trying to be innovative and getting the player involved in the story. This makes me worried about both Bioware and the gaming industry.

No it shows that TREATING YOUR FANS LIKE **** doesn't work. I hope others learn too.

Modifié par Lexagg, 20 mars 2012 - 04:17 .

[Rocktel]

Sirartistic wrote...

I was and still am against the endings in some ways but I recently thought about the ending further and I longer hate it. Here is why. There is CLEAR evidence that Shepard is dreaming or perhaps being tested/indoctrinated.

This question will answer everything. As yourself, why would Shepard need to destroy the conduits to make the Crucible work? Since when does destroying something make something work?!?!?

Or how about space jumping into a beam and falling to your death??? How does that make the Crucible work??? Ask yourself these questions and you will see that it may not be poor writing after all...

Wrong. A plothole is not evidence of something else. A plothole is just a plothole.

[Vandicus]

detroitmechworks wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Have you guys seriously considered what this means? EA has been fairly hands off with Bioware because what Bioware has been doing has been working in terms of making money. The interactive story and dialog is an extra expense when it comes to making games that slows development time and production costs. This might very well cause Bioware to be another generic fantasy rpg studio.

Also, KoToREffect3, can I use your sig?

I've been uncomfortable with the review bombing and other tactics that the Retake group has been using, and supporting serious damage to Bioware finally crosses the line.

Hey look... world's smallest violin playing "my heart bleeds for you"...

There is a market for a well made RPG.  Always has been, always will be.  Bioware can choose to meet that need or rush crap out the door and call it ART.

So the attitude from the so-called "Retake" group is actually to get a refund, and torch any chance of Bioware ever making another game. And here I thought they were trying to make the situation better by giving constructive criticism about the ending to help Bioware improve, not try to kill the company. Well that's it folks, I'm going to join those folks who still want a simple better ending rather than destroy the company behind my favorite gaming series.

[Sublyminal]

Lexagg wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

This is getting a bit ridiculous. Despite its flaws Mass Effect 3 probably is and probably will remain better than 80% of the games that have been and will be released this year. It just goes to show that making a mediocre series and charging 60 bucks while staying within safe industry standards is a better business model than trying to be innovative and getting the player involved in the story. This makes me worried about both Bioware and the gaming industry.

No it shows that TREATING YOUR FANS LIKE **** doesn't work. I hope others learn too.

Fans made Bioware, it's time to take them down a notch. 

[Kloborgg711]

Vandicus wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Have you guys seriously considered what this means? EA has been fairly hands off with Bioware because what Bioware has been doing has been working in terms of making money. The interactive story and dialog is an extra expense when it comes to making games that slows development time and production costs. This might very well cause Bioware to be another generic fantasy rpg studio.

Also, KoToREffect3, can I use your sig?

I've been uncomfortable with the review bombing and other tactics that the Retake group has been using, and supporting serious damage to Bioware finally crosses the line.

Hey look... world's smallest violin playing "my heart bleeds for you"...

There is a market for a well made RPG.  Always has been, always will be.  Bioware can choose to meet that need or rush crap out the door and call it ART.

So the attitude from the so-called "Retake" group is actually to get a refund, and torch any chance of Bioware ever making another game. And here I thought they were trying to make the situation better by giving constructive criticism about the ending to help Bioware improve, not try to kill the company. Well that's it folks, I'm going to join those folks who still want a simple better ending rather than destroy the company behind my favorite gaming series.

Actually this "retake group" is an unorganized group of thousands, so sorry if you think you can judge all of us based on the actions of a handful of people. 

[Sublyminal]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Have you guys seriously considered what this means? EA has been fairly hands off with Bioware because what Bioware has been doing has been working in terms of making money. The interactive story and dialog is an extra expense when it comes to making games that slows development time and production costs. This might very well cause Bioware to be another generic fantasy rpg studio.

Also, KoToREffect3, can I use your sig?

I've been uncomfortable with the review bombing and other tactics that the Retake group has been using, and supporting serious damage to Bioware finally crosses the line.

Hey look... world's smallest violin playing "my heart bleeds for you"...

There is a market for a well made RPG.  Always has been, always will be.  Bioware can choose to meet that need or rush crap out the door and call it ART.

So the attitude from the so-called "Retake" group is actually to get a refund, and torch any chance of Bioware ever making another game. And here I thought they were trying to make the situation better by giving constructive criticism about the ending to help Bioware improve, not try to kill the company. Well that's it folks, I'm going to join those folks who still want a simple better ending rather than destroy the company behind my favorite gaming series.

Actually this "retake group" is an unorganized group of thousands, so sorry if you think you can judge all of us based on the actions of a handful of people. 

Isn't that what the media has been doing? 

[shnellegaming]

wow

[detroitmechworks]

Vandicus wrote...

So the attitude from the so-called "Retake" group is actually to get a refund, and torch any chance of Bioware ever making another game. And here I thought they were trying to make the situation better by giving constructive criticism about the ending to help Bioware improve, not try to kill the company. Well that's it folks, I'm going to join those folks who still want a simple better ending rather than destroy the company behind my favorite gaming series.

I'm not a Fan.  I'm a consumer.

Bioware has failed to provide the product they claimed three times in a row.

I have other options.  I will use them.  

I stated before that my patience has a limit.  If I COULD get a refund on my Origin purchase, I would.  

An ending DLC would change my mind for this game alone.  But other than that, Bioware's on it's own.

Spiderweb studios is doing a lot of rather innovative stuff with their old-school RPG's.

I believe I'll be giving them more money in the future.

[oh_saki]

Vandicus wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Have you guys seriously considered what this means? EA has been fairly hands off with Bioware because what Bioware has been doing has been working in terms of making money. The interactive story and dialog is an extra expense when it comes to making games that slows development time and production costs. This might very well cause Bioware to be another generic fantasy rpg studio.

Also, KoToREffect3, can I use your sig?

I've been uncomfortable with the review bombing and other tactics that the Retake group has been using, and supporting serious damage to Bioware finally crosses the line.

Hey look... world's smallest violin playing "my heart bleeds for you"...

There is a market for a well made RPG.  Always has been, always will be.  Bioware can choose to meet that need or rush crap out the door and call it ART.

So the attitude from the so-called "Retake" group is actually to get a refund, and torch any chance of Bioware ever making another game. And here I thought they were trying to make the situation better by giving constructive criticism about the ending to help Bioware improve, not try to kill the company. Well that's it folks, I'm going to join those folks who still want a simple better ending rather than destroy the company behind my favorite gaming series.

I fully support the group. I hated the endings. But I'm not returning my copy of ME3. I know a lot of people that may want to, but I'm not. Though I fully understand why they may want to. And honestly, I predict that the vast majority of people won't return their games. Just enough that this creates another blip on BW's radar. You don't have to freak out about it. Bioware won't burn in the embers of hell because a few people returned their copies of the game.

[Actinguy1]

This is GENIUS. Amazon eats 60 dollars per refund, give or take...and builds customer loyalty for life. THAT is how you do business, ladies and gentlemen!

[Mr Indivisible]

I do feel bad, they made such a great trilogy, only to screw it all up.

Hope lesson is learned

[Kinoru]

Sirartistic wrote...

I was and still am against the endings in some ways but I recently thought about the ending further and I longer hate it. Here is why. There is CLEAR evidence that Shepard is dreaming or perhaps being tested/indoctrinated.

This question will answer everything. As yourself, why would Shepard need to destroy the conduits to make the Crucible work? Since when does destroying something make something work?!?!?

Or how about space jumping into a beam and falling to your death??? How does that make the Crucible work??? Ask yourself these questions and you will see that it may not be poor writing after all...

But if Shepard is being indoctrinated or is dreaming where is our ending where we defeat or are defeated by the reapers? I understand the points given by the indoctrination theory but it in the end creates more issues than the actual ending we got.

[sydsyrious]

Wow.....just....wow. New Rule: Buy all future games from Amazon.

[bpzrn]

High Kicks wrote...

http://www.analoghyp...-mass-effect-3/

don't know if this has been shared yet, but dang o_O

This is great, I was going to sell mine to Game Stop at teh end of the month (I have never sold ME games in the past but ME3 I cant replay) I got my copy at Amazon - going back tomorow!

Best news since March 6th.

Modifié par bpzrn, 20 mars 2012 - 04:22 .

[Luigitornado]

Bioware won't lose money on this.

[SuperTeal]

Actinguy1 wrote...

This is GENIUS. Amazon eats 60 dollars per refund, give or take...and builds customer loyalty for life. THAT is how you do business, ladies and gentlemen!

I hadn't thought of it this way but that's a very good point.  Amazon probably see's this as a golden opportunity.  

[Jaysh]

That should say a lot to the people who are calling us whiners.

[Sublyminal]

Luigitornado wrote...

Bioware won't lose money on this.

Yea, they will... Amazon as a company has every right to get their money back.